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Evil Epyon
10-05-2011, 06:58 PM
With the release of this game looming on us, It seems like a pretty relevant question. Which cars are you most looking forward to driving that are returning and that will be new?

For me, i'm most excited about the return of the 350z (its fun to be able to drive your rl car in one of these type of games), and the Audi R8 5.2 which was a great awd mid level car.

In the new cars, I think i'm most excited about the Tesla as lame as it sounds. In GRID in was a great car to drive and the electric engine had amazing pickup. Otherwise the 458 challenge should be very interesting.

What are your thoughts?

Bencho
10-05-2011, 09:30 PM
I want to drive the Ford XB Falcon GT and hit everything in Mad Max style

MxPx
10-05-2011, 09:33 PM
Seems they took my RL car out of the game. (2008 Civic Si) =/ Unless I was looking at an erroneous list.

I'd wish to see more real cars...Nissans, Mazdas, Hondas, Subarus...things you actually see on the road. All the Ferraris/Lambos etc., tend to bore me.

SuperSkyline89
10-05-2011, 09:41 PM
The whole Skyline range obviously: 2000GT-R, R32, R33, R34, GT-R SpecV, GT500 GT-R

For my livery design: E92 M3, Ferrari 458, Charger SRT8, Zonda R, Evo IX MR, GT-R SpecV

Aside from that all the new supercars; the Mercedes C63, E63, and CL63 AMGs; and the Limited Edition cars, BMW art contest cars, VIP pack cars, etc. And I know this is stupid but the Hummer H1, it's so silly I'm excited.

Evil Epyon
10-05-2011, 09:55 PM
Im not going to lie seeing the hummer lumbering around would be pretty hilarious.

MxPx I definitely feel like they have strayed more towards the super and hyper car ranges though because they excite the average player. Seems like Forza 1/2 had more cars you'd see on the roads

SuperSkyline89
10-05-2011, 11:33 PM
MxPx I definitely feel like they have strayed more towards the super and hyper car ranges though because they excite the average player. Seems like Forza 1/2 had more cars you'd see on the roads

I think you need a balance of both. I love to get into cars like the Skyline, Mercedes-Benz AMGs, and Mustangs because those are attainable for me in real life. But at the same time I want to experience what it's like to have a Lamborghini at my disposal.

You might wish there were more common cars but I haven't seen a game that strikes a better balance than Forza, it's really the best choice we have.

MxPx
10-05-2011, 11:39 PM
I think you need a balance of both. I love to get into cars like the Skyline, Mercedes-Benz AMGs, and Mustangs because those are attainable for me in real life. But at the same time I want to experience what it's like to have a Lamborghini at my disposal.

You might wish there were more common cars but I haven't seen a game that strikes a better balance than Forza, it's really the best choice we have.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the game, but I'm just saying it should be more realistic. It's a racing game...it should be about cars that are actually raced.

Nobody races their store-bought Ferrari...it's too expensive, parts cost too much. If a Ferrari is getting raced, it is a purpose-built race car that was built for the track.

If you go to a track IRL, you'll see Miatas, RX-7s, Corvettes, Mustangs, Acura ITRs, etc.

DEG23
10-05-2011, 11:52 PM
I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the game, but I'm just saying it should be more realistic. It's a racing game...it should be about cars that are actually raced.

Nobody races their store-bought Ferrari...it's too expensive, parts cost too much. If a Ferrari is getting raced, it is a purpose-built race car that was built for the track.

If you go to a track IRL, you'll see Miatas, RX-7s, Corvettes, Mustangs, Acura ITRs, etc.

I think it depends what track days you go to. I agree if it's a competitive race you see more mid priced cars like the ones you mentioned, but earlier in the year i went to a non competitive track day (i myself didn't take my car for the reason you mentioned) but i was surprised at the amount of pricey cars, mostly 911's, 2 Astons: V8 Vantage & DB9, there was even a 360 Modena and a Gallardo and the drivers were pushing them hard.

SuperSkyline89
10-06-2011, 12:53 AM
I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the game, but I'm just saying it should be more realistic. It's a racing game...it should be about cars that are actually raced.

Nobody races their store-bought Ferrari...it's too expensive, parts cost too much. If a Ferrari is getting raced, it is a purpose-built race car that was built for the track.

