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xFortyseven
10-24-2010, 04:56 PM
I really can't decide. Of course enslaving people is wrong, but Pyramid gave them a life, hope and dreams. In the wasteland there's nothing left but deadly mechs and ruins.
Did she really do the right thing?

eddywatson
10-24-2010, 07:03 PM
I was abit confused at the ending am i right in thinking this is correct...

The slavers picked up the people after the war and then put them suits and masks on them and then they lived a virtual life? full of good things? so they didnt have to put up with the bad memories from the war?

And then *SPOILER*..... Trip "unplugged" there virtual machine and they came back to reality?

Is that right? lol

If so it could open a way for a second version of the game

xFortyseven
10-24-2010, 08:57 PM
yeah, i think that's it pretty much. Pyramid made them live in a world like ours today, instead of this wasteland that the world had become. And then Trip destroyed that illusion and brought them back to reality.

LFC Alevop
10-24-2010, 09:10 PM
I think she did the right thing. Those people cant live like that forever. They need to try and work to rebuild the world.

TimespliTT
10-24-2010, 09:45 PM
what i dont understand is the wasteland WAS NOT RUN BY the pyramid right. yet there are slavers and locations. where are the humans where are the human bosses. (like when youre in the ship flying to the location and the guy comes on the radio. who are you, do you have clearance to fly hear.? that WAS A PERSON. yet all through the levels its robots. who are under a tree of command. who is in control? the pryamid guy(s) is isolated from the outside.

i liked the game and the story. even with the fish and birds and grass, it felt more desolated than fallout.

they better make a book detailing EVERYTHING that happened to this world beforehand

ChinaWhiteII
10-25-2010, 12:21 AM
what i dont understand is the wasteland WAS NOT RUN BY the pyramid right. yet there are slavers and locations. where are the humans where are the human bosses. (like when youre in the ship flying to the location and the guy comes on the radio. who are you, do you have clearance to fly hear.? that WAS A PERSON. yet all through the levels its robots. who are under a tree of command. who is in control? the pryamid guy(s) is isolated from the outside.

i liked the game and the story. even with the fish and birds and grass, it felt more desolated than fallout.

they better make a book detailing EVERYTHING that happened to this world beforehand

It is clearly explained at the end of the game why you hear a "human" voice despite this you still don't understand? At the start of the game you see humans who are doing jobs who are slaves working for the salver pyramid, the guy on the radio is exactly the same... a slave. He even says they have jobs they have marriages, not all in a virtual world as we clearly saw at the start of the game. They're being controlled by Robot mind similar to the matrix.

The wasteland isn't run by Pyramid no, the mechs there are left over from a previous war. The slavers come looking for Humans pick them up and then take them to Pyramid, but why tthey didn't take trips family and friends remained a mystery, but then it is a sadistic guy so...

Was it the right thing she did though? Yes it was, they made the point that trying to save the old life before the war was hurting the present world not saving it, when really they should be creating a new one. Plus the fact they weren't really free to do what they wanted is never a good thing.

There are lots of things they could do to make a new game, the people fixing up new york, other pyramids around the world other slaves need freeing etc.

Brambledamble
10-25-2010, 02:50 PM
If you ask me, free will is always better.
And I would love to see a sequel where Monkey works together with the freed slaves to hunt down and kill all remaining war robots while at the same time they try to rebuild the world. Providing details from the war and putting a Skynet-like robot mastermind behind the scenes, this could make for an equally epic storyline.

DaHrtOfDaWhtDrGn
10-25-2010, 03:27 PM
I have to say yes she did the right thing, they were slaves they were living a lie being a slave is not living its being imprisoned in a lie that does not exist who wants to live that kind of life, she freed them from the lie now the hard part is dealing with it once they awake from there dream state lol

FroZeNSouL
10-25-2010, 09:29 PM
To many open questions for me.
What was the war, was it between humans and mechs, who created them?
If like the AI guy said, and they are not slaves, why even call them slaves, and the ships 'slave ships'. Because even the AI over the intercom says this.
Also that guy over intercom to pigsys ship really doesnt sound anything like an AI.
Are the mechs under control by Piramid? Coz they sure look like they are protecting it, rather than sourounding it to destroy slaveships.

And how long has trip supposed to have been on that slave ship that her father has died of stavation!?

