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Vegaskingz
05-30-2011, 07:07 PM
Battlefield 3: Modern Warfare 3 projected to outsell by 3 to 1 margin

EA is one of the biggest players in the videogame industry. Everyone knows that. However, that fact alone might not save its elegantly rendered Battlefield 3 from being crushed by the sheer brand identification and market domination of rival shooter, Call of Duty – Modern Warfare 3.

Despite the fact that many veteran game observers have oohed and ahhed about the awesome graphics of Battlefield 3′s Frostbite 2 engine, vivid graphics and awesome gameplay might not be enough to take Battlefield 3 over the top. The fact remains that the Call of Duty line has a huge market position and a broad fan base. It has also cemented fan loyalty further through multiple DLC releases. It will take more than superior graphics and gameplay to dislodge such market dominance. Think of the old betamax versus VHS video platform rivalry of the early 80s or even Microsoft versus (insert unfortunate competitor name here) marketing wars of the 80s and beyond.
There comes a point where the sheer branding dominance of a title gets to be so much that it will take more than a supposedly superior product to knock it off its roost. This might be the situation Battlefield 3 is facing. EA apparently knows what it is up against and has publicly stated that it will unload millions into advertising to help Battlefield 3 contend with Call of Duty’s branding dominance. Analysts believe that while Battlefield 3 might convert some of Call of Duty’s hardcore fans, when it comes to the mass market, Modern Warfare 3 will come out ahead by a margin of 3 to 1.


http://www.gamebandits.com/news/battlefield-3-modern-warfare-3-projected-to-outsell-by-3-to-1-margin-06266/
This is what makes me sad.. how a game that looks so damn promising still wont get the credit it deserves due to the sheer brand dominance that is Call of Duty.

crazy W01f 816
05-30-2011, 07:19 PM
It probably will, but by how much is real story. CoD's popularity is waning fast and Battlefield already has a huge following, especially on the PC side. I'll wait till the sales figures come out for each, thanks.

A J
05-30-2011, 07:22 PM
I really don't believe that it will outsell it by 3 times as much, I expect it to outsell it, but not by that much. And if MW3 is anything even similar to black ops, i certainly wont be bothering with it, but i personally will probably be buying both of them.

Burnout x360a
05-30-2011, 07:23 PM
I'll still get both and enjoy both.

Battlefield's fan base is mostly on the PC anyway, so if you were to compare purely PC versions sold i'd imagine a different story would occur.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
05-30-2011, 08:19 PM
I really don't believe that it will outsell it by 3 times as much, I expect it to outsell it, but not by that much. And if MW3 is anything even similar to black ops, i certainly wont be bothering with it, but i personally will probably be buying both of them.
ohh I think it will out sell by at least 3:1. I am hoping it does, I dont want all of the halo hopping COD players coming over to BF3. They just tend to complain, and ruin the game. I will end up buying both games, CoD for the campaign, and BF3 for the MP. :uzi::eek:

Vegaskingz
05-30-2011, 08:23 PM
I agree with the PC side of things, it will be harder to predict sales on that side. Of course I dont agree with the analyst; to outsell a game 3:1 would require a tremendous amount of copies and marketing power, which to be frank I dont think Call of Duty has, largely due to the influence of black ops. It will take a dedicated and talented marketing team to pull off those figures.

In respect to console, I believe there will be a large margin by which MW3 will outsell BF3. To the casual gamer MW3 will appeal the most.. action packed campaign, decent graphics and the all too familiar multiplayer will clinch it. Looking at this from the perspective of a marketing major student, it is really interesting how the brand name developed, and the gaming consumers view on each respective brand.

Miles Prower F6
05-30-2011, 08:53 PM
I think that COD is losing momentum. Look at these numbers from Metacritic. You can click the embedded link on the (console) for quick sourcing.

Modern Warfare 2(XBOX) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2)

100 critical reviews = 94% meta score.
1843 user reviews = 60% user score.

34% difference between critical and user tastes.

Modern Warfare 2(PS3) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2)

67 critical reviews = 94% meta score.
1241 user reviews = 57% user score.

37% difference between critical and user tastes.

Black Ops(XBOX) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-black-ops)

89 critical reviews = 87% meta score.
696 user reviews = 60% user score.

27% difference between critical and user tastes.

Black Ops(PS3) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/call-of-duty-black-ops)

58 critical reviews = 88% meta score.
438 user reviews = 58% user score.

30% difference between critical and user tastes.

Bad Company 2(XBOX)

75 critical reviews = 88% meta score.
596 user reviews = 87% user score.

1% difference between critical and user tastes.

Bad Company 2(PS3) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/battlefield-bad-company-2)

59 critical reviews = 88% meta score.
302 user scores = 86% user score.

2% difference between critical and user tastes.

Being on top means you gain the power of the brand name. But it also means you are expected to deliver high quality products on a regular basis or you begin losing that brand loyalty. Call of Duty launches 1 game per year and as you can see by the score differences, it seems like the users(us) are not as impressed as the critics. This makes sense because it is after all, the users who will play this game thoroughly while the critics may play the game for several hours before writing their review.

MW2 didn't even outsell BCo2 by a 2:1 ratio. Their 1 year sales were 10mil/5mil respectively and 5mil was for BCo was on par with other AAA games such as Gears of War.