If you go to a track IRL, you'll see Miatas, RX-7s, Corvettes, Mustangs, Acura ITRs, etc.

First off I don't agree with the idea that no one races their Ferraris and Lamborghinis. You might not see them on a track near your home but go to one in a rich area and you see nothing but expensive cars. Like that episode of Top Gear where they took their Alfas onto a track. They were getting blown away by Porsches, Gallardo Superleggeras, Lotus's; it all depends on what track you go to and what track meets are going on. Just look into historic races at Concourse events, people race cars like the 250 GTO (worth up to $20 million), classic Bugatti's (worth up to $5 million), and pretty much any car worth more than you could ever imagine; cars that are so rare they make a normal Ferrari seem as common as an M&M.

Aside from that whether you think cars are raced or not should have no bearing on whether they're included in a racing game. This isn't real life, the whole point is to escape the limitations of reality, and in the case of racing that's money.

red_hammer
10-06-2011, 06:04 AM
much OT, so I'll get back to topic:
Ford Focus! :D
Lexus LF-A (already waiting too long! :/)

Evil Epyon
10-06-2011, 05:32 PM
much OT, so I'll get back to topic:
Ford Focus! :D
Lexus LF-A (already waiting too long! :/)

OT: I have been waiting for the LF-A for so long, I think its just a great looking car and quite the machine. Though I did like what Clarkson said about it "Is it 5x quicker than a GTR? Is it 5x faster that a GTR? Hammond "No" Clarkson "Then why wouldn't I just get 5 Nissan GTRs?"

It was so funny and as much as I love the GTR especially the SpecV, I still want one.

OffT: I think that the racing scene is so different across the world. Here in the states I think that we see many more purpose built race cars because we don't have the same depth of ultra high end cars that Europe does. In Europe especially at the Nurburgring it is pretty common place to see people drive their Lambo or Ferrari to the track and run some laps for a fun track day.

GreyTemplar
10-06-2011, 07:05 PM
Might be a bit of initial D fan in me, but taking an AE86 with a tuned 4A-EG Silvertop engine down fujimi-kaido.

Taki...
10-06-2011, 07:43 PM
That sweet MB 190E evo... if Megan Fox were a car she'd be a 190E.

Vigor
10-07-2011, 12:43 AM
2011 #02 Audi A4 Touring Car
2011 #03 Audi A4 Touring Car
2011 #04 Audi A4 Touring Car
2011 #05 Audi A4 Touring Car
2011 #06 Audi A4 Touring Car
2006 #2 Audi Sport North America R8
2008 #2 Audi Sport North America R10 TDI
2009 #2 Audi Sport Team Joest R15 TDI
2011 #4 Forza Motorsport R10 TDI
2004 #8 Team ABT Sportsline TT-R
2009 Q7 V12 TDI
2008 R8 4.2 FSI quattro
2010 R8 5.2 FSI quattro
2009 R8 LMS
1995 RS2 Avant
2006 RS4
2003 RS6
2009 RS6
2000 S4
2004 S4
2010 S4
2007 S5
1983 Sport quattro
2004 TT Coupé 3.2 quattro
2007 TT Coupé 3.2 quattro S-Line
2010 TT-RS Coupe

DEG23
10-07-2011, 01:06 AM
much OT, so I'll get back to topic:
Ford Focus! :D
Lexus LF-A (already waiting too long! :/)

I never understood the LF-A, i don't see the point of it in terms of it's place in the market and at the end of the day, it's a Lexus?

I can't wait to try the new Morgan, take it round a few of the tracks to get a feel for the road before i start racing.

Renouf100
10-07-2011, 11:29 AM
For me I'm waiting on the Honda's / Acura's love them in real life love them in games :drunk

red_hammer
10-07-2011, 12:17 PM
I never understood the LF-A, i don't see the point of it in terms of it's place in the market and at the end of the day, it's a Lexus?

Purely a matter of taste! And yes... it's really unreasonable. Saw such a car in front of a hotel and it just looks great imho... and the sound! :woop:

SuperSkyline89
10-07-2011, 01:47 PM
I never understood the LF-A, i don't see the point of it in terms of it's place in the market and at the end of the day, it's a Lexus?

