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Barad
12-13-2011, 11:21 AM
How is everyone liking the new expansion?

I'm loving it but these F-35's take time getting used to of.

Poppygalaxy
12-13-2011, 11:28 AM
After two matches i have come to the conclusion that my team sucks, and the expansion is fun.

BIGbivvie
12-13-2011, 11:31 AM
I'm not on atm. Whats the striking differences with this expansion. Why should I buy it?

Tommy Gun 81
12-13-2011, 11:35 AM
How in the world am I supposed to get a kill in a jet and a kill in a jet including a tank and assault rifle kill in the same life :(

BIGbivvie
12-13-2011, 11:38 AM
How in the world am I supposed to get a kill in a jet and a kill in a jet including a tank and assault rifle kill in the same life :(

Jet first (It's the hardest), bail after a kill. Get into a tank, get a kill. Jump out and hope you get an assault rifle kill. lol. It's a hard achievement.

Poppygalaxy
12-13-2011, 11:40 AM
How in the world am I supposed to get a kill in a jet and a kill in a jet including a tank and assault rifle kill in the same life :(

It rather easy tbh. Got it on my first try.

Just try as best as you can and get a kill whit jet. And jump out over a friendly base after that.

Not really that much to say i am afraid, but practice flying.

Barad
12-13-2011, 11:43 AM
Annoying thing is I don't get how these jets work, what does it do when you put afterburners on?

Tommy Gun 81
12-13-2011, 11:43 AM
You are a very good player Poppy, what might be rather easy for you is nearly impossible for me :( Can't fly a jet in a straight line!!!

HighsounD
12-13-2011, 02:02 PM
Strike at Karkand is pretty good, the other maps suck balls.

13ip0lar
12-13-2011, 03:38 PM
F-35 sucks. It's no where near as agile as the other jets all so you can "hover". Not a trade I would want to make. I got my kill with it, I'll be sticking to the Hornet and SU.

Tatanko
12-13-2011, 04:07 PM
It rather easy tbh. Got it on my first try.
I wouldn't call it easy. I have zero kills with jets in BF3 so far.

Syrette
12-13-2011, 04:15 PM
But it should be easier to get kills in a F35 (I haven't played it myself to be sure) as you can hover with it to take out ground targets.

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 04:24 PM
Maps are unforgiving with the no out of bounds zone.

I joined a Wake game, put me on Russia team and we had no flags and the squads were locked. Whole lot of nothing.

Barad
12-13-2011, 04:26 PM
I wouldn't call it easy. I have zero kills with jets in BF3 so far.


I have 0 kills on original BF3 after 80hrs..trust me unless you still can't fly then the F35 makes it a LOT easier now..

LethalEdge
12-13-2011, 04:48 PM
Not really liking Conquest Assault. I really wish Dice wouldn't have lumped it in with normal conquest since every server I find now is Conquest Assault. :(

ZingZitang
12-13-2011, 04:56 PM
Maps are unforgiving with the no out of bounds zone.
Wait a Minute, There aren't any No Man Zones?

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 05:01 PM
Wait a Minute, There aren't any No Man Zones?


On Wake there is no out of bounds. The Russians can lose every flag. Then you can only spawn on squads. If they get wiped out, instant win.

That is how Bf2 was.

On Shaqri, no one has an out of bounds zone.

ZingZitang
12-13-2011, 05:16 PM
On Wake there is no out of bounds. The Russians can lose every flag. Then you can only spawn on squads. If they get wiped out, instant win.

That is how Bf2 was.

On Shaqri, no one has an out of bounds zone.
I see, and your talking about Conquest. Can you speak for Rush? Or other Game modes?

Poppygalaxy
12-13-2011, 05:26 PM
I am sarting to really hate the new "Assignment" system. Like the fact that you need to win 5 sqaud deathmatch and many others.

This "Assignment" alone has made may quit ratio go up by miles. I always join a match whit me, one or two others and we are about 20 - 30 tickets behind how fun. NAd not to mention to mode sucks to begin whit.

Tatanko
12-13-2011, 05:40 PM
I have 0 kills on original BF3 after 80hrs..trust me unless you still can't fly then the F35 makes it a LOT easier now..
That's really good to hear. I figured that would be the case, but I haven't had a chance to play B2K yet myself. That will have to wait another 6 or 7 hours until I'm off work :(

PrinceofDeath86
12-13-2011, 05:45 PM
Not really liking Conquest Assault. I really wish Dice wouldn't have lumped it in with normal conquest since every server I find now is Conquest Assault. :(
Lets hope they realize this mistake an give us our Regular Conquest back!! I hate playing Rush an CQ Assault feels like im playing Rush with flags, FAIL by DICE!!!!