MetalGearMax
10-26-2010, 02:30 AM
they were pretty much plugged into the matrix, living out a life from the past while the world of today rots around them.
As Trip hinted, it's better to try and build a future then just relive the old days. Sure the world as been turned into a dump, but through unity they can rebuild a better tomorrow....


....though it's more than likely a future generation will just tear it down again.

RuYi
10-26-2010, 09:54 AM
I think it was a good decision. The way I see it, they might be living a perfect illusion, but there's still this world. Why not make that one a little more perfect, for themselves, but maybe even more for the next generation?

TimespliTT
10-26-2010, 07:30 PM
It is clearly explained at the end of the game why you hear a "human" voice despite this you still don't understand? At the start of the game you see humans who are doing jobs who are slaves working for the salver pyramid, the guy on the radio is exactly the same... a slave. He even says they have jobs they have marriages, not all in a virtual world as we clearly saw at the start of the game. They're being controlled by Robot mind similar to the matrix.

The wasteland isn't run by Pyramid no, the mechs there are left over from a previous war. The slavers come looking for Humans pick them up and then take them to Pyramid, but why they didn't take trips family and friends remained a mystery, but then it is a sadistic guy so...

There are lots of things they could do to make a new game, the people fixing up new york, other pyramids around the world other slaves need freeing etc. it takes me longer to understand things i'd need to see the ending again. i wasnt really paying attention fully to the end more than watching a guy talk and another guy type fast on a computer with plugs.

so were the people at the bottom in the pyramid in training for placement or something because they didnt look like they was doing anything but standing. when monkey put on that mask it sure didn't look like he wanted to "move"

how do you train these slaves to analyze the virtual vs the real since monkey was to entranced in the mask to respond to trip. you cant do a job and look at beautiful grass at the same time i guess the threat of termination/death answers that. but thats NOT something I'd like. I'd be to afraid of being killed by the pyramid to enjoy his mirage so in a sense this thing the pyramid calls good doesn't seem good at all

i hope in the next one that have communities. these slaves heading to the pyramid had to have come from somewhere. and if they have another pyramid id like to see controlled slavers doing its bidding!!?

mosin360
11-09-2010, 04:06 AM
I say she did the right thing. As the game showed, humans have been able to carve out a life and prosper until the mechs come to get them. The game really could've added a backstory fully explained so we'd connect to the story more. I can easily see them making a second game and I hope they do.

Easily one of the best games I've played lately. If I had to QQ about something, it would be the heavy amount of platforming in the last couple levels.

swatnflyz
11-11-2010, 02:56 PM
She did the wrong thing, and she even knew it but what kills me is the fact that Monkey didn't seem to mind. In my opinion Pigsy was the hero of this game.

acurate bob
12-11-2010, 07:30 PM
It's was the right thing to do. I would rather live in a real shitty world, than live in a false nice world.

But many of the enslaved may not be able to remember the real world. They may have mentally "deleted" it from their memories. Or they may not be able to adjust.

ohioman101
12-19-2010, 01:34 AM
And how long has trip supposed to have been on that slave ship that her father has died of stavation!? I might be wrong, but I took it that her father committed suicide. He didn't exactly look like he starved to death, the way he was positioned made it look like he shot himself.
it takes me longer to understand things i'd need to see the ending again. i wasnt really paying attention fully to the end more than watching a guy talk and another guy type fast on a computer with plugs.

so were the people at the bottom in the pyramid in training for placement or something because they didnt look like they was doing anything but standing. when monkey put on that mask it sure didn't look like he wanted to "move"

how do you train these slaves to analyze the virtual vs the real since monkey was to entranced in the mask to respond to trip. you cant do a job and look at beautiful grass at the same time i guess the threat of termination/death answers that. but thats NOT something I'd like. I'd be to afraid of being killed by the pyramid to enjoy his mirage so in a sense this thing the pyramid calls good doesn't seem good at all The whole thing with the ending is that Pyramid took the memories of a person (the guy talking) and essentially used it to recreate Earth from the past. The people with the masks on were living in that world, as though the war with the mechs never happened. They are living normal lives, and that's what Pyramid wanted. It didn't want people to have to live in a Wasteland, but in a world where they can have jobs, families, etc.

OT: I think Trip did do the right thing. I know I wouldn't want to live in a dream my whole life, no matter how crappy the real world is. However, I think Pyramid had a good intention, but just went about doing it the wrong way.