Lexus needs to fight perceptions like that to be taken more seriously. They already own the top spot in the luxury market, but the general perception is the same as that towards Toyota, reliable and comfortable but boring.

Mercedes has AMGs with enough torque to alter the Earth's orbit, BMW has the M division that focuses on handling, and Quattro Gmbh has the AWD V10s and Avants. Lexus has never had anything to compete there. The IS-F started it, the LF-A stepped it up, but expect more from them from now on. There have actually been spy shots of a super-LS on the Nurburgring in the past month. An LS with a 5L V8, 641hp, 524lb-ft, 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, and a 200 mph top speed.

Lexus is becoming a whole different beast.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/21/super-lexus-ls-has-a-name-and-specs-tmg-edition/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fautoblog+%28Auto blog%29

Taki...
10-07-2011, 03:46 PM
Lexus needs to fight perceptions like that to be taken more seriously. They already own the top spot in the luxury market, but the general perception is the same as that towards Toyota, reliable and comfortable but boring.

Mercedes has AMGs with enough torque to alter the Earth's orbit, BMW has the M division that focuses on handling, and Quattro Gmbh has the AWD V10s and Avants. Lexus has never had anything to compete there. The IS-F started it, the LF-A stepped it up, but expect more from them from now on. There have actually been spy shots of a super-LS on the Nurburgring in the past month. An LS with a 5L V8, 641hp, 524lb-ft, 0-60 in 4.2 seconds, and a 200 mph top speed.

Lexus is becoming a whole different beast.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/21/super-lexus-ls-has-a-name-and-specs-tmg-edition/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fautoblog+%28Auto blog%29

The LFA is double the price of most AMG Mercs, 4 times the price of an M5. The badge comes with little kudos and even less history. For the same price as some Zonda's and Koenigsegg's you get a car with similar performance, but with more than a touch of the Toyota Celica about it. Talk about niche.

SuperSkyline89
10-07-2011, 04:26 PM
The LFA is double the price of most AMG Mercs, 4 times the price of an M5. The badge comes with little kudos and even less history. For the same price as some Zonda's and Koenigsegg's you get a car with similar performance, but with more than a touch of the Toyota Celica about it. Talk about niche.

1 - AMGs and M5s are nowhere near the LF-A's market position

2 - Badge kudos are for badge-whores who only care about showing off

3 - Koenigsegg and Pagani have no heritage or history. They're new to the game, a decade is nothing.

Playing the heritage card is a tired argument.

Evil Epyon
10-07-2011, 05:02 PM
1 - AMGs and M5s are nowhere near the LF-A's market position

2 - Badge kudos are for badge-whores who only care about showing off

3 - Koenigsegg and Pagani have no heritage or history. They're new to the game, a decade is nothing.

Playing the heritage card is a tired argument.

Skyline we can be friends lol. The real thing is that I'd love to see an M5 or AMG Merc achieve the same lap times as an LF-A around the Nurburgring, it's not even comparable. Its sort of like saying that a diesel truck is comparable to the LF-A only on the grounds of it having a lot of torque. Power numbers aside those sports saloons or big coupes aren't in the same class as a super car. As for Pagani or Koenigsegg we haven't had to live with them quite long enough to have a sterling rep, in its heyday TVR made cool cars but where are they now?

Taki...
10-08-2011, 07:14 AM
1 - AMGs and M5s are nowhere near the LF-A's market position

2 - Badge kudos are for badge-whores who only care about showing off

3 - Koenigsegg and Pagani have no heritage or history. They're new to the game, a decade is nothing.

Playing the heritage card is a tired argument.

AMG prices are ridiculous... like the LFA's.

Everyone's a badge whore (even rice). Show me someone who isn't and I'll show you someone who doesn't care about cars.

Koenigsegg and Pagani aren't an exercises in premium brand marketing from a big motor manufacturer.

Btw, kudos and heritage are not the same thing... that's why they're spelt differently.

DEG23
10-08-2011, 09:02 AM
Everyone's a badge whore (even rice). Show me someone who isn't and I'll show you someone who doesn't care about cars.

This was my original trail of thought, not saying off the bat that the first and only factor you consider before buying a car is the badge, but it plays a big part.

If someone gave me a couple hundred thou and told me to buy a car with the sole purpose of being a track car, then the LF-A is a serious contender, it's numbers and stats are impressive, so i understand the purpose of the car in terms of performance. However if i was buying a car for general driving/living with, then i would chose the European counterpart, only because car badges have become so much more of a branding tool in recent years, that even non-car enthusiasts know the stereotypes behind each badge. For the same reason i wouldn't buy the new FT-86 (if it's ever made) for the simple fact it's a Toyota

From a business point of view of selling a product in the market, would you rather have the Pagani or the Lexus?

Although i have to admit, if Lexus can break into the high price/performance market with the LF-A, then the brand would be a serious contender on all markets and possibly introduce new fans to the brand, (myself included)

Taki...
10-08-2011, 01:52 PM
This was my original trail of thought, not saying off the bat that the first and only factor you consider before buying a car is the badge, but it plays a big part.

If someone gave me a couple hundred thou and told me to buy a car with the sole purpose of being a track car, then the LF-A is a serious contender, it's numbers and stats are impressive, so i understand the purpose of the car in terms of performance. However if i was buying a car for general driving/living with, then i would chose the European counterpart, only because car badges have become so much more of a branding tool in recent years, that even non-car enthusiasts know the stereotypes behind each badge. For the same reason i wouldn't buy the new FT-86 (if it's ever made) for the simple fact it's a Toyota

From a business point of view of selling a product in the market, would you rather have the Pagani or the Lexus?

Although i have to admit, if Lexus can break into the high price/performance market with the LF-A, then the brand would be a serious contender on all markets and possibly introduce new fans to the brand, (myself included)

You need closer to 400k (USD) to buy an LFA. If you're that serious about track days, then surely 20% of the price for a GTR would be the way to go. I'm betting $250k of after market tuning on a GTR would put it well ahead of an LFA in performance terms (for the same money).
Lexus (apparently) lose money on every LFA they sell... so from a business pov you'd have to give it to Pagani.

MAD MAZTEC
10-08-2011, 02:53 PM
My three fave cars

Ford Escort (with Removed wing) & 240sx & Supra with removed wing
:D

SuperSkyline89
10-08-2011, 03:26 PM
AMG prices are ridiculous... like the LFA's.

AMGs are sedans and coupes. It doesn't matter how ridiculous you think the prices are that does not make it a valid point in comparison to a supercar. If you want to compare cars compare cars that are in the same market segment.

Everyone's a badge whore (even rice). Show me someone who isn't and I'll show you someone who doesn't care about cars.

Badge whores are the kind of people that look at a Hyundai Genesis and says "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai." The kind of person who disregards the hard facts about a car because of their ignorant view of the company that makes it. Someone who will buy a BMW instead of a better comparable car just because it's a BMW. Not everyone is a badge whore, only those who don't have any real knowledge about cars and are too ignorant to listen to another argument.

Koenigsegg and Pagani aren't an exercises in premium brand marketing from a big motor manufacturer.

Exactly, so they had even less credibility than Lexus when they first came onto the scene. People that look at Lexus and only have bad things to say are ignorant. They might be boring cars with soft suspensions but their attention to detail is undeniable. When they set out to do something they give it their all and make it the best that it can be, for the purpose it was meant for. That is what makes the LF-A so good. It's a no compromise track car with an interior that rivals the best luxury sedans with fit-and-finish that is beyond reproach.

Btw, kudos and heritage are not the same thing... that's why they're spelt differently.

Fine, want to be specific? I'll be specific.

Kudos
The idea that one brand is better than another simply because it is that brand. In other words, something only ignorant morons care about. It's not based on any real metrics of how good a car is.

Heritage
The reason 99% of people say Ferrari is better than Lamborghini. Because they're been in Formula 1 since the beginning and they have something like 16 Constructors Titles and that makes their cars faster around a track. How many of the people that spout that excuse are racing drivers? How many have even sat in a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? None, given both cars they'd all spin out in the first corner. It doesn't matter how much heritage one manufacturer has over another, you don't have the racing skills to take advantage of it. The people that care about heritage are the people that brag about F1 when they buy a Ferrari, the ones that actually bought the car for what it is don't brag, they just ask if you want to go for a drive and enjoy the car.

