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xGcFx Virtual
05-10-2011, 04:40 AM
Can someone who can look at the game from both sides, post about the pros and cons of the game?

(No cod fanboys)

I have it completely paid off at Gamestop, and am going to pick it up in the morning. But i've been reading post's and people are saying it's not very good, but there not giving any reasons why.

Please post, so hopefully i can save some money, if it doesn't sound good.

Sammo21
05-10-2011, 05:05 AM
http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-brink/17-4101/

xGcFx Virtual
05-10-2011, 05:20 AM
Thanks for that link. Im skipping through to certain areas, im not so much interested in Customization right now as how the actual game will play out, via the movement system etc.

Definitely answering some questions so far.

If anyone has anything they'd like to add I'd appreciate it, as i still want to here from other peoples experience in this game.

Tyger7
05-10-2011, 05:23 AM
"Quick Look at Bring" video above haha...it's 48 minutes long!

xGcFx Virtual
05-10-2011, 05:27 AM
"Quick Look at Bring" video above haha...it's 48 minutes long!

I laughed at that aswell :p. Glad it is as long as it is though, gives out alot of info.

So far im thinking of canceling my pre-order. I was hoping it would be better then what it appears to be. For some reason it reminded me of Shadowrun with a Tf2 mixture lol. Not sure why Shadowrun.

Nothing imo can replace Tf2/Shadowrun anyway.

MASS DOMINATION
05-10-2011, 05:47 AM
I laughed at that aswell :p. Glad it is as long as it is though, gives out alot of info.

So far im thinking of canceling my pre-order. I was hoping it would be better then what it appears to be. For some reason it reminded me of Shadowrun with a Tf2 mixture lol. Not sure why Shadowrun.

Nothing imo can replace Tf2/Shadowrun anyway.

I'm in a similar boat as you. I was really looking forward to this game and planned on picking it u tomorrow morning. Unfortunately the general reception has been disappointing. Spending $60 on a game with a 5 hours campaign and multiplayer that is only fun when people cooperate (which is impossible unless you have a bunch of friends who also bought the game) doesn't seem worth it to me.
I may just wait until L.A. Noire or Dirt 3. Besides, I have a ton of games on my backlog that need finishing.

Maka
05-10-2011, 06:17 AM
Ugh, now I don't know what to do. Should I just rent it instead?

xGcFx Virtual
05-10-2011, 06:20 AM
I think that's what im going to do. But i'm going to wait at least a month, i want to make sure all the updates and patches are out, so i don't rent something that barely works. I hear theres a ton of issues.

ODST Kayne
05-10-2011, 10:47 AM
Ugh, now I don't know what to do. Should I just rent it instead?


Its sort of sad seeing bad reception take this game away from so many people. I understand your reservations, but if you personally were looking forward to the game, then you should go pick it up and see if you like it. I hate to see biased reviews (Several sites reviewed it without playing MP and there is a content patch due out this week) ruin people's opinions of the game. I'm just speaking in general even though I quoted you, by the way.

ReverendSID
05-10-2011, 01:00 PM
Its sort of sad seeing bad reception take this game away from so many people. I understand your reservations, but if you personally were looking forward to the game, then you should go pick it up and see if you like it. I hate to see biased reviews (Several sites reviewed it without playing MP and there is a content patch due out this week) ruin people's opinions of the game. I'm just speaking in general even though I quoted you, by the way.
Speaking personally, the biggest thing that made me interested in this game was the idea of being able to play both sides of a story in single player. But according to every review and video impression thing like this, there really isn't a story in the game. Just a quick cutscene at the start of each level that you'll see over and over again if you play online. It's kind of disappointing, cause with Bethesda's name on it I would expect better in that regard. And I've already paid for the game, was all set to go pick it up in an hour when the store opens, but after watching this I'm not so sure.