OptimusPrime76
12-19-2010, 02:32 AM
I thought the ending was a bit of a cop out to be honest, just felt like a rip off of the matrix.

I know that andy serkis voiced monkey so when I first saw the images when I was collecting the masks and saw andy serkis I was expecting the images to be linked to monkeys past life or something sobwas expecting a different ending.

Plus I never understood what happened to trips village, was it simply destroyed by a mech attack? It was implied the slavers killed them so if they were rescuing them why kill them? This would have been a great bit of dlc, to discover exactly what happened to them.

Despite all the above I absolutely loved the game. Good overall story (despite my thoughts on the ending), lovely graphics depicting a wonderful post apocalyptic world, great characters and voice acting and some satisfying platform and combat action.

I loved monkey magic the tv series as a kid and this was a great alternative take on these much loved characters.

SpinelesS
12-22-2010, 05:58 PM
I think she did the right thing at the end, its causing the ship to crash killing almost everyone on it at the start of the game that I think was wrong.

A virtual world, no matter how detailed is stagnant. without real world testing, technology wouldnt advance. Without that posibility life truely is pointless.


As for the mech's, they were a tool of the old world. Some of the current Mech's are controlled by the Pyramid like they originally would have been, and Some are probably still running on their old orders of Killing the enemy, defending a position, etc.


as for the "slave ship" at the start, that could simply be a refering to the ship being slaved to a central control (pyramid)

EDIT: though that doesn't really explain the "affirmative slave 949" bit you hear shortly after it, or the grading of slaves etc. Though that does bring up another question. Why is monkey called a prisoner, and not a slave? just because he isn't wearing a headband at the time?

Maybe there is more than 1 slaver faction...

F Swan
12-30-2010, 02:59 PM
Plus I never understood what happened to trips village, was it simply destroyed by a mech attack? It was implied the slavers killed them so if they were rescuing them why kill them? This would have been a great bit of dlc, to discover exactly what happened to them.



Perhaps because the villagers didn't surrender that they were killed for fighting back? Maybe some of them were taken to be slaves.
I guess the mechs if attacked would just attack until the target is dead, no surrender possible if fired upon.
There is alot of unanswered questions I think, although I really enjoyed the story.
I'm not even sure if I think she did the right thing, initially I thought she did wrong, not so sure now.

Tsukasa117
01-04-2011, 03:34 AM
It was a matter of living the lie or suffering the reality in all honesty this threw me back to the Matrix when it happened. My opinion if she did the right thing yes, should she of made the decision for all those thousands(possibly millions) of others no. In the end its there decision whether they can face the reality or not and those who cant well...you all know were I'm going with this.

TJP
01-05-2011, 01:45 PM
Trip made the correct decision. Who wants to live a life where dreams replace reality? What kind of life is that to stand around living through the memories of others?

Don't forget these people were hunted down and rounded up against their will, graded whilst being processed (think back to the opening chapter where the higher grade slaves are asked to move. We never find out what the grading means, sadly). Those who did not submit to this new life are killed.

Fusirion
01-09-2011, 10:46 PM
Myeah I guess she did the right thing. But I wonder if the slaves reallyw ant to live in a world like that at all. But at least there is hope for rebuilding now. She couldhave at least let monkey make up it's mind first though haha.

it's beautifull.. wait what bluescreen?

maur1c1o
01-19-2011, 01:29 PM
I really enjoyed the game i thought the story could have had more it was too short and basic hopel theres will be a number 2 i personally loved the game and gameplay loved the cloud so reallly looking forward to a second one they have loads of possibilities they can go back to the past or the second can be about taking down the mechs finding the leader or something or like posted before free more slaves personally they need to have a better storyteller and have some twist add a couple of new fighting moves and some cool new mech and the second will be amazing it also needs to be a bit longer and no collecting freaken orbs lol

Gamma
01-19-2011, 08:26 PM
A lot of the story is left to the player's imagination, and this is what I came up with.

The war was a world war between humans, and the mechs were simply a tool of that war. After the humans finished killing each other to near extinction, and leaving the world in ruins, the mechs were simply left over without anyone to take commands from. It's like Monkey said, "Killing is all they know." However, some of the mechs, like the ones on the slave ship, are under Pyramid's control, and Pyramid uses those mechs to maintain control. So while the mechs in New York are simply mindless killers, the ones on board the Leviathan are there as security.

