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FPS GLIMMER
02-28-2011, 04:04 PM
I was tingling with anticipation to play the dragon age demo and instead played this generic hack and slash game instead.




I have never been more dissapointed in a game in my whole life.... IMO dragon age 1 was a perfect game and they feel that they ruined it in the direction they took it. I will however still will be buying it because I am interested in the story. Dragon age 1 was good enough to keep me interested on the storyline to keep going.

twhiting9275
02-28-2011, 04:36 PM
Dragon Age is all about the story, always was, for me. That's one of the things that make me love running through it over and over again, from different perspectives

After playing through the demo, I really don't get why people complain so much about it, seriously. The turn based combat system is antiquated at best and needs to be revamped. Good on them for turning the game into something that isn't a copy of everything else.

The graphics amazed me. They're much, much better than the original, and the characters so far are very well built. Perfect? No, but nothing ever is, or will ever be.

iToastMan
02-28-2011, 04:41 PM
As others have said, it is all about the story for me.
I was a sceptical on some of the ideas on the game and took a while getting suing to certain things i can say that i think the game will still be brilliant.
I can get past things like your team not being able to equip armour you pick up and the loss of a few specialisations as long as the story is great and keeps me interested.
I played dragon age origins and found it boring the first time around, then i came back to it a few months ago and have been playing it since, if its a story like that i cant complain :)

KostinKid
02-28-2011, 04:43 PM
Don't knock the game because they made it playable.

twhiting9275
02-28-2011, 04:51 PM
I played dragon age origins and found it boring the first time around, then i came back to it a few months ago and have been playing it since, if its a story like that i cant complain :)

Same here, oddly enough.
I've owned the game 3 times. 2 360 (one system + all games got ripped off, talk about me = pissed), once through steam.

All 3 times, for some odd reason, I started the game, got about 1/3 to 1/2 into the story, and just quit, for months on end. The past couple weeks, though, every possible moment has been out there playing it, trying to get every achievement possible for it. Getting ready to run through for the third time tonight/tomorrow

FPS GLIMMER
02-28-2011, 05:27 PM
No question the story will be good. What I dont understand is how you say the graphics are better? I think they are worse. The battle animation seems choppy to me.


What was so bad about the battle system before? All they did now was make you feel like you where doing more but in actuallity your not. Your doing the same things but they added button mashing.

Let me explain.

In dragon age two you do NOT do any combo's by hitting different buttons, all you are is hitting a button to attack, and when your other attacks are refilled you hit those and wait for them to recharge. Whats the point? They just seem to be giving you more busy work. If you hit buttons in a sequence to do a combo attack and such, then it would make sense to change it. So what was really the point in changing it? TO make you feel more engaged in the story by you hitting the 8 button 10 times to kill an enemy?

PhantomNemesis
02-28-2011, 05:34 PM
The game is playable in the exact way as in Origins, it's been stated in various interviews etc.

The only reason you weren't able to play the demo using the old style gameplay is because many who disliked Origins combat system will again be put off and hamper sales.

It's all fine in the retail version, just have to wait for it.

iToastMan
02-28-2011, 05:48 PM
I didn't mind the graphics but i didn't pay much attention to them tbh.
The 'button mashing' also gives you the ability to close the gap between you and you enemy faster with the speed dashes and such, the one hit combat is still in there but the pressing of a makes you jump towards the enemy and such.
Also im guessing it wont be to much button mashing later on in the game when you are on higher difficulty's, with things like controlling your whole party's :)

Razzazzika
02-28-2011, 07:15 PM
Generic hack and slash? When I booted up the demo, I saw the same game as dragon age origins with two key differences: One, A was "attack" instead of "auto-attack" giving the game a much more actiony feel, but the ability system is still exactly the same. And two, it has mass effect's dialogue wheel. Oh, and the main character speaks, but I suppose that comes with the wheel.

jnthn87
02-28-2011, 08:05 PM
Ive played through the demo and I liked what I saw. No major gripes on my end but I do hope that they don't change the inventory system all that much.

Vanilla Coke Zero
02-28-2011, 08:10 PM
hey man, here's a thought; if you're too close-minded to appreciate what bioware has done, which is make DA's combat more fluid and enjoyable, then don't buy the game! simple as that, stop whining.

Pieville
03-01-2011, 09:28 AM
I prefer the new combat system, in DA:O the combat system bored me, all you did was watch your character fight while you occasionally used a skill/ability. Now it feels like your actually doing something when you fight.

