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Psycho Chickan
08-02-2009, 11:21 PM
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The first tier is complete so now it's time for the winners of the first matches to face off.

The second fight in this tier features two characters with origins not in the video game arena. Annakin Skywalker vs James "Logan" Howlett. I don't think either of them need any introduction so let's just get on with it. Remember this is a vs fight so it's basically who would win in a roughly 90 second, 3 round face off :)

Winner decided after 1 weeks polling.

Click here for more information on Darth Vader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Vader)

Click here for more information on Wolverine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(comics))

For information on the battle structure and results of other face offs visit
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=150344 (http://[URL]http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=150344)

Pheonix_Assassin
08-02-2009, 11:24 PM
Darth Vader =)

He would force grip Wolverine so he is powerless and then probally fry him with Force lighting =)

But since Wolverine is almost invincible, it would be a hard one maybe a tie i would say =)

Psycho Chickan
08-03-2009, 12:15 AM
Darth Vader =)
But since Wolverine is almost invincible, it would be a hard one maybe a tie i would say =)

Don't forget it's a vs fight not an ongoing fight to the death. Usually that means 1 vs 1 and a set time limit.

That said I still reckon Wolverine will own almost anyone :)

Darth Grif55
08-03-2009, 12:16 AM
I love both but Wolverine would eventually win, but he'd get his ass handed to him.

Dz06lt
08-03-2009, 12:21 AM
i voted darth vader im thinking the force powers followed by a light saber slash very well would cut him to pieces. Im thinking that even adamatium wouldnt stand up to a light sabre

Armoxial
08-03-2009, 12:50 AM
Love both of these characters but that being said I'm rolling with Vader. He's just way too powerful, especially with the light saber.

lazyslothboy
08-03-2009, 01:35 AM
I'm going to have to go with Darth Vader. His lightsaber and force powers seem like they would overpower wolverine's speedy regeneration. The saber could also probably tear right through those claws too.

Dz06lt
08-03-2009, 01:39 AM
yeah vader on the combach trail

Pirate
08-03-2009, 01:44 AM
Lord Vader= Master of the Dark Side

Wolverine= Master of..... facial hair?

Regardless, Vader gets my vote.

Edit: Btw, the link doesn't work for all previous battles....

Xodiac8118
08-03-2009, 01:48 AM
Darth Vader would pwn simply because of the Force and Light Sabre. Force Crush his throat and lop off his head with the Sabre... Seems pretty dead to me.

Louis BCFC1875
08-03-2009, 01:51 AM
Darth Vader without a doubt, he would tottally rape Wolverine.

WiKdXxHEFTRZ6xX
08-03-2009, 01:52 AM
darth vader all the way! he has the force...wolf boy cant stop that lol

VladimirK
08-03-2009, 01:54 AM
Like Wolverine, but have to go for Vader.

Vader could probably crush Wolverine's skeleton like an aluminium can.

A Satyr
08-03-2009, 02:26 AM
I'd like to see wolverine come back from getting sliced in half by a lightsaber

Coadster1
08-03-2009, 02:30 AM
Darth Vader hands down. He could just force choke him.

XxBlueSpade2xX
08-03-2009, 02:35 AM
Vader, Wolvie couldn't get close enough to him to do any damage.

Jedi/Sith>Every comic book character.

KFZ Scrubs
08-03-2009, 02:39 AM
Don't forget it's a vs fight not an ongoing fight to the death. Usually that means 1 vs 1 and a set time limit.

That said I still reckon Wolverine will own almost anyone :)
Then that'd mean that Darth Vader would just force choke Wolverine for like 30 minutes or however long the time limit is.
My money is on Darth Vader

Darth Odan
08-03-2009, 03:12 AM
Darth Vader would kick Wolverine's ass.

Hudson888
08-03-2009, 08:15 AM
Well seeing as Wolverine is pretty much invinceble i would say Wolverine would win.

v SnOwMaN v
08-03-2009, 08:22 AM
Darth Vader could just use force grip and rip wolverine apart.

HellzDream
08-03-2009, 11:19 AM
Darth Vader could just shock Wolverine couldn't he? Because Wolverine would conduct electricity?