As for the humans on board the slave ships, Pyramid clearly states that they have jobs. I'm assuming people don't just always stand around staring into space. They still have to eat after all. Maybe the headbands are able to blend the virtual world with the real one so the humans can perform their work without even realizing anything is different. I'm still not sure why they're call slaves though or what the grading system means. You would have to think like an AI and use their logic though. Perhaps a person's behavior inside the virtual world determines how expendable they become in the real world. The A-Grade slaves are like the virtual world's VIPs. That's why A-Grade slaves were sent to escape pods, while B-Grade slaves were left to die.

Now on to the reason why Trip's village was wiped out. It's stated that the slaver ships fly all over the world searching for people to bring back to Pyramid. Most people would probably allow themselves to be captured instead of facing death at the hands of the mechs. I'm thinking that Trip's community didn't want to go. They were perfectly happy in their village, and were willing to fight to protect it. Once again you have to think like an AI, and see everything as black and white, or 1s and 0s. Any show of resistance from the humans would probably be seen as a threat to Pyramid's safety, and it would sooner eliminate the problem rather than risk an uprising. Sacrifice the few for the good of the many as it were.

Now on to the main question of the day. Did Trip do the right thing by destroying Pyramid? Honestly, no I don't think it was right, and I think it was rather selfish. She was thinking more about revenge than what everyone else would have wanted. Even though most people probably didn't come into the virtual world willingly, I bet quite a few of them were much happier once they got there. Hell, even Monkey looked like he was about to lose himself in it before Trip went human wrecking ball on the old man. She had no right to make that decision for everyone else. While Pyramid obviously had no right to do what they were doing either, I think people should have at least been given the choice of staying in the virtual world, or trying to build a future in the real world.

Yaymez
01-20-2011, 04:07 AM
Pyramid was full of good intentions and at the time, when the robots were at their peak of dominance, it was a perfect haven for humans.

However.

These humans were not just being plugged in, they were being used as slaves to man the slaver ships and so forth. We all saw the price paid for disobedience. No choice was given to any of these people.

If you look at the areas which did not have heavy mech presence you have a lush green paradise full of animals to hunt and eat, fruit and vegetables to consume and a clean environment to live in.

I would say she did all of the people in that structure and all of the people that were being used as pawns to facilitate bringing more into pyramid a massive favour.

Regardless of how utopian their mind-controlled lives were, they were still slaves.

maur1c1o
01-20-2011, 11:41 AM
Like yaymez pointed out she definitly did the right thing.

You are just a slave with the heaadband on theres no choices and if you disobeyed an order then the headband will kill you, so you don't have freedom you are doing what pyramid wants or trip in monkey's case LOL therefore how can a person be happy. So yeah she definitly did the right thing and its definitly a game where you need to fill in the story to your own imagination personally i loved it that wished there was more to the story it was too short

DarkReign2021
01-23-2011, 03:06 AM
You can't just live in a fantasy world forever (funny coming from a guy that spends every free minute of his day playing videogames.) It's good to have hopes and dreams and it's alright to occasionally have a means of escaping, but what good are those dreams if you can never attempt to fulfill them. There's an entire army of humans out there, included one very powerful human named Monkey, ready to take back Earth from the mechs one city at a time and to begin rebuilding civilization from the ground up.

Trip is proof that computers and technology in general aren't an extinct practice, so there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to return to a lifestyle similar to what we have in real-life. The miles and miles of mech shrapnel could be melted down and used in the construction of new and superior buildings to the concrete jungle that inhabits the first half of the game. All it takes is a leader willing to stand up and lead the masses to making a brighter future for the generations in decades to come.

Neverender
01-30-2011, 03:44 PM
I think she did the right thing. Everyone there was a slave in some context. The mere fact that the Pyramid guy referred to them as slaves should give an indication that they were doing something against their will.

And abducting (or possibly killing based on Trip's village, but that might have been the rogue mechs) people to join their utopia? I don't know about you, but that just seems wrong. If someone doesn't want to be a part of your society, they shouldn't be shoved into it and forced to join, no matter how great you think it is.

