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Nirumano
05-24-2009, 11:59 AM
Bah, they had to abuse my biggest weakness for the score achievements! :/ The strumming is just too fast to use down only, and still kinda weird for alt-strumming, I just can't get used to it. It's like that in both those songs, except fight fire with fire is more confusing with the open notes. Enter Sandman was ridicilously easy compared, even alot easier than it was in rock band. Almost fc'ed it on sightread.

The last song in "expert" career ("" because you can do 99% of career on beginner) is also a joke. So in this game there is 3-4 really hard achievements (imo, cos I cant sing or play drums for shit, and have that problem with slow alt strumming) and the rest far too easy. Wtb more mediocre achievements in a game, not just mind numbingly boring or hard ones.

I'm not a lifelong metallica fan, I mostly bought it because I loved GH3 and Rock Band, and some of the metallica songs grew on me. I had high hopes for this game, but it was kinda disappointing in most matters. The achievements are pretty much the same as in world tour, not really creative and kinda stupid. Would love if they made a guitar only game again, with battles and better achievements, but guess that's not gonna happen.

Sorry for the wall of text :D

Deleted2014-12-02
05-24-2009, 03:25 PM
Join me on the Dark Good Side. We have cookies... everyday.

Crimson Ridley
05-24-2009, 04:07 PM
If by the good side, Brown means Rock Band, then by all means try to go, but you won't be able to forget Guitar Hero... it's in your blood, you cannot leave!

If, however, he means go to Bass, then do not do it. Women like a man who can use his fingers well. A bassist will be out on a date, he'll tell her he can play Rock Band/Guitar Hero. She'll love this, but he does not tell her what he is, so he'll take her home and say let's play said game, and tell her that he'll play Expert and she'll be like "OMG I'm so horny for you now!" and then he picks bass and she'll just laugh at his inadequacy and leave.

It's how it always happens. If you tell her you'll play Expert Guitar and pick TTFAF, you won't be able to keep her off of you. :p

Note: None of that may be true, and in my experience, none of it has been. But, a bassist only moves his fingers every so often... a guitarist likes to explore all the time...

Boerke
05-26-2009, 06:28 AM
True, so true... But don't bassists have a longer one ;P

By no means am I an Expert on guitar, I simply do not have the time to practice the solo's (which usually kill me). I did get bass rather easily on expert.'

Have you tried upstrumming iso down? I manage to play fast strings of notes using two fingers with relative ease (do need a break every once in a while). Might take some practice and getting used to, but I find it easier in the off-beat sections.

Boerke

-= Real men don't eat honey, they chew on bees!!! =-

auburn fury
06-01-2009, 11:32 PM
So when did a post asking for help need to be turned into a story of innuendos? There was really no need.

All i can suggest is practice slower until you can get it and work up, it's gonna be work but it'll pay off when you hear that satisfying 'bleep' haha.
I've only tried it once and i think it should be okay, but just remember to nail the main riff and that triplet burst bit.

Also hyperspeed seems to help quite a lot of people when struggling with hard songs =) It's how i got through TTFAF the first time ;-) Hope i helped

GTukC
06-02-2009, 11:52 AM
So when did a post asking for help need to be turned into a story of innuendos? There was really no need.

Wow...Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today.

Thracian
06-02-2009, 11:57 AM
In regards to score achievements for all the songs ..I won't be going for them (apart from full band battery) as they annoy the hell out of me and make me not enjoy the game for what it is

Enter sandman I thought I was on course for 330K first time and screwed up the end part and got 317K..

Great achievements for experts, annoying for those who are good but not good enough

Lordvader178
06-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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D-U-D-D-U-D-D-D-D-U-D-D-D-D-UHH

That's how i do it. The riff for me is easily the hardest part of the song. I just got 598K (WHAT BULLSHIT CHOKES IN SOLO WTF NOT EVEN) using that, didn;t miss once.

Nirumano
06-02-2009, 12:50 PM
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D-U-D-D-U-D-D-D-D-U-D-D-D-D-UHH

That's how i do it. The riff for me is easily the hardest part of the song. I just got 598K (WHAT BULLSHIT CHOKES IN SOLO WTF NOT EVEN) using that, didn;t miss once.


