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Yunder
01-17-2011, 11:56 PM
Overview:
-Estimated achievement difficulty: 4/10
-Offline: 1/15 (10:gsicon:)
-Online: 14/15 (190:gsicon:)
-Approximate amount of time to 100:gsicon:: 10-15 hours
-Minimum number of playthroughs needed: No playthroughs required
-Number of missable achievements: None
-Do cheat codes disable achievements?: No Cheats
-Does difficulty affect achievements?: No difficulty setting
-Glitchy achievements: None
-Unobtainable achievements: None
-Extra equipment needed?: No

Introduction:
The Liar's and Cheats DLC from Rockstar is available for download from the XBL Marketplace for 800 Microsoft points. The DLC contains no glitchy/unobtainable achievements, although the DLC will require quite a bit of boosting/grinding. Almost all achievements are online-only, except for one achievement; Master Exploder. If you are looking for any help to require the full 100:gsicon:, be sure to check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291)for boosting partners.

Single Player:
The only singleplayer achievement to worry about is the Master Exploder achievement. The achievement requires you to complete the Explosive Rifle challenges in singleplayer. There are 5 different challenges to complete. The first challenge is to purchase the rifle. It is available for purchase from Blackwater's Blacksmith. See the achievement's description for more information on the achievement.

Multiplayer:
Multiplayer is where Liar's and Cheats really shines. With the inclusion of Liar's Dice, Poker, and Races, you'll have a blast with each new addition. Most achievements are straightforward and easy, however there are a couple that will take a little bit of grinding, a few boosting partners and a little perseverance. Each minigame has achievements related to it, and are quite simple to unlock. Pa-Pa-Pa-Poker Ace and Compulsive Liar, however, require a FULL game (6 players each minigame) and will take the most time to complete. Stronghold is a new gametype that also brings in some new achievements. These CAN be earned in a Private match, so the only problem will be to find the correct amount of people to boost it. Boosting partners can be found in the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291).

Conclusion:
Liars and Cheats is a fair DLC for what you pay for. There's plenty of new things around, and can easily be played by all. The achievements are a tad painstaking, and could have been quite easier, if Rockstar gave them a little more thought. Keep playing, (and checking the Achievement Trading Threads) and the DLC will be completed in no time.


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Complete the Explosive Rifle Single Player Challenge

There are 5 challenges to complete for the Explosive Rifle. After you've finished all 5 challenges, the achievement will unlock. The challenges are as follows;

1. Purchase the Explosive Rifle
The Explosive Rifle can be bought from the Gunsmith in Blackwater. It's price will be one of three options;


$5,000
$10,000
$15,000

The price will depend on your fame. (Honor?) The higher your fame is, the lower the price of the gun is. Being negative in fame will cause the rifle to be $15,000. Somewhere around Neutral will cause the rifle to cost $10,000. Be extremely positive, and the rifle will cost $5,000. If you happen to have very low fame, and low money, try and bring your Fame up. You can do this by wearing the Elegant suit, cheating at Poker and shooting the gun out of your opponent's hand during the duel after being caught. If you play at MacFarlane's Ranch, the buy-in is only $10. Repeat this over and over until you are at high enough Fame where you can buy the rifle at $5,000.

2. Kill 5 Enemies while they are in cover
After you've purchased the Explosive Rifle, you'll need to kill 5 enemies while they are in cover. Traveling to the nearest hideout is the easiest way to find enemies. When an enemy is in cover, they'll be out of sight, and hiding behind something. This is when you must take your shot. Repeat 5 times, and the challenge should be complete.

3. Kill 3 Enemies With One Shot
Killing 3 enemies with one shot may seem like an improbable task, but it is much easier than it seems. Hog-tying 3 enemies and placing them within a spot where they're all next to each other, will do the trick. Shooting your enemies from a higher point may make the job easier, but that is down to personal preference.

4. Kill Two Wild Animals
Killing any type of wild animal will work. Vultures will spawn after you've completed a hideout, bait can attract different types of animals, and finding random spawning animals all work well. Be sure to use Dead Eye when you're trying to shoot a hard target.