Another point: The Pyramid was just a virtual reality. If everyone stayed in their little virtual reality world, the Pyramid would be overrun eventually. Sure, they have defenses, but the Leviathan annihilated their defense system. That leaves them wide open for an attack, and even if they do rebuild their defenses, something else will come along to destroy it eventually, and they'll all die. You could enlist the slaves to fight, but then you're making them fight for a cause they don't believe in or may not even know exists. And in the meantime, the real world will rot. Does that really sound like utopia? Is that really a life you'd want to live?

Furthermore, what would happen when the Pyramid leader died? The world would be devastated, and these slaves would have no idea what to do, where they were, or what reality was. The future of any human civilization would be riding on one man's back, and he's using it to coerce people into a virtual reality, full of empty promises and white lies.

Then, there's the most blatant problem, that you're depriving people of their lives. Freedom is a basic human right, and it's being sucked into a virtual program. If it was voluntary there wouldn't be a problem, but it's obviously not, so there is.

To me, it's just an example of failed utilitarianism. The idea looks great on paper, but when it's tried it fails miserably, like what you saw in the game.

Mr Popek
02-02-2011, 06:49 PM
I liked the ending. Pyramid was created for people to live in a "dream", like in Matrix...

I hope they make 2nd part, i loved this game and i hope they explain more about the world and how pyramid created the robots or who...

Gamma
02-03-2011, 07:44 AM
I agree that Pyramid was wrong for forcing those people into the virtual reality. However, doesn't that mean that Trip is also wrong for forcing them out of it? I believe that freedom is all about choice, and I believe that each and every one of those slaves should have been allowed to choose if they wanted to stay in the virtual world, or leave and face the real world.

You have to imagine what's awaiting them in the real world. The population of the Earth has been reduced to 50,000. How many of those people would die in the war to exterminate the mechs? And exterminating the mechs might not even be possible since it's stated that they can self replicate. And how many more of those people would die of thirst and starvation? The game implies that food and drinkable water is not exactly easy to come by. Trip's village was able to provide for themselves, but like Trip said, they were a closed ecosystem with very few people.

If people want to spend their lives trying to bring the world back from the brink of extinction, then more power to them. However, the sad truth is that the world may be too far gone to save. If this was the case, wouldn't you rather live in a lie rather than in a world without hope? At least then you might be able to find a little happiness and meaning for your life instead of wandering the wastelands waiting for the end.

So like I said before, I don't believe that Trip had the right to make that decision for all those people.

Neverender
02-03-2011, 03:39 PM
I believe that freedom is all about choice, and I believe that each and every one of those slaves should have been allowed to choose if they wanted to stay in the virtual world, or leave and face the real world.
I agree, but I don't think they were given a choice. They were abducted from their homes, put in slave ships, and migrated en masse to the Pyramid. Monkey and Trip were about half way through the journey when they escaped, and they obviously didn't get a choice.

You have to imagine what's awaiting them in the real world. The population of the Earth has been reduced to 50,000. How many of those people would die in the war to exterminate the mechs? And exterminating the mechs might not even be possible since it's stated that they can self replicate. And how many more of those people would die of thirst and starvation? The game implies that food and drinkable water is not exactly easy to come by. Trip's village was able to provide for themselves, but like Trip said, they were a closed ecosystem with very few people.
Based on the mech populace of the Leviathan and the mega-scorpion mechs, people can also control mechs. Not a whole lot would have to die if they made a massive production line of mechs and gradually expanded their civilization. They could use the Pyramid as a base since it's already got a large defense system, and it seems to be self-sufficient as well in terms of resources since it supports a massive population.

If people want to spend their lives trying to bring the world back from the brink of extinction, then more power to them. However, the sad truth is that the world may be too far gone to save. If this was the case, wouldn't you rather live in a lie rather than in a world without hope? At least then you might be able to find a little happiness and meaning for your life instead of wandering the wastelands waiting for the end.
Any happiness or meaning you found would be a lie, just as much so as your life. Your entire existence would be nothing more than data. I would rather go down fighting for something I care about than living in a mindless society of nothingness. If there isn't any hope, then you have to start it and make a difference. Even if you die, other people will continue what you started, and once something like that gets rolling, there's no stopping it.