It's that riff that's the hardest part of the song for me aswell yeah. I can fc it with down only, but I get too tired in my strumming arm to keep it up the entire song. So either I have to get my stamina up, or learn to do it in a less tiresome way. I might try your method.

As for FFWF, is it possible to fc it with consistent downstrum (abusing timing window like in triplets), or do you HAVE to learn the rhythm?

Xterm1n8or
06-02-2009, 12:50 PM
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D-U-D-D-U-D-D-D-D-U-D-D-D-D-UHH

That's how i do it. The riff for me is easily the hardest part of the song. I just got 598K (WHAT BULLSHIT CHOKES IN SOLO WTF NOT EVEN) using that, didn;t miss once.


I just downstrum it all, it's not that fast. But it does kill your arm of course.

PerpetualHeaven
06-02-2009, 02:08 PM
I downstrum it all and it doesn't kill my arm at all (serious masturbation skills, I know). haha anyways, my problem is that I overstrum using downstrum only. On my first try i got 440, then I improved to 480. I almost FC'd the entire solo, but I keep messing up the blue notes (in the riff). I keep overstrumming in that area. Sometimes I feel like I would get this before Raining Blood 5 star -.- Ha! I kid. Practice makes perfect though.

Xterm1n8or
06-02-2009, 05:04 PM
I downstrum it all and it doesn't kill my arm at all (serious masturbation skills, I know). haha anyways, my problem is that I overstrum using downstrum only. On my first try i got 440, then I improved to 480. I almost FC'd the entire solo, but I keep messing up the blue notes (in the riff). I keep overstrumming in that area. Sometimes I feel like I would get this before Raining Blood 5 star -.- Ha! I kid. Practice makes perfect though.

Haha I downstrum just about everything less than TTFAF Post Insanity speed. :eek:

I sometimes overstrum when downstrumming, but only when I am downstrumming really hard and the strum bar is a bit sweaty causing my thumb to slip off the strum bar which causes it to vibrate a bit and overstrum. If that's your problem to, relax your arm a bit and keep wiping the strum bar, pause on the long hold notes to do it in extreme circumstances lol.

CunningFox
06-02-2009, 05:44 PM
All the OP has complained about is the achievements which as far as I can remember is the not the most important factor of a game.
( It may well be the selling factor but not for me)

Nirumano
06-02-2009, 06:33 PM
All the OP has complained about is the achievements which as far as I can remember is the not the most important factor of a game.
( It may well be the selling factor but not for me)

Seeing as the gameplay is very very similar in most GH games, with a few exceptions, achievements is an important factor in the new ones imo. They could just as well make more dlc instead of new games all the time, if it wasn't for the achievements. And this side is purely made for discussing achievements. :p

Other than that, I agree with you that achievements isn't the only reason to buy a game.

Rooster425
06-02-2009, 07:53 PM
They put the Enter Sandman one in there simply so people could, with some level of skill, get at least one score achievement. I can't even beat Raining Blood on Expert, but I was still able to get Enter Sandman, and I'm grateful for it. It gives the semblance of balanced achievements for the giveaways and the dick moves.

Tenacious
06-06-2009, 12:50 AM
Just got Creeping Death on my sightread run after 3 months of not playing GH:M :D I'm so happy.

I entirely downstrummed most of the song, except for the part where it's..

G-G-YB G-G-YB G-G-R-R-R-R-R-R-R

I tried altstrumming and it didn't work for me. I FC'ed every part of the riff in the song, I only missed a few notes in the solo. @OP, I've been working out recently and my arms have gotten stronger so I guess that's part of it.. I'm not suggesting anything but maybe try doing some arm exercises.

Captain and 7
06-06-2009, 02:43 AM
I have to downstrum the riff in Creeping Death. I practiced that for about 5 minutes and and then gave the slider solo at the end a few looks at a slower speed for about 10 minutes. I then just started to run the song and finally got the achievement after about 10 tries.

I downstrum as much as possible so I have pretty good stamina built up from that. When I finally got the achievement (580k) I missed only 7 notes and 6 were in the first solo and one at the very end during the slider solo. I completely FC'd the riffs....so if you miss a note in the riffs or miss a starpower then I would restart.