CoregBlue1
12-13-2011, 06:06 PM
what is conquest assault?

Barad
12-13-2011, 06:21 PM
That's really good to hear. I figured that would be the case, but I haven't had a chance to play B2K yet myself. That will have to wait another 6 or 7 hours until I'm off work :(


You'll be surprised your first few matches you'll have the complete warrior achievement, jet kills is now a constant thing for me.

I am sarting to really hate the new "Assignment" system. Like the fact that you need to win 5 sqaud deathmatch and many others.

This "Assignment" alone has made may quit ratio go up by miles. I always join a match whit me, one or two others and we are about 20 - 30 tickets behind how fun. NAd not to mention to mode sucks to begin whit.

The SDM one is worrying me to seeing as it took me about 10 games to win 1 for the ribbon, I was always MVP but my whole team sucked ass.

PrinceofDeath86
12-13-2011, 06:21 PM
what is conquest assault?
Enemy team spawns with all Flags Capped, you fight for the flags. You get spawn killed then entire game is basically all it is, promotes camping bitches!!

BIGbivvie
12-13-2011, 06:33 PM
Best DLC ever.

twinkie
12-13-2011, 08:13 PM
I see, and your talking about Conquest. Can you speak for Rush? Or other Game modes?

i'm playing on rush. spawn killing everywhere now :mad:

CIF
12-13-2011, 11:23 PM
CQ on Oman just confirms what I was worried about - tons of building=tons of camping. I played two matches, found the pool in the third (for whatever reason I was actually playing CQ Assault), and left after getting killed twice in a row by some **** who got on top of a crane.

BS411
12-13-2011, 11:29 PM
The maps are great (although I couldn't get into a game on Wake Island because so many people are playing that one map) but I just hope that they take out the Conquest Assault and just leave it with regular Conquest.

Also I'm not sure weather it's because I just unlocked the heat seekers for jets and started using them today but it seems like the new jet is easier to control and get kills with.

CoregBlue1
12-13-2011, 11:30 PM
i think its great.

Mother Beef
12-16-2011, 12:54 AM
After 10+ hrs of playing it. I decided i hate it for the most part. I despise Conquest Assault, the assignments are a good idea but the decision to force people to use cheap annoying weapons creates an over-satuation of the M320 grenade launcher and people going a whole match using RPG's.

Oh and close to everyone of the maps is made with snipers in mind, so people are taking full advantage of that.
I never thought i would say this considering the amount of fun i have had on the other battlefields with it but - i even hate Wake Island.

Also- the spawns are atrocious, especially on the final base as defenders on Wake Island.

basti memphis
12-17-2011, 11:05 PM
hate it to...

Play with a Weapon you don't like and then go play a Game Mode you don't like.
And 3 f****** Flags on Wake... DICE can keep it. i played hundreds of hours BFBC2 but i think i am done with BF3 after 84 hours.

Suiken
12-19-2011, 06:14 PM
I love it. I even like the new maps for Rush, wish I don't generally like to play in BF3.

BSH 1975
12-19-2011, 07:23 PM
It rather easy tbh. Got it on my first try.

Just try as best as you can and get a kill whit jet. And jump out over a friendly base after that.

Not really that much to say i am afraid, but practice flying.

The problem is that one kill woith a plane. Ihave flown about 30 minutes and could not hit anything with those guns.

The rest is easy....

P1TTMAN
12-22-2011, 09:55 PM
The problem is that one kill woith a plane. Ihave flown about 30 minutes and could not hit anything with those guns.

The rest is easy....

Get someone on your team who's not a complete dumbass and/or asshole, and have them spot a tank or two while you're in the air. You'll be hard-pressed to kill a soldier with the plane's guns anyway, unless you manage to collapse a building on them. Once you can see clearly where the tanks are, line up and strafe 'em.. one good run will completely destroy the tank before the guy can get out (this also works well on airfields.. even if it makes them hate you).

And for whoever mentioned their quit percentage going up because of SQDM.. fuck that; your quit percentage will go way up if, like me, you're in a hurry to unlock these guns-- 10 kills with the BMP-90 when it's only on like two of the maps? I quit so many games while searching for Conquest (not CQ Assault) on Gulf of Oman, for a match that wasn't almost over, and for a match that would let me be on the Russian team.. that's the only gametype/map that I know for sure has the BMP on it. :(
SQDM wins was a bitch though :p

Opiate42
01-04-2012, 09:25 PM
I like the maps on the whole, only 50/50 on Wake Island, the rest are very fun.