When Lexus first came onto the scene they were called overpriced Toyotas. Now they're one of the most respected luxury marques in the world and outsell all the Germans. Hyundai and Kia used to be pieces of shit that belonged in a scrap yard, now their quality rivals Honda and Toyota and they have some of the best designers in the industry. Companies change, unbiased people accept that, ignorant people keep spouting their stupid excuses.

Lexus (apparently) lose money on every LFA they sell... so from a business pov you'd have to give it to Pagani.

Toyota lost $2000 on every Prius for the first 2 years of production. They sell like crazy now and make them tons of money. Reputation and trust are the most important parts of the auto industry, if you have to sell at a loss for a while to bolster those that is what you do. It's a proven business tactic.

My three fave cars

Ford Escort (with Removed wing) & 240sx & Supra with removed wing
:D

I'm looking forward to trying out the removable spoilers. I don't really like the look of the R34 without the wing but I do agree that the MkIV Supra looks pretty badass without it. I also like the Evo without it.

Taki...
10-08-2011, 04:07 PM
@ Skyline... Mate, you mentioned AMG's and BMW's M division. Don't jump out of your pushchair because of something you wrote.

Where did you get your definition of 'badge whore'? Someone who has a hard-on for Hyundai's is hardly gonna say "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai."
Badge whoring isn't exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace.

As for credibility!!! What are you on? Horacio Pagani Clearly has a PASSION for cars... Mr Ian Toyota (I might venture) probably has more of a passion for his bottom line, and an ear cocked at what his marketing men are telling him. Credibility indeed...

Talking specifics, especially where conjecture is concerned, is pointless. Kudos is most certainly not a measure of 'better' or even how good something is. Some things, no matter how good or how much better they may be than their rivals lack a certain soul... like the New York Yankees.
Lexus are a 'premium brand', not a luxury marque.

Oh, and at what point is the LFA going to be making money in it's run of 500?

T3z
10-08-2011, 04:22 PM
@ Skyline... Mate, you mentioned AMG's and BMW's M division. Don't jump out of your pushchair because of something you wrote.

Where did you get your definition of 'badge whore'? Someone who has a hard-on for Hyundai's is hardly gonna say "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai."
Badge whoring isn't exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace.

As for credibility!!! What are you on? Horacio Pagani Clearly has a PASSION for cars... Mr Ian Toyota (I might venture) probably has more of a passion for his bottom line, and an ear cocked at what his marketing men are telling him. Credibility indeed...

Talking specifics, especially where conjecture is concerned, is pointless. Kudos is most certainly not a measure of 'better' or even how good something is. Some things, no matter how good or how much better they may be than their rivals lack a certain soul... like the New York Yankees.
Lexus are a 'premium brand', not a luxury marque.

Oh, and at what point is the LFA going to be making money in it's run of 500?

Lexus is it's own brand, it used to be a subsidiary of toyota, but know it makes so much money it can stand alone. Obviously it is still owned by toyota, but it definitely is not a "premium brand". I own a 03' is300 (same one that's in the game) and it is one of the best cars i have ever owned. The creators of the LF-A were car enthusiasts obviously... the amount of performance coming out of it? come on.... It's automotive design perfection.

red_hammer
10-08-2011, 04:27 PM
Hey hey hey hey... calm down guys :)
Just a matter of taste! Everyone can drive what he or she likes, right?
No reason to start such a HUGE controversy!

I just mentioned the LF-A because I like such totally unreasonable cars which I won't be able to purchase or drive anytime! :/
But it was a mistake obviously. :(

SuperSkyline89
10-08-2011, 04:42 PM
@ Skyline... Mate, you mentioned AMG's and BMW's M division. Don't jump out of your pushchair because of something you wrote

I mentioned AMGs and such as an example of a Halo car. That's what an LF-A is, the other luxury marques have them, Lexus needs them too. I never mentioned the cost, you're the one that started comparing them like that.

Where did you get your definition of 'badge whore'? Someone who has a hard-on for Hyundai's is hardly gonna say "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai."
Badge whoring isn't exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace.

Where did I say someone with a hard-on for Hyundai would bash the Genesis? The kind of person that does that judges the Genesis because of the badge it wears, that is a badge whore. They don't see a good sports car, they just see a Giant Hyundai logo. Never said it was "exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace" either, don't know you got that from.

