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Alucard9184
03-13-2011, 10:41 PM
For most people i think they will like this game but, It comes short compering it to it's predecessor.

The game lacks deep and is way to easy even in nightmare difficulty , the game can be clear in less that 50 hrs which is a rip off, not to mention the countless Bugs for some of the quest, achievements that never get unlock and the voice, like the female Hawke having male voice.

If the Developers thought that by adding some of the characters from the previous game was going to help carry the success in this on, They were clearly WRONG, Don't Get me wrong i loved the DA origins and Awakening and all the extra down loads. But like i said DA 2 relay way to much on the history of the first, I'm sure many will disagree so give ur opinion.

FSparacino4
03-13-2011, 10:44 PM
50 Hours is a rip-off?? Go back to your 8 hour CoD games.

Jackalus88
03-13-2011, 10:53 PM
50 Hours is a rip-off?? Go back to your 8 hour CoD games.

Couldn't have put it better myself to be honest.

pX I Atticus
03-13-2011, 10:59 PM
50 Hours is a rip-off?? Go back to your 8 hour CoD games.

he's never played CoD

tho i will say if u dont like it then why have u play DA2 so much??

FSparacino4
03-13-2011, 11:01 PM
he's never played CoD

tho i will say if u dont like it then why have u play DA2 so much??

It was sarcasm for saying a 50 hour game is short in this day and age.

pX I Atticus
03-13-2011, 11:05 PM
It was sarcasm for saying a 50 hour game is short in this day and age.

yh i know but i find with RPG's the game can last as long as u want it to. Imo

Surgeon_Sniper
03-13-2011, 11:06 PM
Well I mean when you compare to 100+ hours to everything with all the different origins in the first game, 50 hrs ain't much in comparison

Alucard9184
03-13-2011, 11:09 PM
It was sarcasm for saying a 50 hour game is short in this day and age.

Exactly thanks, and the 50 hrs was in only one play through, the DA origins took me twice longer and it had much more deep and level of difficulty.

Rixiden
03-13-2011, 11:41 PM
That's crazy, I know I've already put in around 45 hours on it and I'm only halfway through Act 2. That's taking my time and doing EVERYTHING and trying to get the 49 out of 50 achvs in one run. Not to mention the insane amount of replay value this game has due to the thousands of different choices and scenes and outcomes. I shudder to even think of how many endings there can possibly be.

That said, it is alot smaller of a world and the recycled maps can be annoying, but it moves quicker than origins. I do miss the inventory being far more descriptive in Origins and giving you better info on stat bonuses and effects. I had a full armor set one time and couldn't even figure out what the bonus was for it!

But it is a wonderful game, truly very fun I know I've spent 2 entire days doing nothing but playing it:woop:

Askeroth
03-13-2011, 11:57 PM
That's crazy, I know I've already put in around 45 hours on it and I'm only halfway through Act 2. That's taking my time and doing EVERYTHING and trying to get the 49 out of 50 achvs in one run. Not to mention the insane amount of replay value this game has due to the thousands of different choices and scenes and outcomes. I shudder to even think of how many endings there can possibly be.There is no replay value. They prevented any chance of replay value by not having an epilogue, or even telling you what happens to your party members after you beat the game. You talk about endings, but there are only two and they're practically identical. That's why I dislike this game. I played Origins over a dozen times. I loved it. I'm on my third playthrough of this game and I'm sick of it. I'm just trying to finish up a few achievements.

And even doing everything, it still takes me just over twenty hours. Origins took me just under thirty. It's a short game.

ODST Kayne
03-14-2011, 12:17 AM
Poorly written rant is poorly written.

MADasaHatter
03-14-2011, 12:44 AM
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=299417

Should have just posted here to keep your disgust canned.

E10phoenix
03-14-2011, 12:52 AM
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The game lacks deep and is way to easy even in nightmare difficulty , the game can be clear in less that 50 hrs which is a rip off

first of all, this made me laugh out loud! your saying a game that takes 40 - 50 hours is too short? what on earth do you say when you play the other recent games that last 4 - 8 hours.
40 - 50 hours of gameplay for an rpg is a decent amount of time.

I agree the glitches (for example the dlc glitch) can be annoying, but there are countless other games on the market with unattainable achievements, and glitches that completely ruin the game.

The only reasons i think you don't like this game is because you either dont play rpg's often, have played some crazy rpg that took 200 hours to complete (exaggeration)... or something along those lines lol

DJConnelly
03-14-2011, 01:06 AM
Game of the Year.
End of.

Alucard9184
03-14-2011, 01:16 AM
first of all, this made me laugh out loud! your saying a game that takes 40 - 50 hours is too short? what on earth do you say when you play the other recent games that last 4 - 8 hours.
40 - 50 hours of gameplay for an rpg is a decent amount of time.