I'd still like to play it, but there are a ton of games I'd like to play but don't feel are worth $60. The question is if "seeing if I like it" is worth $60 or not. And ultimately, I'm going to have to say, it's not! Cause if I don't like it I'm boned, and out the $60 I could have spent on something I'm more certain I will like, such as L.A. Noire or inFamous 2. Maybe I'll take that $60 and get used copies of some of those other games I'd like to try and return them in a week. *shrug* Maybe by then I'll be able to pick up a used copy of this to see if I like it. *sigh*

13ip0lar
05-10-2011, 01:10 PM
Its sort of sad seeing bad reception take this game away from so many people. I understand your reservations, but if you personally were looking forward to the game, then you should go pick it up and see if you like it. I hate to see biased reviews (Several sites reviewed it without playing MP and there is a content patch due out this week) ruin people's opinions of the game. I'm just speaking in general even though I quoted you, by the way.

I couldn't agree more. You pretty much covered all the bases, and while they should do a thorough review, a MP game shouldn't be docked for lacking SP qualities imo, but when judging the game as a whole, I guess my opinion is in fact biased and rendered invalid.

Speaking personally, the biggest thing that made me interested in this game was the idea of being able to play both sides of a story in single player.

Honestly, this isn't a problem with you, as everyone is entitled to spend their money how they want and get what they want for it, but I'm sick of seeing people expecting an awesome SP, when the game is obviously FPS and geared for MP online, as most FPS games are. I mean the only game honestly that probably has a decent SP is CoD. By that I mean SP and a good MP to back it up. Even then though I personally think CoD SP sucks. I mean why in the hell would you buy an FPS for SP?! If you want that kind of gameplay get Fallout. Again this is just my opinion, but I find it baffling, how people expect something from a game, that obviously isn't going to be there.

ReverendSID
05-10-2011, 03:36 PM
I mean why in the hell would you buy an FPS for SP?! If you want that kind of gameplay get Fallout. Again this is just my opinion, but I find it baffling, how people expect something from a game, that obviously isn't going to be there.
Well, first I'll say that Fallout isn't really a very good shooter. At least Fallout 3 wasn't, the shooter element was pretty crappy. My biggest problem honestly is that I don't think any game should be totally built around multiplayer. And yes it's more common for shooters to do it than any other type, but it just seems to me that way too many games and companies are focusing on MP and ignoring SP altogether. Or worse, tacking on pointless multiplayer onto games that don't need it like Dead Space and Assassin's Creed. And I think it's totally possible to have a good shooter (fps or tps) that has an actual story and is fun to play alone. The devs just don't seem to care about putting any actual time or work into doing it.

I knew full well that this game was going to have a heavy online component, and that's fine. But one of the big things they were talking about was how you could take your characters from single player into online and back, and there were 2 full campaigns. And from what everyone's saying now, they lied. It's just the exact same missions online and off and the only thing that changes when you play resistance or security is if you're attacking or defending and it's not even a story just a little cutscene? That's disappointing to me. That said I picked it up anyway since it was all paid for and to get the pre-order code. I'm just now debating if I want to actually open it and play (risking hating it and trading it in for a 3rd what I paid) or return it and wait for the used copy. *shrug*

Edit: And for the record my favorite shooter is Mass Effect 2. It's TPS not FPS, and I know there are better ones from a mechanical standpoint. But IMO the controls work just fine, I can always hit what I'm aiming at, and it has a good story. :)

13ip0lar
05-10-2011, 03:50 PM
Well, first I'll say that Fallout isn't really a very good shooter. At least Fallout 3 wasn't, the shooter element was pretty crappy. My biggest problem honestly is that I don't think any game should be totally built around multiplayer. And yes it's more common for shooters to do it than any other type, but it just seems to me that way too many games and companies are focusing on MP and ignoring SP altogether. Or worse, tacking on pointless multiplayer onto games that don't need it like Dead Space and Assassin's Creed. And I think it's totally possible to have a good shooter (fps or tps) that has an actual story and is fun to play alone. The devs just don't seem to care about putting any actual time or work into doing it.