Plus it was only the demo, I'm guessing they'll have some kind of option to enable auto-attack to give you the feeling of the original, which if they do, I would use it on one of my playthroughs.

KirbyTheAlmighty
03-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Plus it was only the demo, I'm guessing they'll have some kind of option to enable auto-attack to give you the feeling of the original, which if they do, I would use it on one of my playthroughs.

As it's been stated, they do have that option. It just wasn't in the demo.

TehGreyWolf
03-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Games generally improve when a sequel comes out and it is the case with this game aswell, personally I thought the demo was awesome a much improved version over the first.

CIKShock
03-01-2011, 04:05 PM
The game is playable in the exact way as in Origins, it's been stated in various interviews etc.

The only reason you weren't able to play the demo using the old style gameplay is because many who disliked Origins combat system will again be put off and hamper sales.

It's all fine in the retail version, just have to wait for it.


^^^^
Listen to this, the demo does not = the game. The PC version of the demo doesn't support DX11, does that mean the PC version wont run on high end machines? No.

People who liked DA:O will buy DA2, the demo is being used to try and draw in the crowd that didn't really like DA:O or are new to the game, they aren't going to screw us over by significantly changing up how the game is played. I personally micromanage the position of all of my people (partially because I normally play on insane and that = more ff from AoEs if you don't) so having this hack and slash wont work well for me, and bioware understands that. Look on the official forums if you don't believe the quote.

JPX Brutality
03-01-2011, 06:44 PM
I think I am the prime example of why they made they changes they did. I have never played Dragon Age 1 and I preordered this back in November just in case I would want it later I would get the xtra stuff. When I downloaded and played the demo I was blown away by the gameplay and the power trees. I loved both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 and this feels like that in a sense. They made the changes to engulf the new comers because they knew those who played 1 would come back for the story. It was a great business decision by Bioware and EA

twhiting9275
03-01-2011, 07:29 PM
Having played through the demo again, I have to say that while still impressed with the game, the voice overs were a bit off. Then again, this demo was put out quite a while back, and I'm sure those were rushed, at least I HOPE so.

That said, I've run through as a caster (mage) and warrior, and right now, I'm definitely leaning towards my first run through as a caster. Haven't run through with the rogue yet, maybe I'll do that before the game gets here Tuesday.

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Another thing to keep in mind is that this is just a demo which IIRC is quite a few months old. I don't expect it to by any means compare to 'final' game play.

ExtremeRugburn
03-01-2011, 07:50 PM
I wasn't impressed with the demo. It seemed disjointed. The cutscenes and the batttles were glitchy/choppy. The art style was horrible and im not a fan of how they changed the look of Dwarves. Like others above have stated, this was done awhile ago so hopefully the final product is better.

wozza1971
03-01-2011, 10:39 PM
people are just expressing an opinion not whinging or bitching like many others i was a little disapointed with the demo it did just seem like another hack and slash game whereas the first had deffo roots in rpg. but it's a demo so lets save judgement on it till it's release

13ip0lar
03-01-2011, 11:21 PM
I was tingling with anticipation to play the dragon age demo and instead played this generic hack and slash game instead.




I have never been more dissapointed in a game in my whole life.... IMO dragon age 1 was a perfect game and they feel that they ruined it in the direction they took it. I will however still will be buying it because I am interested in the story. Dragon age 1 was good enough to keep me interested on the storyline to keep going.

Exactly what every forum needs, more kids bitching when there are clearly already two threads that ask about your opinion on the demo. Thanks FPS GLIMMER, another kid with spontaneous illiteracy... how about that.

In the interest of keeping it OT and providing an obvious observation to distract from the fact that I just came here to flame him:

Can't please everyone...

MADasaHatter
03-02-2011, 12:45 AM
In the interest of keeping it OT and providing an obvious observation to distract from the fact that I just came here to flame him:

Can't please everyone...

Exactly. Go to the Mass Effect 2 forum and you'll find a few threads like this in the earlier dates. To summarize:

"Wut hapned to de rpg?"
"Werz my loot?"
"Too much eksplosions."

I expected Bioware to do this- streamline their craft to appeal to a greater audience. They did it for ME2 and it was GOTY for a reason. I was blown away by DA 2 and considering that I got through with +1k gamerscore in part one and I wasn't loving the game the way everyone else was.