So like I said before, I don't believe that Trip had the right to make that decision for all those people.
I know opinions will differ, and I'm not so much trying to sway your opinion as explain why I disagree. Plus, it's just a fun debate to have :)

Gamma
02-03-2011, 11:53 PM
I agree, but I don't think they were given a choice. They were abducted from their homes, put in slave ships, and migrated en masse to the Pyramid. Monkey and Trip were about half way through the journey when they escaped, and they obviously didn't get a choice. Exactly. None of them were given a choice by either Pyramid, or by Trip. Obviously Pyramid was much more in the wrong because of the kidnappings and murders like you said though.

Based on the mech populace of the Leviathan and the mega-scorpion mechs, people can also control mechs. Not a whole lot would have to die if they made a massive production line of mechs and gradually expanded their civilization. They could use the Pyramid as a base since it's already got a large defense system, and it seems to be self-sufficient as well in terms of resources since it supports a massive population. I think the mega-scorpions were being controlled remotely by Pyramid, but now you make me wonder if there are wild mega-scorpions wandering the wastelands. O_o And if that's the case, then even another Leviathan couldn't stand up to all of them. Plus you couldn't really use another Leviathan or mega-scorpions to do away with the smaller mechs. That's like using C4 to get rid of a beehive. It's just overkill, and would probably just end up destroying the Earth even more.

Any happiness or meaning you found would be a lie, just as much so as your life. Your entire existence would be nothing more than data. I would rather go down fighting for something I care about than living in a mindless society of nothingness. If there isn't any hope, then you have to start it and make a difference. Even if you die, other people will continue what you started, and once something like that gets rolling, there's no stopping it. I suppose it would depend on the kind of person you are. Personally, I would probably want to go out fighting too. But it's like you said, people shouldn't be forced to fight for a cause that they don't believe in. For some people, there's just no way for them to find happiness or meaning in the post-apocalyptic world, especially now that they've been exposed to the pre-apocalyptic world. Some people might even be driven mad after being ripped from the fantasy to which they've become accustomed. Like Pyramid said, most of those people had lives and families inside the virtual world. Even though it may not be real, it sure feels real to them.

I hate to use the Matrix as an example here since it's been compared to this game a million times already, but look what happened with the character of Cypher. He was willing to do anything to return to his fake life, even murder all of his shipmates. I'm sure more than a few of those slaves would have similar reactions. You just never can tell with people sometimes.

I know opinions will differ, and I'm not so much trying to sway your opinion as explain why I disagree. Plus, it's just a fun debate to have :) Oh I know, and I'm the same way. I always enjoy a good point counterpoint, especially when it involves a story as awesome as this one. It's the main reason I loved the ending too because it paves the way for discussions like this thread has. I've been wanting to talk to my friends about it, but I can't get any of them to play the game. XD

Neverender
02-04-2011, 01:42 AM
I think the mega-scorpions were being controlled remotely by Pyramid, but now you make me wonder if there are wild mega-scorpions wandering the wastelands. O_o And if that's the case, then even another Leviathan couldn't stand up to all of them. Plus you couldn't really use another Leviathan or mega-scorpions to do away with the smaller mechs. That's like using C4 to get rid of a beehive. It's just overkill, and would probably just end up destroying the Earth even more.
Never thought of it that way, but if humanity was dedicated to surviving, they could definitely make at least a significant dent in the mech population. Quoting music would sound kind of cheesy in this situation, but "Rise or Die Trying" seems to be fitting for the scenario.

I suppose it would depend on the kind of person you are. Personally, I would probably want to go out fighting too. But it's like you said, people shouldn't be forced to fight for a cause that they don't believe in. For some people, there's just no way for them to find happiness or meaning in the post-apocalyptic world, especially now that they've been exposed to the pre-apocalyptic world. Some people might even be driven mad after being ripped from the fantasy to which they've become accustomed. Like Pyramid said, most of those people had lives and families inside the virtual world. Even though it may not be real, it sure feels real to them.
I wouldn't suggest throwing people into war, but attempting to inspire people to action. Some people still wouldn't want to help, and you can't blame them for that, but what else could they do? They could mope around all day or do something about it, and when they did something it would be beneficial to this movement.

You would lose some people in the transition back to reality, but Pyramid is to blame for that. We don't know how realistic it was or how many people there were in Pyramid, so it's impossible to get an accurate estimate of the number lost, but I would assume you'd still have a substantial force afterwards.