Coadster1
06-06-2009, 02:50 AM
Yeah, I'm not a fan of score achievements either. They tend to get on my nerve sometimes.

thelakin
06-07-2009, 06:12 PM
So when did a post asking for help need to be turned into a story of innuendos? There was really no need.

shut the f*** up and have a laugh mate

NightListenerUK
06-08-2009, 02:09 PM
shut the f*** up and have a laugh mate

How dare you just enter someone's thread at random and tell them to shut the f up. Shut the f up yourself you arrogant little s**t

peeveen
06-08-2009, 04:02 PM
Creeping Death ain't too fast for down-strumming. I've down-strummed the main verses 100% ...

525K so far, I can't play the solo's for shit tho. :)

Nirumano
06-08-2009, 11:23 PM
Creeping Death ain't too fast for down-strumming. I've down-strummed the main verses 100% ...

525K so far, I can't play the solo's for shit tho. :)

I only missed 2-3 notes in the solo on sightread, but still only got like 450k :p Missed alot in the main riff thing. Sometimes I overstrum, and sometimes too slow, hard to tell really. I have never been a very consistent strummer. :/ And about the arm stamina: Simply playing gh alot will also improve my stamina, I was able to downstrum the whole song in NoTB like 10 months ago (I think that's pretty similar speed), just haven't been playing much lately.

I'm trying not to take the achievements too seriously, but then I just end up not playing the game at all. :p It's just not fun when I don't have a goal to play for, or when I don't improve even after lots of practice (like in raining blood, I only get worse and worse at that song the more I play it).

Dazz
06-09-2009, 01:38 AM
Irritates me too, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who can actually play these with ease on a real guitar yet gets frustrated trying to get the scores in game.

Best I did on Enter Sandman was 181,000 or something just over on Hard, these songs....forget it.

PerpetualHeaven
06-09-2009, 06:33 PM
Just got Creeping Death on my sightread run after 3 months of not playing GH:M :D I'm so happy.

I entirely downstrummed most of the song, except for the part where it's..

G-G-YB G-G-YB G-G-R-R-R-R-R-R-R

I tried altstrumming and it didn't work for me. I FC'ed every part of the riff in the song, I only missed a few notes in the solo. @OP, I've been working out recently and my arms have gotten stronger so I guess that's part of it.. I'm not suggesting anything but maybe try doing some arm exercises.

I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of people's fingers, forearms, etc tire out before they can achieve anything. I forget which PC Gamer it was, but he said lifted weights 3-4 times a week and did cardio almost everyday. He said that's part of his success (he was the best PC gamer in Unreal, I think, around 5-6 years ago). Plus, mental clarity and energy are generally much higher in people who work out.

Crimson Ridley
06-10-2009, 02:04 PM
I hd to downstrum the whole thing, because the rhythm is so hard. I'm telling ya, my left arm will the size of a trunk soon, while my right arm stays the size of a twig. I'd look like a freaking mutant! (More of one anyway...)

Gorjira
06-10-2009, 08:15 PM
I've been down strumming my entire Guitar hero life, and songs like these, and Master of Puppets, continue to kill my hand! I'll try the tips mentioned above, thanks guys :)

ILoveAztecChick
06-11-2009, 01:38 AM
I wouldn't be surprised. A lot of people's fingers, forearms, etc tire out before they can achieve anything. I forget which PC Gamer it was, but he said lifted weights 3-4 times a week and did cardio almost everyday. He said that's part of his success (he was the best PC gamer in Unreal, I think, around 5-6 years ago). Plus, mental clarity and energy are generally much higher in people who work out.

As you play more you also learn how to be more relaxed though. When you're a newbie and can't react fast enough you tend to use more unnecessary strength. I'm a super weakling who hasn't exercised in five years (no exaggeration) and I don't tire at all when strumming fast.

Lordvader178
06-11-2009, 07:39 AM
I have FFWF and CD, and i am THE MOST UNFIT person you will ever meet. Seriously, yesterday i tried to climb onto a roof, and i STILL needed help up.

It's not really about muscle strength because i have none of that. It's more about getting into the moment and forgetting what your hitting, because your hands will do the work for you.

BrAin PuNch3r
06-12-2009, 09:36 PM
I just wish they would make the song score achievements for all instruments...

but make each instrument have its own score i.e.

guitar: 350k
bass:250k
drums:450k
vocals:70k

....or however activision would do it