Vehicles....well I still stink with aircraft and stick to land vehicles generally. The BTR-90, when you can find it, is a beast. The DPV jeep is a fast bugger and it's easier and more fun to roadkill than to use it's rather limited turret.

Weapons and assignments, like most of the new weapons, they're handy and the assignments are doable even for a low-skill schlub like me, rather fun with a few exceptions like the 5 SQDM wins.

Most game modes on the new maps have been enjoyable with a good team, which kind of goes without saying. With a bad team the map doesn't matter you're going to get demolished and have no fun anyway.

Conquest Assault, I've grown to grudgingly deal with but don't like. Should be a separate playlist. Academically it's an interesting concept mixing Rush and Conquest like that, having to assault or defend a position. But in practice it's really not as fun as regular conquest unless the teams are fairly balanced, even then it's lacking with the fewer objectives. If I want an attack/defend scenario I stick with Rush.

P1TTMAN
01-05-2012, 01:19 PM
I've been playing Bad Company a bit lately, and I'm relearning that Conquest Assault is the same as Conquest mode on that game.. neither team has a base that cannot be taken, and if one team takes all the bases, the other loses within seconds.
Kind of a crappy way to play a game.

PrinceofDeath86
01-05-2012, 02:38 PM
I've been playing Bad Company a bit lately, and I'm relearning that Conquest Assault is the same as Conquest mode on that game.. neither team has a base that cannot be taken, and if one team takes all the bases, the other loses within seconds.
Kind of a crappy way to play a game.
Each team has 1 or 2 flags and a neutral flag, kinda the way it should have stayed for BF3.

Taiyz
01-05-2012, 02:57 PM
I disagree, P1TTMAN. Shut-outs (capture all points and kill remaining players to end the match instantly) are a big part of the Conquest gametype, but not every game that has a variant of Conquest features them.

Of course, they're extremely difficult to obtain in games where you can spawn on surviving team-mates, and impossible if each team has a dedicated home base.


I actually really like the dynamic of Conquest Assault; instead of having neutral zones spread out across a wide area, a cluster of zones automatically attributed to a team with no back-up spawn means that stalemates are less likely to occur, and you need to play more of a thinking game and split up resources correctly to take as many bases simultaneously as possible.

Because really, regular Conquest basically just amounts to everybody on the team piling on each base at the right time, and sometimes you get stuck in a stalemate like I mentioned before where every time your team captures a base, you lose one too, meaning that whoever had the most tickets before the stalemate is basically guaranteed to win.

It's harder to make "saving plays" in vanilla Conquest, so matches rarely get tense (I'm not saying that they never get tense, I had a couple matches last night that ended with less than 5-20 tickets, but it's always more exciting to go on capture streaks than play tug-of-war.)


I do think that some maps don't work quite as well with Conquest Assault as they do with regular Conquest, and I understand that many people don't like the gametype so I definitely think that it should be separated from vanilla Conquest in matchmaking. It also REALLY sucks that, to my knowledge, CQ-A is not available for the vanilla BF3 maps.


Anyway, since this is a general BtK thread, I will also add that I really dig the F-35. I'd still rather pilot a helicopter over a jet any day, but the F-35 is a great way to get some Specializations to get off the ground.

PrinceofDeath86
01-05-2012, 05:24 PM
I disagree, P1TTMAN. Shut-outs (capture all points and kill remaining players to end the match instantly) are a big part of the Conquest gametype, but not every game that has a variant of Conquest features them.

Of course, they're extremely difficult to obtain in games where you can spawn on surviving team-mates, and impossible if each team has a dedicated home base.


I actually really like the dynamic of Conquest Assault; instead of having neutral zones spread out across a wide area, a cluster of zones automatically attributed to a team with no back-up spawn means that stalemates are less likely to occur, and you need to play more of a thinking game and split up resources correctly to take as many bases simultaneously as possible.

Because really, regular Conquest basically just amounts to everybody on the team piling on each base at the right time, and sometimes you get stuck in a stalemate like I mentioned before where every time your team captures a base, you lose one too, meaning that whoever had the most tickets before the stalemate is basically guaranteed to win.

It's harder to make "saving plays" in vanilla Conquest, so matches rarely get tense (I'm not saying that they never get tense, I had a couple matches last night that ended with less than 5-20 tickets, but it's always more exciting to go on capture streaks than play tug-of-war.)