Kamakazi Pear
08-03-2009, 11:30 AM
Darth Vader. I like Wolverine more, but Vader could just Force Choke Wolverine for the whole battle and Wolverine wouldn't even get an attack in there. :p TBH, Force Choke + Force Lightning + Light Sabre = Owned.

Cacky
08-03-2009, 11:32 AM
Darth Vader because I like his cape. :p

Pheonix_Assassin
08-03-2009, 11:36 AM
Don't forget it's a vs fight not an ongoing fight to the death. Usually that means 1 vs 1 and a set time limit.

That said I still reckon Wolverine will own almost anyone :)

Ooooo that is alot easier to judge then =)

Darth Vader easily, Force Grip and then Lighting.

Maybe Jedi Mind control as well lol so wolverine could do a funny dance lol

ElliotRobinson
08-03-2009, 02:58 PM
No contest

Vader would own - simple as

*Also, is it not a bit unfair that Vader gets two chances to win this thing seeing as he and Anakin Skywalker (who is in the next face off) are the same person? :P

ThaFireman
08-03-2009, 03:11 PM
Darth Vader before the prequels. All you knew was that he was just pure evil, but with the prequels you find out he is a whinny emo kid.

Vandit96
08-03-2009, 05:29 PM
Darth Vader !!
Wolwy has no chance against him :uzi::uzi::uzi:

L Demonic I
08-03-2009, 05:37 PM
Darth vader would win. Wolverine would get handled.

Gackt
08-03-2009, 05:44 PM
Vader for sure, wolverine has nothing to combat force powers and or a light saber.

austin rules
08-03-2009, 05:46 PM
Wolverine cant do shit. i dont think he can heal himself from beheading...

Pheonix_Assassin
08-03-2009, 05:48 PM
Wolverine cant do shit. i dont think he can heal himself from beheading...

Thats very true =)

This was noted in the "X-Men Origins" film =)

Psycho Chickan
08-03-2009, 09:31 PM
Edit: Btw, the link doesn't work for all previous battles....

Thanks, all fixed now. Added one too many URL tags :)

*Also, is it not a bit unfair that Vader gets two chances to win this thing seeing as he and Anakin Skywalker (who is in the next face off) are the same person? :P

Iz confused. Why does Vader get two chances? annakin Skywalker isn't in the next face off. Next one is a really dumb one with Minty up against Solid Snake

elephantd
08-03-2009, 09:52 PM
go Wolverine!

V Power Slave V
08-04-2009, 12:00 AM
Darth Vader would defeat Wolverine easily!

No matter what Wolverine tried Vader could just slice him with his saber or just force choke him.

There is no escape from The Force!!!

ElliotRobinson
08-04-2009, 04:50 PM
Ah right I am on to it now...

This is Anakin Skwalker's face-off (I thought that the next face-off was being mentioned - not this one)

Scratch everything I said :)

Sith_Lords
08-04-2009, 06:34 PM
Wolverine may be invincible, but if his head is cut off, he's screwed. And a lightsaber can cut through metal... Wolverine is owned.

Pheonix_Assassin
08-04-2009, 06:48 PM
Wolverine may be invincible, but if his head is cut off, he's screwed. And a lightsaber can cut through metal... Wolverine is owned.

Thats true =)

But i know that in the Star Wars saga there i one metal that is Lightsaber proof but im not sure what its called =)

bobbowski
08-04-2009, 07:28 PM
Thats true =)

But i know that in the Star Wars saga there i one metal that is Lightsaber proof but im not sure what its called =)

True. Mandalorian iron is resistent to lightsaber attack, found in Mandalorian armor, when it was properly used. Of which, I don't believe Wolverine has any of. And even if he did it would be of no use to him as Vadar with the force still wins easily. Unless of course he could get his hands on an ysalamir, then it could get interesting.

Pheonix_Assassin
08-04-2009, 07:45 PM
True. Mandalorian iron is resistent to lightsaber attack, found in Mandalorian armor, when it was properly used. Of which, I don't believe Wolverine has any of. And even if he did it would be of no use to him as Vadar with the force still wins easily. Unless of course he could get his hands on an ysalamir, then it could get interesting.

