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Goats
04-11-2010, 03:00 AM
Down the shitter, as far as I know.

When I think of a punk band, I think of Ramones, The Casualties, The Matches, Sex Pistols, The Clash, X, The Police... you know, PUNK bands.

Now, while cruising around MySpace Music, I found this Punk Goes Classic thing. Here. (http://www.myspace.com/punkgoesclassicrock) Listed among the "punk" bands on the album are:

Hit The Lights
Mayday Parade
Pierce The Veil
Forever The Sickest Kids
The Maine
Never Shout Never
Blessthefall

I'm not hating on any of these bands, but they are known as something they really aren't. How the hell are these punk bands?

Tussell
04-11-2010, 03:02 AM
A lot of people are wondering the same thing... Including myself.

YouTube- H2O What Happened

Gorilla Stomper
04-11-2010, 03:12 AM
Punk is dead. So nowhere.

Kudos to Tussell for posting H2O.

Goats
04-11-2010, 03:14 AM
Goddamn, we live in a dark time. Punk dies and autotune is born.

Schism
04-11-2010, 04:50 AM
Yeah its sad....i find it kind of depressing that im getting to see The Casualties at warped tour this year...so many shit bands there...its actually the only band im going to see. Punk sadly...has died...its so stupid...all these "bands" these days are retarded...

XxBlueSpade2xX
04-11-2010, 06:22 AM
Keep listening to your old records, pass them on. Punk may be dead but all of this shit that has come out in the last decade or so will fade out sooner or later.

Start your own punk band!

R Rated Love
04-11-2010, 07:16 AM
"Punk" is alive and well.

Looking at those "Punk Goes..." compilations is a terrible guage of "punk" is doing. Ignoring that these compilations have been coming out for years with the same terrible roster of bands, the bands themselves are as far from "punk" as they come. Can usually count the actual "punk" bands on one hand. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a catchy title. Fearless is a great example of a decent label turned shit (on par with Hopeless, Victory, Epitaph, etc., though it's worth noting that Fearless has always been pretty awful).

I mean, if you're going to Warped Tour just for the Casualties, then you're a bit out of touch regarding "punk" bands of today. This year's tour is easily the best of the past few years in regards to "punk" bands playing.

I think you're just looking in all the wrong places.

SpleenVent
04-11-2010, 09:17 AM
Goddamn, we live in a dark time. Punk dies and autotune is born.

So very, very true. :mad:

Still enjoying NOFX, though the last time I saw them live it was pretty average - shitty venue though.

Postmodernmartyr
04-11-2010, 09:21 AM
When I think of a punk band, I think of Ramones, The Casualties, The Matches, Sex Pistols, The Clash, X, The Police... you know, PUNK bands.

Well, I used t argue that the Ramones aren't punk but rockabilly, though I don't worry about that so much anymore...

The Police were not punk, no way...

I've always said that it's not fair to call the Clash a punk band... they definitely wrote some punk songs, but they also wrote ska, reggae, hip hop, and experimental music...

As for the Pistols, and The Causalities and The Exploited (bunch of lousy sellouts or drunks... or both), are most responsible for current "punk" that you are looking at...

But don't worry, Punk like most art forms has evolved, there are plenty of amazing post punk and post hardcore bands coming out every year...

It's funny, none of the bands you listed are bands I think of when I think about punk... but maybe that's because I only think of Crass... because they were everything punk would, could, & should be!

Gorilla Stomper
04-11-2010, 09:53 AM
Punk died before I was even born. Then all this mainstream shit appeared.

Tussell
04-11-2010, 07:39 PM
"Punk" is alive and well.
I'm sorry... No...

Punk died before I was even born. Then all this mainstream shit appeared.
Same here, that's why punk is the furthest thing from 'alive and well'.

Iconoclast
04-12-2010, 01:50 AM
Everyone's conception of what the "punk" genre is is different. But as long as bands like Rufio and The Fall of Troy are still kicking, punk's still alive to me.

Massa Siggy
04-12-2010, 01:52 AM
I love Pierce the Veil and Blessthefall. But they are not punk, nor should they be labeled punk. I'm not much for real punk, too angry. Haha

Everyone's conception of what the "punk" genre is is different. But as long as bands like Rufio and The Fall of Troy are still kicking, punk's still alive to me.

The Fall of Troy broke up :(

Gorilla Stomper
04-12-2010, 02:05 AM
Everyone's conception of what the "punk" genre is is different. But as long as bands like Rufio and The Fall of Troy are still kicking, punk's still alive to me.

http://bluntobject.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/double-facepalm.jpg

R Rated Love
04-12-2010, 03:14 AM
I'm sorry... No...