5. Kill an Enemy While Wearing the US Army Outfit
First, you'll need to have unlocked the US Army Outfit. This outfit is tied to the Redeemed achievement. For information on how to unlock it, check this thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=231746). You can change your outfits at your nearest Bed. Change into the outfit, and kill an enemy.

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In a full Multiplayer Poker game, beat the table when blinds are at maximum

The maximum amount of people at a Poker game is 6 people, so be sure to have 5 other people ready before you even attempt this achievement. Depending on which Poker table you play at, the buy-ins (and maximums) will be different. Playing at Macfarlane's Ranch is the cheapest buy-ins, so starting there is recommended. The Maximum blinds at Macfarlane's Ranch is 32 for Small and 64 for Big.

Now, once you have all 6 people at the table in a private poker game, you can go about getting this achievement one of three ways:



Have everyone fold, every hand. This isn't really recommended as it takes longer because 6 people have to fold every hand.
Have 4 people bust out and then the 2 remaining people fold every hand. This can go by really fast if you get lucky, but then again, it can also go somewhat slow. Chances are, only one or two people will bust out per hand if everyone goes all in because the game gives out at least one side pot. In order to do this, however, you will have to have 5 people go all in and then one person fold in order to ensure there are at least 2 remaining people in the game. Once everyone busts out, the game will go by faster and you won't have to worry about inviting everyone back into the game once it is completed, but it can be frustrating trying to set this up.
Have 4 people quit, leaving just the host and the dealer of that hand. The host can be the dealer, so if this is the case, just have one other person stay. This is the fastest way to complete each game, but after you will have to get everybody back into the room and start it again, which can be annoying.


The easiest way is probably the third option, but there have been some reports that quitting voids the achievement, so attempt this at your own risk.

Once there are two people remaining in the game, when there is a small blind of 32 and a big blind of 64, have the remaining person who is not getting the achievement put all of his chips except one into the pot, have the next person call, and then have the person who put almost all of his chips in fold. Now, the person not getting the achievement will have to go all in every hand and the person getting the achievement will only lose a few chips maximum if he loses the hand. The reason for this is because you can only win twice the amount of chips you put in with two people in the game so the person getting the achievement has no risk of actually losing all of his chips. Keep completing hands until the person who's getting the achievement actually wins. The achievement will unlock once you stand up from your seat.

It takes a few hours to get all 6 people the achievement if everyone at the table needs/wants it. It takes about a half hour for just one person to get it, and that's just the in-game time, that's not including setting the game up.

Yunder
01-19-2011, 05:23 AM
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In a Multiplayer Poker game, win a hand by forcing someone with a better hand to fold

This achievement can be earned while in a Private game. The amount of players does not matter. Set up a Poker game, be sure that your partner has the better hand, and have him fold. The achievement should pop up immediately afterward.

Be sure to check the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291) for boosting partners.

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In a Multiplayer Poker game, win a hand on the last card when you were losing prior

This achievement is luck-based, and can be earned randomly. This is best done with 2 people, as your luck chances are increased with the smallest amount of players. To increase your chances of winning the achievement, play each card until the hand is over. Be sure neither player folds out, as this will decrease your chances. Also, have communication between each player so you know who has what cards.

Check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291) for boosting partners.

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In a full Multiplayer Liar's Dice game, win without losing a single die

You will need a total of 6 people for a full Liar's Dice game. The fastest way to have everyone lose their die is to make spot-on calls. Have whoever is going for the achievement to make the Spot-on call. If the call is made correctly, everyone BUT the player going for the achievement will lose 1 die. Repeat this 5 more times, and the person will earn the achievement after everyone is beaten.

If the person going for the achievement is far along in the group, continue to make fake bets until one player before whoever is going for the achievement. At this point, everyone will need to communicate to GUARANTEE that the correct amount is on the table. (Every should call out the number of 1s they have.) Once it is correct, have the player going for the achievement make the Spot-on call. If correct, everyone will lose 1 die.