Thats the metal :D

And nope Wolverine has none of that on his Skeleton only adamantium.

Sizzlebuzz
08-04-2009, 08:19 PM
Wolverine hands down. He's much faster than Darth vader, and Darth vader can't use the "force" and a saber at the same time. You have to remember, Darth vader is a burnt up cookie. He can't jump around like he did in the first 3.

Darth Vader is a human, Wolverine is a mutant with regeneration powers. Wolverine would take vader's hand off before he could even swing his light saber.

Besides, I'm not so sure a lightsaber can go through adamantium. Show me some proof? They have trouble going through regular metal doors.

Even if Vader were to hit wolverine, the light saber would not go through instantly as it would flesh. Wolverine has a skeleton made up of the hardest metal known to "man". He may be able to hit wolverine, but wolvering would kill Vader far before he got a second or third swing.

Most of you aren't taking into account how weak a lightsaber is against anything besides flesh and are playing with your own lightsabers while thinking about how cool vader is.


I mean, think about how many Marvel villians there are that could totally poop all over darth vader, and the wolverine has beat most of them.

And what is vader's record? 0 for 2 pretty much?

bobbowski
08-04-2009, 08:48 PM
You clearly are not a Star Wars fan and have little knowledge of how the characters, specifically force sensitive characters, are in that universe. Vader would have little problem disposing of Wolverine or any other mutant for that matter with or without a lightsaber. Vader would be able to use the force to do anything he pleased with Wolverine, which includes suspending him in air and and choking him until all life left him.
I would be willing to bet that a lightsaber would cut through the adamanium as well. No proof as this is a completely fictional discussion. But a lightsaber has the ability to cut clean through any metal in the SW Universe, except Mandalorian iron, which has to be folded multiple times to be strong enough to survive. You mention that a lightsaber has trouble cutting through metal, what are you talking about? The movies? When the Jedi are trying to cut a hole through a 12" thick door? Every single droid that comes in contact with a saber is cut down immediately. With or without the saber, the battle doesn't last long. Vader has the ability to control the force, which gives him the ability to control Wolverine. And actually Vader's record is far better than 0-2. You are not taking into account the hundreds of jedi he slayed as part of Order 66. Or those he hunted between Episode III & IV. Or any of the destruction he caused from Episode III on.

Sizzlebuzz
08-04-2009, 09:00 PM
The exact same could be said of you pal. You aren't a Marvel fan and know very little of marvel characters.

There are hundreds of marvel characters more powerful than Vader. Hell, I could list 10 Marvel characters that could kill vader in an instant without even trying.

You're basically saying very little except that you think star wars is the total shit. Which is what these polls are anymore. Nobody takes into account anything except who they like more.

No, I'm not a vader fan, as for wolverine, I would say I like him more. But not to an extraordinary amount. They are both pretty much the same to me.

I tell you what, you go ahead and live your force sensative Jedi fantasy, and I'll just put my vote in for wolverine.

All hail the Light Saber.

Also, alot of metal is folded multiple times. Especially when making things. I don't think it being folded is what makes it strong. Adamantium however, is the strongest metal known to man in the marvel universe, which I am willing to bet is stronger or as strong as anything in the star wars universe. But since there is no real way to compare fictional metals, how can you think he can cut through one and not the other?

Anyway, I'm done having this retarded little argument with you. You're only argument is that one fake metal is stronger than another fake metal. And that one fake weapon is stronger than another fake weapon. And that you're a huge Star Wars Fan.

Also, never in any movie do I remember Vader controlling anyone. I remember him threatening people. But not controlling anyone.

All I know, is that Darth vader isn't that great on Soul Caliber. Yoda is much better. And no, I've never played the Force Unleashed.

bobbowski
08-04-2009, 09:11 PM
Ah, here you are wrong my x360a friend. I am a fan of Marvel. I won't go so far as to say I have as great of knowledge of that universe but I still do enjoy it very much. And Wolverine happens to be my favorite mutant and I am not a fan of Vader, there are many more Sith Lords that would trump him. I am however a pretty smart person and can understand what, in the SW Universe, the force is and how jedi are able to do the things they do. Based on that knowledge, with or without the lightsaber since you do make the point about adamanium being the toughest in that universe, I still know with his ability to control the force Vader would dominate Wolverine in a battle.