I'm sorry... No...

http://www.noidearecords.com/
http://www.fatwreck.com/
http://www.bridge9.com/
http://itsaliverecords.com/
http://www.kissofdeathrecords.com/
http://www.teamsciencerecords.com/
http://www.piratespressrecords.com/store/
http://sabotproductions.net/
http://www.adelinerecords.net/
http://www.asianmanrecords.com/index.php
http://www.plan-it-x.com/
http://addrecs.com/
http://www.chunksaah.com/news.html
http://www.trafficstreetrecords.com/site/
http://www.1234gorecords.com/
http://asbestosrecords.wordpress.com/
http://www.jadetree.com/
http://www.craftyrecords.net/
http://www.dirtnaprecs.com/
http://www.byorecords.com/
http://www.lookoutrecords.com/blogcms/
http://www.gokartrecords.com/
http://dongiovannirecords.com/
http://bakeryoutletrecords.com/
http://www.recessrecords.com/
http://www.nitrorecords.com/
http://sideonedummy.com/
http://www.redscare.net/
http://www.springmanrecords.com/

All are alive and well, each with a full roster of bands releasing some of the best punk rock has to offer. (And those are just my bookmarks, in the grand scheme of things they don't even begin to scratch the surface)

-quote-Punk died before I was even born. Then all this mainstream shit appeared.-quote-

Same here, that's why punk is the furthest thing from 'alive and well'.

That quote is laughable at best. Many notable punk bands from the 70s/80s (presumably the music that died before you were born) were associated with the major labels in one way or another, which is about as mainstream as you can get. People love to write off the mainstream as rubbish, yet almost every band brought up in this thread is/was part of the mainstream in one way or another. Don't kid yourself. (Now, to clarify, I'm not denouncing any aforementioned bands as not being punk, but rather pointing out that your reasons for punk being dead today contradict what you considered to be punk back then, which is ass-backwards)

The scene may no longer be Iggy Pop and Sid Vicious, but it's quite naive to write it off as dead. You're allowed hold your clichéd "punk died in the 80s" opinion, but don't mistake it as fact.

Postmodernmartyr
04-12-2010, 03:26 AM
Many notable punk bands from the 70s/80s (presumably the music that died before you were born) were associated with the major labels in one way or another, which is about as mainstream as you can get.

Notice I earlier mentioned Crass, who don't follow that trend at all, in fact even though none of them were originally mentioned there, were a lot of good punk bands from that era... Conflict, Rudimentary Peni, The Germs, Sub-Humans, (early) Black Flag...

Punk did not die in 1984 (the year most "critics" claim punk rock died), it just realized that it had set itself in a musical box... and since punk in it's orgin was anti conformity, they realized it was time for changes... we've got so many sub genres of punk right now, It's not dead it's just changed...

R Rated Love
04-12-2010, 03:46 AM
Notice I earlier mentioned Crass, who don't follow that trend at all, in fact even though none of them were originally mentioned there, were a lot of good punk bands from that era... Conflict, Rudimentary Peni, The Germs, Sub-Humans, (early) Black Flag...

Punk did not die in 1984 (the year most "critics" claim punk rock died), it just realized that it had set itself in a musical box... and since punk in it's orgin was anti conformity, they realized it was time for changes... we've got so many sub genres of punk right now, It's not dead it's just changed...

I noticed, hence "many" rather than "all". (And in my associations, I wasn't referring to just labels, but also distribution, but that's besides the point)

And the second part of your post couldn't be more true. It could easily be argued in that sense that it's more alive today than ever.

Iconoclast
04-12-2010, 04:29 AM
http://bluntobject.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/double-facepalm.jpg

I just lol'd. You kids and your opinions crack me up.

R Rated Love
04-12-2010, 04:49 AM
I just lol'd. You kids and your opinions crack me up.

I don't think his post was regarding them not being punk, but rather that the Fall of Troy is broken up, and until late last year, so was Rufio. (In essence, you said that punk was dead right after saying it wasn't)

No hating on the bands themselves, I'd imagine. Rufio were great.

DOOKH8R
04-12-2010, 05:03 AM
You could adopt my mentality that all real music stopped in 1978 and everything still rocks and sounds great.

Some intermittent stuff has come along in the last 30+ years, but for the most part-nothing Punk wise will ever feel as incredible as it was in the 70s on my hifi.

Postmodernmartyr
04-12-2010, 05:39 AM
What about:
Fugazi
Drive Like Jehu
Milemarker
Black Eyes

It may have a new face, but I assure you, it is punk!

R Rated Love
04-12-2010, 06:03 AM
What about:
Fugazi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVCMLWtVN5E)

YouTube- Fugazi - Waiting Room

Now we're talking :woop: Easily in my top 5 videos on YouTube. (And incredible quality for being 20+ years old)

Fonkey Monkey
04-12-2010, 06:05 AM
I wasn't aware Punk was ever a good genre of music.