So I think the author of this article is just a COD fan who has an obvious slant on his opinions.

Kunduz
05-30-2011, 09:49 PM
I'd take Battlefield over CoD any day.

Vegaskingz
05-30-2011, 11:07 PM
Its images like these which amaze me.. I hope DICE gets a lot of recognition through sales from this game.

http://www.thinkdigit.com/FCKeditor/uploads/b2-to-b3.jpg

damtalldylan
05-31-2011, 12:17 AM
The thing is, you could view this as a blessing or a curse. Its a curse that DICE doesn't receive more money for there work in actually improving the game unlike COD, who just add new skins/maps and peddle the same crap year after year. It's a blessing in that you don't have to deal with the two most annoying groups of people 1) Little kids with squeaky voices 2) The MLG Wannabees running around trying to get quick scopes and playing the game for the sole reason of getting footage for montages.

Also, it's not like the average mature gamer walks into a gamestop, looks at a copy of BF3 and MW3, and picks up MW3. The majority of people who buy COD on day 1 are kids 13 and under and people who the ONLY game they own is COD.

Dz06lt
05-31-2011, 12:23 AM
this is no suprise, im also shocked that most of you dont beleive it. Face it this will sell 20-25million BF3 will sell 5-8

xDEATHDEALERSxx
05-31-2011, 02:57 AM
this is no suprise, im also shocked that most of you dont beleive it. Face it this will sell 20-25million BF3 will sell 5-8
Oh, I believe it. The sad thing is (in my opinion), that the game that sells the most between the two, will not be the better of the 2 games

13ip0lar
05-31-2011, 03:20 AM
One thing I have brought to my friends attention is to look at it this way. If BF3 and MW3 come out at virtually the same time, then better for the BF players. You will get the kids that want to play it actually there, and the CoD scrubs will be too busy with their newest clone title. Everyone wins :D

Miles Prower F6
05-31-2011, 05:25 AM
I think people are underestimating EA, the 2nd most powerful name in video games only topped by Nintendo.

EA CEO John Riccitiello said that they're planning on spending upwards around 100 million dollars on advertising BF3 alone.

Battlefield is constantly gaining momentum while the Infinity Ward fallout with Activision only stands to weaken COD's momentum. If there was ever a time to take a bite out of COD now is the time.

No game can stay on top forever, they will one day make a mistake and get taken down.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
05-31-2011, 10:45 AM
One thing I have brought to my friends attention is to look at it this way. If BF3 and MW3 come out at virtually the same time, then better for the BF players. You will get the kids that want to play it actually there, and the CoD scrubs will be too busy with their newest clone title. Everyone wins :D
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!:woop:

Beefdagreat
05-31-2011, 09:34 PM
It will be sad but I do have high hopes that BF3 will sell a lot even if CoDMW3 could dominate the charts

vI-Youneek-Iv
05-31-2011, 09:43 PM
I don't doubt MW3 will outsell BF3 but that means all the kids who whine and cry on MW3 won't be on BF3, I rarely seen any kids like I see in the CoD community on the Battlefield community which wouldn't put me down.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
06-01-2011, 12:44 AM
I don't doubt MW3 will outsell BF3 but that means all the kids who whine and cry on MW3 won't be on BF3, I rarely seen any kids like I see in the CoD community on the Battlefield community which wouldn't put me down.
You got that RIGHT!!!!:woop:

Dz06lt
06-01-2011, 01:16 AM
I think people are underestimating EA, the 2nd most powerful name in video games only topped by Nintendo.

EA CEO John Riccitiello said that they're planning on spending upwards around 100 million dollars on advertising BF3 alone.

Battlefield is constantly gaining momentum while the Infinity Ward fallout with Activision only stands to weaken COD's momentum. If there was ever a time to take a bite out of COD now is the time.

No game can stay on top forever, they will one day make a mistake and get taken down.

You sir are crazy, BF3 gave the world 12 minutes and as soon as MW3 gave the world the first 30 seconds the war was over. Everone everywhere went apeshit over the 30 second teasers. Also if you dont think that Activision wich makes BILLIONS off this series isnt going to counter the 100 million with its own add blitz worth at least 100m you are even crazier...

Not saying BF3 wont be great im sure it will be and personally im getting both games. shaming one over the other is just rediculous

Miles Prower F6
06-01-2011, 05:27 AM
You sir are crazy, BF3 gave the world 12 minutes and as soon as MW3 gave the world the first 30 seconds the war was over. Everone everywhere went apeshit over the 30 second teasers. Also if you dont think that Activision wich makes BILLIONS off this series isnt going to counter the 100 million with its own add blitz worth at least 100m you are even crazier...

Not saying BF3 wont be great im sure it will be and personally im getting both games. shaming one over the other is just rediculous

Activision isn't as powerful as EA. EA has more financial muscle than Activision so Activision will not push the same marketing funds for their game. EA has double Activision's personel and outclasses them in revenue. EA is the second most powerful name in video games only beaten by Nintendo. Activision wasn't even such a top[ 5 name in gaming until the merger with Blizzard.

