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KAPiNG
09-03-2011, 04:15 AM
Anyone else feels like me? Not hyped about it? I mean yeah its COD il buy it fershure but man without seeing the title I would of tought MW2 or BOPS with a new map pack.

NOTHING CHANGED! like m4 sounds the same ect? WTH My cousin was in the army and visited him on camp once m4 doesnt sound like a pellet.

I dont know if Il be able to play this till prestige 10 or 15..just looks like a remake too much getting tired.. Even battlefield its getting too much the same.

I hope Gears is good and forza and skyrim to keem me happy lol.

Guitarr Steve
09-03-2011, 04:49 AM
I agree. It looks like a graphical copy of MW2 with a couple attempts to introduce new ideas that look shitty and unrealistic. They failed epically on trying to make this like CoD4. The killstreaks still look OP. Same guns. And 80 levels? WTF?

KAPiNG
09-03-2011, 06:35 AM
Yeah i agree.. Its gonna be fun but wont last... Seriously like they could of made his mw3 so realistic in sounds and animation if loading ur weapon like never before seen.. Its not like they made the game from scratch.. They been doing remakes since cod 4..should of hired some plps to come up wih new shit..

Like said IMO itl be fun but wont last.Think about it im a tru fan but its been 4 games in a row that uses the same basics and just implements new guns or maps.
Atm im just hyped for the Solo play. As far as lvl 80 10 or 15 times its a no go for me unless wed get new weapons like a tar21 or something out of the no prestige list.

Schism
09-03-2011, 06:51 AM
Looks cool...but im definitely not as Hyped as I was for mw2. It just seems like they are trying to hard to compete with Battlefield and adding to much shit. Still will get it, but definitely not In love with it.

SynysterChris
09-03-2011, 06:52 AM
From the multiplayer announcement on xbox live dashboard, the guy was talking about the lone-wolf or OneManArmy load-out, sounds so broken to me. Getting all perks is like WTF, ok so after my 6 or 7 kill streak I'm invincible, lol.
Though the weapon proficiency crap sounds cool but I know its just going to be the same as MW2 weapon challenge crap, though at least its better then doing it for nothing but a stupid skin.

True I Skill
09-03-2011, 10:38 AM
At first i thought i was watching a troll video that would switch to a rick-roll after playing some MW2 Gameplay pretending to be MW3.

I found it hard to tell the difference, Oh apart from them Giant floating magical dogtags they have around the place. Is that seriously there best new feature added to multiplayer... I know they have a year to make the game but c'mon, After a whole year that is the best they could do? They never even bothered to make them fit in at all?

I stopped with COD after mw2. Black ops i played another persons copy and really enjoyed, Thought i'd wait for MW3 but nope. I guess i'l just pick up Black ops now.

I wonder how many years COD will last with the same content being released each year. Heck i bet they are already planning Call of duty black ops 2.

jb369
09-03-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm new to the forum, and I am quite a big CoD fan but i see where you're coming from. I think it looks okay, but no better than MW2, minus a few tweaks here and there.

Andreas_loel
09-03-2011, 11:02 AM
I loved all the vids, 80 lvls? Sure ill do it because the game looks amazing. My hype returned

AFreakinCabbag3
09-03-2011, 11:37 AM
I loved all the vids, 80 lvls? Sure ill do it because the game looks amazing. My hype returned

I think you should stick to 40 based on BO's. ^^

Kal_El
09-03-2011, 11:48 AM
another 20days played easily! the game doesn't look like much of a visual improvement maybe...but cod still holds up...i am a cod veteran...it's all about the fun factor and what they do to keep pushing the bar! and after analyzing all the perks and killstreaks and gameplay for a good 4hours! i am blown away by mw3! and already preordered the hardened edition! Multiplayer Game of the Year....well we'll see gears 3 is 1 of my fave games all time and that MP is just fantastic! so we'll see :)

pauly_27
09-03-2011, 12:24 PM
Underwhelmed after seeing it, and that's the first time I've said that about a COD game coming up to it's launch hype. This will be the first COD I won't be getting on launch day. I'm no fanboy, nor do I want to start a flame war, but when you see the advancements in games like Gears 3 and Battlefield 3 compared to this, well, there is no comparison really.

The game really needs to take a break after this one and be rebuilt from the bottom up. People got bored of Black Ops pretty quickly, and this just looks more of the same.

Hallowgraves
09-03-2011, 02:44 PM
Underwhelmed after seeing it, and that's the first time I've said that about a COD game coming up to it's launch hype. This will be the first COD I won't be getting on launch day. I'm no fanboy, nor do I want to start a flame war, but when you see the advancements in games like Gears 3 and Battlefield 3 compared to this, well, there is no comparison really.

The game really needs to take a break after this one and be rebuilt from the bottom up. People got bored of Black Ops pretty quickly, and this just looks more of the same.

Maybe you got bored of Blops quickly but my friend's list and I are still going strong in it.

institutions
09-03-2011, 02:50 PM
There's not a whole lot you can change in a modern military shooter and keep it the same.

The whole genre is stale.

Guitarr Steve
09-03-2011, 03:12 PM
I know they have a year to make the game but c'mon, After a whole year that is the best they could do? They never even bothered to make them fit in at all?

They have 2 years to make it actually.

Efase
09-03-2011, 03:33 PM
I'll put it like this: I'll rent it, I'll complete the campaign, I'll get some achievements then I'll give it back. Not looking forward for it at all.

i got squeezed
09-03-2011, 04:09 PM
And 80 levels? WTF?


Lol, yeah I know. I freaked out when I read that they have 80 levels. Like are you shitting me IW, and Sledgehammer? I hope there isn't over 10 prestiges.

I love Modern Warfare games, and this one is going to be the best. Other people have opinions and thats ok.

Stormy2k
09-03-2011, 04:41 PM
BO had the leveling up spot on, low down and not such a grind like MW2, but hopefully there will be more chances to earn XP in MW3.

The game does look a tad graphicaly bettwer than MW2 and I like the new skins for the weapons and point streaks, but I feel like they're cramming to much into the MP.

I thought they would go back to basics like COD4, pure and simple, but now theres a weapon perk slot and point streaks to help your team out etc.

Still, I enjoyed MW2 so I am looking forward to ,W3, but I'll be on BF3 until then.

xXmyxxmastaXx
09-03-2011, 08:20 PM
Lol, yeah I know. I freaked out when I read that they have 80 levels. Like are you shitting me IW, and Sledgehammer? I hope there isn't over 10 prestiges.

I love Modern Warfare games, and this one is going to be the best. Other people have opinions and thats ok.

lol theres 20

Vegaskingz
09-03-2011, 09:47 PM
lol theres 20

source?

/char

fastNcurious
09-03-2011, 09:48 PM
I thought they would go back to basics like COD4, pure and simple, but now theres a weapon perk slot and point streaks to help your team out etc.

Still, I enjoyed MW2 so I am looking forward to ,W3, but I'll be on BF3 until then.

I also thought they would be simplifying things, but it seems just the opposite. You've got your 3 packages, and then you've got a whole list of stuff within each one. In addition, the videos make the airstrikes seem just as overpowered as it was in MW2. I guess we'll have to see how it all plays out in actual games though.

As for people that are saying it looks too much like MW2, I personally think that's a good thing.

The one main thing that would make it or break it for me with MW3 is the matchmaking/netcode or whatever the technical term is -- specifically, I hope it's not as laggy as BO. Lack of lag in CoD4 was the best (possibly because it was a much simpler game), MW2 was acceptable, BO is a rage fest.

i got squeezed
09-04-2011, 08:06 AM
lol theres 20

There's not 20, its 80 levels look it. Couple guns are at level 74, and RPG is level 80.