TheDeceiver35
03-02-2011, 02:28 AM
If you don't like tapping the button, go grab the pc version of the demo, its more auto attack style unlike xbox. Personally I like it, its less waiting for your character to kill the darkspawn and more killing them yourself, if that makes sense. Just feels more engaging overall. Plus the new graphics are nice and as long as the story is there, I feel like its going to be an awesome sequel.

Durdens Wrath
03-02-2011, 03:32 AM
So is healing going to be as nerfed as it is in the demo?

JPX Brutality
03-02-2011, 05:17 PM
So is healing going to be as nerfed as it is in the demo?

I don't think it was that bad. The cooldown time was a little long but I'd imagine that will decrease once you level up a bit more.

Scotty
03-02-2011, 07:25 PM
I was tingling with anticipation to play the dragon age demo and instead played this generic hack and slash game instead.




I have never been more dissapointed in a game in my whole life.... IMO dragon age 1 was a perfect game and they feel that they ruined it in the direction they took it. I will however still will be buying it because I am interested in the story. Dragon age 1 was good enough to keep me interested on the storyline to keep going.
i have to agree with this. i was bitterley dissapointed with the demo. i feel like they've ruined it, but i will still be buying it(preorderd it). hopefully i'll get into this as much as the first, it was only a demo after all, so its not finished entirely yet.


EDIT: @Rocketman, below.
if your comment is a reply to me(not entirely sure) then your correct i hadn't read any other posts in this thread and after going through a few and learning about turning auto attack off/on my opinion is changed slightly, but as of right now after playing the demo i was dissapointed and until the final finished product comes out i will maintain this opinion.

R0KETM4N
03-02-2011, 09:18 PM
Apparently, you havn't read this entire thread. The demo did not include this option, but it will be in the released game. You will have the option on turning on auto-attack, just like you did in DA:O ... therefore, your entire point is moot, and the only reason you didn't like the demo doesn't actually exist, because it will be different in the actual game. Try reading the entire thread first ... i know it's long, but it will do us all a favor ...

HAHA, I love your spelling burns lol. I totally agree though, ME2 was awesome, and I know DA2 with be just as awesome!

Exactly. Go to the Mass Effect 2 forum and you'll find a few threads like this in the earlier dates. To summarize:

"Wut hapned to de rpg?"
"Werz my loot?"
"Too much eksplosions."

I expected Bioware to do this- streamline their craft to appeal to a greater audience. They did it for ME2 and it was GOTY for a reason. I was blown away by DA 2 and considering that I got through with +1k gamerscore in part one and I wasn't loving the game the way everyone else was.

Worhammer
03-03-2011, 04:47 PM
My only issue with the demo was the lack of auto-attack. Seeing as someone pointed out that it is an option, I will use it, and now I think DA2 is nothing but an improvement on the original.

I particularly liked how the abilities (at least as a rogue) refreshed faster, giving the game a faster pacing.

Also, whoever said the graphics are a step back is absolutely nuts.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Marbari_War_Hound.JPG
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/184782_10150106041774367_8101714366_6102044_505298 2_n.jpg

twhiting9275
03-03-2011, 04:55 PM
I have to fully agree with your comments on graphics. The graphics in 2 are SO much better than the first one.

Having played through a few times, this demo just keeps getting better. I so can't WAIT till next Tuesday ;)

Ethereal235
03-03-2011, 06:10 PM
I don't understand why anyone would complain about the changes in the battle system. Making a game more fast-paced and responsive in real-time doesn't mean there's no need for tactics or planning. You still need to choose to develop your character towards your play style, too.

I'm looking forward to playing this game all the way through. I'm curious about the different ways I'll approach the game with the different classes, although it is kind of sad that you don't get to choose a race. I rather enjoyed being an elf.

twhiting9275
03-03-2011, 06:17 PM
I don't understand why anyone would complain about the changes in the battle system.
Some people will complain about anything, and others resist change, no matter how beneficial, sadly.

13ip0lar
03-03-2011, 09:07 PM
I don't understand why anyone would complain about the changes in the battle system. Making a game more fast-paced and responsive in real-time doesn't mean there's no need for tactics or planning. You still need to choose to develop your character towards your play style, too.

I'm looking forward to playing this game all the way through. I'm curious about the different ways I'll approach the game with the different classes, although it is kind of sad that you don't get to choose a race. I rather enjoyed being an elf.