DarkTharen
08-04-2009, 09:14 PM
Darth Vader.

1.The Force 2. Lightsaber

I havent seen anything that a lightsaber couldnt cut through.

Danteveli
08-04-2009, 09:23 PM
vader would be ownede by wolverine one slash thru his computer supporting stuff and its over plus without lightsabre he cant do thing to james

Sizzlebuzz
08-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Ah, here you are wrong my x360a friend. I am a fan of Marvel. I won't go so far as to say I have as great of knowledge of that universe but I still do enjoy it very much. And Wolverine happens to be my favorite mutant and I am not a fan of Vader, there are many more Sith Lords that would trump him. I am however a pretty smart person and can understand what, in the SW Universe, the force is and how jedi are able to do the things they do. Based on that knowledge, with or without the lightsaber since you do make the point about adamanium being the toughest in that universe, I still know with his ability to control the force Vader would dominate Wolverine in a battle.

How? By dropping stuff on him? Throwing him around? I'm sure Vader would tire long before Wolverine would die. He can't use the force forever.

And Wolverine's regeneration can be pretty instant. At least for movie purposes.

bobbowski
08-04-2009, 10:25 PM
Well to end this particular argument that is all he would need to do. This face-off mentions only doing 3 rounds for a minimal amount of time. In which case keeping Wolverine at bay would be plenty to win the battle. Still think a force choke would finish the battle off right away though. Not sure how you can regenerate without any air to breath.

Psycho Chickan
08-04-2009, 10:39 PM
.... And no, I've never played the Force Unleashed.

You should give it a shot mate. About $30AU now and well worth the money. A little repetetive but plenty of combos and a great platform/button masher if you're into that sort of thing :)

Sizzlebuzz
08-04-2009, 10:47 PM
Well to end this particular argument that is all he would need to do. This face-off mentions only doing 3 rounds for a minimal amount of time. In which case keeping Wolverine at bay would be plenty to win the battle. Still think a force choke would finish the battle off right away though. Not sure how you can regenerate without any air to breath.

I don't think so. And anyway, I don't think Darth vader could use "the force" for more than a few minutes. Wasn't that a big thing in the first 3 movies? About the force not being able to be over used. It takes a lot out of them.

As for choking wolverine, I don't know. But what kind of pussy goes around choking people anyway? Seems pretty stupid. if that's how you want to run this, just make Darth Vader win the whole rest of the competition right away.

And I don't think Wolverine can die. Being he is over 100 years old. Choking him and crushing his throat making him unable to breath would work as long as he is doing it. But once it's done, it would regenerate. As would anything damaged due to loss of air?


You should give it a shot mate. About $30AU now and well worth the money. A little repetetive but plenty of combos and a great platform/button masher if you're into that sort of thing :)

I enjoy hack and slash games. This game would probably be fun. Currently I have very little money to spend on games though.

bobbowski
08-04-2009, 11:37 PM
I don't think so. And anyway, I don't think Darth vader could use "the force" for more than a few minutes. Wasn't that a big thing in the first 3 movies? About the force not being able to be over used. It takes a lot out of them.

As for choking wolverine, I don't know. But what kind of pussy goes around choking people anyway? Seems pretty stupid. if that's how you want to run this, just make Darth Vader win the whole rest of the competition right away.

And I don't think Wolverine can die. Being he is over 100 years old. Choking him and crushing his throat making him unable to breath would work as long as he is doing it. But once it's done, it would regenerate. As would anything damaged due to loss of air?


The force being overused as part of the movies??? There is no point in continuing this. You can come up with no argument that has any knowledge behind it and as such we will continue to go around in circles.

But before I go, I would like you to rethink your who goes around choking people statement. You must not be familiar with MMA. Many world class fighters go around choking people. Don't think you would fair to well calling them all pussies for choking people out:)

My only question would be is if Wolverine was unable to breath for some underdetermined amount of time and essentially flatlined(for this purpose oxygen stopped getting to his brain completely and his heart stopped), would his regenerative powers still save him? Anyone know the answer to this?

o0 TommyGuns 0o
08-04-2009, 11:48 PM
vader got my vote

ToasterBread
08-04-2009, 11:58 PM
Wolverine for me.