Burnout x360a
09-04-2011, 08:23 AM
There's not 20, its 80 levels look it. Couple guns are at level 74, and RPG is level 80.

He was talking about prestiges.

Chaosx721
09-04-2011, 09:40 AM
Just watched some gameplay footage and got to admit I'm a little disappointed that it looks exactly like MW2. No sort of UI changes other then the killstreaks, no UI changes just makes it look boring to me.

Other then that I'm enjoying the changes they are making. One thing I hope they do is what BO did with the killstreaks and it should be a fun game for me.

Burnout x360a
09-04-2011, 09:55 AM
Other then that I'm enjoying the changes they are making. One thing I hope they do is what BO did with the killstreaks and it should be a fun game for me.

You mean non-stacking?

You'll be disappointed then as they stack like MW2.

MxPx
09-04-2011, 10:00 AM
If they're going to stack killstreaks they surely need to spread them out more. Instead of a 3,5,7 make it a 3, 9, 18.

Chaosx721
09-04-2011, 11:36 AM
You mean non-stacking?

You'll be disappointed then as they stack like MW2.

I mean when you're killstreak kills counts towards your killstreak. But now that I think about it if you're getting points for kills now I'm sure it will, hope you get less points for killstreak kill. Killstreak is the only thing I'm concern I have for this game, just seemed every game in MW2 had like 30 helicopters and 30 harriers all game and just made it really boring and felt like it took no skill to play.

KeyOfDarkness
09-04-2011, 02:52 PM
I mean when you're killstreak kills counts towards your killstreak. But now that I think about it if you're getting points for kills now I'm sure it will, hope you get less points for killstreak kill. Killstreak is the only thing I'm concern I have for this game, just seemed every game in MW2 had like 30 helicopters and 30 harriers all game and just made it really boring and felt like it took no skill to play.

Assault killstreak kills stack, support don't.

E.g. assault on, get 7 kills, call in chopper, it gets you 2 kills, get 9 killstreak.
Support on the other hand doesn't, you have to get kills with your gun or by capping objectives.
And well... specialist don't have killstreaks so it's pointless talking about it :U

Burnout x360a
09-04-2011, 02:57 PM
specialist don't have killstreaks so it's pointless talking about it :U

Rather 'perkstreaks' ;)

i got squeezed
09-04-2011, 05:25 PM
He was talking about prestiges.

Why would there be 20 prestiges? There's not even proof of what he said, so he can't back it up. Its not even on the internet. Robert would've announced it at the XP event last 2 days.

RBmaster9345
09-04-2011, 06:10 PM
I'm kinda turned off but not for the same reason as you. I think they've thrown too much shit into the game for the sake of variety. They've added a lot of COOL stuff but not necessarily the RIGHT stuff

Andreas_loel
09-05-2011, 11:54 AM
BO had the leveling up spot on, low down and not such a grind like MW2, but hopefully there will be more chances to earn XP in MW3.


Black ops levling is way to quick, there is no effort in it at all.
If they kept it like BO then i guess i could get max prestige quite fast, which isnt what i want. Its something to work for, when you finish the prestige grind the game gets a bit dull, atleast they will have challenges and titles and shit <3

Mw2 took me around 20 days to get 70 10th
currently on black ops 8/9 days 47 10th (i also sold the game and didnt play it for about 5 months)

TAI JASON
09-05-2011, 12:05 PM
The only CoD i love was the MP in MW 1.

Besides that the CoD games allways look the same and the old bosses of Infinity Ward get there asses kicked, because they say they donīt want a new CoD every year (cash cow, and they are right!), itīs simply too much.

I mean, come on guys: Too many modifications, killstreaks and other stuff, they simply forget the game behind everything, robots, turrets, cluster mines...my god -.- why not reducing a little bit? Back to the roots?

MW 2 was too much for me, i stop playing it after 10 ours, i just hate it now. Treyarch CoDīs are shit, i never play them in MP.

(18 million map packs sold, i ask myself why everybody say: I hate TREYARCH CoDīs, but they sold more add ons then any other CoD?!?!?)

After all i stay away from the MP again and only play the Campaign on Veteran.

MxPx
09-05-2011, 03:46 PM
The only CoD i love was the MP in MW 1.

Besides that the CoD games allways look the same and the old bosses of Infinity Ward get there asses kicked, because they say they donīt want a new CoD every year (cash cow, and they are right!), itīs simply too much.

I mean, come on guys: Too many modifications, killstreaks and other stuff, they simply forget the game behind everything, robots, turrets, cluster mines...my god -.- why not reducing a little bit? Back to the roots?

MW 2 was too much for me, i stop playing it after 10 ours, i just hate it now. Treyarch CoDīs are shit, i never play them in MP.

(18 million map packs sold, i ask myself why everybody say: I hate TREYARCH CoDīs, but they sold more add ons then any other CoD?!?!?)

After all i stay away from the MP again and only play the Campaign on Veteran.

So you don't really hate Treyarch CODs, you just jump on the fanboy bandwagon? lol

Treyarch makes games for skilled players...IW makes games for unskilled players. Why do you think the killstreaks stack? Why do you think there are deathstreaks? Why do you think their games are so prevalent to modders/hackers?

Guitarr Steve
09-05-2011, 03:57 PM
Treyarch makes games for skilled players...IW makes games for unskilled players. Why do you think the killstreaks stack? Why do you think there are deathstreaks? Why do you think their games are so prevalent to modders/hackers?
IW doesn't intend for their games to be for unskilled players, Bowling has said many times that he likes everyone to be able to play their game style as they wish.

And I've been killed easily by unskilled players with the FAMAS in Black Ops and the MP40 in WaW. Treyarch makes guns for unskilled players to use too. Both producers have to make aspects of the games for unskilled players. Helps sell the game.

Burnout x360a
09-05-2011, 04:16 PM
IW doesn't intend for their games to be for unskilled players, Bowling has said many times that he likes everyone to be able to play their game style as they wish.

And I've been killed easily by unskilled players with the FAMAS in Black Ops and the MP40 in WaW. Treyarch makes guns for unskilled players to use too. Both producers have to make aspects of the games for unskilled players. Helps sell the game.

I agree and even then errors are made. Neither developer is perfect and I enjoy the games either way.

snipingheadshot
09-05-2011, 04:28 PM
80 levels is way too much, unless you can rank up from 1 to 10 in one game of HQ or something. How many prestiges are there though? I hope it's only 10.

KeyOfDarkness
09-05-2011, 04:38 PM
80 levels is way too much, unless you can rank up from 1 to 10 in one game of HQ or something. How many prestiges are there though? I hope it's only 10.

According to Fourzerotwo it takes the same amount of time as level 1 to 70 on MW2, split that up into 80 levels and it feels like less time while actually being the same.

The Elite Elite
09-05-2011, 04:40 PM
OP, you aren't the only one who isn't hyped by MW3. So far, all the MP videos of MW3 give me the same feeling that I got whenever I saw MP videos of MW2 before its release. With MW2, the feeling was that IW is trying to throw in a lot of stuff that at first SOUNDS cool (What, I can use an AC-130 in MP?! AWESOME!) but actually ruin the game. Here, its that this looks exactly like MW2's MP. No thank you, I've already tried that and absolutely hated it. So I'll stick with a game that has MP that I actually enjoy, Black Ops, and get MW3 for campaign and spec-ops later on when it goes down in price.

