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Doombringer777
10-13-2010, 11:52 PM
I have been following this game since announcement and have been hoping for MOH to come back because COD seems like it catered too much to MP and didn't really have Single Player that really immersed me, but back to the topic. This, is the first "TRUE" (at least in relatively known games) modern warfare game because it takes place around, you guessed it, an actual current conflict (OMG somebody call the media because it's completely acceptable for someone to write, paint a picture, or make a movie about a conflict that THEY FEATURE LIVE VIDEO OF, but when a "game" does it it's an Insult to servicemen, their families, and everyone alive because we don't take 2 minutes to actually learn and get informed about a media that we love to hate on because it gives us a "good" story [i'm looking at you fox news]). It took a lot of guts to make this game on the developers and even EA's part because of the backlash everyone saw coming. To all the people that say COD 4 took place around a current conflict, no it did not. It took place in a country that has no name and might as well be called "Genericstan". This game just took one big step towards video games becoming art for depiciting a "fictional" game that takes place with realistic storyline around a Real current conflict, real enemy organization both called by name, and took the heat with only a minor flinch (and really, the only thing they took out was the word "taliban" in multiplayer, it's still in single player and this is what i'm writing about).

Also, yes I am slightly biased against COD (i even said it in my post) but I pointed out legitimate facts about it so don't say they're not true. Also off topic, i don't think any game should ever really take heat from the media, but i really don't see how MOH took more heat than the "No Russian Level." That deserved much more mass coverage to be honest because No Russian in my opinion was a just tasteless, unnecessary depiction of an act of violence and this just showed what kind of situations or boys(and girls) overseas can actually encounter.
Discuss. I would like to hear your opinions.

Venomized
10-13-2010, 11:53 PM
I have been following this game since announcement and have been hoping for MOH to come back because COD seems like it catered too much to MP and didn't really have Single Player that really immersed me, but back to the topic. This, is the first "TRUE" (at least in relatively known games) modern warfare game because it takes place around, you guessed it, an actual current conflict (OMG somebody call the media because it's completely acceptable for someone to write, paint a picture, or make a movie about a conflict that THEY FEATURE LIVE VIDEO OF, but when a "game" does it it's an Insult to servicemen, their families, and everyone alive because we don't take 2 minutes to actually learn and get informed about a media that we love to hate on because it gives us a "good" story [i'm looking at you fox news]). It took a lot of guts to make this game on the developers and even EA's part because of the backlash everyone saw coming. To all the people that say COD 4 took place around a current conflict, no it did not. It took place in a country that has no name and might as well be called "Genericstan". This game just took one big step towards video games becoming art for depiciting a "fictional" game that takes place with realistic storyline around a Real current conflict, real enemy organization both called by name, and took the heat with only a minor flinch (and really, the only thing they took out was the word "taliban" in multiplayer, it's still in single player and this is what i'm writing about).

Also, yes I am slightly biased against COD (i even said it in my post) but I pointed out legitimate facts about it so don't say they're not true. Also off topic, i don't think any game should ever really take heat from the media, but i really don't see how MOH took more heat than the "No Russian Level." That deserved much more mass coverage to be honest because No Russian in my opinion was a just tasteless, unnecessary depiction of an act of violence and this just showed what kind of situations or boys(and girls) overseas can actually encounter.

It doesn't change that the game kind of sucks...

stuhp
10-13-2010, 11:57 PM
It doesn't change that the game kind of sucks...

And cue the blatant off-topic bitching at one another instead of the OP. :)

I'll start: unnecessary quoting is unnecessary, Venom.

Doombringer777
10-13-2010, 11:57 PM
It doesn't change that the game kind of sucks...
Cool Story Bro, very well thought out post on your part. Mind elaborating?

GHLougar
10-13-2010, 11:59 PM
I understand the points you're trying to make, no idea why they see games as a bad influence unless it is clear in the game what those bad influences are. There truly are games with situations worse than Call of Duty's "No Russian" level, but only so much of that can be heard of. This seems debatable, not saying it will happen, but be prepared for some arguments.

Venomized
10-14-2010, 12:00 AM
And cue the blatant off-topic bitching at one another instead of the OP. :)

I'll start: unnecessary quoting is unnecessary, Venom.

Hypocrite much? How is your post anymore on topic than mine, and anymore necessary than mine?
Cool Story Bro, very well thought out post on your part. Mind elaborating?