Be sure to check the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291) for boosting partners.

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In a single Multiplayer Liar's Dice game, successfully make a spot-on call

You can make a spot-on call by pressing http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/../images/misc/y.png. When making a spot-on call, you are saying that the last bet made by the previous player is 100% correct. If that person says that there are 4 5s on the table, (and its correct) you can make a spot-on call. If correct, everyone will lose a die. The achievement should unlock immediately after the play is pronounced correct.

This is best done in a Private match. Two players is most recommended, as the less amount of players, the less amount of die on the table. So, check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291) for partners.


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In a Multiplayer Liar's Dice game, win with only one die left

This achievement can be done with any amount of players, but is best done with two, as the less amount of players, the less time it will take to finish the match. So, set up a Private Liar's Dice match, and have each player lose their dice until they have one left. Have whoever is going for the achievement lose their last die, and the person will unlock the achievement after the game is over.

If you do happen to have more than 3 people going for this achievement, then using the Spot-on method will make the match move a lot faster. Check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=259291) if you need boosting partners.

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Get first place in all races in any Grand Prix

Multiple races make up one Grand Prix. The shortest Grand Prix is the Rathskellter Fork. The are only 3 races here instead of 4 in every other Grand Prix. Finish each race in first place and the achievement will unlock after the last race.

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Finish a single race without getting shot or killed, and without shooting a bullet

During the start of any race, players won't be able to shoot/fire a bullet until 5 second after the race has started. After the first 5 seconds is up, the race will be guns-free. Be sure to NOT take out your gun. If your gun is equipped, unequip it. Finish the race, and the achievement will unlock.

This achievement can be unlocked after a Free-Roam session is started. The number of players in the race does not matter, as long as no bullets are fired at one another.
(http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/../game/red-dead-redemption/achievement/43487-Triple-Crown-.html)

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During a Grand Prix, finish a race in first after placing last in the previous race.

The amount of players does not matter, as long as you finish the race in last place. Come in last place, and place in first in the next race. This can be earned in a private match.

Check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=259291) for boosting partners.

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While on defense, do not allow the attacking team to capture any of their objectives

You can easily get this at the same time as Avatar of Death if you are boosting. Once the match starts, just let the time run out. If you are on defense, you will get the achievement at the end of the round. Then just do the same for the next round, or, if everyone got Avatar of Death, you can try to get Legion of Boom, just as long as no one captures the objectives.

Check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=259291) for boosting partners.
(http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/../game/red-dead-redemption/achievement/43491-Avatar-of-Death.html)

Yunder
02-01-2011, 02:38 PM
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Successfully complete either round of a Stronghold map without dying

There are two rounds to be played in the Stronghold gametype; Attackers and Defenders. Each round is 3 minutes long. As long as you do not die throughout the entire course of the match, the achievement will unlock after the match is over. This can be earned in Private matches.

Check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=259291) for boosting partners.

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Get a triple kill while on the attacking team in Stronghold

You'll need to act fast to attain a triple kill. The fastest method of getting one is using Dynamite. You'll need to have at least 4 people for this achievement. You can set up a Private Stronghold match and still earn the achievement. Be sure the match is 3 vs. 1 by having 3 people be in one posse and the person going for the achievement not be in a posse. Have all players stand in one spot, throw the dynamite, and the triple kill will be yours.

Check out the Achievement Trading Thread (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=259291) for boosting partners.

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Attain over 9,001 points in a single Free Roam session

Although the achievement's description says you must earn over 9,001 points, it fails to say that the points are the same thing as Experience Points. So, technically, you must earn 9,001 experience points total.

Whenever you are in a Free Roam session, you will earn experience points by doing various activities. Completing Hideouts, killing civilians or killing other players will earn you experience. Whatever method you choose, it will be a bit of a grind to earn over 9,001 points. You can check your progress by hitting up on the D-PAD.