I agree the glitches (for example the dlc glitch) can be annoying, but there are countless other games on the market with unattainable achievements, and glitches that completely ruin the game.

The only reasons i think you don't like this game is because you either dont play rpg's often, have played some crazy rpg that took 200 hours to complete (exaggeration)... or something along those lines lol

To answer u comment, I'm quite experience with RPG games and i have play many of them in PC and Xbox, from Star Ocean series, Fable, Final Fantasy , Diablo etc, This game just fails in comparison to the DA origins

Like i said the game relay way to much in the success of origins in the story and by bringing some of the characters from it.

Mist
03-14-2011, 08:59 AM
What's so wrong with some good ol' buttonmashing galore? Makes you feel so intelligent.
Not.

Perasnovitch
03-14-2011, 09:18 AM
Took me 26 hours to finish DA:2 with 600 gamerscore.

Took me 48 hours to finish DA:O with 1000 gamerscore.

DA:O > DA:2 on every level aside gameplay.

I still like it, my review score was 8.2/10 for DA II and it was 9.0 for the 1st one.

And I kinda agree about the character...Like Anders and Isabela not recognizing Allistair in the Hanged man.

I feel like the story was somewhat corny at times.

I just feel like Denerim was a better environment than Kirkwall.

However, I will enjoy playing another playthrough but the supplier and crafting achievements looks like a real bitch really.

I liked that DA:O was 1000 in one playthruough.

The second one looks more like a 3-4 playthrought type of game with less replayability.

Can't wait for Skyrim :D

Oh and before, I just hope they won't cow milk our money up to 1750 gamerscore again.

EA are starting to get lame with every game they release having DLC with cheevos...I'm a completionist whore.

Like Bulletstorm...Really good single player game, releasing a DLC for that pathetic fake multiplayer is a rippoff..

/end rant

KrossWinter
03-14-2011, 09:29 AM
Yeeeeees, it totally rides the coat tails of Origins by using Anders and Isabella with cameo appearances and inside jokes few and far between. Riiiiiiiiiight.

Not.

phantom frsh
03-14-2011, 09:29 AM
Not going to complain about the length of the game or the gameplay.
Just to say, god damn I missed those silly little epilogues present in Origins and Awakening.
They were so enjoyable why would you not use them I wanted to find out what circumstances forced everyone to leave and so on... :(

KrossWinter
03-14-2011, 09:34 AM
It wasn't really circumstances, Varric says it was for one reason or another. I'd be willing to bet Aveline got another promotion and got transferred, Sebastian went back home, Merril goes off to try and find more Dalish history, etc....

All of what Varric said is leading me to believe that there will be following DLC and what nots.

Mist
03-14-2011, 10:22 AM
It wasn't really circumstances, Varric says it was for one reason or another. I'd be willing to bet Aveline got another promotion and got transferred, Sebastian went back home, Merril goes off to try and find more Dalish history, etc....

All of what Varric said is leading me to believe that there will be following DLC and what nots.

If you load the post-game save it even says that there'll be more DLC available from your home. So yeah...

KrossWinter
03-14-2011, 10:24 AM
I didn't catch that, so...thanks, I guess.

JDMBO1
03-14-2011, 11:17 AM
I just think that we'll get tie in from DA:O and expansions leading to DA III

Magespower
03-14-2011, 11:36 AM
I just think that we'll get tie in from DA:O and expansions leading to DA III

Yeah I hope we get some good dlc. I will agree about the depth of the story though. It does not even compare to origins in that aspect. Then on the other hand that final cut scene at the very end of the game made it all worth it in my opinion.

KrakenGreyjoy
03-14-2011, 11:49 AM
DA:O was not 1000 in one playthrough.

asdf123
03-14-2011, 12:19 PM
The only thing i dislike comparing it to origins is that the characters arent that interesting/lovable, and i get the feeling im walking the same road doing different quests with just another enemy spawning.

mksystem74
03-14-2011, 12:23 PM
Everyone hates the second game of a franchise. Sure there are exceptions but usually the develops try to do the thigns they wanted to the first time around and for the fans it comes up short or they change it too much they don't accept it. I'm not that far in to the game, but I am enjoying it. With Origins I didn't like it at first but it grew on me and I like it more and more every time I played it. I'm not really sure why so many people don't like DA2, all the complaints I keep hearing are things I've seen/done in Origins lol.

StakemZ
03-14-2011, 12:47 PM
I personally couldn't stand DA:O. I completed it for gamerscore and that was it. Everybody praised the game like it was a present sent to Earth from God himself. Not all that amazing to me. Very boring combat. That was my only real gripe.

Big_Sama
03-14-2011, 12:58 PM
50 Hours is a rip-off?? Go back to your 8 hour CoD games.

Doesn't CoD have a multi-player that provides days of enjoyment?

Lord Vadrian
03-14-2011, 03:24 PM
Everyone will have their own opinion. Mine is that DA2 is vastly superior to Origins, even if it is a bit shorter. Quality over Quantity.

Magon
03-14-2011, 03:35 PM
... way to easy even in nightmare difficulty...
I think we are playing a different game, you can't be serious about this. It might be a walk-in-the-park on the first two settings, yeah, but not on nightmare, it aint. Probably you should try it. :) (For the record, I am by far not the most awesome player ever, granted, but still took me only two tries for the infamous Harvester fight on hard setting in DA:O, so it is not just my inability speaking here.)

solo07
03-14-2011, 04:21 PM
Your argument has no basis. Female hawke with male voice? haven't seen it, achievements not popping? not me. Not deep enough? surely the political struggle and the complete collapse of kirkwall is truly a deep story yet you sound like just another kid who looks at everything at face value, if you don't like it, get some support for your arguments besides my character sounds like a dyke.
EDIT: also, too easy? try dueling the Arishok one on one on hard and tell me how easy a time it is.

fabgeekling
03-14-2011, 04:28 PM
For most people i think they will like this game but, It comes short compering it to it's predecessor.

The game lacks deep and is way to easy even in nightmare difficulty , the game can be clear in less that 50 hrs which is a rip off, not to mention the countless Bugs for some of the quest, achievements that never get unlock and the voice, like the female Hawke having male voice.

If the Developers thought that by adding some of the characters from the previous game was going to help carry the success in this on, They were clearly WRONG, Don't Get me wrong i loved the DA origins and Awakening and all the extra down loads. But like i said DA 2 relay way to much on the history of the first, I'm sure many will disagree so give ur opinion.

Do you mean depth? In what way exactly?

50 hours of gameplay is equivalent to 3 16-hour days if you sleep 8 hours each day. How many "regular" people do you think will sit for 16 hours, with no breaks and play a game?
It took me 4 days to play through and I put in around 12 hours two of those days. But I played through all the cut scenes and listened to the dialogue. Explored and didn't consult any achievement guides. I still finished with 40 achievements. (755/1130)

For most people this will be a 2-3 week game if they play a little each night after work/school. Most adults can't commit more than 5 hours a day for leisure. I think this gameplay time is a good balance for the hardcore and casual players. Extremely long games might turn some people off. If you're into unending gameplay try something like WoW.

AND of course the second one relies on the story of the first one it's a SEQUEL. ;)

Also.. I hope English is your second language. Otherwise you should probably be in school paying attention instead of playing games all day long :p

XperimntNterror
03-14-2011, 05:36 PM
I agree that this game is a letdown. Comparing this game to the first, it fails to exceed it, which is what a sequel should do.

DA2 is a watered down experience. Much like Fable 3 was to Fable 2. There are a few improvements, but the restrictions given to the players do not outweigh these positives, for me.

The game is enjoyable, yes, but really falls flat. Rather than feeling like a grand adventure (like the first game) it feels more like a series of fetch quests.

Cons I have with DA2:

The entire game takes place in the same city with a few excursions to outlying areas around the city. You visit and re-visit the exact same locations over and over throughout the game, which gives it a "in a tube" feel. Many quests can become unavailable to you if you advance the story too far, which is restricting and adds to the linear feeling. While I can't complain about the time you can spend playing to finish the game, revisiting the same spots over and over to see if a new area is now open to you just makes it boring.

Interactions with party members are reduced to quest lines. In DA: O, you could visit your party camp to speak with members, learn their stories, give them gifts, start a relationship, etc. In DA2, you are given "quests" at specific points in the game to speak with a certain member, either through story progression, having completed enough side-quests or by having found a gift for one of them.

You cannot change the armor of other members, either. This really defeats the point of having several different types of equipment available to you if you can only equip new armor to Hawke. If you are playing a Rogue, chances are good you don't need the option to purchase Heavy Armors for them. As someone else pointed out, the resell value for useless equipment is extremely low, as well and winds up being mostly clutter in your inventory.

The leveling tree is limited now, as well. Things like your lock picking skill are integrated into your Cunning statistic. Not a horrible choice, but the overall execution of this system further adds to the watered down approach they have taken with this game.

Party members are less interesting, but this is likely due to the fact that your interactions with them are limited by Bioware. I'd probably care more about them if I could pick and choose who I wanted to chat up at any given moment.


Pros with DA2 are:

Character models look a little better and the combat is a little more satisfying, though it would have been nice to have included the option to play the game as in DA: O for those that prefer it.


All in all, the game feels more like you're playing "levels" and was, obviously, designed to have greater appeal to the casual market.

I am enjoying it, but I can't help but wish it retained more of it's roots. Game Of The Year, this is not.

As a sidenote, the day one DLC that was included with the Signature Edition is borked. As is usual, but in this instance, the achievements don't even unlock at all. Most of the time, they will unlock, but not update correctly. This particular set just doesn't even bother.