Well aren't you a smart-ass.

I have already explained in multiple threads. So go search for my answers if you are that interested.

Doombringer777
10-14-2010, 12:01 AM
This seems debatable, not saying it will happen, but be prepared for some arguments.
I actually look forward to it. The post was made to stimulate discussion. I like to debate and hear peoples points on both side of the argument (as long as they're thought out and not just "this game sucks, (insert other game here) is way better because I say so".

stuhp
10-14-2010, 12:02 AM
Hypocrite much? How is your post anymore on topic than mine, and anymore necessary than mine?

That was the point, buddy. :woop:

Venomized
10-14-2010, 12:08 AM
That was the point, buddy. :woop:

I wasn't making a point, and neither were you. Goodbye young'un.

As for the point of this thread, and for discussing my ideas. I can sympathize with why they wanted the Taliban removed from the game. I think it really doesnt matter since it is just a game, but I can still sympathize with them, and that is why I think it was a good idea to call the Taliban OPFOR online. It makes everyone happy. The game is still the same and the Taliban's name isn't being used.

Venomized
10-14-2010, 12:11 AM
I actually look forward to it. The post was made to stimulate discussion. I like to debate and hear peoples points on both side of the argument (as long as they're thought out and not just "this game sucks, (insert other game here) is way better because I say so".

If someone says a game sucks, or another game is better, it is their opinion. Whether they explain why or not. If they explain why, then it is an informed opinion, if they don't it is still an opinion, just not very informative. But the way you are pointing out those people is silly.

Doombringer777
10-14-2010, 12:18 AM
Guys please stop arguing with each other. There is really no point. Also I agree with you on just syaing a game sucks and not elaborating is their opinion, but stuff like that is not really needed here because thats not what this discussion is about. It is about whether or not you agree with the post which has nothing to do with one game over another or the quality of the game, it's about the concept.

I have already explained in multiple threads. So go search for my answers if you are that interested.
Off topic:
All your complaints have good explinations and only 1 is MOH fault.
The curving bullets are due to CSHD and lag on their part so it's not the games fault it's the client trying to play the game with a crappy internet. Same thing goes with the Knife kills and Offensive support action problems most likely come from packet loss because of your connection. The only way to fix these problems are to buy everyone faster internet. EA servers are not MOH's fault and this happens because 1. Servers cost quite alot of money to rent/buy/maintain and from a business standpoint it's better to under stock than to overstock because overstocking causes a loss of money. Your complaints about moving around are based on personal preference and don't happen very often. The only thing that is really MOH fault is the spawns, and that is really the only problem with the actual game itself.

Venomized
10-14-2010, 12:22 AM
Guys please stop arguing with each other. There is really no point.

Off topic:
All your complaints have good explinations and only 1 is MOH fault.
The curving bullets are due to CSHD and lag on their part so it's not the games fault it's the client trying to play the game with a crappy internet. Same thing goes with the Knife kills and Offensive support action problems come from packet loss because of your connection. The only way to fix these problems are to buy everyone faster internet. EA servers are not MOH's fault and this happens because 1. Servers cost quite alot of money to rent/buy/maintain and from a business standpoint it's better to under stock than to overstock because overstocking causes a loss of money. Your complaints about moving around are based on personal preference and don't happen very often. The only thing that is really MOH fault is the spawns, and that is really the only problem with the actual game itself.

Well what about the calling in offensive support actions? Whose fault is that? I believe it is the creators of MoH. I am not the only one who has encountered that problem many times. It is quite annoying.

Doombringer777
10-14-2010, 12:24 AM
Well what about the calling in offensive support actions? Whose fault is that? I believe it is the creators of MoH. I am not the only one who has encountered that problem many times. It is quite annoying.

Read the post in it's entirety before commenting on missing content that is clearly there.

Same thing goes with the Knife kills and Offensive support action problems most likely come from packet loss because of your connection..

kevosince85
10-14-2010, 12:25 AM
Does Realism really matter to you? At the end of the day, its a Video Game!! Something you play for enjoyment. I don't get that sensation when playing MOH.

Venomized
10-14-2010, 12:27 AM
Read the post in it's entirety before commenting on missing content that is clearly there.

lol I must have skipped the line. I just re-read it and saw it. My bad.

but I disagree. it is not my connection.