Completing Pike's Basin (hideout) is the fastest way to earn points. By completing the hideout, you earn anywhere from 600-1500 points. How much points you earn depends on how well you complete the hideout. Killing more enemies, not dying, etc. All this effects your points.

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Attain over 50,000 posse points in a single Free Roam session

Although the achievement's description says you must earn over 50,000 Posse points, it fails to say that Posse Points are the same thing as Experience Points. So, technically, you must earn 9,001 experience points.

For this achievement, you'll need to earn a total of 50,000 points as a Posse. For obvious reasons, having more members in your posse will make the achievement much easier to obtain. The more team members you have, the less points everyone must earn. Completing hideouts is the fastest way to earn points. Pike's Basin will earn you a good 1000-2000 points per run, depending on how many other people are completing it with you, whereas Twin Rocks will earn you 200-500 points. However, Twin Rocks is much faster to complete.

Distribute your team mates throughout all hideouts and the achievement will be yours in no time.

Venomized
02-02-2011, 07:03 AM
Nice Guide. Even though there has been another guide up for a while, this one is a bit more detailed.

Yunder
02-03-2011, 01:36 AM
Nice Guide. Even though there has been another guide up for a while, this one is a bit more detailed.

That's why I made it. (:

TrishTheDish
02-28-2011, 01:07 AM
Offline: 1/10 (10:gsicon:)
-Online: 9/10 (190:gsicon:)


Shouldn't it be Offline 1/15, Online 14/15?

Yunder
02-28-2011, 03:22 AM
Offline: 1/10 (10:gsicon:)
-Online: 9/10 (190:gsicon:)


Shouldn't it be Offline 1/15, Online 14/15?

Aye, that it would. Not sure where I got 10 achievements from...Either way, cheers. :)

LordOdadjian
03-30-2011, 05:10 PM
The achievement guide needs some refinement. The poker achievement guides are very lacklustre in my opinion. They do little to explain what exactly the game wants. Instead, the achievement guide just gives you a mindless step-by-step recipe for getting the achievement. But what if you just wanted to do it legit... you'd have absolutely NO idea what to do given the way the achievement guide is written.

The Poker Ace achievement desperately needs more information on maximum blinds. We need to insert the info that the maximum blind is always 32 times the starting blind. And it would also help to actually say what the maximum blinds are for each poker area (for example, at MacFarlane ranch, it's 64). And it would also be nice to actually explain how the blind system works. They are (I think) mandatory bets and the blind amount is increased every 5 to 7 hands. After each set of 5 to 7 hands, the blind amount is multiplied by 2, until you get to 32 times the original amount.

And the Van Down By The River... just saying it's luck based seriously isn't enough. For someone with not a lot of poker knowledge they'll have no idea what to do to get the achievement, or what the game means by "last card." You gotta put in a line or two about the five-card system in Texas Hold-em. You start with 3 cards on the table, then after a little betting a 4th card is put down. And after some more betting a 5th card is put down. To get the Van Down By The River achievement you need to have a losing hand when you combine your own two cards and the 4 cards on the table right before the 5th (and last) card is put down. If, as soon as the 5th card is put down, you all of a sudden have a better hand than your opponent, then you just need to win your hand, and poof, achievement unlocked.

transformer809
03-30-2011, 05:12 PM
i tried the poker achievement for an hour and didn't get any of them.

xI SoulTaker Ix
11-08-2011, 10:23 PM
nice thanks for the help

McDurbin
02-04-2012, 12:56 AM
So the only difference between your guide and mine is that you explain the dlc and give your opinion on it and put a hyperlink to the achievement trading thread? I don't see why mine got took down since I did it first. Guess its mods playing favorites. :rolleyes:

Annalie
03-01-2013, 02:49 AM
So the only difference between your guide and mine is that you explain the dlc and give your opinion on it and put a hyperlink to the achievement trading thread? I don't see why mine got took down since I did it first. Guess its mods playing favorites. :rolleyes:

Well duh, the one with the most information and quality will get picked.:rolleyes: