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JPEC83
06-05-2012, 09:35 AM
For me, I have to pretty much say: YES!

He has such a distinctive voice and an older Sam Fisher just doesn't seem right with the new VO. It is just completely wrong and I would be more interested if they just started a new character.

It makes sense for Sam to retire, especially after the last two games.

I'll keep following it and I'll certainly give any demo that comes along a try, but so far I am really disappointed with the decision to change the VO.

Darthgamer138
06-05-2012, 09:51 AM
Absolutely. Michael Ironside and James McCaffrey (Max Payne) are THE voice actors that I think most MKAE the games for me. What a dumb decision.

DarkReign2021
06-05-2012, 12:06 PM
I tend to agree. I personally think after the events of the last two that Sam Fisher would want absolutely nothing to do with Third Echelon. He lost his daughter and discovered she's alive after all the hell he was put through and instead of being with her he goes on another mission? Not bloody likely.

Archer and Kesler were proof that that are other agents just as capable as Sam, so I don't see why they can't just give us the next great character. Michael Ironside acknowledged that Sam Fisher is finished by not reprising the role, so Montreal needs to as well.

Personally, I'm willing to bet if the response is negative enough they'll do it. We all saw how they completely changed the other game after the response to hobo sam, so I bet they'd be willing to do it again. Time to put on the thinking caps and come up with a new character (or we could play as Grimsdottir. Wouldn't mind having a nice ass to look at while I'm stuck hiding in a dark corner. lol)

Burnout x360a
06-05-2012, 12:10 PM
I haven't been this interested in a Splinter Cell game since Chaos Theory so it's doing something right. Honestly I didn't notice the change until the comments pointed it out.

Veedrock
06-05-2012, 12:11 PM
After reading the reasoning (http://www.oxm.co.uk/42351/splinter-cell-blacklist-why-michael-ironside-is-no-longer-sam-fisher/) behind it, I'm willing to give it a chance.

Rapturous Rich
06-05-2012, 04:16 PM
After reading the reasoning (http://www.oxm.co.uk/42351/splinter-cell-blacklist-why-michael-ironside-is-no-longer-sam-fisher/) behind it, I'm willing to give it a chance. This.

Although Ironside gave Fisher more depth and development, made him less shallow and added his own dry humour to him as well as those little nuances that really made him and Fisher one and the same, I can understand the choice made by Ubi - though why they couldn't just have one guy do the mo-cap work with Ironside still lending his voice is beyond me. Or why couldn't they just have Fisher in charge of 3rd (4th?) Echelon, never seen but only heard, giving orders to a new splinter cell agent that this new guy could have played?

It's no deal breaker for me, I love Splinter Cell too much to be as stupid as to boycott it or whatever bullshit "hardcore" fans will do, though I sure will miss Ironside's unmistakable voice.

Hurricane Of 87
06-05-2012, 05:40 PM
I'm more interested in an Amon Tobin soundtrack than a Michael Ironside voiceover.
But then again ISAM was a pile of poo, like his spin on dubstep than managed to be just as awful.

DropDeadArtemus
06-05-2012, 08:17 PM
Although Ironside has given us the voice of Sam for years, I'm willing to give the new guy a shot. I understand why the change is happening. It won't affect my love for the game.

DEG23
06-06-2012, 12:44 AM
If Splinter Cell was still like the original game than yes maybe a new VO actor would be unwelcome, but the franchise has changed so much that i honestly don't care. I'm just hoping there will be more stealth in this one than there was in Conviction.

Archer and Kesler were proof that that are other agents just as capable as Sam, so I don't see why they can't just give us the next great character. Michael Ironside acknowledged that Sam Fisher is finished by not reprising the role, so Montreal needs to as well.

Sam Fisher is Splinter Cell, a new character would put a dent in the series, in the same way that replacing James Bond with a new MI6 agent would ruin the bond franchise.

HTownBoi
06-06-2012, 12:46 AM
It's not a deal breaker, but it definitely has me on the ropes about the game.

OceanH
06-06-2012, 08:46 AM
During Microsoft Press conference, I thought that with the new "younger" voice and Sam looking kinda younger too that it was a prequel to the first game set during the 1983 Beirut incident.

Rapturous Rich
06-07-2012, 03:37 PM
[. . .] a prequel to the first game set during the 1983 Beirut incident. Highly unlikely.
- Sam says "Welcome to Fourth Echelon", obviously pointing at a progression from Third Echelon.
- Patricia Caldwell is shown as the president - she was in office during the events of Conviction after succeeding David Bowers from the previous games so we can safely assume that Blacklist is either the very same administration or she has since been re-elected.
- If it were a prequel then Lambert, not Grimsdottir, would be overseeing operations and we only hear Grim in the gameplay footage we have seen.
- Victor Coste, Sam's estranged friend from Iraq that he met up with in Conviction for assistance, may also be present providing sniper overwatch - since there was no previous mention of him in earlier games we can again assume that after helping Sam clear house of Tom Reed and his other conspirators in Conviction that he was then officially inducted into Third Echelon with Sam and Grim running it.

Although, this is all assumption of course.