Doombringer777
10-14-2010, 12:41 AM
Does Realism really matter to you? At the end of the day, its a Video Game!! Something you play for enjoyment. I don't get that sensation when playing MOH.
I see where you're coming from and usually i do play games for fun. I played this for fun aswell. I am just pointing out that this game is kind of really one of the first to make a game around take a controversial topic and handling it with respect like many mediums of "art", even though many people (mainly because their uninformed and human nature makes us fear what we don't understand, and fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate and hate leads to suffering. (yes i know Yoda said this but it's true. Whether or not we get to the suffering part in the video game industries case will either come full strike November 1st when the Supreme Court starts hearing the case that, if the California law is determined constitutional will ultimately restrict the video game industries first amendment rights and make it a controlled substance like Pornography that State governments can restrict or even ban the sale of to people, which will cripple the Industry because (I know i will get a lot of hate for this but statistically it's true) the US accounts for most of the sales on games and if they can't sell games here they probably won't make as good of games because they can't make as much money back. I know most of this post is off topic but i really urge you to sign the petition to stop this law from going through because as harmless as the bill seems, what I've said in this post can be expected because the bill does all the things i said without actually saying it because this bill voids their 1st amendment rights. Even if you're outside of the US please sign this Petition! http://action.theeca.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1781)

ShadyShall
10-14-2010, 01:16 AM
I agree with you Doombringer... good points

I was also way more impressed with the realism of this game compared to CoD... except for the non-existent recoil...

Tha Mantis
10-14-2010, 01:21 AM
To bad the "mature" people are playing something else and all I'm playing with is camping little bitches who MUST use a sniper rifle.

Doombringer777
10-14-2010, 01:29 AM
Just finished the campaign, and i love getting involved in games, (I usually like RPG's the most because you have the most connection because "you" are the character) and no joke, the ending of this game was so beautiful it brought me the closest to crying than any other game I've ever played. To me that's saying something because I've been a gamer for a good 10 years or so and I don't cry often.

II OE II
10-14-2010, 05:17 AM
my question to the game in general....

Why the hell did they have to remove the Taliban from MP?

CoD already has them in MW but are just named Op4... So really, whats the issue here? it was made with US soldiers, ABOUT this sort of thing... I think EA should have stuck with it for MP honestly. Yes, im not from the US (flame all you like) but thats not the point here.. If its so apparently bad to show US soldiers being "killed" in video games, why the hell does CoD or MoH even exist?! you die in single player, and you die in multiplayer.

But another point i would like to rant about, (flame this and i will hate crime you so hard) is why the lack of Canadian representatives in these FPS games? Sure, we may not go to war over every little thing, but im sure we have our own Ops out there doing stuff too. Last game i even saw a Canadian soldier in was CoD3... and we did lots of work in both World Wars.

SoleAssassin
10-14-2010, 06:17 AM
I love how headshots from a shotty or a heavy sniper blew off the heads of the tallys. :D

WoH Jabba81
10-14-2010, 07:02 AM
I love how headshots from a shotty or a heavy sniper blew off the heads of the tallys. :D

oO thats the sollution of all our problems dude XD XD

xMidget_Furyx
10-14-2010, 07:27 AM
I was following the backlash from this game having taliban in it and people being upset. The newspaper had a story of a lady saying it disrepected her dead son that they (her words not mine) "they made a game where you can kill american soliders as the taliban." Not once did the article clarify that it was in MP mode only. Second they interview a 13 year old kid outside of a gamestop in san jose california. he says "I can't wait to play this game it makes me feel like I'm a solider and what it's like to fight along side them." I sure hope someone told him they don't have a respawn overthere.

Anyways what got me about the article is why they interview a child who wouldn't be able to buy the game without his parents buying it for him. Also that a majority of people think video games are for children. Do they not see the M rating.

ArcticNinja0418
10-14-2010, 07:53 AM
Does Realism really matter to you? At the end of the day, its a Video Game!! Something you play for enjoyment. I don't get that sensation when playing MOH.

Realism doesn't matter to me when playing a game, but if its taking part on situations of my fallen comrades then yes it does matter to me. To see if they really hit the spot in the game and some SF helped build or correct the situations in MoH. Been deployed twice in a 4 year period and didn't have a chance to actually go to Afghanistan for my 5th year. Plus this game was made for our fallen heroes and I bet every military service men/women are playing this game. For this game it's isn't about enjoyment or sensation for us but some sort of relieve to bring us back to that place, where we were unlucky to make it out alive instead of the fallen.

"Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Plato

II OE II
10-14-2010, 07:56 AM
well, that lady needs to pull her head from her ass big time.. Its a game.. Someone should tell her that she's disrespecting someone's "creative" idea, and whichever soldiers were helping make this game. As for the kid, someone needs to smack him upside the head and tell him its not real...

As for the kid not being able to buy it without a parent.. Well, durr... it has a rating of "M" for a reason... Yet most parents dont care because they don't know until -AFTER- they've bought it for their kids.

I think they could get around this "M" rating thing by only allowing someone over 18 purchase the game... or at least inform parents about it when they pick it up for their little ones.

All in all, i say bring this horror to our doorsteps and let us know what it's like to be in their shoes instead of sugar coating it. I may not be in the military myself, but if i had the balls to go out there and do what they do every day, i would. RESPECT AND THANKS TO ALL THOSE FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM REGARDLESS OF NATIONALITY OR GENDER!

ArcticNinja0418
10-14-2010, 08:01 AM
my question to the game in general....

Why the hell did they have to remove the Taliban from MP?


I don't see why they removed it, i'm a soldier and I wouldn't care if they kept it. Thats just one women idea that went to the press and the press made it a big deal without asking the soldiers if they mind about it.

But this game still has AQ in it, meaning Al Qaeda/Al Qaida so I don't know why they made a big deal with having Taliban in MP. Cause Taliban means students and nothing bad. If EA done their research for what it meant and told the lady that, maybe it could have stayed?

II OE II
10-14-2010, 08:16 AM
i agree with what you say.. stupid is as stupid does... >.<

on a side note though: RESPECT AND THANKS!

shticks
10-14-2010, 09:16 AM
I found the content of the single player portion of the game to be more tasteful than a UFC match. It was very respectful towards troops, but was lacking a more dynamic story.

I didn't see a problem with the No Russian level in COD it was a terrorist group..... they do that kind of thing. sure it was disturbing... but shock value is an effective way to get a message across..... whether people realize it or not..... well.....

Doombringer777
10-15-2010, 01:45 AM
I found the content of the single player portion of the game to be more tasteful than a UFC match. It was very respectful towards troops, but was lacking a more dynamic story.

I didn't see a problem with the No Russian level in COD it was a terrorist group..... they do that kind of thing. sure it was disturbing... but shock value is an effective way to get a message across..... whether people realize it or not..... well.....
I don't see a problem with the No Russian level either. The point I was trying to make was that if they wan't to argue "morals" to say a game is bad, then morally the No Russian level was far more offensive morally than having the opposing faction actually named what it is in real life. According to the people complaining about these games, they sure say and act like they have better morals than everyone else alive though you can plainly see they really don't.

cutchinz
10-15-2010, 02:02 AM
I honestly don't get the big deal with playing as "Taliban." I mean it would be a totally different story if you were killing actual characters with personalities like the campaign, but these are just generic soldiers I mean you can barely even tell what side you're shooting anyways!

massive183
10-15-2010, 09:05 AM
one of the most realistic games i have seen to date

Mikey1610
10-15-2010, 09:19 AM
Agreed. No fantasy, unrealistic perks to piss you off. Makes a refreshing change.

AnInsaneClown124
10-15-2010, 12:44 PM
I totally agree with you Doombringer

Doombringer777
10-15-2010, 10:12 PM
Agreed. No fantasy, unrealistic perks to piss you off. Makes a refreshing change.
Yeah to be honest that was one of the things that appealed to me in the beta. Have yet to play online since I've been busy lately but the perks in COD bugged the crap out of e for some reason.

gamerscorhunta
11-27-2010, 12:38 AM
So, you believe it wasn't that big at all when they took the Taliban out, nothing significant about it?

Honestly, video games will never earn civilization's respect if we keep letting our balls drop off. Something as simple as just replacing the word "Taliban" does not justify anything, it works against us. Damnit, I get so pissed when people take it so lightly on the whole "oh, they just took out the word Taliban for the sake of our troops." I touched on this subject in my Supreme Court thread, but I guess I must spread this whole concept around that we should have the society's respect, not just their appreciation for giving them money and an audience to laugh at.

TristamRaiders
12-01-2010, 08:22 PM
In my opinion, this game has the best multiplayer of all time.
I've played them all, and this game has the tactical and mature gameplay that I have been waiting for. And yes, even though you can't lay down...

Snipin' and Smokin'!