I do think that some maps don't work quite as well with Conquest Assault as they do with regular Conquest, and I understand that many people don't like the gametype so I definitely think that it should be separated from vanilla Conquest in matchmaking. It also REALLY sucks that, to my knowledge, CQ-A is not available for the vanilla BF3 maps.


Anyway, since this is a general BtK thread, I will also add that I really dig the F-35. I'd still rather pilot a helicopter over a jet any day, but the F-35 is a great way to get some Specializations to get off the ground.
Played a game yesterday where my team won by only a SINGLE spawn ticket, wanna talk about a damn close game!!

Mabro
01-05-2012, 05:45 PM
I only play CQ, so with that in mind:

- Gulf of Oman, 4-flag, is the only map I like.

- Wake Island would likely be one of the best maps in the game if it had more flags. Pretty sad that the XBLA version is better than what we get in BF3.

- I'm not a big fan of Conquest Assault. If they were going to give us two versions of each map, it doesn't make much sense to me that the difference would just be in the number of flags. Make one CQ and one CQA, just like Oman.

- I like the assignments and weapons.

Tussell
01-05-2012, 06:56 PM
I don't know, about a week and a half of owning the game, I wanted more, and by more, I didn't really mean Back To Karkand. I feel like I didn't get what I was expecting, but oh well.

:drunk Here's to a new DLC pack!

CIF
01-08-2012, 04:27 AM
The maps all suck more dick than a porn star. Gulf of Oman has TWO towers for people to camp on. It and Wake Island give Attackers half a mile of almost completely open ground to cover at the beginning. Sharqi Peninsula ends with the EASIEST camp-able M-COM in the game save Seine Crossing, AFTER another Omaha-Beach-open-ground area. Add the urban layout of 3/4, and you have almost exclusively get-seen-first-die-first encounters galore, and people camping on buildings. Africa Harbour was an urban setting done right - these just suck. Oh yeah, and damn Conquest Assault. I can't wait to get the required amount of playtime before avoiding these as much as possible.

edit: after not getting to advance at all on Oman Rush, by the end of the game we were getting killed in our spawn.

0311
01-08-2012, 11:01 AM
After 10+ hrs of playing it. I decided i hate it for the most part. I despise Conquest Assault, the assignments are a good idea but the decision to force people to use cheap annoying weapons creates an over-satuation of the M320 grenade launcher and people going a whole match using RPG's.

Oh and close to everyone of the maps is made with snipers in mind, so people are taking full advantage of that.
I never thought i would say this considering the amount of fun i have had on the other battlefields with it but - i even hate Wake Island.

Also- the spawns are atrocious, especially on the final base as defenders on Wake Island.


I agree with a lot of this. Ever since Christmas, and the release of these assignments, my K/D has dropped a lot due to random rockets and 40MMs every which way.. And it doesn't help that I prefer hardcore, so most of the time they're not even that close to me and I still die.

Because the maps seem to be very open, I can't count the number of times I've spawned just to immediately be dropped by some sniper that's either using their MAV to get on the highest building in the game, or camping behind our spawn base. The only upside I can think of to these style of maps is that the defending rush team can't all congregate one of two, maybe three, choke points so the attackers just have NO hope of ever getting through.. Which of course is always fun.

All bullshit aside, I still love the game, I'll continute to play it and purchase further DLC as well, but the Battlefield community has definitely declined over the years.

TheOneJat
01-08-2012, 06:39 PM
Only like wake island. Its the only map where MAV transport is not used and its also the only map from the karkand maps which I don't get shitty frame-rate lagg on. Noticed this especially when building damage/destruction is taking place. New and different weapons are a nice addition but I just can't enjoy most maps for the reasons stated above.

fastNcurious
01-08-2012, 06:48 PM
The maps all suck more dick than a porn star. Gulf of Oman has TWO towers for people to camp on. It and Wake Island give Attackers half a mile of almost completely open ground to cover at the beginning. Sharqi Peninsula ends with the EASIEST camp-able M-COM in the game save Seine Crossing, AFTER another Omaha-Beach-open-ground area.

I second this opinion. All map packs/DLCs should have a good variety of map types. The B2K maps are way too open. As a result, my friends and I have been using these maps to play jeep jihad. If you're lucky, your jeep is too fast for snipers to get you. You're bound to get a kill or vehicle destroy with each jeep, though you'd have to be willing to swallow the occasional suicide.