As for credibility!!! What are you on? Horacio Pagani Clearly has a PASSION for cars... Mr Ian Toyota (I might venture) probably has more of a passion for his bottom line, and an ear cocked at what his marketing men are telling him. Credibility indeed...

Passion for a car does not make credibility. Toyota is one of the world's largest car manufacturers with (aside from the recent recall issues) a good reputation, that makes credibility. The Supra, the MR2, the Celica, the Corolla AE86, that is Toyota's heritage, that is their credibility. Pagani showed up 10 years ago with no reputation aside from some car designing in the past. Horatio has credibility now, because of what he did in the past decade, which is the exact thing Lexus is trying to do.

Talking specifics, especially where conjecture is concerned, is pointless. Kudos is most certainly not a measure of 'better' or even how good something is. Some things, no matter how good or how much better they may be than their rivals lack a certain soul... like the New York Yankees.
Lexus are a 'premium brand', not a luxury marque.

Lack soul? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you've driven an LF-A and found it had less soul than your Ferrari. No, what happen is you heard people like Jeremy Clarkson or some car magazine say it has no soul. But the simple fact is that any car with half the power would make you enjoy the experience. Those people drive these cars for a living, you don't. They have experienced "soulful" cars, you haven't. They can get away with the soul argument, you can't.

Oh, and at what point is the LFA going to be making money in it's run of 500?

Maybe you should go back and actually read my post that you quoted a while back where I mentioned the Lexus LS that does 200mph. The LF-A finishes at 500 units but leaves behind a bolstered reputation of knowing how to make a performance car. That paves the way for more of them, and those will earn profits. If you seriously think the LF-A is all there is from Lexus with regards to performance you really aren't keeping up with the latest news from the industry.

Sn1gaaaZ
10-08-2011, 05:05 PM
I can't wait to drive the big 2006 Hummer H1 Alpha. =] Also the 2010 Morgan Aero SuperSports looks pretty cool.

http://s14.directupload.net/images/111008/temp/zvbaiu2d.jpg (http://s14.directupload.net/images/111008/zvbaiu2d.jpg) http://s14.directupload.net/images/111008/temp/p57tbqr8.jpg (http://s14.directupload.net/images/111008/p57tbqr8.jpg)

DaJudgeinator
10-08-2011, 05:28 PM
http://i53.tinypic.com/w1hsw.jpg
See Gamertag for reason why

SuperSkyline89
10-08-2011, 06:14 PM
See Gamertag for reason why

It's one of the driver rewards at Level 9.

Taki...
10-09-2011, 12:46 PM
@SuperSkyline89;4566393]

Oh so now you're comparing AMG's to the LFA... confusing that.

I think you may be confusing badge whoring with badge snobbery.

Again, you brought up credibility. There's little doubt that Pagani and Koenigsegg want to build awesome cars, purely for the sake of building awesome cars. Lexus built the LFA to market the Lexus brand.

I didn't realise I had to fulfil certain criteria to (subjectively) find something soulful! If one is not allowed to have an opinion of something without experiencing it first hand then you really shouldn't be making any kind of argument either. Should you?

Mate, what are you on? 'If you seriously think the LF-A is all there is from Lexus with regards to performance you really aren't keeping up with the latest news from the industry'... seriously? I'm talking passion and you're wittering on like some Toyota PR drone. Brands like Lexus and Infiniti were specifically created to sell premium priced automobiles to Joe Public. If you think that gives their products kudos, soul, engenders passion and makes them the stuff of dreams then good luck to you.

Taki...
10-09-2011, 12:50 PM
Hey hey hey hey... calm down guys :)
Just a matter of taste! Everyone can drive what he or she likes, right?
No reason to start such a HUGE controversy!

I just mentioned the LF-A because I like such totally unreasonable cars which I won't be able to purchase or drive anytime! :/
But it was a mistake obviously. :(

It's all good fun, mate :) ... no need for impersonation of Harry Enfield's scousers.

Fallout1997
10-09-2011, 01:25 PM
458 Italia and SLS AMG are gonna be sweet. Can't wait to drool over those in Autovista

SuperSkyline89
10-09-2011, 04:47 PM
@SuperSkyline89;4566393]

Oh so now you're comparing AMG's to the LFA... confusing that.

I think you may be confusing badge whoring with badge snobbery.