Let me explain it to you this way...it's like taking a DD nerd's dice away, and saying look you can now play it online with people from all over. They will pout and go sit in the corner. Which leads me back to the comment...You can't please everyone. Although I agree, I do like the updated graphics, and the faster pacing, I'm not necessarily a fan of mashing A, but whatever. I kind of like the changes to healing, means you have to rely on your spells and skills a lot more, and if things get tough, here is a concept, USE A HEALER!!!! Omg, that's crazy...sure it's cool to supplement a healer with pots so you can get more DPS, but when you spam them crazy style its pretty much like cheating...kinda like playing a AW/BM, that's right I went there, and I played one. OH SNAP!

Cooljoe
03-03-2011, 10:37 PM
What have they done to it? They made it better that's what. Improved graphics. Improved gameplay. nUFF said.:woop:

twhiting9275
03-03-2011, 10:59 PM
Let me explain it to you this way...it's like taking a DD nerd's dice away, and saying look you can now play it online with people from all over. They will pout and go sit in the corner.
Not even close to the same thing. The people complaining here are complaining about small upgrades to the system, something that's not even worth complaining about.

KillerChris8814
03-03-2011, 11:00 PM
I agree with most of the making it better posts but on the graphics I kinda have to disagree, technically they are much better, however I didn't like how they redesigned the look of some races, I'd have preferred if they had kept the original designs and just improved the technique. Just my opinion though and I'm sure the game will be great.

bmakar83
03-03-2011, 11:26 PM
I agree with most of the making it better posts but on the graphics I kinda have to disagree, technically they are much better, however I didn't like how they redesigned the look of some races, I'd have preferred if they had kept the original designs and just improved the technique. Just my opinion though and I'm sure the game will be great.

I agree with some of the designs, I certainly preferred how the darkspawn looked in Origins to how they look now.

I X I Shock I
03-04-2011, 01:04 AM
People complaining about the battle system are nuts.. While I loved DA:O, the battle system was boring at most times. You select a person to attack, choose abilities at times, and then sit back and watch.

Although, I am glad they fixed the AoE spells, really, really pissed when the ogre would throw a stone, miles away from where I was, and only because I was there when he started, I would get hit by it. But no more :D

AoA Requiem
03-04-2011, 03:34 PM
/shrug. It's all opinion really. Some people loved DA:O, I couldn't get more than a few hours into it because I was bored to tears. Same with some others that fanboys will flip out about. Mass Effect and Fallout 3 made me want to smash my face into my desk. Just not for me; way too slow.

Having said that, I just got done with the DA2 demo and I am loving it. It's just personal opinion, no need to bash it because they made some changes. If you wanted a carbon copy of DA:O ... where would the fun be in that?

Scotty
03-04-2011, 05:13 PM
/shrug. It's all opinion really. Some people loved DA:O, I couldn't get more than a few hours into it because I was bored to tears. Same with some others that fanboys will flip out about. Mass Effect and Fallout 3 made me want to smash my face into my desk. Just not for me; way too slow.

Having said that, I just got done with the DA2 demo and I am loving it. It's just personal opinion, no need to bash it because they made some changes. If you wanted a carbon copy of DA:O ... where would the fun be in that?
i dont think the die-hard(ish) fans want a carbon copy, its just when you love a game, you dont want gameplay differences in a sequel, you just expect/want it to be the same as the game you fell in love wih but a new or continuation of the story. anyway lets just all hope the game will be good.

Worhammer
03-04-2011, 06:36 PM
Not even close to the same thing. The people complaining here are complaining about small upgrades to the system, something that's not even worth complaining about.
I think I need to clarify something here: Changing the battle system does NOT mean it's upgraded automatically.

Yes, I agree it's better. I like the faster pacing. It's not necessarily better, just different. They changed it from a more old-school RPG (as old-school as any non turn-based RPG could be...) to a more action RPG style. Not better, just different.

And mashing the A button to attack? Not better at all. Worse. My thumb is not meant to press like that a thousand times a minute. If I wanted that, I'd go play Soul Calibur or MvC3. Could've made the trigger button attack. Those fingers are built to make that motion over and over.

But none of this matters. I'll be turning on auto attack, and you can mash your A button and let your finger cramp up, and keep telling yourself how much better that is. :rolleyes:

Ionus
03-06-2011, 01:24 PM
Well I liked the demo.... key word is 'DEMO' so I know the game will be good. All sequels are going to change things a bit, that is just the way of things.

So either you will like the new game or you will not.

