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BulletH0l3s
05-09-2010, 12:52 AM
A huge amount of people, usually not gamers, consider video games complicated 'toys', the amount of controversy surrounding video games when they decide to include sex (mass effect), or to include 'extreme' violence, rises due to the fact that news organisations or the press in general, consider them to be toys for children(which they clearly aren't). When something is considered a 'toy' or entertainment for younger audiences the games have no hard ground to stand on when they're picked on or controversy strikes,

This topic came into my head after I was playing mass effect, the day after my birthday, I was playing in my lounge and my Dad walks in and compliments the games graphical appeal and I told him about the 'Porn simulator' incident which the game received controversy over, and then how that it was non-gamers who were making the statement and we both agreed how stupid it was, and my father is not in anyway a gamer, but I am, I personally consider games to be a young and developing art form, with room enough to grow, and hopefully the stereo-types which gamers fall in too will disappear and that games will no longer be considered 'toys'. I just feel that for you to comment on something which such a strong opinion you should come strong with facts and to have experienced it yourself.
So, opinions guys?

sak7395
05-09-2010, 01:00 AM
no i dont consider it an art but i sure love playing them

ogbross
05-09-2010, 02:34 AM
Everything is considered an art. From farting to gaming. It's all an art. The art of a fart, something I have mastered.

antnie
05-09-2010, 02:39 AM
Everything is considered an art. From farting to gaming. It's all an art. The art of a fart, something I have mastered. Totally epic.
Like ogbross said, anything is art, if you are a Modernist.

Thegreatest7884
05-09-2010, 04:54 AM
Okami is art. (/thread)

GhOsT SLaYeR
05-09-2010, 04:59 AM
sure why not..

DOOKH8R
05-09-2010, 05:08 AM
Roger Ebert says no, so I am of course going to say yes-video games are art.
But seriously, the Capital Wasteland in Fallout 3 and Rapture in Bioshock are most definitely art.

poppaduff
05-24-2010, 09:46 AM
Yes of course its art
Think about it from a game designers point of view.
Ive seen more stupid things be called "ah now thats art"

I take care of my games like its a Mona Lisa
doesnt matter if its Turning Point all the way to MW2
They all get the same treatment
Wife thinks Im crazy

TheLordReylus
06-20-2010, 03:54 AM
Concept Art alone should answer that question

klokwerk
06-20-2010, 03:56 AM
Depends on the game. Not all paintings, photos, or sculptures are considered art.

Snowwwwy
06-20-2010, 03:59 AM
I consider them more of a hobby I guess?

jedijaxpavan
06-20-2010, 04:24 AM
like some have said. depends on the game. when you can walk through the enviroment and oogle at the set pieces and the decor i believe it most certainly is art. when you have to look at something from different perspectives in different lighting i believe that is art. when the developers put their souls in to making a AAA title they are creating art. when you have to call someone who doesnt even like games into the room to see it, and they are impressed........i believe its art.

few games are art, but they are art nontheless

Iconoclast
06-20-2010, 04:32 AM
If you mean from the perspective of the developer(s) and programmers(s), then yes. But from the perspective of players, absolutely not.

RadiantViper
06-20-2010, 05:33 AM
I keep hearing this 'video games as art' thing come up. And everytime I think 'Why do I care?'. Why does it matter if they get labelled as art or not? I'll enjoy them either way.

Starstrukk X360A
06-20-2010, 05:38 AM
Sorta.
I mean, like movies and music, it requires some sort of creativity as to not be ridiculously bland and dull.

Paka
06-20-2010, 06:24 AM
Not just any art, but a combination of many kinds of art... graphical, musical, storytelling. If art is a construct of humans meant to inspire, be beautiful, communicate ideas, I think games definitely qualify. And like any art, opinions of the quality are subjective and will vary.

For physical beauty, the worlds of Oblivion and Dragon Quest VIII are pure eye candy for me. Soundtracks like those of Lunar: SSSC, the Xenosaga series, and Tales of Symphonia are worth listening to on their own; some of the prettiest instrumental pieces I've ever heard are from games. For stories, I think some games, like FF X and the Xenosaga series, beat most movies out there. Browsing sites like fanfiction.net you can see that the stories inspire many people. Some games also require creativity and design on the part of players, forcing them to actually create themselves unlike more passive forms of art.

Nightbeam
06-20-2010, 06:59 AM
It all depends on your point of view, if you were born before the first game ever was made, most likely you'll be intolerant of games. People are becoming more tolerant of gaming as the industry gets older, and many people do believe its a form of art, but it doesn't really matter.

Saku
06-20-2010, 07:03 AM
I consider video games art. They interpret a story and message through uses of various arts: literary, visual, and phonetic, so I would say yes, they very much are art, just that people aren't open minded enough to see it that way. Also, a problem is that they consider the entirety of video game culture as the artist. This is very wrong, in my view, because an artist is a creator. The gamer isn't an artist, but rather an art appreciator. We experience the art, and rate it, whether it be on a public or a personal scale. The game developers are the true artists, with their hit games being masterpieces.

SpartanF12
06-20-2010, 07:29 AM
Only really cinematic games such as Metal Gear Solid 4 or Bioshock etc... For some reason anything that doesn't have the cinematic approach doesn't appear as art to me. I don't really know why though....

Giptuc
06-20-2010, 09:22 AM
No. They are tools used for entertainment. Art is something that will live on for a LONG time, and people will look back at it in 50 years and still be able to enjoy it. Games are good, until the next gen of games come out, then the older ones become obsolete. I definately wouldnt consider them 'art'.

People classify too many things as art these days..

Chaosx721
06-20-2010, 10:10 AM
People who say games aren't art, don't understand games.

Giptuc
06-20-2010, 11:50 AM
People who say games aren't art, don't understand games.

How does that work? people see things for different things.
The same thing could be said about cars.

I see a 1967 Mustang Fastback as a beautiful car, but someone else can see it as an old piece of junk. Depends on your taste.

Not every little thing can be classified as art. To me, something that has an effect on people, and that will be remembered in decades can be considered art. Games that you look at and remember how fun they are, are considered good games, but I wouldnt go so far as to say they are works of art. Its just creative imagination that gets them that far.

Tbh, I wouldnt call alot of stuff that comes out these days art. Ive seen the same things happen in preschools, its just that its done by some 35 year old european guy that it gets considered 'art'.

jgahagan
06-20-2010, 01:50 PM
Games like ICO and Shadow of The Colossus are definitely an art form. Games like Gears of War and Modern Warfare, not so much. Although it can obviously be argued otherwise, I'm just thinking as a complete package and not specific parts of a game. I suppose everything is "art" in it's own right.

Kristoffer
06-20-2010, 02:28 PM
Sure they´re . Pictures are and Music is too. And Games are the combination of both so why shouldn´t they considered as art :confused:

Daiphyer.
06-20-2010, 02:58 PM
Yes they are electronic arts. Put yourself in the developer's shoes. You have to be really artistic and creative to create a game that is both compelling and beautiful.

thenewpeter
06-20-2010, 03:40 PM
Video games are art. Think about it, it brings all other forms of art into one place, forming the game. Designing from the ground up with art work, modeling, writing, voice acting, music. It's slightly insulting to think that no-one would relise that, when reading/watching news articles about these events, such as the one in MW2 with the airport, I just face palm at peoples stupidity... buying an 18 game, and thinking nothing of it... then complaining at the first thing the parent doesn't like...
Games have become recognised to a good extent, but like every art, there's haters. Just like with machinima.

rvlution
06-20-2010, 06:43 PM
I think parts of games can be art. Idk why a game can't be if a movie can be. The GI article in the latest issue is basically how I feel. If I get a strong emotional feeling from a game, then I would consider it art.

EDIT: Even on a literal level (as said above) games are art.

syntax419
06-20-2010, 08:35 PM
Not every little thing can be classified as art. To me, something that has an effect on people, and that will be remembered in decades can be considered art. Games that you look at and remember how fun they are, are considered good games, but I wouldnt go so far as to say they are works of art. Its just creative imagination that gets them that far.

Tbh, I wouldnt call alot of stuff that comes out these days art. Ive seen the same things happen in preschools, its just that its done by some 35 year old european guy that it gets considered 'art'.

It's been almost 30 years since the first time I played Super Mario Bros. Back then, when it first came out, it affected me with emotions of happiness, excitement, anger and such for getting past certain points in the game (or not). Nowadays when I play it, I get nostalgic as well. Is it now art in your definition? Or should I wait 20 more years before I consider it art?

I consider games to be art. Art, to me, is something that affects one's senses or emotions. Games are an interactive medium which have the ability to give the player a deeper connection which can perhaps only be experienced through interactivity. Could a movie provoke the same emotions that Bioshock triggered when you had no choice but to follow the conditioned command? Could a painting make you feel the loss of a child and, later, panic as you frantically search for your lost son in a way that Heavy Rain could?

Roger Ebert says no, so I am of course going to say yes-video games are art.

Ebert is a fool.

source: http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2010/04/video_games_can_never_be_art.html

Obviously he has never picked up a controller, and his opinions are apparently based off of screenshots and possibly some videos. He also seems to think of games as score, objectives, points, etc. He cites novels as art, I wonder where the the dividing line would be when it comes to choose your own adventure books or dungeons and dragons as art forms. Is it no longer art if you add choices and a branching story line? What about if you take away the book itself and have a story teller shape and mold the story based on your decisions and rolling of dice? Is it that interaction makes an art just entertainment? Then that invalidates music as an art when it comes to musicians when they play their instruments. I could go on, but I'm going to shut up now.

/rant

KFZ Scrubs
06-20-2010, 08:56 PM
Of course it's an art..... it's an art through storytelling, visuals and the way that it's set up..... virtual art. I don't know why people don't consider it an art....and i agree with whoever said everything is an art.

EddyF 101
06-20-2010, 09:15 PM
Games have always been an art from, all the way back to when the commodore 64 came out to the present day.The amount if work that goes into making them is crazy! and anyway for all games there is concept art/ drawing's that are used to help in the games development, i guess that would be classed as 'real' art since most concept art is drawn.

tweak4ever
06-21-2010, 04:23 AM
Roger Ebert once argued that "Video games cannot be an art form"

in response to this statement, artist and highly thematic video game creator Clive Barker said "Anything can be considered artwork, even if it moves your bowels".

So, to answer your question, yes, i believe video games are art

Dalagrath
06-21-2010, 04:45 AM
Yes. Making, playing, and studying video games is an art. Not only are you practicing and doing what you want to do but you are expressing your inner self.

The choices in the game reflect on who you are. The way you design the graphics or plot of a game is completely art related. Studying video games goes even further into that art type field.

When I here that video games are a toy or bad habit, I not only correct them, but I give examples of how they are wrong.

tylera_39
06-21-2010, 04:50 AM
Only really cinematic games such as Metal Gear Solid 4 or Bioshock etc... For some reason anything that doesn't have the cinematic approach doesn't appear as art to me. I don't really know why though....

I'm the same way. A good cinematic game can be better than most movies in my opinion. I'm a big movie buff and most games that I play I just consider a movie that I'm able to interact with.

Kirye
06-21-2010, 04:50 AM
I remember I was reading an article about this on gameinformer recently, and I gotta throw in my 2 cents.

Some games are meant to be only entertainment. This is true in a game such as Modern Warfare and Battlefield. The graphics are spectacular, but does it really immerse you in its world? Not exactly.

With that said though, video game design is an art whether you like it or not. Just like a movie can be called art for the story it produces, an orchestra can produce beautiful sounds that are loved for years to come, and an artist can draw a picture that says a thousand words, who says that all 3 cannot be combined? Take for instance Super Mario Galaxy 2, on the outside a kiddish game but really let it sink in, look at the visuals and the world, listen to the music. These types of games aren't just for only entertainment, it's an art.

Same with something like Fallout 3. Look at the world around you, a perfect embodiment of the world had it been hit with a nuclear strike all those years ago. It makes you feel like you're in the world, seeing the destruction in your own eyes.

Too lazy to write what else was on my mind. XD

Crimson Son88
06-21-2010, 04:52 AM
Creating games is art, but playing no.

Sniper Riflez
06-21-2010, 09:51 AM
If you see concept art from games like Brutal Legend you'll definitely agree it's art.

jtr1gg3r
06-21-2010, 11:41 AM
Id consider it art, the amount of effort and the skills neede to make these games is an art

When you look at games like Assassins Creed II, you cant say that its ugly because its absolutely beautiful.

Also, when you look at a game like Borderlands (a game that had its whole look overhauled), that is an artistic style - and it looks awesome, and personally, without that change I dont think it would've sold so much and been so successful, that one change alone has made it one of the best games on the 360

so yeah....... I consider it art....... lol

Takamura Bear
06-21-2010, 09:09 PM
Of course games are art. Art doesn't have to be in the form of paintings. Video games are a form of expression.

Videogames are a form of interactive art at its finest.