What's really crazy is the belief that COD is going to continue coasting along on it's name alone when the game is already demonstrating not only damage in its consumer base but also in the very foundation of Infinity Ward itself.

There's between a 27 and 30% difference between reviewer approval ratings and user approval ratings in MW2/BO on all consoles(as reported by Metacritic). Infinity Ward itself had to be "reconstituted" and it's so weakened by the ordeal that Activision had to pull in 2 more companies to reinforce Infinity Ward. That's a total of 3 individual companies working on the MW3 project.

Most importantly EA isn't going to spend this kind of money on a fruitless project. We will see results. Even if MW3 still outsells BF3 we're going to begin seeing a shift in Activisions grip on the shooter market. The combination of the damage done to Infinity Ward, and the users growing tired of COD's same game with a new coat of paint formula is going to be their undoing.

generaldamian
06-01-2011, 09:04 AM
I think cod elite needs to be taken into account. People might not buy MW3 out of protest to the premium subscription especially if battlefield has the same features for free.

Burnout x360a
06-01-2011, 09:08 AM
I'll buy both and enjoy both.

Dz06lt
06-02-2011, 12:40 AM
Activision isn't as powerful as EA. EA has more financial muscle than Activision so Activision will not push the same marketing funds for their game. EA has double Activision's personel and outclasses them in revenue. EA is the second most powerful name in video games only beaten by Nintendo. Activision wasn't even such a top[ 5 name in gaming until the merger with Blizzard..

Perhaps you should do a little more research before posting... Lets look at 2010 and 2009 for that matter..... :uzi:


For all of 2010 (Jan-Dec), EA had revenues of $3.478b with losses of $397m. Compared to 2009, both revenues and losses are down EA had revenues of $3.535b and losses of $749m



Activision Blizzard reported results well above Wall Street’s expectations. Net revenues came in at $4.80 billion, compared with $4.78 billion in 2009.


Looks like you got it backwards man. :woop:. Not to mention That you may be too young to remeber but Activision got into gaming on the ground floor


Activision is an American video game developer (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Video_game_developer) and publisher (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Video_game_publisher), majority owned by French conglomerate (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Conglomerate_(company)) Vivendi SA (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Vivendi_SA). Its current CEO and president is Bobby Kotick (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Bobby_Kotick). It was founded on October 1, 1979[4] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-3) and was the world's first independent developer and distributor of video games (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Video_game) for gaming consoles (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Video_game_console). Its first products were cartridges for the Atari 2600 (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Atari_2600) video console system published from July 1980 for the US market and from August 1981 for the international market (UK).[5] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-4) Activision is now one of the largest third party (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/third_party) video game publishers in the world and was also the top publisher for 2007 in the United States.[6] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-5) On January 18, 2008, Activision announced they were the top US publisher in 2007, according to the NPD Group (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/NPD_Group).[7] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-6) .


Just another FYI Activision spent 50m to market MW2 so 100m is no where near out of the question especially with a peer competitor trying to challenge it.


What's really crazy is the belief that COD is going to continue coasting along on it's name alone when the game is already demonstrating not only damage in its consumer base but also in the very foundation of Infinity Ward itself..

damaging is consumer base? laughable you do realize that Black ops has destroyed every other games in sales including MW2 before it. more proof that its not "damaged" is the weekly XBL played reports which consistantly show the last 4 CoD games in the TOP 15 played games on live.....


There's between a 27 and 30% difference between reviewer approval ratings and user approval ratings in MW2/BO on all consoles(as reported by Metacritic). Infinity Ward itself had to be "reconstituted" and it's so weakened by the ordeal that Activision had to pull in 2 more companies to reinforce Infinity Ward. That's a total of 3 individual companies working on the MW3 project..

Point 1: The user metascore means shit, in case you dont recall there are constantly fanboy hate wars with these games. for example the Uncharted 2 vs Halo 3 user rating battle. Its a joke and a poor example....

Point 2: Yep IW was reconsituted, and yes they brought in help but thats only because of the lawsuit and the fact that they were behind the development schedule. It was necessary also you may or may not know that Raven who is one of those companies "pulled in" did all of the DLC work for Black Ops so i dont see this as any different.




Most importantly EA isn't going to spend this kind of money on a fruitless project. We will see results. Even if MW3 still outsells BF3 we're going to begin seeing a shift in Activisions grip on the shooter market. The combination of the damage done to Infinity Ward, and the users growing tired of COD's same game with a new coat of paint formula is going to be their undoing.

Nothing more to say other than this is hateboy speculation becuase its not going to happen. In case you didnt know EA mastered this with Madden and rock band.....

Miles Prower F6
06-02-2011, 08:18 PM
Perhaps you should do a little more research before posting... Lets look at 2010 and 2009 for that matter..... :uzi:

Looks like you got it backwards man. :woop:. Not to mention That you may be too young to remeber but Activision got into gaming on the ground floor

Just another FYI Activision spent 50m to market MW2 so 100m is no where near out of the question especially with a peer competitor trying to challenge it.

damaging is consumer base? laughable you do realize that Black ops has destroyed every other games in sales including MW2 before it. more proof that its not "damaged" is the weekly XBL played reports which consistantly show the last 4 CoD games in the TOP 15 played games on live.....