Again, you brought up credibility. There's little doubt that Pagani and Koenigsegg want to build awesome cars, purely for the sake of building awesome cars. Lexus built the LFA to market the Lexus brand.

I didn't realise I had to fulfil certain criteria to (subjectively) find something soulful! If one is not allowed to have an opinion of something without experiencing it first hand then you really shouldn't be making any kind of argument either. Should you?

Mate, what are you on? 'If you seriously think the LF-A is all there is from Lexus with regards to performance you really aren't keeping up with the latest news from the industry'... seriously? I'm talking passion and you're wittering on like some Toyota PR drone. Brands like Lexus and Infiniti were specifically created to sell premium priced automobiles to Joe Public. If you think that gives their products kudos, soul, engenders passion and makes them the stuff of dreams then good luck to you.

If you don't understand the concept of a Halo car you never will.

Badge whoring and badge snobbery are both ignorant views and in practice have no difference, differentiate them all you want but only an ignorant person believes in either.

Whether a car is soulful or not is something you experience while driving it. Calling a car you've never even touched let alone driven soulless is like calling a movie you've never seen bad. You can talk about performance because those are facts, soul is not a fact, it's an experience and until you've driven it you have no basis for any comments on that.

You haven't offered a single real reason that the LF-A isn't just as worthy of respect as any other supercar. You're against it only because it's a Lexus.

master_shake_350
10-10-2011, 09:08 AM
GMC Syclone :)

F***ing love this truck. If I could I would buy one in real life but they are so rare.

Taki...
10-10-2011, 01:44 PM
If you don't understand the concept of a Halo car you never will.

Badge whoring and badge snobbery are both ignorant views and in practice have no difference, differentiate them all you want but only an ignorant person believes in either.

Whether a car is soulful or not is something you experience while driving it. Calling a car you've never even touched let alone driven soulless is like calling a movie you've never seen bad. You can talk about performance because those are facts, soul is not a fact, it's an experience and until you've driven it you have no basis for any comments on that.

You haven't offered a single real reason that the LF-A isn't just as worthy of respect as any other supercar. You're against it only because it's a Lexus.

If you don't understand the concept of a marketing tool... etc.

Whoring and snobbery are the same thing. Okay...

It's not up to you to define what constitutes 'soulful'. It's also not up to you to decide the criteria one has to fulfil to find something 'soulful', or not.

To quote the original point...'I never understood the LF-A, i don't see the point of it in terms of it's place in the market...' It's place in the 'market' is that of a 'marketing tool'. For or against is a non issue, as is who built it. The Veyron is a marketing tool as well. What don't you get about this?

SuperSkyline89
10-10-2011, 03:52 PM
If you don't understand the concept of a marketing tool... etc.

What do you think a Halo car is? It's marketing. There's a reason Chevy still makes the Corvette and Dodge is bringing back the Viper. And ya, that's exactly what the Veyron is. But that doesn't make these cars any less special than a Pagani or Koenigsegg. You're judging a car based on the reason behind it's existence, as far as I'm concerned the reason is irrelevant because if and when I drive a car I don't think about who came up with the idea or why, I just think about the car and what it can do.

Every car magazine and TV show agrees that you need to drive a car to find its soul, to see how it effects your soul. I'm not defining anything, just stating the criteria that people who actually know what they're talking about agree on.

Taki...
10-11-2011, 12:38 AM
What do you think a Halo car is? It's marketing. There's a reason Chevy still makes the Corvette and Dodge is bringing back the Viper. And ya, that's exactly what the Veyron is. But that doesn't make these cars any less special than a Pagani or Koenigsegg. You're judging a car based on the reason behind it's existence, as far as I'm concerned the reason is irrelevant because if and when I drive a car I don't think about who came up with the idea or why, I just think about the car and what it can do.

Every car magazine and TV show agrees that you need to drive a car to find its soul, to see how it effects your soul. I'm not defining anything, just stating the criteria that people who actually know what they're talking about agree on.

No-one mentioned 'special' and I was expressing my opinion of, once again, the point of the LF-A. So, I am judging it's 'point' on the reason for it's existence... which, to me, seems valid. As for every car magazine and show agreeing that you need to drive a car to find it it's soul... er, bollocks. Making stuff up to validate a point is most non triumphant, dude.