I hate to use the Matrix as an example here since it's been compared to this game a million times already, but look what happened with the character of Cypher. He was willing to do anything to return to his fake life, even murder all of his shipmates. I'm sure more than a few of those slaves would have similar reactions. You just never can tell with people sometimes.
Believe it or not, I've never seen the Matrix (it's on my Blockbuster que >.<), but I can imagine. Again, that relates back to not knowing how realistic the Pyramid was, what the effects of detachment are, and the number of people attached. I'm assuming we'll find these out if there's a sequel, but we don't know for sure, so it's hard to make an estimate on that.

Oh I know, and I'm the same way. I always enjoy a good point counterpoint, especially when it involves a story as awesome as this one. It's the main reason I loved the ending too because it paves the way for discussions like this thread has. I've been wanting to talk to my friends about it, but I can't get any of them to play the game. XD
All my friends say they'll get around to it eventually, but they're also the people who clock countless hours on Reach or BlOps multiplayer, so I'm pessimistic they'll actually do it. I feel your pain.

ShermanJames
04-09-2011, 06:34 AM
I think she did. Like so many have posted, living a false life would not be good for anyone.

And Ninja Theory has stated that a #2 was never planned on and they put the whole story in this game. They said it is possible but not very likely. The game would have had to have been overly successful for there to be a second one!

http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2010/10/29/enslaved-2-videogame-not-expected-but-possible-says-ninja-theory.htm

What Ninja Theory said in 2010 is linked above!

ThePumpkinKing
04-09-2011, 05:00 PM
Personally, I could care less about a sequel. They've done everything they could do with the story. Everyone lives happily ever after. I'd be more interested in a PREQUEL. Explaining how Monkey and Trip ended up on that ship. I'd love to see a game that focuses solely on Monkey. His character is probably one of the more well thought out, superbly acted characters I've seen in a while. And that just screams for another game with him in it.

HaxnBayer
04-11-2011, 09:52 PM
I agree to Gamma! This decision is not in Trips hands! But on the other site, who is in position to do such a decision?

I would prefer to live in a dream then in a destroyed world ruled by Mechs.

Strider16
04-13-2011, 06:44 PM
I say yes and no.

Yes - There slaves. It's not something you'd want being held against your will. Therefore it makes them a slave and doesn't allow them to have an opinion on the matter.

No - In the wasteland, what if one of those people using the virtual reality (not sure of the storyline, completed ages ago) have nothing left in the wasteland? What if there family were taken, lost or died? The dreaming and the virtual reality becomes there life as they have nothing to lose, as it's there in that virtual reality being lived. Something they might want rather than trying to rebuild knowing your loss is personal.

ThePumpkinKing
04-13-2011, 07:05 PM
I can't believe some of you people. You'd rather live in a fantasy world where your freedom is forfeit? That insane. I'd rather live free. Be the master of my own destiny. I'd die before I give up my freedom. Regardless of how sugar coated the offer of slavery might be.

SilentlyAwesome
04-16-2011, 09:05 AM
I don't know. I just finished the game. And I'm also not sure any of what I'm about to type will make any sense, as I haven't had time to give it much thought yet.

An individual's reality is just a matter of perspective. Yes, in Trip's reality all of these people were captured and forced into a virtual reality. But that was no longer the reality of the people hooked up to the masks. They lived in a different reality that was apparently all rainbows and sunshine. It wasn't fake to them. Was it right of Trip to decide that their reality was the wrong one? Not really. But it wasn't right of Andy Serkis to force them out of their reality and into his either.

But what I am curious about, were they really "forced" into this reality? Yes, they were kidnapped, but we were never shown if they were given the choice of the new reality or not once they got there. I mean, when Monkey is given the mask, he seems genuinely content and doesn't resist at all. Were they really slaves, or not?

I think Trip's decision was more about her own personal vendetta against Pyramid for killing her father. Which is understandable.

Also, while I love Trip as a character, she was perfectly okay with "enslaving" Monkey for her own ends, but when Pyramid does it he is evil?

I don't know. The ending is left purposefully ambiguous. And it kind of makes me mad. Would even a little closure have killed them?

jules the great
05-02-2011, 03:42 PM
Hell no she didnt do the right thing! Just like the Matrix movies, keep me plugged in! Ignorance is bliss.

Opiate42
05-02-2011, 04:09 PM
Regardless of how utopian their mind-controlled lives were, they were still slaves.