Unsourced material is unsourced. We can make quote boxes and put anything that sounds legit in them, anyone intelligent isn't going to be compelled by what you posted unless you source them.


Point 1: The user metascore means shit, in case you dont recall there are constantly fanboy hate wars with these games. for example the Uncharted 2 vs Halo 3 user rating battle. Its a joke and a poor example....

Point 2: Yep IW was reconsituted, and yes they brought in help but thats only because of the lawsuit and the fact that they were behind the development schedule. It was necessary also you may or may not know that Raven who is one of those companies "pulled in" did all of the DLC work for Black Ops so i dont see this as any different.

Your first point is a fallacy of composition. To say that the user score results of 2 games apply to all games is not convincing.

Here's a list of Raven Software's games. They were founded in 1990 and published their first game in 1992. Working on DLC packs for 2 games is not the background you need to develop a AAA title, more specifically the market leader in FPS.


Black Crypt (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Black_Crypt) (1992)
Shadowcaster (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Shadowcaster) (1993)
CyClones (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Cyclones_(video_game)) (1994)
Heretic (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Heretic_(video_game)) (1994)

Heretic expansion pack: Shadow of the Serpent Riders (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Heretic_(video_game)#Expansion_pack) (1994)

Hexen (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Hexen) (1995)

Hexen expansion pack: Deathkings of the Dark Citadel (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Hexen#Expansion_pack) (1996)

Necrodome (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Necrodome) (1996)
Mageslayer (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Mageslayer) (1997)
Take No Prisoners (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Take_No_Prisoners_(video_game)) (1997)
Hexen II (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Hexen_II) (1997)
Hexen II: Portal of Praevus (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Hexen_II#Expansion_pack) (1998)
Heretic II (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Heretic_II) (1998)
Soldier of Fortune (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Soldier_of_Fortune_(video_game)) (2000)
Star Trek: Voyager – Elite Force (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Voyager_%E2%80%93_Elite_Force) (2000)
Star Trek: Voyager Elite Force: Virtual Voyager (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Voyager_%E2%80%93_Elite_Force#Versions_ and_sequels) (2001)
Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Jedi_Knight_II:_Jedi_Outcast) (2002)
Soldier of Fortune II: Double Helix (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Soldier_of_Fortune_II:_Double_Helix) (2002)
Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Jedi_Knight:_Jedi_Academy) (2003)
X-Men Legends (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/X-Men_Legends) (2004)
X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/X-Men_Legends_II:_Rise_of_Apocalypse) (2005)
Quake 4 (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Quake_4) (2005)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Marvel:_Ultimate_Alliance) (2006)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/X-Men_Origins:_Wolverine_(video_game)) (2009)
Wolfenstein (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_(2009_video_game)) (2009)
Singularity (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Singularity_(video_game)) (2010)
Call of Duty: Black Ops (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops) DLC (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Downloadable_content) Call of the Dead (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Black_Ops#Zombies) (2011)[5] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-4)[6] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-5)
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Call_of_Duty:_Modern_Warfare_3) multiplayer (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/wiki/Multiplayer_video_game) (2011)
Untitled James Bond Game (TBA)[7] (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/#cite_note-GameSpot-6)
I also don't know where you get the revenue stats from considering that EA has been number 2 for 2010 and 2009 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_publishers#Selected_video_game_publishe rs), it sounds like you're just saying whatever you want and just trying to pass it off as fact.

More likely I'm dealing with a COD kool-aid drinker. So I find it ironic that I'm being accused of being a "hateboy" when my materials are sourced and factual as compared to the kool-aid drinker who just says anything he/she wants.

Miles Prower F6
06-02-2011, 08:28 PM
Funny I was just browsing XBL market place and learned that BCo2 has a higher XBL rating than COD Black Ops. In fact even Transformers War for Cybertron has a higher rating than COD Black Ops. Bad Company 1 and COD WAW are only a few spots away from COD Black Ops(3 and 4 spots respectively).

It just goes to show you that you that your name brand can carry you, you can break sales records, and in the end that doesn't make you "all that".

In order for MW3 to out sell BF3 by the 3-1 margin they're going to have to somehow break their previous lifetime sales of 12 million on the console.

BF3 is going to be somewhere between 5-7 million on the XB360. Which means MW3 is going to have to be between 15-21 million on the XB360 as well. Just not going to happen, COD has more room to lose since it's already at the top while BF simply has more room to gain since it's the rising competitor.

So unless people think that COD is going to be the "Mario" of shooters, it will lose it's momentum when the players grow tired of the formula.

Dz06lt
06-03-2011, 01:02 AM
the funny thing is that YOU are the fanboy, hateboy or coolaid drinker here. You dont think those figures are acurate try using google becuase they are. All publicly traded compaies are required to file 10k reports on earnings and revenues, I know it may sound complicated to you but thats how the real world works. Good luck reading big boy reports

http://investor.ea.com/annuals.cfm
http://investor.activision.com/sec.cfm?DocType=Annual&Year

Also you might want to stop double posting before a mod slaps a ban on you

edit: you used Wiki as a "reliable" source

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091218002804/uncyclopedia/images/f/f4/Picard-facepalm.jpg

exo-apollo
06-06-2011, 06:51 AM
Haha this thread is mint. An arrow flies further with tense bow, so I am glad BF3 goes up against MW3. So come October I'll be eating some delicious wild boar which I downed with two perfectly strung arrows fired from my Bow of Money, strung with my tense string of commercial rivalry. And a wicked Quiver made out of leather and fur or maybe bark, it doesn't really matter.