Postmodernmartyr
04-12-2010, 06:09 AM
I really love their performance of Glueman that's on Instrument... seeing Guy in that basketball hoop makes that entire song!!!

But exactly, how is Fugazi (and the other bands I mentioned... if you're not familiar with Drive Like Jehu, you'd probably like em) not both awesome and punk rock?

Gorilla Stomper
04-12-2010, 12:40 PM
That quote is laughable at best. Many notable punk bands from the 70s/80s (presumably the music that died before you were born) were associated with the major labels in one way or another, which is about as mainstream as you can get. People love to write off the mainstream as rubbish, yet almost every band brought up in this thread is/was part of the mainstream in one way or another. Don't kid yourself. (Now, to clarify, I'm not denouncing any aforementioned bands as not being punk, but rather pointing out that your reasons for punk being dead today contradict what you considered to be punk back then, which is ass-backwards)

What the fuck makes you think I was referring to the mainstream from the 70's and 80's?

I don't think his post was regarding them not being punk, but rather that the Fall of Troy is broken up, and until late last year, so was Rufio. (In essence, you said that punk was dead right after saying it wasn't)

Thanks for clearing that up. That WAS my point.

Also, here's an opinion for you. The Fall of Troy are annoying as fuck.

hopesfall2win
04-12-2010, 04:57 PM
I wasn't aware Punk was ever a good genre of music.

Was under the same impression. Only band I could mildly tolerate was Pulley.

Iconoclast
04-12-2010, 05:08 PM
I don't think his post was regarding them not being punk, but rather that the Fall of Troy is broken up, and until late last year, so was Rufio. (In essence, you said that punk was dead right after saying it wasn't)

No hating on the bands themselves, I'd imagine. Rufio were great.

Hahah, I didn't even know that. Guess I'm not as on top of things as I thought I was >.<

Oh well, I still listen to them.

I hereby approve your facepalm.

Tussell
04-12-2010, 08:19 PM
http://www.asianmanrecords.com/index.php
http://www.plan-it-x.com/

Those are the only ones that are good.

Postmodernmartyr
04-12-2010, 08:53 PM
Those are the only ones that are good.
I don't think that's true, I haven't really liked the way they were going, but No Idea had some good stuff in the day... their Back 2 Donut comp. was one of the best $3 I ever spent...

and let's not for get Lookout Records (Operation Ivy, Filth...)
And I couldn't even begin to fairly list how many awesome punk bands are/have been on Dischord records in the past 20+ years...

Tussell
04-12-2010, 08:56 PM
I don't think that's true, I haven't really liked the way they were going, but No Idea had some good stuff in the day... their Back 2 Donut comp. was one of the best $3 I ever spent...

and let's not for get Lookout Records (Operation Ivy, Filth...)
And I couldn't even begin to fairly list how many awesome punk bands are/have been on Dischord records in the past 20+ years...
To be honest, I was exaggerating with saying that Plan-It-X and Asian Man were the only good ones. Those are the only two record labels where I can pretty much say I like all the content though.

Postmodernmartyr
04-12-2010, 08:57 PM
To be honest, I was exaggerating with saying that Plan-It-X and Asian Man were the only good ones. Those are the only two record labels where I can pretty much say I like all the content though.
well.... Mailorder IS Still Fun...

R Rated Love
04-13-2010, 06:22 AM
What the fuck makes you think I was referring to the mainstream from the 70's and 80's?

What's the difference? The mainstream is the mainstream. You said "then all this mainstream shit happened", as if this was something new that came out of nowhere. Pop music changes with the times, but it's all pop music.

Look at a genre like country music. The country music of today is about as distinguishable as could be from the country of the 40s/50s, but it's all country music.

Also, here's an opinion for you. The Fall of Troy are annoying as fuck.

Alright. I don't care for them either, but I suppose that's besides the point. (I guess you and the Fall Of Troy have something in common? :p I jest, I jest ;) )

To be honest, I was exaggerating with saying that Plan-It-X and Asian Man were the only good ones. Those are the only two record labels where I can pretty much say I like all the content though.

What I'm saying is, that doesn't matter. There's very few of those labels whose entire catalogues would make it into my favorite music either, but whether I like it or not, that doesn't mean it is/isn't punk. I am not the 'punk police', nor is anybody else.

I mean, a great example is No Idea. Their catalogue ranges everywhere from folk punk, hardcore punk, pop punk, anarcho punk, and pretty much everything inbetween. While I love a lot of what they put out, it isn't all my cup of tea, but I'm not gonna start denouncing the genre as a whole just because of that. It's just silly.

You may not like the "punk" of today, but the scene is alive and well.