Psycho Chickan
08-05-2009, 12:26 AM
Ok, geek fan time :)

Wolverine can die as listed on his Marvel page


Despite the extent of his healing factor, Wolverine is not immortal. If the injuries are extensive enough, especially if they result in the loss of vital organs, large amounts of blood, and/or loss of physical form, such as having flesh burned away by fire or acid, Wolverine can die.


To look at the fight objectively...well, as objectively as can be done with fiictional characters :)

3-5 rounds of about 90 seconds each.
Battle ends when one person is KO or the timer runs out.

Darth Vader


Skills

Lightsaber, single blade. Normal sword attacks. Can cut thru almost anything
Lightsaber, single blade. Thrown (ranged) attacks.
Force shield (encases in a brief barrier "pushing" all nearby objects/people away. Force dependant on closeness)
Force push. Like Ryu's hadoken but causes minor damage and pushes opponent accross room.
Force grab. Grab people or objects and throw them across room or into other objects. (This includes the choke skill)
Force Lightning. Um... lightning attack
Weakness

Very limited natural defence. If opponent gets past light saber/force defences and lands an attack damage would be considerable
Limited agility
Health relies on robotic body/components
Wolverine


Skills

Trained assassin.
Weapons, electronics and explosives expert
Master of hand to hand combat
Adamantum skeleton means he can withstand significant force without suffering damage and gives him power to excert force of hundreds of pounds.
Advanced Regenerative powers means that all damage heals quickly
Claw weapons can cut thru almost anything
Weakness

No ranged attacks
No ability to counter force attacks.
I've probably missed heaps as I'm sure people will point out (feel free to add :)).

With this in mind I still think Wolverine would win. From what I have seen in movies/books/games Darth Vader's "force" powers cannot be maintained perpetually meaning he must tire or regenerate the power. During this time he would be restricted to lightsaber attacks. That said if he could do enough damage to wolverine to weaken him he could probably go and chop him up with his lightsaber and end it that way.

With Wolverine's ability to take a pounding and quickly regerate from damage suffered I think he would win in the end. He also has speed and agility on his side meaning he would probably be able to dodge most of Vader's standard attacks.

I agree with whoever said it earlier, there's no way of knowing who would win as both are fictional in completetely separate universes. Fun to see what everyone thinks tho :)

<sigh> better get back to work now eh!?

Dz06lt
08-05-2009, 12:46 AM
No contest

Vader would own - simple as

*Also, is it not a bit unfair that Vader gets two chances to win this thing seeing as he and Anakin Skywalker (who is in the next face off) are the same person? :P


thanks for not using spoiler tags man!! :mad::mad::mad:
















naaa J/k :p

Sizzlebuzz
08-05-2009, 01:04 AM
I don't think so. And anyway, I don't think Darth vader could use "the force" for more than a few minutes. Wasn't that a big thing in the first 3 movies? About the force not being able to be over used. It takes a lot out of them.

As for choking wolverine, I don't know. But what kind of person goes around choking people anyway? Seems pretty stupid. if that's how you want to run this, just make Darth Vader win the whole rest of the competition right away.

And I don't think Wolverine can die. Being he is over 100 years old. Choking him and crushing his throat making him unable to breath would work as long as he is doing it. But once it's done, it would regenerate. As would anything damaged due to loss of air?


The force being overused as part of the movies??? There is no point in continuing this. You can come up with no argument that has any knowledge behind it and as such we will continue to go around in circles.

But before I go, I would like you to rethink your who goes around choking people statement. You must not be familiar with MMA. Many world class fighters go around choking people. Don't think you would fair to well calling them all pussies for choking people out:)

My only question would be is if Wolverine was unable to breath for some underdetermined amount of time and essentially flatlined(for this purpose oxygen stopped getting to his brain completely and his heart stopped), would his regenerative powers still save him? Anyone know the answer to this?

You misread many things I typed. I said in the movies, characters tired out after using the force for a few minutes.