Itstheimpaler
06-06-2011, 08:18 PM
Haha this thread is mint. An arrow flies further with tense bow, so I am glad BF3 goes up against MW3. So come November I'll be eating some delicious wild boar which I downed with two perfectly strung arrows fired from my Bow of Money, strung with my tense string of commercial rivalry. And a wicked Quiver made out of leather and fur or maybe bark, it doesn't really matter.


haha well said :Bounce:

Natetendo83
06-06-2011, 10:52 PM
Wouldn't surprise me. If BF3 on consoles was half of what BF3 is going to be on PC I'm sure it would be much closer.

AFreakinCabbag3
06-07-2011, 07:29 AM
I Battlefield is constantly gaining momentum while the Infinity Ward fallout with Activision only stands to weaken COD's momentum. If there was ever a time to take a bite out of COD now is the time.

No game can stay on top forever, they will one day make a mistake and get taken down.

You keep saying IW is the reason CoD will fail but if anyone I think its Treyarch that drag CoD down every title from them I have bought I have returned to playing the previous IW game until the next CoD comes out. Treyarch just seem to ride off the back of IW when it comes to games too see CoD3 for there quality of work without copying and pasting, heck I even played spiderman and the first wall I climbed I got stuck in the middle of the building inside the map now thats workmenship for you.

I was all for getting BF3 just to tide me over until MW3s release but I figured they would release it nearer the start of Oct but for the sake of like 10 days its not worth it so I'll probs pick it up later for cheap or pre owned.

Also the gameplay trailer looked rather unimpressive even the bit I assume was the UAV was boring.

Cav Clayton
06-07-2011, 01:59 PM
It's probably better off that BF3 is getting less credit. That way they try harder and put more effort in to becoming the 'cod-killer' they've always wanted to be.

Tbh though, CoD will probably end up killing itself and they all move to BF.

Outside of America, BF is pretty horrible connection-wise. Which is why I hope they smarten up and think about fans around the world.

Itstheimpaler
06-07-2011, 03:33 PM
I think Treyarch should stray away from COD and produce a nazi zombies game, not like left for dead something that actually has a story line not little levels like L4D

TheUglyCasanova
06-07-2011, 10:27 PM
I dont want all of the halo hopping COD players coming over to BF3.

Wow..moron. You are acting like you are already are in some super secret group of people...within a game...that isn't..even out.. yet? :confused: /facepalm

Guess what, I will be getting this day 1, I've play Halo and CoD (as well as growing up with Doom and Wolfenstein 3d) and I have as much right to be 'here' as you or the next 12 year old.

So stop trying to act like some elitist because protip: you're nothing special. :)

Mongolian Beef
06-07-2011, 10:32 PM
Cool. No surprises here.

Justin Bieber outsells [insert your favorite artist here] does it mean he's better?
Twilight/Avatar outsell [insert your favorite movie], your movie must suck... get the idea yet?

Sales are not indicative of quality.

JohnnyR74
06-07-2011, 10:40 PM
I'm pretty sure Modern Warfare 3 will outsell Battlefield 3. Better game/developer or not, the Call of Duty name is still immensly popular.

I don't exactly have high hopes for MW3, but I know I'll be getting it on release regardless. Battlefield 3 looks promising to say the least.

AFreakinCabbag3
06-07-2011, 11:17 PM
Sales are not indicative of quality.

Quality is about taste and opinion so that is not an indicative of which is better. Take Fallout3 for example I found it boring roaming the wastes doing nothing but seeing blank destroyed lands and I wouldn't recommend playing it but many people on my friend list love it and will happily play in 30 times over exploring every little cave.

BUZZARDIO 1080
06-13-2011, 09:03 AM
i want mtv to do bf3 vs mw3 celebrity deathmatch

Bajan Elite
06-15-2011, 05:30 PM
I think that COD is losing momentum. Look at these numbers from Metacritic. You can click the embedded link on the (console) for quick sourcing.

Modern Warfare 2(XBOX) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2)

100 critical reviews = 94% meta score.
1843 user reviews = 60% user score.

34% difference between critical and user tastes.

Modern Warfare 2(PS3) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2)

67 critical reviews = 94% meta score.
1241 user reviews = 57% user score.

37% difference between critical and user tastes.

Black Ops(XBOX) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/call-of-duty-black-ops)

89 critical reviews = 87% meta score.
696 user reviews = 60% user score.

27% difference between critical and user tastes.

Black Ops(PS3) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/call-of-duty-black-ops)

58 critical reviews = 88% meta score.
438 user reviews = 58% user score.

30% difference between critical and user tastes.

Bad Company 2(XBOX)

75 critical reviews = 88% meta score.
596 user reviews = 87% user score.

1% difference between critical and user tastes.

Bad Company 2(PS3) (http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/battlefield-bad-company-2)

59 critical reviews = 88% meta score.
302 user scores = 86% user score.