This ^^ Completely agree it was the right thing to do, she may not have had the "right" to make the decision as some have said, but she was the only one in a position to make it and a decision to keep them as slaves or release them had to be made. Anyone with the right to make that decision were either slaves or dead.

Monkey was getting brainwashed by the mask and the beautiful old world it showed him. He would have been lost as well if Trip hadn't ripped the old guy apart. It wasn't just a vendetta for her father, she'd grown attached to Monkey and was saving him too. She lost her father, her entire community and Pigsy, and I think she'd be damned if she was going to lose her only remaining friend too. I don't question her motivations.

I'm confused on one thing, weren't the mechs controlled by the slavers? There were combat mechs on the slaver ship at the beginning. I thought the mechs were just Slaver tools?

If that's the case, then when Trip shut down Pyramid, then theoretically the mechs would either be shut down or lose their central control programming/orders. Not sure which, if they didn't shut down, who knows how they'd react without central control.

If they shut down and were no longer a problem, humanity can escape the pyramid and rebuild without threats of mech attacks.

That Trip was enslaving Monkey to get her home, she was struggling with that the whole game, she understood what she was doing was hypocritical. But she also knew she couldn't survive on her own and Monkey was an unknown at the time. Use what tools you have on hand.

In the end when she released him he told her to reconnect of his own choice. They were in the shit together and he wanted to see it through and protect her. Empathy and caring.

I would definitely be interested in a prequel or a sequel, there's a lot of this universe that seems worth exploring.

xFortyseven
06-21-2011, 11:25 AM
It has come to my attention that the thread title may be a minor spoiler. At the time I started this thread I thought that the title was vague enough not to spoil anything, but it seems that I was mistaken. If anyone else has had their experienced ruined by this I apologize; this was never my intention. If a mod would change the title of the thread it would be much appreciated.

softkarma
08-01-2011, 11:14 AM
Personally, I could care less about a sequel. They've done everything they could do with the story. Everyone lives happily ever after. I'd be more interested in a PREQUEL. Explaining how Monkey and Trip ended up on that ship. I'd love to see a game that focuses solely on Monkey. His character is probably one of the more well thought out, superbly acted characters I've seen in a while. And that just screams for another game with him in it.

I agree, would be much more interesting a prequel that can tell more about the story...

Gypsie
08-03-2011, 11:09 AM
Absolutely.

Its always going to be a hard decision, but I would always rather have the truth and have it lead to hard times than be lied to to keep me in a little safe bubble.

Zarcaic
10-04-2011, 04:59 PM
Pyramid had good intentions, but I think it was right to unplug those machines. You cannot live in a virtual world while the world around you rots away. Granted I don't see the slaves from Pyramid building a very good future because they have lived such a sheltered life from Pyramid, granted I don't know if there are any Mechs left. Great game, great story, I want to get my hands on the book!

MasterXanthan
01-30-2012, 04:33 PM
I think Trip did the right thing. Seems better to try and rebuild the real world rather than just live in a virtual world.

outlyer
02-12-2012, 07:26 PM
Would you stay in The Matrix? Take the Red pill or the Blue pill? She didn't do right or wrong, it depends on your personal beliefs.

Me, I was waiting to regain control of Monkey so I could kill the frigging Pyramid :D

hydrosugar
03-11-2012, 08:51 AM
I was just waiting for her to do it. I would have been very disappointed if she didn't. It would've been like PoP 2008 where a decision made at the end made everything you did in the game absolutely useless.

HoliestEd
04-03-2013, 04:05 PM
I can see the argument for leaving people plugged in but I think she did the right thing. People should be free to choose.

lukeather
07-22-2013, 08:40 PM
I thought it was going to give us a choice after we see what Monkey sees. I felt like Trip made the wrong decision and ruined the ending, she didn't even see what Monkey dd.

plecomad
09-15-2013, 10:11 PM
hell yeah she did the right thing i would rather strugle with the truth than live a lie

THC BLUNTED
01-21-2014, 09:11 PM
I thought the ending was a lot like the matrix. Im sure there are a lot of people who would of rather stayed plugged in but I feel the majority would rather have freedom. Humans are very resiliant and I think they would have found a way and started to recreate society.

I was more interested in what happened to Monkey and Trip? The game just ended right after that scene and it left me wondering what happened to them and their relationship.