And this isn't about MMA. Let me bring real life into a conversation about fiction okay? My statement was that VADER would win BECAUSE HE CAN FORCE CHOKE EVERYONE! You misread that too. Or rather, read too much into it.

As for the last one, someone below answered it.

You took a completely un-offensive series of statements by me and took them offensively. Congratz.

Dz06lt
08-05-2009, 01:20 AM
never have i seen any "force burnout" in any of the movies like games have

Sith_Lords
08-05-2009, 01:24 AM
Can't remember which post to quote, but Mandalorian Iron or Beskar is one of a few naturauly occuring metals in the Star Wars universe which is resistant to lightsabers, found exclusively on Mandolre, and introduced (to much controversy) by Karen Traviss. Another, more common, lightsaber resistant element is cortosis ore, which can be woven into armour, or walls to defend against lightsaber attacks. This was used by Reborn troops in Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast, and to protect The Hand of Thrawn in the epoponymous duology.

Other lightsaber resistant materials/techniques, some temporarily, include:


Yuuzhan Vong amphistaffs (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Amphistaff)
Armorweave (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Armorweave)
Darksword (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darksword)
Force Weapon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_Weapon)
Neuranium (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Neuranium)
Orbalisk (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Orbalisks)
Phrik (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Phrik)
Sith Alchemy (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Alchemy)
Ultrachrome (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ultrachrome)

Not that this has any relevance on this discussion, just thought some of you may find this interesting...

EDIT: In response to tiredness after prolonged force use, the only time we see this in real effect is at the end of Attack of the Clones, where Yoda is exhausted after lifting the pillar from above Anakin and Obi-Wan. They cannot use it due to being intense pain, and hence being unable to concentrate enough. Depending on how open one is to the force there is nothing stopping from using it indefinitely, this is seen numerous times throughout the Expanded Universe, Anakin Skywalker and Ganner Rhysode being two examples. In the games you can only use so many force powers at once, before tiring due to balancing issues... It depends if your working on G-Level or C-Level canon (The movies/George Lucas himself, or the books.) So basically this was more useless information. Sorry!

At the end of the day remember its just a versus!

Psycho Chickan
08-05-2009, 01:40 AM
thanks for not using spoiler tags man!! :mad::mad::mad:


ROFL, nice.

never have i seen any "force burnout" in any of the movies like games have

Well this is a games site. I'd just assume that any concept introduced in the character's licensed universe would be viable.

Besides which Luke get's all worn out trying to lift that spaceship on Dagobah (dunno how to spell it). Luke's a wimp tho, aint got nothing on Vader in his heyday or even Starkiller!

Sizzlebuzz
08-05-2009, 01:49 AM
At the end of the day remember its just a versus!

I'm just angry at the fact that, as we were weening our way out of an argument, he takes us right back in by misreading what's typed. And then implies that I'm stupid and have no real arguments (which I wasn't even trying to do), and then brings MMA into it himself.

What a winner.

And there are several parts in the movies where Jedi get tired from the force when there are actual scenes where there is a battle for more than a few minutes. Which is very little, but goes to show that they do.

Not to mention darth sidious getting all old and such for using it too long.

Dz06lt
08-05-2009, 01:59 AM
the emporer didnt get old from using it too long, windu deflected the force lightning back onto him which disfigured him

Sith_Lords
08-05-2009, 02:01 AM
I'm just angry at the fact that, as we were weening our way out of an argument, he takes us right back in by misreading what's typed. And then implies that I'm stupid and have no real arguments (which I wasn't even trying to do), and then brings MMA into it himself.

What a winner.

And there are several parts in the movies where Jedi get tired from the force when there are actual scenes where there is a battle for more than a few minutes. Which is very little, but goes to show that they do.

Not to mention darth sidious getting all old and such for using it too long.

The physical extertion can be explained, but (in the EU at least), the froce can rejuvinate muscles. Sidious's wrinkles are explained due to his overstretch of the force, for a good read, if you are interested, try the Thrawn Trilogy, by Timothy Zahn, the first ever published EU novels. These heavily hint towards Sidious' aging being from excessive use of the force; he used his powers in a similar manner to Battle Meditation.

Again, this is all irrelevent, I'm just letting out my inner geek!

EDIT: the emporer didnt get old from using it too long, windu deflected the force lightning back onto him which disfigured him

Again its all Canon... G-Canon and C-Canon

Revenge of the Sith, (and the tie-in novel) reveals that the Emperor deliberately scarred himself to show the galaxy the result of the Jedi's "assassination attempt" as well as try to look like he was weak, and being destroyed by Mace Windu, in order to provoke Anakin into attacking.

Seeing as the above was in the movie, this is the official explanation, but its some interesting food for thought. For those who may be interested, The Revenge of theSith Novel, by Matt Stover, is the best Star Wars book ever written, ever. And it can be picked for less than a fiver in most places!

Sizzlebuzz
08-05-2009, 02:46 AM
the emporer didnt get old from using it too long, windu deflected the force lightning back onto him which disfigured him

Meh. He just wanted to be all wrinkly like yoda. Wannabe.

bobbowski
08-05-2009, 03:14 AM
You are completely retarded and misread many things I typed. I said in the movies, characters tired out after using the force for a few minutes. You are retarded for not reading that correctly. Completely and utterly retarded.

And this isn't about MMA. This is about some force choke fake bullshit you retard. Let me bring real life into a conversation about fiction okay? My statement was that VADER would win BECAUSE HE CAN FORCE CHOKE EVERYONE LIKE A BIG VAGINA! You are retarded for misreading that too. Or rather, reading too much into it.

As for the last one, someone below answered it.

You took a completely un-offensive series of statements by me and took them offensively. Congratz. I hope you feel smart. You huge loser.

We were just having a discussion and you made it personal with the immature name calling. It was quite obvious to me that you had little knowledge of the SW EU and did not care to listen as I attempted to explain things to you. I said as much and still stand by that. You clearly either didn't understand the movies or saw only what you wanted. Both of which are fine but you brought the movies into the discussion, so one would hope if you were to bring something into a discussion you would have a working knowledge of it. Force users do not have to "recharge" unless they have a physical disability (age/injury) where it is hard for them to concentrate for long periods of time or possibl some huge feat, commanding an entire battle or bringing down a star destroyer.

Vader's signature move in the movies was his force choke. It is a very viable weapon and one which allowed him to destroy many opponents. You had no argument as to how Wolverine would deal with it, so you called him a pussy for using it. That is childish, can't come up with an explanation and so you just start mouthing off.

I took no offense by anything you wrote until you personally attacked me in this post and through the PM you sent me. I enjoy having debates with people. I'll argue anything with anybody, sometimes just to do it. But it is much funner to debate with someone who can actually debate with some type of fact, even if that fact is based in a fictional world, and not debate with such childish remarks as "I don't have a better comeback, so you suck and are retarded, and you are wrong because I said so."

One last thing, I don't own any action figures, so no late night wth boba. I enjoy reading and have read a couple of the star wars novels.

To the x360a community, I apologize for being part of the hijacking of this thread. That wasn't my attention and I have no intention of posting in here again unless I have something constructive to add to the topic at hand.

Sith_Lords, nice information there. Didn't realize there were so many other things resistent. Forgot all about orbalisks though.

Porpoise King
08-05-2009, 03:55 AM
Psh, we all know wolverine would tear vader to bits!

Hitchman
08-05-2009, 06:18 AM
even if vader wouldnt win in a fist fight, he could just force grip him so hard that he would not be able to breathe.

Psycho Chickan
08-05-2009, 06:46 AM
Sizzlebuzz, bobowski..... do I have to separate you two and put you in the naughty corner? Now shake uncontrollably and make up :)

On a side note: the actual result of this fight was that sack boy ran in and killed em both... not sure how as he has no skillz but at least you couldn't choke him as he's full of fluff and doesn't actually breath!

http://lilmissknits.blogware.com/Miscellaneous/LittleBigPlanet_SackBoy.jpg

Waggaz
08-05-2009, 06:51 AM
Wolverine would rip lil sack boy up. xD

KNUCKS x360a
08-05-2009, 06:54 AM
I'm with Vader on this one!!

He'd slice off those Claws, Force Crush that adamantium skeleton - And fling ol' Wolvey out the airlock into space! :(

jason86586
08-05-2009, 07:32 AM
Nothing beats a sith!!!

Kamaro
08-05-2009, 10:55 AM
Vader would win

Sniper JZA80
08-05-2009, 11:10 AM
Vader baby!

N-Forced
08-05-2009, 11:19 AM
Vader gets my vote since there is no way in hell wolverine could beat him.

MCDime2
08-05-2009, 01:13 PM
Go Sackboy!!!

Pheonix_Assassin
08-05-2009, 01:25 PM
I have seen that Kit Fisto who was part of the Mace Windu team to arrest Sidious is shown to be hit by Sidious lightsaber but his body is never shown like the others which makes me think Kit Fisto is still alive =)

Sith_Lords
08-05-2009, 01:35 PM
I have seen that Kit Fisto who was part of the Mace Windu team to arrest Sidious is shown to be hit by Sidious lightsaber but his body is never shown like the others which makes me think Kit Fisto is still alive =)

Unfortunately this is not true, Kit was beheaded by Palpatine, I can't remeber if this was in ROTS, but this is a quote from the novel:

On Palpatine's desk lay the head opf Kit Fisto, faceup, scalp=tentacles unbound in a squid tangle across the ebonite. His lidless eyes stared blindly at the ceiling.

In the film you see him get slashed by Palpatine: (VLC caps, sorry for the bad quality)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7425/vlcsnap1379487.th.png (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap1379487.png/)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6121/vlcsnap1380213.th.png (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/vlcsnap1380213.png/)


Also regarding exhaustion from Force use, I came accross this passage in the book I am currently reading, Star Wars The New Jedi Order; Edge of Victory I: Conquest:

In theory, a Jedi could use the force effortlessy, with out tiring. In practice it seldom went that way. Anakin and Tahiri had gone beyond their limits, and now thier strength was ebbing.

I hope this helps somewhat, though take into account this is after the two Jedi (Aged 14 and 16, so still young) have ripped numerous 1000+ year old trees from the ground, to destroy ships. More food for thought, I guess...

Psycho Chickan
08-06-2009, 02:15 AM
I don't think the person using the force would "tire" during the course of a vs match. It's not long enough. Also Starkiller seems to have been able to move an entire destroyer (or whatever those huge ships are called) without tiring particularly fast so I guess the whole tiring issue is just void.

Still think wolverine'd win tho :) Too fast and agile to be caught in the first place by an asthmatic robot :P

J0shUK
08-06-2009, 02:32 AM
Vader. He would block Wolverine's claws with his force reflexs, and that would also cut them off. Then he would force grip Wolverine to the wall, choke him, and finish him off with force lightning.

pX I Atticus
08-06-2009, 03:24 AM
Darth Vader would kick his ass

xbirdyx112
08-06-2009, 05:15 PM
You'd have to be pretty dumb to think wolverine has a chance. Im pretty sure you can't regenerate health if you have been sliced in half. At least pick to equals in a fight like a flying tiger or a flying shark...

Euvel
08-06-2009, 05:28 PM
If you go with the Wolverine from the movies he'll probably instantly pounce at Darth Vader. Darth Vader wins. (Yeah the force is a cheap win.)

If Wolverine is more subtle about it... Darth Vader already freakin knows. Talked to look from across the galaxy or put thoughts into his head.

Congratulations. Wish they thought about that when they put Darth Vader in SC4.

Skepsis93
08-06-2009, 05:58 PM
Vader! DUH! :p

Vader would win with ease.

RedstaR
08-06-2009, 06:35 PM
Vader can force choke someone from across the universe, I'm pretty sure this wouldn't even be a battle for him.

Alice in Wonderland
08-06-2009, 08:51 PM
I like Wolverine more but I don't think he would win that fight :(

Psycho Chickan
08-08-2009, 10:15 AM
http://haldane.id.au/Chickan/x360a/FaceOff/funny-pictures-cat-invented-dark-side.jpg

gamechallenger
08-08-2009, 10:24 AM
wolverine sucks darth vader would own him

Bearded Bugs
08-09-2009, 10:41 PM
I'm going for Darth Vadar, but can a lightsaber cut through Wolverine? I'm not sure...