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Syrette
12-13-2011, 04:17 PM
Yet to play B2K but I'm wondering what to expect. Much easier to kill ground targets, much easier to be taken out by air targets?

Poppygalaxy
12-13-2011, 04:21 PM
Total garbage. In dogfights you are dead, as simple as that.
Can't turn for shit, you will try to slow down to turn tighter then the stupid ting goes into hover mode.

If you hover you a dead meat to everything basically. Planes kill you so fast, choppers can easily kill you, tanks can kill you. guys whit SMAW/RPG and has a decent aim shoot you down.

The only time it's good is when you use the element of surprise.

Barad
12-13-2011, 04:21 PM
I think it's pretty kickass..80 hrs and I couldn't get any kills with the other jets on the main game and 2 games on here and I have 5 kills already :P Yeah it doesn't turn but the hover mode thing works.

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 04:26 PM
Total garbage. In dogfights you are dead, as simple as that.
Can't turn for shit, you will try to slow down to turn tighter then the stupid ting goes into hover mode.

If you hover you a dead meat to everything basically. Planes kill you so fast, choppers can easily kill you, tanks can kill you. guys whit SMAW/RPG and has a decent aim shoot you down.

The only time it's good is when you use the element of surprise.


Yeah, the Su-35 kicks its ass in turning dogfights. You can use it like a helo though.

Poppygalaxy
12-13-2011, 04:28 PM
Yeah, the Su-35 kicks its ass in turning dogfights. You can use it like a helo though.

You can, but the actual Attack chopper beats it in every way.

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 04:44 PM
You can, but the actual Attack chopper beats it in every way.


Rotating turret, rocket pods, guided missiles, more control...yeah.

ZingZitang
12-13-2011, 04:50 PM
Yeah, the Su-35 kicks its ass in turning dogfights. You can use it like a helo though.

Which is Sad Really Considering the F-35 is The Fastest and most Agile Jet in the World.

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 05:03 PM
Which is Sad Really Considering the F-35 is The Fastest and most Agile Jet in the World.


F-22s go faster and the dual thrust projectors can turn tighter. It is an Airforce Jet, and the 35 is a Marine jet, so that is why we got it.

ZingZitang
12-13-2011, 05:13 PM
F-22s go faster and the dual thrust projectors can turn tighter. It is an Airforce Jet, and the 35 is a Marine jet, so that is why we got it.
The F-35 is a Stealth Joint Strike Fighter used by All Branches of the Military, and is more or less just a VTOL F-22 Designed for Attacking Ground Targets.

I was Fairly Certain that they were the same speed/maneuverability wise, but you are correct, the F-22 is Slightly Faster, and Quite a bit more Maneuverable.

So that makes the F-35 the Second or maybe Third Fastest/Most Maneuverable jet.

We should paint it red, because we all know the red ones go faster.

BIGbivvie
12-13-2011, 05:17 PM
I'm liking it, better than the other jets :)

Jaska95
12-13-2011, 05:55 PM
It makes destroying choppers and killing foot soldiers whit jet very fun. I like it more than normal jets. But if you get into fight whit real jet you have no chance.

Le Vampyr
12-13-2011, 05:56 PM
I have to pilot the F-35 myself, but I hear the main cannon does more damage to vehicles than other the other jets.

I have however, fought against F-35 pilots in B2K today, and all were easy kills while I was flying the Su-35. Obviously people are still getting used to them, or I just shot down some inexperienced pilots, curious to try a new vehicle (perhaps both!). No doubt that with practice and time, we may come to see some experienced F-35 pilots and that it may actually turn out to be rather vicious when in the right hands.

Dog fighting against F-35s though, I did notice that when they tried to turn at low throttle, they would go into hover mode and their altitude would just sink. Battlefield twitter said that you need to try and maintain the throttle to prevent going into hover mode, but everyone likes to make sharp turns and 180s, so this hover mode needs to be activated by some other means, like by pressing a certain button or something.

I'll give them a try later and see what I think.

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 06:08 PM
I have to pilot the F-35 myself, but I hear the main cannon does more damage to vehicles than other the other jets.

I have however, fought against F-35 pilots in B2K today, and all were easy kills while I was flying the Su-35. Obviously people are still getting used to them, or I just shot down some inexperienced pilots, curious to try a new vehicle (perhaps both!). No doubt that with practice and time, we may come to see some experienced F-35 pilots and that it may actually turn out to be rather vicious when in the right hands.

Dog fighting against F-35s though, I did notice that when they tried to turn at low throttle, they would go into hover mode and their altitude would just sink. Battlefield twitter said that you need to try and maintain the throttle to prevent going into hover mode, but everyone likes to make sharp turns and 180s, so this hover mode needs to be activated by some other means, like by pressing a certain button or something.

I'll give them a try later and see what I think.


Ya, you can't dogfight with them. If you maintain speed you can't turn, and if you drop speed to turn into an enemy, you go into hover and lose control. They can't dogfight at all, the Su-35 easily defeats the F-35.

PrinceofDeath86
12-13-2011, 06:50 PM
The F-35 is a Stealth Joint Strike Fighter used by All Branches of the Military, and is more or less just a VTOL F-22 Designed for Attacking Ground Targets.

I was Fairly Certain that they were the same speed/maneuverability wise, but you are correct, the F-22 is Slightly Faster, and Quite a bit more Maneuverable.

So that makes the F-35 the Second or maybe Third Fastest/Most Maneuverable jet.

We should paint it red, because we all know the red ones go faster.
If your taking about active service Jets then maybe but as far as the F-22 being the fastest, far from it. I guess everyone has forgotten about the old SR-71's?

Priit3
12-13-2011, 07:02 PM
How do you hoover with this thing? :confused:

Zombiedrd
12-13-2011, 07:02 PM
If your taking about active service Jets then maybe but as far as the F-22 being the fastest, far from it. I guess everyone has forgotten about the old SR-71's?



Maybe he meant Air Superiority aircraft?

I'd like to see the J-20 and T-50 in combat too. Americans aren't the only ones with gen 5 aircraft now. Plus, once the F-35 goes active, a dozen nations(Mostly NATO) already have them ordered.

littlejay
12-13-2011, 07:29 PM
How do you hoover with this thing? :confused:

slow down with LT and you will auto hover. hit the gas to make like a normal jet.

ZingZitang
12-14-2011, 01:59 AM
If your taking about active service Jets then maybe but as far as the F-22 being the fastest, far from it. I guess everyone has forgotten about the old SR-71's?
You Are Correct, But the SR-71 is a Reconnaissance Plane. Its not used for Offensive means.

The F-22, and F-35 are two of the Fastest, Most Maneuverable Fighter Jets.

MasterNinja33
12-14-2011, 03:20 AM
I haven't played the DLC yet but I would assume the F-35s weren't any good. Anyone who played Battlefield 2 on the PC would remember how terrible the F-35s were. The J-10s tore them up all day long.

Zombiedrd
12-14-2011, 03:22 AM
I haven't played the DLC yet but I would assume the F-35s weren't any good. Anyone who played Battlefield 2 on the PC would remember how terrible the F-35s were. The J-10s tore them up all day long.


Yea, the J-10 was a beast. Most of the Chinese stuff destroyed American stuff in that game.

wenerdog
12-14-2011, 03:54 AM
Hate to Break it to you people cause you need to wake up. The F35 has a top speed of about 1.6 mach and the Mig 25 Has a top speed of 3.2 mach. Also the Flanker has a top speed around 2.2 mach. Did I mention the f35 is slow and crap? Also a unless this is different then a harrier some how which I would have to do research into. You can not hover and fire. Just saying.

Zombiedrd
12-14-2011, 03:59 AM
Hate to Break it to you people cause you need to wake up. The F35 has a top speed of about 1.6 mach and the Mig 25 Has a top speed of 3.2 mach. Also the Flanker has a top speed around 2.2 mach. Did I mention the f35 is slow and crap? Also a unless this is different then a harrier some how which I would have to do research into. You can not hover and fire. Just saying.

You mean in real life, right? In game you can hover.


Problem with going top speed is you can't engage enemy aircraft. At engagement speed, the 35, 22 can out manurever the Su-35 and MiG-25. That was the entire point of vectored thrusts.

13ip0lar
12-14-2011, 04:29 AM
Total garbage. In dogfights you are dead, as simple as that.
Can't turn for shit, you will try to slow down to turn tighter then the stupid ting goes into hover mode.