AFreakinCabbag3
09-05-2011, 05:07 PM
So you don't really hate Treyarch CODs, you just jump on the fanboy bandwagon? lol

Treyarch makes games for skilled players...IW makes games for unskilled players. Why do you think the killstreaks stack? Why do you think there are deathstreaks? Why do you think their games are so prevalent to modders/hackers?

Considering I've came across about 10 modded/hacked lobbies which is about 0.1% of all the matches I've played. If only I'd ran into just 10 dashboarding hosts...

Also I find Tryarch's CoDs alot less enjoyable due to the slow pace mainly, and I also find the vast majority of the Black Ops community that I get matched with are really, really bad players...

I wouldn't say Black Ops is a overly skillful game tbh it has alot less nooby things yes but the hip fire accuracy is a joke for one.

StillTIPPIN187
09-05-2011, 07:19 PM
So you don't really hate Treyarch CODs, you just jump on the fanboy bandwagon? lol

Treyarch makes games for skilled players...IW makes games for unskilled players. Why do you think the killstreaks stack? Why do you think there are deathstreaks? Why do you think their games are so prevalent to modders/hackers?

well for one, when both games came out.. unsigned code couldn't be ran on live.. so they figured they were set with just disc security and not "In game" security.. 2 months after MW2 dropped Jtags and unsigned code wrecked the game.

and whats even worse is that WaW doesn't even need a jtag to be modded.. all it needs is a mod disc as it has no disc security or in game security..

that game has more hacks now then MW2 ever did.. and even more than CoD4 does now.

and idk about the skilled part.. i dont really consider pushing buttons a skill. I think black ops is easier if that means anything.

And yes, i find treyarch games less enjoyable myself.

TAI JASON
09-06-2011, 05:37 AM
So you don't really hate Treyarch CODs, you just jump on the fanboy bandwagon? lol

Treyarch makes games for skilled players...IW makes games for unskilled players. Why do you think the killstreaks stack? Why do you think there are deathstreaks? Why do you think their games are so prevalent to modders/hackers?


Yeah i REALY hate Treyarch CoDīs MP. I play them for 2 ours and stop playing them, the fact is i stop CoD MP after MW 1.

I donīt know at which point iīm a fanboy?!? How old are you...?

The whole MP sytem is simply too much. Thats what iīm talking about. Too many stuff, streaks, perks... i donīt even know if i play a mod or a MP game. MW 1 was a great game in MP, but after i play MW 2... well every 2 minutes something kill you, rockets, helicopters, air strikes...it has nothing to do with skills if somebody lay in a dead corner with a rifle and getting killstreaks. The most stupid thing are the random streaks form the support drop. Thats simply not balanced.

I know you can hate me know, but in MY EYES CoD has nothing to do with skills sometimes, even a Noob can get 5 lucky shots and blows up everything with streaks.

Andreas_loel
09-06-2011, 10:37 AM
Woot Black ops has sold the most dlc?

Fun Fact: I HAVENT BOUGHT A SINGLE BO DLC = I win

Also BO was the last Treyarch game i will buy ever, they dont learn and are just awful at creating gun balance.

F3aR tH3 pSychO
09-06-2011, 11:05 AM
I agree. It looks like a graphical copy of MW2 with a couple attempts to introduce new ideas that look shitty and unrealistic. They failed epically on trying to make this like CoD4. The killstreaks still look OP. Same guns. And 80 levels? WTF?

Why is everyone so mad about this game? It's going to b awesome! I'm hyPed for it, and I'm def going to go to the last prestige, and yah it has 80 levels but, they did state it's not going to take as long to level up as it did in mw2, and since when has CoD been "realistic"? No one ever said that CoD was supposed to b a "realistic" game! That wud b battlefield, which I'm buying, along with this game, so either way ima have something to play along with also Skyrim.

Guitarr Steve
09-06-2011, 11:48 AM
Why is everyone so mad about this game? It's going to b awesome! I'm hyPed for it, and I'm def going to go to the last prestige, and yah it has 80 levels but, they did state it's not going to take as long to level up as it did in mw2, and since when has CoD been "realistic"? No one ever said that CoD was supposed to b a "realistic" game! That wud b battlefield, which I'm buying, along with this game, so either way ima have something to play along with also Skyrim.
I've already changed my mind about it since then. I just reacted too quickly. We've only seen a couple gameplay videos. No one knows what it will be like just yet.

F3aR tH3 pSychO
09-07-2011, 10:28 AM
I've already changed my mind about it since then. I just reacted too quickly. We've only seen a couple gameplay videos. No one knows what it will be like just yet.

Ok I'm srry for flipping shit about ur post, it's just that everyone makes that arguememt that cod is supposed to b realistic when it was never portrayed as such, but either way I'm hyped

DEG23
09-08-2011, 06:33 AM
I've already changed my mind about it since then. I just reacted too quickly. We've only seen a couple gameplay videos. No one knows what it will be like just yet.

If you take anything from the main multiplayer video released a while ago it's that you can run around with all new perks and killstreaks owning everyone for a few minutes, but will be taken out by a camper.

purpleinsect
09-08-2011, 06:35 AM
If only they would add multiplayer achievements, then I'd be interested a lot longer. But they never will.

Hamburgerous
09-08-2011, 07:58 AM
If only they would add multiplayer achievements, then I'd be interested a lot longer. But they never will.

And I thank them for it so, so much.

Burnout x360a
09-08-2011, 08:10 AM
And I thank them for it so, so much.

Likewise, MP achievements are annoying most of the time.

Cooljoe
09-16-2011, 04:17 AM
Op you are my new best friend. But seriously you guys, it looks like same old game for the pastbfew years now. Let's go bf3:woop:

turf90
09-16-2011, 06:20 AM
Well i love cod and i think mw3 is gonna be great also i think that the prestige shop will get people wanna prestige more this is my opinion no-one else's :)

fastNcurious
09-16-2011, 05:32 PM
But seriously you guys, it looks like same old game for the pastbfew years now. Let's go bf3:woop:

I will be getting and playing BF3 as well. I think even if MW3 right now "looks" like the same ole, you will really need to play it to be sure. So many changes, plus new maps, and hopefully none of the lag from BO. And I need my S&D fix!!

OgorekRulez
09-16-2011, 10:46 PM
Ok so what I'm getting from This site on all the cod forums is that a LOT of people loved mw2 but it had many flaws and how blops sux and wish it was more like mw2, and how people want better graphics ect but wveryone wants something new but different? Why do something different when it works! Mw1 and 2 were amazing campaign and multiplayer, and this is the game play everyone wants and loves so why not just make it better? I'm stoked for this game cuz it just the right balance of new and old

SlapCheekMOMBO
10-18-2011, 12:56 PM
Looks like a garbage remake of mw2. Oh well, as long as theres fresh lines of 12 year olds lining up, cod will keep putting out the same crap for years to come.

rickyfeeney
10-19-2011, 10:03 AM
i thought the game looked good. its introduced slight changes that dont change the gameplay massively, but improve the style of the game.
the perks look to have been polished and the introduction of point streaks encourages people to do more on objective gametypes.
There isnt huge change, but i am happy about this.
i agree that they could have done more with the audio and graphics.
obviously we will have to wait for the game to come out.
Still really excited for single player however.

upindat
10-19-2011, 01:01 PM
I agree with most of the post here. just another version of mw2. some of the shit they are adding reminds me of shit in homefront. But everybody copys everbody these days. Not suprised if we didnt see destructable buldings now in MW3

ZingZitang
10-19-2011, 09:14 PM
I'm kinda turned off but not for the same reason as you. I think they've thrown too much shit into the game for the sake of variety. They've added a lot of COOL stuff but not necessarily the RIGHT stuffThis was the Exact Reason for how modern warfare 2 turned out. Too Much Unnecessary stuff.