I knew full well that this game was going to have a heavy online component, and that's fine. But one of the big things they were talking about was how you could take your characters from single player into online and back, and there were 2 full campaigns. And from what everyone's saying now, they lied. It's just the exact same missions online and off and the only thing that changes when you play resistance or security is if you're attacking or defending and it's not even a story just a little cutscene? That's disappointing to me. That said I picked it up anyway since it was all paid for and to get the pre-order code. I'm just now debating if I want to actually open it and play (risking hating it and trading it in for a 3rd what I paid) or return it and wait for the used copy. *shrug*

Edit: And for the record my favorite shooter is Mass Effect 2. It's TPS not FPS, and I know there are better ones from a mechanical standpoint. But IMO the controls work just fine, I can always hit what I'm aiming at, and it has a good story. :)

I see what you mean and how you expected a "campaign" when all you really got was the MP supplemented by bots. In fairness, they did say that SP and MP would be virtually identical, however, they were a bit sly when explaining it, making it sound like there would be more of a story there than there was (from what I have seen). So I can understand how you feel cheated. Other than that if you enjoy good team play and have some mates to play with I think you can get your moneys worth out of it. If you are looking for a good engaging SP and just a MP to play now and then perhaps it's best to stick with CoD. I respect your opinion and see were you're coming from and see how it is a difficult choice on whether to open that box or not.

Looking at the footage I have seen I haven't seen one person use a sidearm, so I'm tempted to sell my preorder bonus on eBay for some extra cash since, it's just some stuff I don't want, and all I really wanted out of the deal was the pistol and possibly the soda can silencer.

Phetty
05-10-2011, 03:55 PM
I agree Shooters can definately be a story driven game. In fact I probably wouldn't have bought any of the Gears of War games had it not had a single player element. The same can be said for Halo, Bulletstorm, Bioshock, and Borderlands. Most of them would have right out failed had it not been for single player. I'd say CoD but that game has a crap SP expierience with a even worse multiplayer tacked onto it, and yes I mean all of the CoD games...

ReverendSID
05-10-2011, 04:07 PM
Yeah, that's the thing. I do like the idea of an actual co-operative experience in multiplayer, but it's something I've yet to experience in any shooter I've played online. (And I'm including Counter Strike TF2 and L4D on Steam - which is sad) And I don't have any friends who play these types of games. But there's always the chance I could be surprised and run into some random folks who actually help instead of running off alone. lol In the end though, I actually do want to play this game if only to play with the customization myself. So I'm probably going to risk it, wouldn't be the first time, and probably won't be the last. ;) It's either that or go back to playing Socom 4 for the next 3 and a half hours and I just don't think I can take that right now. lol

CoD has kind of enjoyable stories. Honestly I preferred the WW2 setting of the earlier games, World at War was the last one I really liked. MW2 had an alright story, but it was short and very obvious that all they cared about was the MP, which sucked. I gave BO a total miss.

I agree Shooters can definately be a story driven game. In fact I probably wouldn't have bought any of the Gears of War games had it not had a single player element. The same can be said for Halo, Bulletstorm, Bioshock, and Borderlands. Most of them would have right out failed had it not been for single player.
I actually only played the multiplayer for Gears like twice, I think once for each game. The first one had a pretty good story IMO, but the second was mediocre at best. As for Bioshock, the addition of multiplayer to the second one is another example of it being tacked on and pointless. Worse because it was just a fucking copy paste of the annoying level based crap that CoD does. As for Bulletstorm and Borderlands I haven't played either, in the case of Bulletstorm mostly because I didn't feel like playing yet another uber amped up, grotesquely large Space Marine from Epic Games. I mean UT3 and Gears were enough for me in that department, I'm starting to wonder if they know how to make any other type of game at this point. And Yes, though I do occasionally enjoy a few rounds of Halo online, the story is the only thing I ever really cared about in those games.

Gladius
05-10-2011, 04:13 PM
Thanks God they merged SP with MP!!

I can't play multiplayer!!

13ip0lar,I don't see a problem in playing a FPS in SP!I only play them in SP!!