If you hover you a dead meat to everything basically. Planes kill you so fast, choppers can easily kill you, tanks can kill you. guys whit SMAW/RPG and has a decent aim shoot you down.

The only time it's good is when you use the element of surprise.

This. I got 4 kills and a few deaths and have vowed to never use it again. I had a lol this is awesome moment when I raped a heli while hovering no problem. The fact that if you do more then tap on the brakes and it starts to go vertical is crap. SU is so vastly superior. 10+ kills all day with 0 deaths in the jet. :D

wenerdog
12-14-2011, 06:08 AM
Of course real life. You can not just engage vertical thrust when ever you so please, not that easy. Also the combat speed of the Mig 25 was around 2.2 mach. Much faster then the F35's top speed. The Mig 25 is also about 40 years old and a proven system.

Zombiedrd
12-14-2011, 06:27 AM
Of course real life. You can not just engage vertical thrust when ever you so please, not that easy. Also the combat speed of the Mig 25 was around 2.2 mach. Much faster then the F35's top speed. The Mig 25 is also about 40 years old and a proven system.



Yes, but at mach 2.2 you can not get into a turning dogfight. The 25 would have to take a speeding pass shot, then it would have to speed out. It was not designed for slow combat, like the Fishbed. Fulcrums and Flankers are better designed for a more classic dogfight.

Then we would just have to see how the vaunted stealth avionics of the 35 would be able to go against a 25.

I know the MiG-25 is a good system, but the Israelis downed some using F-15sm the Iranians downed as many as 14 using the F-14 and MiG-29 systems, and the Americans downed three with F-15s, and an F-16 during its engagements with Iraq.

I'm just saying that older generation aircraft can fight them, so a newer one with advanced avionics could as well, IF they decided to stay.

If they made passing runs and went on, they could be effective, again, depending on the avionics and countermeasures modern fighters have.

They are wonderful for reconnaissance as well. Their speed is why the Russian Air Force still uses them(Is replacing with their upgrade, the MiG-35 now.

wenerdog
12-14-2011, 06:41 AM
During the Persian Gulf War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War), a US Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Navy) F/A-18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F/A-18_Hornet), piloted by Lt Cdr Scott Speicher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Speicher), was shot down on the first night of the war by a missile[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-CIA_summ-34) probably fired by a MiG-25.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-35) The kill was reportedly made with a Bisnovat R-40TD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisnovat_R-40) missile fired from a MiG-25PDS flown by Lt. Zuhair Dawood of the 84th squadron of the IrAF.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-36)
In another incident, an Iraqi MiG-25PD, after eluding eight U.S. Air Force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Air_Force) F-15s, fired three missiles at General Dynamics EF-111A Raven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_EF-111A_Raven) electronic warfare aircraft, forcing them to abort their mission and leave attacking aircraft without electronic jamming support.[N 1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-37)[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-38)
In yet another incident, two MiG-25s approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles (which were evaded by the F-15s), and then outran the American fighters. Two more F-15s joined the pursuit, and a total of 10 air-to-air missiles were fired at the MiG-25s, although none reached them.[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-39) According to the same sources, at least one F-111 was also forced to abort its mission by a MiG-25 on the first 24 hours of hostilities, during an air raid over Tikrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikrit).[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-40)
Two MiG-25s were shot down by USAF F-15Cs during the Gulf War, both using AIM-7s.[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-41)[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-42) After the war, on 27 December 1992, a U.S. F-16D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon) downed a MiG-25 that violated the no-fly zone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_no-fly_zones) in southern Iraq with an AMRAAM missile. It was the first USAF F-16 air to air victory and the first AMRAAM kill.[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-43)[44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-44)
On 23 December 2002, an Iraqi MiG-25 shot down a U.S. Air Force unmanned MQ-1 Predator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MQ-1_Predator) drone, which was performing armed reconnaissance over Iraq. This was the first time in history that an aircraft and an unmanned drone had engaged in combat. Predators had been armed with AIM-92 Stinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-92_Stinger) air-to-air missiles, and were being used to "bait" Iraqi fighter aircraft, then run. In this incident, the Predator did not run, but instead fired one of the Stingers, which missed, while the MiG's missile did not.[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-45)[46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25#cite_note-46)
No Iraqi aircraft were deployed in the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003, with most Iraqi aircraft being hidden or destroyed on the ground. In August 2003, several dozen Iraqi aircraft were discovered buried in the sand.
Dog fights are the past, in, fire a missile and run like hell. If you carry 2000 rounds of ammunition we will say for a 20mm cannon. Firing 6000 rounds per minute gives you seconds of actual gun fire. The point of this is the vertical thrust when ever pleasing and firing when hovering anyways.

Zombiedrd
12-14-2011, 06:46 AM
Spaces, please.


I agree dogfights will not be common. Especially when a superpower goes against a smaller power like the US-Iraq engagements.


However, if the giants do ever go up against each other again, not all aircraft will be destroyed on the ground because the large powers have countermeasures, much better AD systems, are are just larger, with more hiding spots for aircrfat

wenerdog
12-14-2011, 06:55 AM
That is the point, when people can come fire and leave with out you being able to return fire is an issue. The f35 is crap and its that simple. I would take damn near anything else over it. I believe that is even fast enough that the FC Radars on our ships can even track them. I want to say anything over 2 mach but I would have to ask around at work to learn more on that.

Zombiedrd
12-14-2011, 07:14 AM
That is the point, when people can come fire and leave with out you being able to return fire is an issue. The f35 is crap and its that simple. I would take damn near anything else over it. I believe that is even fast enough that the FC Radars on our ships can even track them. I want to say anything over 2 mach but I would have to ask around at work to learn more on that.


I think that is where the whole stealth aspect is supposed to take over. It isn't about speed, it is about not being able to see them. It is however a cheaper, less refined version of the F-22. There has to be something about them that gives them an edge, or half of Europe wouldn't be taking them.

Since there are still confidential things about it, unless you work at Lockheed or one of the Air Forces taking it, there is something that you, or I, don't know about it.

wenerdog
12-14-2011, 07:29 AM
Stealth only works until you start firing. Also stealth means hard to find and not invisible. Some Iraqi pilot I would not be calling them an "ace". People always buy crap off each other, how else do you make up for failures? Also if I worked with Lockhheed I would make enough money I would not play xbox and second discussing secret and or top secret material on a forum is a good way to go to jail for a long time. Again. This is about fact the F35 in this game can hovering on command and shoot while hovering.

Zombiedrd
12-14-2011, 07:41 AM
Stealth only works until you start firing. Also stealth means hard to find and not invisible. Some Iraqi pilot I would not be calling them an "ace". People always buy crap off each other, how else do you make up for failures? Also if I worked with Lockhheed I would make enough money I would not play xbox and second discussing secret and or top secret material on a forum is a good way to go to jail for a long time. Again. This is about fact the F35 in this game can hovering on command and shoot while hovering.


Really? You were the one who started bringing all the real aspects of various aircraft besides the unrealistic hovering/shooting. And yes stealth only works until they see you, but it also affects the ability of radar missiles to track. So even if a pilot did get a track, and did fire, the missile would have a hard time, plus the chaff and flare countermeasures.


Also, why can't rich people play games? Several well known people with money are known gamers. Lastly, if you talk about public information on a forum, they can't arrest you. I was just saying that unless you KNOW(Never said tell me) some secret specs of aircraft, you can't say if it is garbage in real life or not. It isn't even operational yet.

littlejay
12-14-2011, 02:09 PM
The F35 has made jet flying easier IMO. i would have had complete warrior but the only tank i could find had a squad mate in it and he got stuck between 2 walls and kept throwing smoke so i can't see who is shooting rpgs and we died very fast <_<

BSH 1975
12-14-2011, 03:09 PM
It doesn't matter what I think of it. I can't hit anything with those guns. I can fly the whole round long.....but I can't hit anything. So I leave the planes for the real pilots.

wenerdog
12-14-2011, 11:08 PM
Stealth is about trying to lower your Radar Cross Section. However, missile guidance has to be understood to use the right missile at the right time. I could use a passive missile that would lock onto the enemies radar and fire a missile thus all stealth anything will not help because the missile is being guided by the energy he is transmitting. Its not as easy as just shoot and deploy chaff like the games. Also if Chaff is not used properly it will not do a single thing. You launch chaff behind you and still fly right at the missile you will get hit for a basic example. As far as personal stuff. If I was rich I would not play xbox I would go buy a Brand new 2012 BMW M5 and never play forza 4 again. And no I can not be arrested for saying stuff found on google. However if I started giving out exact speeds of missiles, jets, counter measures or other things then yes any one could if they were in access of that information and gave it out.