MW 2 was too much for me, i stop playing it after 10 ours, i just hate it now. Treyarch CoDīs are shit, i never play them in MP.

(18 million map packs sold, i ask myself why everybody say: I hate TREYARCH CoDīs, but they sold more add ons then any other CoD?!?!?)

I agree with your view on modern warfare 2, but Why do You Hate Treyarch's Call of Duty Games so much? Especially if you barely gave playing them a Chance. What is So Bad about them? I would say World at War is the Best Call of Duty to date.

You say yourself that you barely gave Treyarch's Games a Chance, so you really Can't Legitimately say they Are shit.

Also BO was the last Treyarch game i will buy ever, they dont learn and are just awful at creating gun balance.Wait, so Treyarch Creates Guns that Have some Semblance of recoil, and are in general a little more difficult to master than say. . . Any gun in modern warfare 2, and they're Unbalanced?

On Topic. I was never hyped for this game, nor was I for modern warfare 2. But I will be getting this anyway(mostly to see how they do the P90, MP7, and G36c) and - although difficult - Attempting to Reserve Judgement until it gets here.

Nevander
10-19-2011, 10:21 PM
You mean non-stacking?

You'll be disappointed then as they stack like MW2.

Personally I am for stacking.

It only makes sense. YOU are getting KILLS. It's not like you aren't getting kills (either with a predator missile or a harrier). Sure, the harrier isn't you and you aren't physically controlling it, but it's YOUR harrier and it's YOUR kills and YOUR killstreak.

Just my two cents.

ZacAttack159357
10-19-2011, 10:50 PM
Personally I am for stacking.

It only makes sense. YOU are getting KILLS. It's not like you aren't getting kills (either with a predator missile or a harrier). Sure, the harrier isn't you and you aren't physically controlling it, but it's YOUR harrier and it's YOUR kills and YOUR killstreak.

Just my two cents.
Well it depends, for something like an ac 130 which is easily 10+ kills you can dominate the game and get a nuke, but if its like a predator missile you will probably get 2 or 3 if your lucky which doesn't influence it too much.

Cooljoe
10-19-2011, 11:59 PM
I will be getting and playing BF3 as well. I think even if MW3 right now "looks" like the same ole, you will really need to play it to be sure. So many changes, plus new maps, and hopefully none of the lag from BO. And I need my S&D fix!!

I will. I'm getting it too. But since there are no multiplayer cheevs, thank god, I don't even have to glance at the multiplayer selection screen rofl

Ice Car
10-20-2011, 12:06 AM
I'm not hyped, but I actually like the direction they are going in. Looks like they're making the game that they want, not the "fans", which is better in my opinion. Looking at Black Ops, I've hardly seen anyone praising the game and have seen only hate and disdain for it since release.

It looks like a revamped, reskinned version of MW2. Nothing new about it. I still like the direction it's going in.

Drakunzar
10-20-2011, 12:26 PM
I saw the multiplayer footage video, and yeah I'm definitely hyped for it.

It's clearly not a 'graphical copy' of MW2 like some say. The engine has been tweaked, the graphics look to have been upscaled and look to be at even higher resolutions than the already great quality of MW2, and it still runs at solid 60 FPS. They've added a lot of new weapons, equipment, and other things. They've listened to what their customers want and they are trying to make everyone happy.

This is going to be another solid blockbuster from the IW and SHG team, and if you can't see the amount of effort and hours put in to making this then you clearly need a new outlook on the industry.

snipingheadshot
10-20-2011, 03:14 PM
Personally I am for stacking.

It only makes sense. YOU are getting KILLS. It's not like you aren't getting kills (either with a predator missile or a harrier). Sure, the harrier isn't you and you aren't physically controlling it, but it's YOUR harrier and it's YOUR kills and YOUR killstreak.

Just my two cents.

I agree. They are your killstreaks getting kills. But on the other hand, if a 7 killstreak can get a person an 11 or 15 killstreak so easily, maybe they shouldn't stack. Or maybe, that killstreak is too powerful (harriers). I'm so used to non stacking killstreaks in Black Ops, it doesn't bother me.

Looks like they're making the game that they want, not the "fans", which is better in my opinion, look where Black Ops ended up: Universally hated almost everyone.

How is Black Ops universally hated by almost everyone? A few months ago, it was one of the top 5 games played on XBL, and it was above MW2. That clearly contradicts what you're claiming.

Nevander
10-20-2011, 06:00 PM
look where Black Ops ended up: Universally hated almost everyone.

I am proud to say that I am one of those Black Ops and Treyarch haters. IW is better when it comes to CoD, mainly because they started CoD. Treyarch only did one good thing for CoD and that was the addition of the zombies mode.

ash356
10-20-2011, 06:17 PM
I'm not hyped for CoD or BF to be completely honest. In fact, I had no idea which of the two to get until this morning.
Then I saw this comment on a MW3 news article:
'Indeed. Mainstream game for those who want other people to tell them what to play, just like Xfactor tells them what to listen to.'
I guffawed. Not buying the game because its 'Mainstream'? If Battlefields now going to be full of bloody hipsters, I'm steering well clear of that.

ZingZitang
10-20-2011, 08:42 PM
It's clearly not a 'graphical copy' of MW2 like some say. The engine has been tweaked, the graphics look to have been upscaled and look to be at even higher resolutions than the already great quality of MW2, and it still runs at solid 60 FPS. They've added a lot of new weapons, equipment, and other things. They've listened to what their customers want and they are trying to make everyone happy.

This is going to be another solid blockbuster from the IW and SHG teamI don't know what Video you saw, but it looks Identical to modern warfare 2. Not just graphically, Graphics are irrelevant at this point. The way the Characters move, the Way the Weapons Shoot(along With a distinct lack of Recoil for the mainstream crowd), the game just looks like it plays just like modern warfare 2. Even Guys who Actually PLAYED the Game at the XP Event said that it Plays just like modern warfare 2.

And Of course it will be a Blockbuster, but simply because its Call of Duty.

look where Black Ops ended up: Universally hated almost everyone.

Lawl. Oh Really?

I am proud to say that I am one of those Black Ops and Treyarch haters. Name one Legitimate Reason the Treyarch is bad At Call of Duty? What have they done thats bad? Creating a game that takes more thought rather than headless chicken running? Creating weapons that not Every Random Monkey off the street can instantly dominate with(Weapons that require more skill)? Creating Fantastic, believable Stories thats not some Recycled Hollywood Garbage? Or Maybe Creating Character models and weapons that Don't look like shiny brand new plastic and instead look worn down and used?

Don't tell me something that you personally don't like. Tell me something that They did Wrong.

KeyOfDarkness
10-20-2011, 10:38 PM
Don't tell me something that you personally don't like. Tell me something that They did Wrong.

Fire rates on the guns.

Having the same gun re-skinned is a terrible way to make a FPS game.
Two main fire rates were 750rpm and 937.5rpm with only the Skorpion and M60 having seperate ones built into the game.

Take the AK-47 and the Commando for example, same damage stats, same fire rate, same recoil and recoil pattern just different iron sights.

This makes a lot of guns obsolete and will give you no reason to use them over the others, the FAMAS being the prime example of this, 3 hit kill in range, low recoil and the fastest firing speed without rapid fire.
Compared to the AK-47 the FAMAS is the superior choice in combat, the AK is still a 3 hit kill in range, has more recoil and has a slower firing speed.

Anyway, apart from that, they went a terrible route with the character models, giving a person a certain model for a perk is completely against what Call of Duty has done, if you see somebody with a ghillie suit you assume sniper due to previous games, and I know it took myself quite a while to completely shake it out of my gaming pattern.

And the COD point system while being "new" I felt detracted from the game somewhat, by the time you hit level 50 you couldn't have unlocked all guns and attachments via level up COD points as you could with previous COD games.
You were never given a reason to use other guns rather than a minimal xp boost that you could get for doing well with your favourite gun, no reason to switch up your gun or playstyle throughout your whole online experience.

Anyway that's where they went wrong, if you disagree then fine but from what I've played of the game (which is much more than I'd like to admit)

fastNcurious
10-20-2011, 10:40 PM
Name one Legitimate Reason the Treyarch is bad At Call of Duty? What have they done thats bad?

Ooooo....I can help with that!!!

- boring multiplayer maps: predictable and makes you feel like you've worn out your welcome in less than a week of playing

- technical problems: Horrible sound effects. Sometimes sound generated far away sounds like it's right next to you. Laggiest of all the CoDs (it's not my connection), probably due to their inability to properly program netcode.

- boring, emotionless campaigns: CoD:WaW repetitive push forward, push forward, push forward, push forward toward a predictable ending. BO: I just didn't care. After playing it once, I had no urge to revisit it. CoD4 had heart. MW2 was over-top-summer-blockbuster so admittedly not "realistic drama" or on the same caliber as CoD4, but at least it was fun.

- ineptitude in game design: If your only solution to making a game more difficult (on Veteran) is infinite spawns (including areas that you've already cleared behind you in CoD:WaW) and enemies with aimbots and godly precise grenade spamming, then why are you even in the game design business? A 5 year old can do that.

Edit: forgot to add
- CoD pts took away the thrill of leveling up and prestiging.

- Contracts encouraged rage quitting and people playing in non-optimal ways. For example, I was trying to spend a night playing HC SnD games. One of the contracts for the day was win an entire HC SnD game without losing a single round to the enemy. Guess how many people rage quit as soon as our team lost one round? (That's a rhetorical question.)

snipingheadshot
10-20-2011, 11:19 PM
Fire rates on the guns.

Having the same gun re-skinned is a terrible way to make a FPS game.
Two main fire rates were 750rpm and 937.5rpm with only the Skorpion and M60 having seperate ones built into the game. Take the AK-47 and the Commando for example, same damage stats, same fire rate, same recoil and recoil pattern just different iron sights. This makes a lot of guns obsolete and will give you no reason to use them over the others, the FAMAS being the prime example of this, 3 hit kill in range, low recoil and the fastest firing speed without rapid fire.
Compared to the AK-47 the FAMAS is the superior choice in combat, the AK is still a 3 hit kill in range, has more recoil and has a slower firing speed.

Anyway, apart from that, they went a terrible route with the character models, giving a person a certain model for a perk is completely against what Call of Duty has done, if you see somebody with a ghillie suit you assume sniper due to previous games, and I know it took myself quite a while to completely shake it out of my gaming pattern.

While that is a valid point, I think he meant problems that Black Ops has that other CoD games don't because every CoD game has this to an extent.

I thought it was a good idea. If you see somebody with Flak Jacket, you'll know grenades/explosives are pointless. If you see somebody with Ghost, you know they aren't on the UAV and if you saw someone on the UAV close by, you'll know there's another person nearby.

- boring multiplayer maps: predictable and makes you feel like you've worn out your welcome in less than a week of playing

- technical problems: Horrible sound effects. Sometimes sound generated far away sounds like it's right next to you. Laggiest of all the CoDs (it's not my connection), probably due to their inability to properly program netcode.

- boring, emotionless campaigns: CoD:WaW repetitive push forward, push forward, push forward, push forward toward a predictable ending. BO: I just didn't care. After playing it once, I had no urge to revisit it. CoD4 had heart. MW2 was over-top-summer-blockbuster so admittedly not "realistic drama" or on the same caliber as CoD4, but at least it was fun.

- ineptitude in game design: If your only solution to making a game more difficult (on Veteran) is infinite spawns (including areas that you've already cleared behind you in CoD:WaW) and enemies with aimbots and godly precise grenade spamming, then why are you even in the game design business? A 5 year old can do that.

Edit: forgot to add
- CoD pts took away the thrill of leveling up and prestiging.

- Contracts encouraged rage quitting and people playing in non-optimal ways. For example, I was trying to spend a night playing HC SnD games. One of the contracts for the day was win an entire HC SnD game without losing a single round to the enemy. Guess how many people rage quit as soon as our team lost one round? (That's a rhetorical question.)

He said


Don't tell me something that you personally don't like. Tell me something that They did Wrong.


I guess you overlooked that. Personal opinion about the game is irrelevant.

Boring maps: opinion.

Sound and connection problems: The 60+ people in my clan and myself haven't noticed any of these problems and we've played since release date. Most of us use a headset as well.

Campaign: opinion.

Infinite spawns: Only one CoD game has strayed away from the infinite spawn system in campaign (MW2). Again, if almost every other CoD has this, it's just silly to criticize one.

CoD points: opinion.

Contracts: I agree contracts like that can be bad, but they still increase the playability of the game which is what a lot of people want.

fastNcurious
10-20-2011, 11:58 PM
I guess you overlooked that. Personal opinion about the game is irrelevant.

Just FYI, not trying to argue. I did read everything he wrote, but I think it's a matter of one's viewpoint in determining whether or not something is opinion (i.e., it's a fine line like determining genius from madness).

For example, if I had said I don't like the time period they chose and I don't like the color palette they used, then that would be blatant opinion, in my view.

Saying multiplayer maps are predictable is less so (I say "less so," because obviously to you it is opinion). If I can predict with extreme certainty where people are coming from, that's not as much of an opinion.

As an analogy: saying Apple makes horrible products = blatant opinion. Saying Apple stock has been increasing and is likely to increase in the foreseeable future = less of an opinion because based somewhat on facts (though some would still consider it an opinion).

Same with my other points. In fact, some of the points I mentioned are ones that I first learned about from reading about problems in the game before I even had the game. The sound issue was known when the game released and patched by the developers, hence you don't notice it now perhaps.

Again, not trying to argue. Just clarifying. (I hate drama.)

snipingheadshot
10-21-2011, 12:33 AM
Just FYI, not trying to argue.

Saying multiplayer maps are predictable is less so (I say "less so," because obviously to you it is opinion).

The sound issue was known when the game released and patched by the developers, hence you don't notice it now perhaps.


I never see it as arguing. Only discussing. If we were swearing at each other randomly with no valid points, it would be arguing. :p

I was only referring to the fact that you said they were boring. Not the predictability of them. Not sure what you mean by predictability, though. If anyone plays a game long enough, they'll know the maps.

I knew about it, but as far as I know, it was only affecting Ninja or Ninja Pro users (can't remember). I only used Tac Mask Pro at that time.

Ice Car
10-21-2011, 02:21 AM
I go to a lot of places. A lot of the... level-headed people just hate the game. There's a hell of a lot of hate for it, and I've seldom seen anyone standing up for it or praising it for the longest time now, only hate. People complaining all the time about aspects of the game they dislike and are never satisfied.

Maybe I should tone down "universally hated" and make it "hated by a lot of people". My point still stands, from what I've seen, people, including myself, disliked where the game headed this time. I liked the idea that they listened, but not the outcome. I think it would be best to leave it to the developers to figure out what they want to do.

There are some things they did right, which I liked, but there were a lot of things they did wrong, like being every fan's bitch and patching everything that people complained about.

Insomniacs
10-21-2011, 04:17 AM
I run and gun while maintaining a 3+ k/d on a consistant basis. It's all about the 1v1. If you can get a fair 1v1... Then it's not a fair fight. I really enjoyed that video. You should keep making them. was funny. Only thing that I didn't understand was a silenced vector on the third story.

snipingheadshot
10-21-2011, 04:36 AM
There's a hell of a lot of hate for it, and I've seldom seen anyone standing up for it or praising it for the longest time now, only hate.

Maybe I should tone down "universally hated" and make it "hated by a lot of people".

like being every fan's bitch and patching everything that people complained about.

That's because more people bitch about games than they do praise it. Go back to the MW2 forums and look at all the bitching about that game.

Still doesn't make sense. How can it supposedly be hated by a lot of people, which implies majority, but be one of the most played games on XBL?

They patched 3 guns total in the time span of 11 months. That's a lot of changes. /sarcasm

Ice Car
10-21-2011, 06:17 AM
That's because more people bitch about games than they do praise it. Go back to the MW2 forums and look at all the bitching about that game.

Still doesn't make sense. How can it supposedly be hated by a lot of people, which implies majority, but be one of the most played games on XBL?

They patched 3 guns total in the time span of 11 months. That's a lot of changes. /sarcasm

Not necessarily people bitching, but people disliking the game. I'm talking about multiple sites right now, a lot of people. I'll hardly find anybody who actually likes or plays it. It's hardly "accurate", because it's only personal experience and "not enough", but someone has to actually define how much "a lot" or "the majority" is. I can't ask everyone or enough people to be considered "a majority", all a single person can do is draw conclusions from personal experiences.

From what I've seen, if something is bitched about enough, it gets patched. A lot of these times, I disagreed with it.

ConfederateSuga
10-21-2011, 07:16 AM
Hey, atleast thanks to IGN, we know it's better than Battlefield 3.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/10/20/igns-top-dog-decides-modern-warfare-vs-battlefield

fastNcurious
10-21-2011, 07:39 AM
I go to a lot of places. A lot of the... level-headed people just hate the game. There's a hell of a lot of hate for it, and I've seldom seen anyone standing up for it or praising it for the longest time now, only hate. People complaining all the time about aspects of the game they dislike and are never satisfied.

I know your experience and my experience hardly qualifies as scientific fact, but I too have heard universal dislike for BO. Surprisingly (to me anyways), most of it by knowledgeable sounding folks during game chats. Related to this comment...


Still doesn't make sense. How can it supposedly be hated by a lot of people, which implies majority, but be one of the most played games on XBL?

...what I usually hear is that people hate it and are playing it because it's the latest, and because they're tired of being put in lobbies with noobs or hackers in CoD4, WaW, MW2 (understandably, due to lack of support by developers).

Those are also the main reasons I played BO. I tried to replay CoD4 and MW2, but I got tired of noobs who just bought these games because of price drops or hackers who float above/outside of maps or who kept killing me from who-knows-where.

Besides, large numbers of people playing a game doesn't mean they like it. Second, I bet you anything that sales of BO and the number of people online playing BO would not be as high if zombies were not in it. Such a gimmicky add-on, imo.

ConfederateSuga
10-21-2011, 07:57 AM
Do you honestly believe the majority of some 20+ million people only got Black Ops because it was the latest thing to play? That's stupid. Rage came out last month, and while a lot of people did get it, it didn't sell near 20 million copies -_-. The fact of the matter is, people know they can't go wrong with a Call of Duty game these days. There's no such thing as a "bad" CoD game. Even CoD3 is better than most other franchises (Homefront, Medal of Honor) and it was the worst in the franchise. Call of Duty is a safe bet and people can bitch and whine all they want, but it's always going to be the game of choice. I honestly don't see anything stopping it, or even slowing it down. The series has outsold both Halo and Battlefield combined over all of their iterations and CoD's here to stay. If they release the same game every year and 20+ million people buy it, that just proves the old saying, "if it isn't broke, don't fix it".

ConfederateSuga
10-21-2011, 08:15 AM
Had to do some digging. Black Ops actually sold 25 million copies, while BFBC2 sold only 8 million. Not bad by any means, but that's like comparing a bag of peanuts to a peanut factory. Also, total franchise sales for Call of Duty are now officially at 104 million sales and Battlefield is at 28 million sales. Am I saying that numbers matter? Yes and no. Obviously since CoD is outselling BF 4:1, I think that speaks volumes. You may say quality over quantity, but that's invalid. I'll give you that maybe 1/3 of the people that get CoD get it because it's the "cool" thing to have, but the majority get it because they like the experience it provides. And a lot of people, myself included, are turned off by vehicular combat. If BF was a pure shooter like CoD, there would be no comparison. And to anyone that says MW3 has overpowed by killstreak rewards, stfu! Being able to jump in a fucking jet or helicopter at the start of a game without earning it is 10x worse than someone EARNING 15+ kills in a row and risk it being shot down within seconds. The ONE time I used a helicopter on Battlefield BC, I got 20+ kills within a couple minutes, so don't talk to me about MW3's killstreaks being over-powered. Vehicles aren't my forte. I don't like them. It's the reason I don't play the bigger maps on Halo Reach, because of the scorpions and wraiths. It takes no skill to use a vehicle and anyone that says otherwise is a noob. Plain and simple. Rant complete. Stevecrest out!

ZingZitang
10-21-2011, 04:37 PM
Fire rates on the guns. Grasping at Straws, but Very Well.

How about the G36c and the M4A1? These Guns even had the exact Same Sound Effects from Reloading to shooting. Who did this? Infinity Ward. And the Same Goes for most Weapons in modern warfare 2 as well. Also did you play World at War? Every single Weapon in World at War Had Very Unique animations, sounds, Fire Rates. Who did this? Treyarch. One more thing, you mentioned recoil at one point. At least Treyarch's weapons have recoil. . .

Anyway, apart from that, they went a terrible route with the character models, giving a person a certain model for a perk is completely against what Call of Duty has done, if you see somebody with a ghillie suit you assume sniper due to previous games, and I know it took myself quite a while to completely shake it out of my gaming pattern.This also isn't something that was "Wrong". Although I Agree to a Certain Extent, but only about Ghillie Suits. This is a Good thing. A new Game is Suppose to Change the Way you think about Certain things. Doing any less is simply Lazy.

I'll try not to simply Reiterate Headshot's Retort.

- boring multiplayer maps:
This isn't something they did wrong. But I can't refute your opinion without my own. I felt Black Ops' had much better maps than either modern warfare game, but the maps Definitely were not their best work(World at War's Maps were). Black Ops' Maps are more strategic and require more thought(For the most part).

And Why is everyone talking like Black Ops is the Only Call of Duty Treyarch has made? Did you play World at War? To this Day I still find things on those maps that I never knew were there. And I played World at War for two Years.(Went back after Realizing that modern warfare 2 was terrible) The Maps in World at War are some of the best multiplayer maps I've played in any game.

- technical problems: Horrible sound effects- lag.
The only Sound problem was with with Ninja, while walking on Concrete. That was fixed straight away. And I can Agree the Sound Effects aren't as Good as they were in World at War, but You can at least hear what direction people are when they move or shoot, which isn't something I can say for either modern warfare game.

And As for lag, I assume you played modern warfare 2 yes? In modern warfare 2 you Could, and many times would get killed after running around a corner, into a building, up some stairs, and around another corner. While the Person who Killed you was still standing outside the Building! I've never had any lag like that in Black Ops. I rarely lag at all.

- boring, emotionless campaigns:
Once again I can't say anything about your opinion without inputting my own. I'm a history buff. I thoroughly enjoyed World at War's Campaign. Because it was pretty Historically Accurate. And Come on, Kiefer Sutherland and Gary Oldman? Awesome Voice Actors. Same Goes for Black Ops. Amazing Voice Actors, well aside from Ice Cube Sickle. And even though the Campaign isn't as Historically Accurate, some of the crazy shit in Black Ops' Campaign still Actually Happened. Read Up on the Cold War, you'll be surprised. Whats Amazing is how Treyarch took Real Life Historical Events, people, locations and Conspiracy Theories from the Cold War(Which lasted from 1947 to 1991) and used the Conspiracy theories and general lack of public Knowledge about the events to weave a great story.

- ineptitude in game design:
Like Headshot said, the only game to not do this has been modern warfare 2. And Even Black Ops only had it in a couple of places. This Goes all the way back to Call of Duty 2.
Being able to jump in a fucking jet or helicopter at the start of a game without earning it is 10x worse than someone EARNING 15+ kills in a row and risk it being shot down within seconds. Please tell me your not Comparing modern warfare killstreaks to Battlefield Vehicles. They are so wholly different that your entire argument is moot. Its so pointless in fact, that I don't even need to respond.

cHRiSCOe
10-21-2011, 04:40 PM
Who knows. It may be the greatest shooter ever made. Let's talk about how good or bad it is after its released.

snipingheadshot
10-21-2011, 04:58 PM
I'll hardly find anybody who actually likes or plays it.

From what I've seen, if something is bitched about enough, it gets patched. A lot of these times, I disagreed with it.

Everyone in the clan I'm in likes and plays it. Everyone in the thousands of clans in Black Ops like it and play it. You'll hardly find anybody who actually likes or plays it, but it is one of the most played games on XBL. See any problems with that logic? You keep coming back the argument that nobody likes it, but it is completely invalid if millions of people are playing it everyday over other CoD games...

Name some of these patches you disagreed with, because besides some of the guns being patched, there were only a few other patches that changed the gameplay, ie Hardline Pro.

what I usually hear is that people hate it and are playing it because it's the latest, and because they're tired of being put in lobbies with noobs or hackers in CoD4, WaW, MW2

MW2 was finally patched and is playable in MP now. But, CoD4 and WaW I understand. Although, it is completely unreasonable to believe that millions of people are playing the game simply because it is the latest CoD game. If they really disliked it, they wouldn't play it. Seems like common sense to me (common sense for them to not play it). I don't like Homefront. I don't play it.

At least Treyarch's weapons have recoil. . .

Noobs don't want recoil. They just want to hip fire with perfect accuracy while running around the map with painkiller. :p

Ice Car
10-22-2011, 01:31 AM
Everyone in the clan I'm in likes and plays it. Everyone in the thousands of clans in Black Ops like it and play it. You'll hardly find anybody who actually likes or plays it, but it is one of the most played games on XBL. See any problems with that logic? You keep coming back the argument that nobody likes it, but it is completely invalid if millions of people are playing it everyday over other CoD games...

Name some of these patches you disagreed with, because besides some of the guns being patched, there were only a few other patches that changed the gameplay, ie Hardline Pro.

MW2 was finally patched and is playable in MP now. But, CoD4 and WaW I understand. Although, it is completely unreasonable to believe that millions of people are playing the game simply because it is the latest CoD game. If they really disliked it, they wouldn't play it. Seems like common sense to me (common sense for them to not play it). I don't like Homefront. I don't play it.

I see no problems with that logic. I'm just saying that my original post is based off of what I've seen. I'll just say that I've seen a large amount of hate compared to what I've seen anywhere else. Usually whenever I see Black Ops discussed, people never have anything positive to say about it. Not just bitching, people saying they hate the game and don't play it anymore.

There are a lot of people who like it, but there are a lot of people who hate it. Simple. This may just be a pattern of bitching that the past game was always better and the new one sucks every time a new one is released, but a majority of the complaints I've seen are one and the same, but for reasons I've stated.

I disagreed with just about anything that was patched that I don't believe deserved to be patched. RC-XD, Famas, AK74u... Actually, there were more things I hated about the game that weren't added through patches.

Things like how they made Sniper Rifles utter crap just to stop Quick Scopers, and that even if it were better, there are no good Sniper maps (Or at least for those who don't want to waste 1,200 MSP on a few new maps) for it other than Array. Most of the weapons were "meh" and not worth using. You can't Scavenge any equipment whatsoever, or ammunition for Launchers. It gets really annoying. You don't even have Danger Close anymore and almost everybody uses Flak Jacket when not using Ghost, now I can barely kill anything with Launchers, it takes two RPGs to take down a single Flak Jacket, now my secondary is useless.

Chopper Gunners were a reward for a killstreak of 9. The RCXD was a killstreak reward for 3 kills. Should have at least been for a killstreak of 4. Oh, and then there's emblems. I don't have to look at them, but just look at the shit people churn out with the emblem editor. Could they not have predicted this? They also made attempts to censor certain words, and sometimes their choices just made me facepalm. Apparently Assault is a word that can not be used, despite "Assault Rifle" or "Assault" being a common class name, and even being one of the names for the default classes. I just dislike these censors in general, it's an M Rated game for Christ's sake.

I'm assuming a lot of people play it just because it's the latest Call of Duty game, and a majority of the people who play, play on the latest game. MW2 is playable, but the servers are still dead. There are rooms available and a fair amount of people playing, but in most "non-standard" (S&D, TDM, FFA) game modes, they are empty. Last I checked, the amount of people in the other game modes averaged about a thousand at most, to about 40 at worst. (Yeah, only 40 people. :/)

If they really did dislike it, yes, they would stop playing it. The only other option however is MW2, and the last time I went on, a few days ago, it was unpleasant. There were a lot of boosters, still, and every game still had many quick scopers, if not a whole lobby of them. COD4 is full of hackers, I could not join a single game without moonjumps, infinity grenade launchers/RPGs, etc and those stupid screen messages covering the side of the screen. I couldn't play it. Not sure of the state of WaW, though.

snipingheadshot
10-22-2011, 03:58 AM
1. I'll just say that I've seen a large amount of hate compared to what I've seen anywhere else.

2. You can't Scavenge any equipment whatsoever, or ammunition for Launchers. You don't even have Danger Close anymore and almost everybody uses Flak Jacket when not using Ghost,

3. now I can barely kill anything with Launchers, it takes two RPGs to take down a single Flak Jacket, now my secondary is useless.

4. Oh, and then there's emblems. I don't have to look at them, but just look at the shit people churn out with the emblem editor.

5. Apparently Assault is a word that can not be used, despite "Assault Rifle" or "Assault" being a common class name, and even being one of the names for the default classes. I just dislike these censors in general, it's an M Rated game for Christ's sake.

6. I'm assuming a lot of people play it just because it's the latest Call of Duty game, and a majority of the people who play, play on the latest game. MW2 is playable, but the servers are still dead. There are rooms available and a fair amount of people playing, but in most "non-standard" (S&D, TDM, FFA) game modes, they are empty. Last I checked, the amount of people in the other game modes averaged about a thousand at most, to about 40 at worst. (Yeah, only 40 people. :/) If they really did dislike it, yes, they would stop playing it. The only other option however is MW2, and the last time I went on, a few days ago, it was unpleasant. There were a lot of boosters, still, and every game still had many quick scopers, if not a whole lobby of them. COD4 is full of hackers, I could not join a single game without moonjumps, infinity grenade launchers/RPGs, etc and those stupid screen messages covering the side of the screen. I couldn't play it. Not sure of the state of WaW, though.