I was a huge fan of Mass Effect, and must admit that it took me a while to embrace Mass Effect 2. but I do like both games. I think most everyone will enjoy the new Dragon Age and have a lot of fun :)

But to make a judgement on a game that is not even out yet... well why don't you just wait for the full game, play it all the way to the end, then make a statement on if you liked it or not ;)

mickjsg
03-06-2011, 02:50 PM
The only change I'm not too happy about is that you can't change the armour your companions wear. That's not a big deal though.

I very much approve of the new skill 'webs'. I hated taking 2 powers in DA:O just to unlock one I wanted. :)

DayV3d
03-06-2011, 03:07 PM
well, i cancelled my preorder...
the demo was just bad. i dont mind the faster gameplay, but seriously? this game makes every dragonball z anime look normal. man those flailings, salto mortale and rushes the characters do are embarrasing for a more traditional game as dragon age pretends to be.

really sad. i loved da:o but the sequel is just not the kind of game i wanted.

mickjsg
03-06-2011, 03:11 PM
well, i cancelled my preorder...
the demo was just bad. i dont mind the faster gameplay, but seriously? this game makes every dragonball z anime look normal. man those flailings, salto mortale and rushes the characters do are embarrasing for a more traditional game as dragon age pretends to be.

really sad. i loved da:o but the sequel is just not the kind of game i wanted.
You could have sold it for more than you paid, if you'd preordered the Bioware Signature Edition.

Worhammer
03-06-2011, 04:45 PM
You could have sold it for more than you paid, if you'd preordered the Bioware Signature Edition.
My first thought.

Some people just don't have much foresight, I suppose. :)

mickjsg
03-06-2011, 06:51 PM
My first thought.

Some people just don't have much foresight, I suppose. :)
I guess not. ;) I'm actually surprised I haven't seen more people talking about selling the game and DLC seperately yet.

artphobia
03-07-2011, 02:30 PM
For the length some of you are complaining... the games arent THAT different.

The art style looks nearly the same just cleaned up and additional polys to kill that blocky look. The animations are smoother and a lot less stiff than DA1. Some how I missed how dwarves look any different in DA2 vs DA1. Though elves look a bit more foreign... which is great because they only looked like humans with pointy ears in the first.

Having actions playout as I push the button during battle truely kept me from falling asleep, but like stated above you can turn that off. Just in case you rather the computer take over and swing only every few secs like the original. DA1 felt like Baldurs Gate or Diablo in 3d, for as much control as I had over the action. Didn't find much originality in that.

Now that the player has a voice its much more fun as well. No more movies and conversations that don't include you. Having a personality is much more entertaining.


EDIT: check my math on the menus... ehh apparently the auto-attack isnt an option. Another forum said it was a late development add on that didnt make it to release. No doubt will be in a patch... same as the fix to the exp/gold exploit

Hollow_Six
03-07-2011, 03:16 PM
I haven't played the demo but I hope they do change the inventory to be less limited, or at least to add some organization to it... maybe make less of the 1.20 vs 1.25 armor and something a little more tangible...(not actually tangible I hope you know what I mean)

StakemZ
03-08-2011, 02:17 PM
I personally liked the demo. The DA:O was good but not great IMO. It just felt very boring. But I might actually get DA2. I like it.

Necromancer
03-08-2011, 02:39 PM
You gotta realize that the gameplay in Dragon Age 1 was suited for a PC.

The gameplay itself was actually a lot easier surprisingly on harder difficulties on the PC due to positioning be more of a cinch, better targeting with the mouse, and it WAS also much much easier to have a good spell rotation on the computer.

Bioware didn't dumb down the game or anything like that. They actually made it more playable with a controller with less frustration. But in the end I bet this one will still be superior on the PC ( in terms of gameplay ) All in all the story is still the definitive reason to play this game. I won't be skipping any dialogue sequences and if that's what you do even for achievements they you are honestly playing it wrong. :)

trail blazer
03-09-2011, 07:29 PM
i never played the first one, but i saw the walkthrough on youtube for the second one and i ran out to get it.

Darth Cuda
03-10-2011, 01:19 AM
They took out everything that makes an RPG an RPG so they could appeal to the lame FPS fanboy audience. The improved the graphics...big deal. I now have to spam my a button constantly (which isn't good for my controller or my hand). The amount customizing you can do on your character is limited by not having different races. If you want lock picking/trap disarming you can forget a versatile Rogue. Skills trees are overly complicated. The inventory screen is harder than ever to manage. The only good improvement I see is you can still wear a helmet and disable the aesthetic change if its ugly. This game is fun but its not even in the same league as the original.