2% difference between critical and user tastes.

Being on top means you gain the power of the brand name. But it also means you are expected to deliver high quality products on a regular basis or you begin losing that brand loyalty. Call of Duty launches 1 game per year and as you can see by the score differences, it seems like the users(us) are not as impressed as the critics. This makes sense because it is after all, the users who will play this game thoroughly while the critics may play the game for several hours before writing their review.

MW2 didn't even outsell BCo2 by a 2:1 ratio. Their 1 year sales were 10mil/5mil respectively and 5mil was for BCo was on par with other AAA games such as Gears of War.

So I think the author of this article is just a COD fan who has an obvious slant on his opinions.


You can't take user scores too seriously, fanboys of rival games will deliberately post a low score, and a review saying the game sucks just to drop the score. Even if they haven't played the game. It was done on this site as well, games would have low user scores despite the fact that they weren't even out yet.

Also 1843 user reviews for MW2
596 user reviews for BF:BC2

That's a huge difference in gamers who reviewed COD and those who reviewed Battlefield.

100 critic reviews for MW2
75 critic reviews for BF:BC2

25 critic review difference, so how exactly can you use these numbers to make a valid argument? If 1843 users reviewed both MW2 and BF:BC2 and MW2 had 60% and BF:BC 86% then you can use this, but that's not the case so you can't.

Sgt Cortez92
06-16-2011, 03:29 PM
To be quite honest i think BF3 will be a better game, i used to be a call of duty junkie but activision just kills every franchise that makes it money, they did it with guitar hero, tony hawk now CoD, it's sad but it's true. If you release a game every year there is little room for improvement and its the same washed down experience anyway.

Tatanko
06-16-2011, 08:30 PM
To be quite honest i think BF3 will be a better game, i used to be a call of duty junkie but activision just kills every franchise that makes it money, they did it with guitar hero, tony hawk now CoD, it's sad but it's true. If you release a game every year there is little room for improvement and its the same washed down experience anyway.
Amen, brother. I miss the days when GH and Tony Hawk didn't suck :(

Barad
06-16-2011, 09:52 PM
MW3 will be sell 5 times more than this, I still think not enough people played BC2, I'm looking forward to this more than cod and gears anyway.

Opiate42
06-17-2011, 06:08 PM
I'll buy both and enjoy both.

Ditto, both already on pre-order.

MediumMelanin
06-18-2011, 04:04 AM
I haven't heard about there being over 1,000,000 preorders for CODMW3 like for GOW3...so, what's up? Well, I don't want COD players playing BF3, so I can care less which has more sales. BF3>CODMW3 in every way.

ll Mr Bubbles ll
06-21-2011, 07:54 PM
it probably will, and i hope it does as i dont wanna every kid and their squeaky voices playing. The battlefield community is great with good mature gamers ... unlike cod.

SpectreSoldier
06-24-2011, 10:48 PM
I'll get both anyways they are really cool games!

Cooljoe
06-29-2011, 07:43 AM
I still can't believe the popularity of call of doody:drunk it seems like battlefield will never get the respect it deserves. It's a dirty shame. Call of doody I get bored of in 5 minutes. Bad company 2 I put in over 200 hours in. I really do hope the day is soon that the sway of many people will go from call of doody to battlefield.

The Dutch Pinyo
07-04-2011, 05:09 PM
Yeah well, it probabaly will... But the Modern Warfail 3 players will miss out a lot. BF3 will stomp MW3 to the ground!

TRoW WAR GMRoW
07-06-2011, 01:56 PM
Once again, can't we all just get along? ;)

Kaiyo
07-09-2011, 08:06 PM
Well half of the majority of people that will buy MW3 are little kids and its good since I rather want those punks screaming and noobing in MW3 instead of screaming and noobing in Battlefield 3.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
07-09-2011, 08:40 PM
Wow..moron. You are acting like you are already are in some super secret group of people...within a game...that isn't..even out.. yet? :confused: /facepalm

Guess what, I will be getting this day 1, I've play Halo and CoD (as well as growing up with Doom and Wolfenstein 3d) and I have as much right to be 'here' as you or the next 12 year old.

So stop trying to act like some elitist because protip: you're nothing special. :)
WOW, Sorry to offend you Mr. Sensitive. I was never acting like "some elitist". I am glad that you will be getting this on day 1, and I am glad that you play Halo, and Cod, I am also glad that you grew up playing Doom and Wolfenstein 3D, and yes you do have as much right to be "here" as I do, and the next 12 year old, btw I am 31, not 12.
I am nothing special. Thanks for the protip!!!!
:drunk

Kaiyo
07-10-2011, 04:35 PM
it probably will, and i hope it does as i dont wanna every kid and their squeaky voices playing. The battlefield community is great with good mature gamers ... unlike cod.

Thats right. I agree right there.

rc deaths agent
07-10-2011, 08:28 PM
I'll be buying both but i do like battlefield more. The thing about cod is that it has become a pastime for the world it seems. Every year everyone and their friends get cod in november and play together through the holidays.

IMO cod has become a bit stale as far as gameplay goes while battlefield is still progressing and innovating. I think/hope DICE has perfected their franchise with Battlefield 3.

Kaiyo
07-11-2011, 07:23 AM
CoD has been going stale for me.

chelseaman99
07-12-2011, 05:32 PM
I'll be getting both but I think in terms of multiplayer Battlefield 3 will be the best. All my friends just play CoD though which is why I'll also get that.

This year was the first year I haven't played much Call of Duty, as has been mentioned because it's released every single year it just gets boring eventually.

Mighty Goliath89
07-12-2011, 05:35 PM
I think both will do alright altough its most likley cod will outsell everything again sadly, I just hope its better than black ops even then it will be the last cod game I buy.

TAI JASON
07-14-2011, 09:22 AM
BF3 will be the better game.

Not so many scripts, better MP mode, quads, tanks, choppers and airplanes, balanced classes, not so many, but better balanced weapons, no terrible killstreaks ever sec.

I canīt stand the graphic engine form CoD anymore, itīs always the same. I play this game too, but after i get most of the achivements i will quit and go to Battlefield MP. Like i allways do...

xKRAIZEEMANx
07-16-2011, 04:27 PM
Guess what....Either way you are going to push buttons and kill people......Everything else is semantics and opinions.

Tatanko
07-16-2011, 05:35 PM
Guess what....Either way you are going to push buttons and kill people......Everything else is semantics and opinions.
Thanks for reducing the discussion to nothing. If you could just go ahead and repost the same thing in every comparison thread of every shooting game, that would be great. Thanks.

Kaiyo
07-16-2011, 08:43 PM
Justin Bieber songs are sold than your favorite artist's songs but they're not better.
The Klitschko vs Haye match sold out more than UFC 132 but the boxing match was snoresfest while the majority of the fights on the fight card were slugfests.
Same principal with CoD: Modern Warfare 3 and Battlefield 3 with Battlefield 3 being the better one while Call of Duty: MW3 being the casual game where everyone, their friends, their kids and their grandma has it.

xKRAIZEEMANx
07-17-2011, 05:56 AM
Thanks for reducing the discussion to nothing. If you could just go ahead and repost the same thing in every comparison thread of every shooting game, that would be great. Thanks.
I think these types of posts do not need any help in being reduced to nothing.

Tatanko
07-17-2011, 02:14 PM
I think these types of posts do not need any help in being reduced to nothing.
Then don't be part of the problem. Simple as that.

xKRAIZEEMANx
07-17-2011, 03:24 PM
Then don't be part of the problem. Simple as that.
Seems like you need to quote everyone else and reply the same thing. But I am well aware of perpetuation on forums, so I bid thee adieu.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
07-18-2011, 10:38 PM
Pissing Contest!!!

Minty
07-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Jeez, how many of you have had hands on with either game?

So you're basically following some youtube videos and personal opinions. Great lemming impression...

DEG23
07-19-2011, 03:57 AM
Does anyone else think it's strange that Modern Warfare hasn't released their collector's editions yet. Don't they normally release details months in advance, all other games coming out around that time have released info on bonus content/special editions.

Maybe they're hoping they can get additional pre-orders once the first round has dried up?

I know EB convinced me to pre order modern warfare 3 telling me that there would be a very limited stock of special editions available this time. I just wanted the bonus poster

Denizens44
07-19-2011, 11:09 AM
The thing is, you could view this as a blessing or a curse. Its a curse that DICE doesn't receive more money for there work in actually improving the game unlike COD, who just add new skins/maps and peddle the same crap year after year. It's a blessing in that you don't have to deal with the two most annoying groups of people 1) Little kids with squeaky voices 2) The MLG Wannabees running around trying to get quick scopes and playing the game for the sole reason of getting footage for montages.

Also, it's not like the average mature gamer walks into a gamestop, looks at a copy of BF3 and MW3, and picks up MW3. The majority of people who buy COD on day 1 are kids 13 and under and people who the ONLY game they own is COD.

Really? My little cousin Alex plays battlefield and CoD happily and reacts to everything maturely. He honestly doesn't care about people trying to be "MLG" and quickscope. He works well with the players in both games.

OT: I really don't care about sales, im getting both games because I don't like fanboyism. Also the people who are hating Mw3 will probably get it anyway. :uzi:

Tatanko
07-19-2011, 01:54 PM
Really? My little cousin Alex plays battlefield and CoD happily and reacts to everything maturely. He honestly doesn't care about people trying to be "MLG" and quickscope. He works well with the players in both games.
Then your little cousin Alex is wise beyond his years, because he definitely doesn't fit the majority :p

KNUCKS x360a
07-19-2011, 02:03 PM
That's to be expected really, we all know that at least 60% of the planet are ignorant fools anyway! (and/or Bush voters back in the day:p)

Denizens44
07-19-2011, 07:32 PM
Then your little cousin Alex is wise beyond his years, because he definitely doesn't fit the majority :p

I myself is suprised also about that.

Kaiyo
07-20-2011, 08:18 PM
I know for a fact that CoD: MW3 will not have dedicated servers not even once, it's always host like the previous games.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
07-20-2011, 09:49 PM
I know for a fact that CoD: MW3 will not have dedicated servers not even once, it's always host like the previous games.
And for me, Thats one of the biggest problems with the previous CoD games.:woop:

CIF
07-21-2011, 12:59 AM
I love how everyone bashes the COD community when I see spawn camping every time it's possible (usually when Rush attackers have to parachute in), Recons who contribute almost nothing, and Medics that revive you into death or don't at all.