ODST Kayne
05-10-2011, 06:25 PM
Speaking personally, the biggest thing that made me interested in this game was the idea of being able to play both sides of a story in single player. But according to every review and video impression thing like this, there really isn't a story in the game. Just a quick cutscene at the start of each level that you'll see over and over again if you play online. It's kind of disappointing, cause with Bethesda's name on it I would expect better in that regard. And I've already paid for the game, was all set to go pick it up in an hour when the store opens, but after watching this I'm not so sure.

I'd still like to play it, but there are a ton of games I'd like to play but don't feel are worth $60. The question is if "seeing if I like it" is worth $60 or not. And ultimately, I'm going to have to say, it's not! Cause if I don't like it I'm boned, and out the $60 I could have spent on something I'm more certain I will like, such as L.A. Noire or inFamous 2. Maybe I'll take that $60 and get used copies of some of those other games I'd like to try and return them in a week. *shrug* Maybe by then I'll be able to pick up a used copy of this to see if I like it. *sigh*

To be honest, if I had to choose between this game and LA Noire, I would pick LA Noire first. I'm just lucky to be in a situation where Gamestop is doing a trade in deal with games that I have but don't want so I can get bunch of money towards it when it comes out.

littlejay
05-10-2011, 06:46 PM
does it have southpaw controls?

Hammer Man69
05-11-2011, 12:49 AM
I haven’t picked the game up, and nothing is going to stop from picking it up no matter what negative reputation it gets. I want to pay and play it, full price, and then I will judge. I/we keep all our games regardless if they are good or bad anyway. I know most people can't throw money at every game they see, but I am just saying what I'm going to do because, and I think Ben "Yatzee" Croshaw said it best; "I am an unbiased critic, (Shut up, I am!) and I give every game the chance to surprise me."

Speaking of surprises, I for one am not surprised that the Story is "barely there" as some say because when I think about it, the developers never went deep into the story and just said the same thing over and over, that you're fighting over the Ark. That's it. I'm fine with that. It's like Lost Planet 2 and its 'iffy' story, it's the Game play that matters most and I think that's what Splash Damage had in mind. :)

brad soup
05-11-2011, 04:38 AM
1: Story: There is none. You get a few lines of dialogue and a thirty-second cutscene before each mission, and that's it. If you want this game because, like me, the story sounds intriguing and engrossing, you will be disappointed.

2: SP/MP: There is no single player mode in this game. For all the talk about integrating single player and multiplayer, there is nothing in the single player department. Whatsoever. You can either play online with horrendous lag (which, in all fairness, may well be fixed in the future) or you can get the same multiplayer experience, but with bots. And the bots are mind-bendingly stupid. They will not defend you while you try to complete objectives, and they will not complete objectives themselves if you escort them. They will stand in front of you, blocking your shots, and have staring contests with the enemies you are trying to dispatch. And they will YELL AT YOU for it. They will ruin the game for you. If you want this game because, like me, you thought you would be able to enjoy it by yourself as well as with friends, you will be disappointed.

3: Gameplay: The core gameplay is actually really fun. I can definitely see this game having potential...if you can actually find a match full of human players that isn't unplayable due to lag. Aside from technical issues, idiotic bots, and outright LIES on the part of the developers, this is actually a fun game. But, for the time being, you have to sift through SO MUCH CRAP just to find the fun. If you want this game because, like me, free running through the environment blasting dudes in the face sounds fun, then you probably won't be disappointed...unless points one and two already ruined it for you.

I bought this game. I regret it. But I think it's absolutely worth a rental. That said, if the multiplayer gets fixed I may change my opinion, because I could see getting a ton of replay value out of this game once it becomes...y'know, playable.

And if you're playing by yourself, play on easy...and you should probably have a strong drink on hand for when things go south.

brad soup
05-11-2011, 04:41 AM
does it have southpaw controls?

You can remap all the buttons to your liking, invert your Y-axis, toggle/hold crouch, tweak your sensitivity and swap your movement/aim sticks (so you move with the right stick and look around with the left).

I'll give them that, they let you customize the crap out of your controls.