1. People bitch more than they praise. How many threads have you seen in ANY game forum saying that the game is amazing? Now think about how many threads you have seen saying that a game is trash. It applies to every game. Like I said, look at the MW2 forum.

2. IW and Treyarch are both to blame for that. Treyarch simply overcompensated while trying to fix the mistakes in MW2. Explosives were a huge problem in MW2, and they felt it needed to be addressed. This is how they addressed the problem.

3. Use a pistol. The perk is doing what it's supposed to do. I would rather have useless explosives than overpowered explosives ruling every match (MW2).

4. Has nothing to do with the gameplay.

5. http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=451683

6. There are other games to play besides Call of Duty. They don't have to limit themselves to one game. Maybe they do so, but that's not the game's problem. Also, I guess that says something about Black Ops if it's the only playable CoD and you can't find any "legit" players in MW2...

Barad
10-22-2011, 03:29 PM
It's the exact same crap as COD4 & MW2, simple and boring tbh. Looking forward to their spec ops missions though.

Guitarr Steve
10-22-2011, 04:36 PM
Had to do some digging. Black Ops actually sold 25 million copies, while BFBC2 sold only 8 million. Not bad by any means, but that's like comparing a bag of peanuts to a peanut factory. Also, total franchise sales for Call of Duty are now officially at 104 million sales and Battlefield is at 28 million sales. Am I saying that numbers matter? Yes and no. Obviously since CoD is outselling BF 4:1, I think that speaks volumes. You may say quality over quantity, but that's invalid. I'll give you that maybe 1/3 of the people that get CoD get it because it's the "cool" thing to have, but the majority get it because they like the experience it provides. And a lot of people, myself included, are turned off by vehicular combat. If BF was a pure shooter like CoD, there would be no comparison. And to anyone that says MW3 has overpowed by killstreak rewards, stfu! Being able to jump in a fucking jet or helicopter at the start of a game without earning it is 10x worse than someone EARNING 15+ kills in a row and risk it being shot down within seconds. The ONE time I used a helicopter on Battlefield BC, I got 20+ kills within a couple minutes, so don't talk to me about MW3's killstreaks being over-powered. Vehicles aren't my forte. I don't like them. It's the reason I don't play the bigger maps on Halo Reach, because of the scorpions and wraiths. It takes no skill to use a vehicle and anyone that says otherwise is a noob. Plain and simple. Rant complete. Stevecrest out!
It outsells simply because Battlefield takes more skill, and Call of Duty is aimed at the 12 year olds without any.

And don't get me wrong, I play Call of Duty myself. I'm just stating the truth.

MediumMelanin
10-22-2011, 05:59 PM
I concur, the sounds are the same, the graphics, physics and lighting are about 10% improved. >.> Wow! I will get this game when it's $20!

p00pyfacemcgee
10-23-2011, 04:02 AM
Game looks like more of the same boring broken crap that mw2 was. Infinity ward had one good game with mw1 and have proceeded to add tons of broken crap to the game since. Looks to me like they were lazy, copy and pasted mw2, made a new map pack for it, and dumped more stupid abusable crap into it to make us think it's a new game

Thanks god we have treyarch making quality cod games or I would check out of this series forever.

Infinity ward makes games for the casual player, treyarch makes games for the skilled player.

Infinity ward is doing to cod what bungie did to halo. 1 good release ( halo 1) then all dumbed down kiddie crap from there.

Kids hate on the treyarch games b/c They are balanced. What there's no super perk setup or gun for me to hide my lack of skill with and abuse, this is boring, I'm going back to a game I can quick scope, noob tube, or overpowered kill streak whore to get some kills and make a montage to put on YouTube that no one will watch

fastNcurious
10-23-2011, 07:09 AM
Kids hate on the treyarch games b/c They are balanced. What there's no super perk setup or gun for me to hide my lack of skill with and abuse

The Famas in BO would like to disagree.

AFreakinCabbag3
10-23-2011, 10:30 AM
It outsells simply because Battlefield takes more skill, and Call of Duty is aimed at the 12 year olds without any.


I fully agree the ammount of skill needed to run around with a UMP in the metro is mind blowing.

KeyOfDarkness
10-23-2011, 01:18 PM
The Famas in BO would like to disagree.
So would the MP40

Guitarr Steve
10-23-2011, 02:04 PM
I fully agree the ammount of skill needed to run around with a UMP in the metro is mind blowing.
The stupidity of you bringing up a beta just blows my mind. The funny thing about the UMP now is that it's DICE's choice whether or not they feel it's overpowered and they can nerf it without a 6 week patching-process like BO.

EDIT: Not to mention, do you really think when the UMP is going to be that good when the game comes out? I'd say 90% of the shooting that goes on in Battlefield is long-range, and the UMP only excels at close quarters.

AFreakinCabbag3
10-23-2011, 06:33 PM
The stupidity of you bringing up a beta just blows my mind. The funny thing about the UMP now is that it's DICE's choice whether or not they feel it's overpowered and they can nerf it without a 6 week patching-process like BO.

EDIT: Not to mention, do you really think when the UMP is going to be that good when the game comes out? I'd say 90% of the shooting that goes on in Battlefield is long-range, and the UMP only excels at close quarters.

Seeing how the only gameplay I've played is beta sadly that is all I can go on. That does make sence now that you put it that way I mean nobody ever used the NS2000 or the AA12 type shotgun on BC1/2.

p00pyfacemcgee
10-23-2011, 07:25 PM
The Famas in BO would like to disagree.

Let's see:

The famas
Acr
Ump 45
Having shotguns as secondaries and dual wielding them
Shotgun range
Quickscopers
Danger close
One man army
Commando
Stopping power
Pave low, predator, harrier, ac-130 and chopper gunner
Nuke boosters, nukes available in objective games
Stacking these broken kill streaks
Noob tubes
Heartbeat sensors
Tactical insertions
More online glitches and modding than any cod I've ever played
poor map design, with too many choke points and corners, combined with overpowered weapons and stacking kill streaks that encouraged a camping epidemic in all gametypes

Need I go on while you nitpick 1 weapon, and ignore the chaos that was mw2

fastNcurious
10-23-2011, 07:55 PM
Need I go on while you nitpick 1 weapon, and ignore the chaos that was mw2

Well, there's no point in debating about one's opinion about what's overpowered, what's chaos, and what's fun.

The only reason I singled out the Famas is that every MLG game I've watched, 99.9% of the players (it's actually 100%, but I'm just saying 99.9 just to cover myself) use the Famas in BO. The MLG tournaments of MW2 that I've watched had more variety in terms of gun selection.

rickyfeeney
10-24-2011, 02:34 PM
people always mention skill needed to play games. They are games, im not painting the mona lisa here. they are made to sell and be accessible, they do not take any real skill.
besides, arguing that a game is better because its harder to pick up is stupid. i choose to play CoD over other games because its fun, why should i play a game i dont enjoy much because im worried about what some guy on the internet says.
Just buy a game, enjoy it, and pipe down.

Dukez
10-24-2011, 03:18 PM
Even if it is a identical copy to MW2, I start off with a new K/D ratio. :D

StressMan
10-25-2011, 11:40 PM
Personally, I'm looking forward to the Survival mode of the game more so than the multiplayer.