Don't get me wrong, I love the games and pre-ordered as soon as the full Fault Line trailer came out, but it's not like there aren't a lot of douchebags playing Battlefield as well.

xDEATHDEALERSxx
07-21-2011, 01:45 AM
I love how everyone bashes the COD community when I see spawn camping every time it's possible (usually when Rush attackers have to parachute in), Recons who contribute almost nothing, and Medics that revive you into death or don't at all.

Don't get me wrong, I love the games and pre-ordered as soon as the full Fault Line trailer came out, but it's not like there aren't a lot of douchebags playing Battlefield as well.
Theres Douchebags playing everygame online :woop:

TagsxA
07-21-2011, 04:19 PM
I'll be getting both games, but only because they are both completely different from each other.

COD - Run 'n Gun fun without the worry of being part of a team

BF - True Team play with VEHICLES

Kaiyo
07-22-2011, 05:06 AM
I know for a fact that CoD: MW3 will not have dedicated servers not even once, it's always host like the previous games.

And for me, Thats one of the biggest problems with the previous CoD games.:woop:

Oh yeah thats a problem with the CoD series when Activision charges you extra money for nothing. What are they doing with the extra money thats not used for anything useful like dedicated servers or of the sorts.

Clericking
07-24-2011, 07:59 PM
This is because 3:1 of the earths population are morons
I played modern warfare two and no way am going any where near MW3

KIRBER
07-25-2011, 08:46 PM
The best part about sells figures is that they can't predict how good a game will be. MW3 may out sell BF3 3:1, but I now it will not be 3 times better. Call of duty has become complacent and will soon fall from glory to all that is BF3.

Verdinial
07-25-2011, 08:48 PM
Everyone knows Call of Duty will always outsell, that's not the point though. Quality will always prevail.

Vegaskingz
07-25-2011, 10:13 PM
Interesting news, borderline drama as BF3 pre-orders matching Black Ops preorders on console. Nice! :D

Kaiyo
07-27-2011, 04:13 AM
Everyone knows Call of Duty will always outsell, that's not the point though. Quality will always prevail.

Quality over quantity. Besides I don't wanna see them little punks in a real man's game that has longevity.

Blakestone
07-28-2011, 10:32 AM
MW3 will obviously outsell BF3. You'd be foolish to think otherwise.

Veedrock
07-28-2011, 10:49 AM
Quality over quantity.

I don't understand this argument at all. Do you really think that MW3 is going to get poor reviews? Or that reviews for Battlefield 3 will be exceptionally better?

Metacritic scores for Call of Duty:
Modern Warfare - 94
World at War - 84
Modern Warfare 2 - 94
Black Ops - 87

For all the talk about Call of Duty being a cash cow and rehashed games, the series sits extremely well with critics. Modern Warfare 3 will score somewhere in the high 80s/lower 90s, so I need it explained to me how the title won't qualify as a "quality" title.

Not only is MW3 going to outsell everything under the sun, it's going to be a critical success. Another successful instalment to a critically acclaimed series. It's not fair to only label it as "quantity." So the equation should read:

(Quantity + Quality) > Quality :: MW3 > BF3

Personal opinions won't change this. Call of Duty has been dead to me since the launch of MW2 but that doesn't mean it's any less successful or that Battlefield is better by default.

Tatanko
07-28-2011, 01:42 PM
It's not fair to give a new game a lower rating when it's the same as the old game. That would be like giving the same game two different ratings :p

Boom, you just got served sucka (not really).

InsaneKane87
07-28-2011, 06:01 PM
I'll be getting both games, but only because they are both completely different from each other.

COD - Run 'n Gun fun without the worry of being part of a team

BF - True Team play with VEHICLES

This ^

Battlefield series is more realistic in my eyes. The guns in COD seem to have high recoil and the sound lol... like the bullets are bouncing off the person. Like your being shot with pee's. Watching someone run annoys me as well.

If MW3 does outsell BF3 which I highly doubt it will only be because of the hype.

Burnout x360a
07-28-2011, 06:03 PM
The guns in COD seem to have high recoil

If you played MW2 you wouldn't think so :p

slayerxD
07-28-2011, 09:33 PM
Well at least there won't be 10 year olds on BF3.

InsaneKane87
07-29-2011, 06:36 AM
Well at least there won't be 10 year olds on BF3.

I hope not, I did read somewhere that there will be even more cursing in MP. I doubt that will stop parents.

mosenwrath5
08-05-2011, 11:58 PM
This year MW3 will blow away Battlefield 3 in sales. I believe BF3 is the superior game but its inevitable. I think it's all up to Treyarch next year to totally turn around the Call Of Duty series or the next Battlefield game will eat COD alive. I don't believe Treyarch will be able to do it though since the only good thing in there games is the Zombie mode.

Dz06lt
08-06-2011, 01:41 AM
Well at least there won't be 10 year olds on BF3.

You are pretty damn stupid if you think that, just look how much money EA is spending to take this game mainstream. Its inevitable