CGPsaint
12-15-2011, 05:43 AM
I finally managed to get into a Conquest (not that lame fucking Conquest Assault) on Wake Island and figured I would give the F-35 a go. That was a once and only once kind of experiment. The F-35 is absolutely, positively inferior in every single way when stacked up against the Flanker. Talk about a let down. I will probably get 1 kill with it for the achievement and then never bother with that pile of shit again.

littlejay
12-15-2011, 05:02 PM
I finally managed to get into a Conquest (not that lame fucking Conquest Assault) on Wake Island and figured I would give the F-35 a go. That was a once and only once kind of experiment. The F-35 is absolutely, positively inferior in every single way when stacked up against the Flanker. Talk about a let down. I will probably get 1 kill with it for the achievement and then never bother with that pile of shit again.

it does suck against other jets, but ive managed a few chopper kills with it (i cant kill squat with other jets) dog fights are not possible but i cant do those anywho :p

CGPsaint
12-15-2011, 07:06 PM
it does suck against other jets, but ive managed a few chopper kills with it (i cant kill squat with other jets) dog fights are not possible but i cant do those anywho :p

Unfortunately, the majority of the time you are in a jet you are generally dogfighting, which makes the F-35 pretty much useless. At this point I will most likely only fly the Flanker if I'm on the Russian team or if I can steal it whilst on the US team.

13ip0lar
12-16-2011, 10:39 AM
I finally managed to get into a Conquest (not that lame fucking Conquest Assault) on Wake Island and figured I would give the F-35 a go. That was a once and only once kind of experiment. The F-35 is absolutely, positively inferior in every single way when stacked up against the Flanker. Talk about a let down. I will probably get 1 kill with it for the achievement and then never bother with that pile of shit again.

Unfortunately, the majority of the time you are in a jet you are generally dogfighting, which makes the F-35 pretty much useless. At this point I will most likely only fly the Flanker if I'm on the Russian team or if I can steal it whilst on the US team.

Since initially flying the F-35 I think it's alright, but overall it is garbage. The only reason I say it's alright is because the majority of kids that play BF3 like any FPS have no clue what they're doing. However if you actually get matched up against a decent pilot you're screwed. I think around 6-0 maybe more kills with it, but I can get double that no problem with a Flanker. Just comparing facts, it is vastly superior in every way though. :s

Zombiedrd
12-16-2011, 06:39 PM
Since initially flying the F-35 I think it's alright, but overall it is garbage. The only reason I say it's alright is because the majority of kids that play BF3 like any FPS have no clue what they're doing. However if you actually get matched up against a decent pilot you're screwed. I think around 6-0 maybe more kills with it, but I can get double that no problem with a Flanker. Just comparing facts, it is vastly superior in every way though. :s



It is easy to beat a F-35. Just turn, lol.

TheMarkOfPower
12-17-2011, 06:38 AM
its my personal favourite jet, quite a bit slower than the others making it easier to lock in with heatseekers, quite smooth to turn and roll as well, i like it.

13ip0lar
12-17-2011, 01:46 PM
Since initially flying the F-35 I think it's alright, but overall it is garbage. The only reason I say it's alright is because the majority of kids that play BF3 like any FPS have no clue what they're doing. However if you actually get matched up against a decent pilot you're screwed. I think around 6-0 maybe more kills with it, but I can get double that no problem with a Flanker. Just comparing facts, it is vastly superior in every way though. :s

It is easy to beat a F-35. Just turn, lol.


Le sigh...

Le Vampyr
12-17-2011, 04:40 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that the F-35 was introduced for people complaining that jets suck and they can't get kills with them, so they added F-35s as their easy kills lol! Went something like 17-3 on Wake Island last night, all from flying the Su-35.. mostly took out F-35s, alongside a chopper or two and some ground targets.
But what made me lol most is that once the round was over, someone on the opposing team who I must have shot down sent me a message saying "MY F***ING GOD THE F-35 SUCKS!!!" xD