OceanH
06-07-2012, 09:37 PM
Highly unlikely.
- Sam says "Welcome to Fourth Echelon", obviously pointing at a progression from Third Echelon.
- Patricia Caldwell is shown as the president - she was in office during the events of Conviction after succeeding David Bowers from the previous games so we can safely assume that Blacklist is either the very same administration or she has since been re-elected.
- If it were a prequel then Lambert, not Grimsdottir, would be overseeing operations and we only hear Grim in the gameplay footage we have seen.
- Victor Coste, Sam's estranged friend from Iraq that he met up with in Conviction for assistance, may also be present providing sniper overwatch - since there was no previous mention of him in earlier games we can again assume that after helping Sam clear house of Tom Reed and his other conspirators in Conviction that he was then officially inducted into Third Echelon with Sam and Grim running it.

Although, this is all assumption of course.

I was thinking it was a prequel during the beginning where Sam transported the injured enemy until he started communicating with Grim which is when I went "what?".

xJuicey Mooseyx
06-07-2012, 09:58 PM
i thought they was stopping the splinter cell series now, oh well love these games anyway deffo will be buying it

ZingZitang
06-14-2012, 08:29 PM
Its almost a deal breaker for me.

Conviction is one of My Favorite Games of all time, and that is - quite simply - because of Ironside's performance as Sam Fisher.

Spock
06-15-2012, 03:50 AM
I don't care one bit. It's just a damn voice. If that makes someone not want to buy a game... I just... I just don't know... :|

kyboy
06-15-2012, 04:38 AM
no, its not a deal breaker. because ive never played any splinter cell games. but this one looks gorgeous. so i will be picking up this game!

Rivercurse
08-20-2012, 01:44 AM
No, not a deal breaker for me at all. I've played most Splinter cells down the years on one platform or another, but genreally only once through each time. I genuinely think I wouldn't even have noticed the change if I hadn't read about it online.

I enjoy the series, but it's never been one that really grabbed me. I'll be getting Blacklist regardless of who voices Sam.

cjdavies
09-04-2012, 12:58 PM
Doesn't bother me, it's a game I want to play either way.

Rapturous Rich
09-04-2012, 05:13 PM
I don't care one bit. It's just a damn voice. If that makes someone not want to buy a game... I just... I just don't know... :| At first I was like "This guy knows" then I saw your username and I was like "This guy knows AND he has taste in TV and films".

Splinter4
01-23-2013, 10:18 PM
SC: Conviction was so bad that it was almost a deal breaker. But now without Michael Ironside??? ...oh yeah, DEAL BREAKER... almost definitely.

Michael Ironside IS "Sam Fisher" and should get credit as the primary reason that the character ever worked in the first place. His creative influence on Sam Fisher was a huge reason for the Series' continued success.

Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the creative license Ubisoft has with the Series... but to simply "replace" Michael Ironside's iconic VO work as Sam Fisher with a new Actor because of technical considerations is pathetically lazy on the part of Ubisoft.

Retire Sam and introduce us all to a NEW character... simply a little creative STORY TELLING is all that's required. And I love the idea that "Rapturous Rich" posted earlier...


... Or why couldn't they just have Fisher in charge of 3rd (4th?) Echelon, never seen but only heard, giving orders to a new splinter cell agent that this new guy could have played? ...


What a brilliantly simple solution that would fit perfectly into the Splinter Cell storyline and heritage. We could all experience the OFFICIAL passing of the torch, from Sam Fisher to Joe Schmuckatelli (or whatever they want to name him).

Seriously Ubisoft, at least bring back Tom Clancy and ask him what he thinks of your "story". PLEASE!

Cheers :drunk

BiggD
01-27-2013, 10:45 PM
If Splinter Cell was still like the original game than yes maybe a new VO actor would be unwelcome, but the franchise has changed so much that i honestly don't care. I'm just hoping there will be more stealth in this one than there was in Conviction.

Gotta agree with you, DEG. It's not like Conviction played anything like Chaos Theory...or even Double Agent for that matter. I'm willing to give this game a chance. It bothers me that Ironside is gone, but it's not the end of the world and it's not going to let me skip out on what could be a really good game.

Tentaklaus
03-12-2013, 06:47 PM
Not a dealbreaker, but it bothers me...

Majica8
03-13-2013, 02:12 AM
No. And anyone who doesn't get this game JUST because of the voice actor is kind of an idiot tbh.

You won't find a bigger SC fan than me, and I love Ironside as Fisher, but I love SC as a whole even more and wouldn't dream of missing out on another game just because of a voice.

Direkin
03-25-2013, 03:21 AM
It's not a deal breaker for me. I'd welcome another SC game that effectively goes back to the roots of the originals.
If Splinter Cell was still like the original game than yes maybe a new VO actor would be unwelcome, but the franchise has changed so much that i honestly don't care. I'm just hoping there will be more stealth in this one than there was in Conviction.

Sam Fisher is Splinter Cell, a new character would put a dent in the series, in the same way that replacing James Bond with a new MI6 agent would ruin the bond franchise.

During Microsoft Press conference, I thought that with the new "younger" voice and Sam looking kinda younger too that it was a prequel to the first game set during the 1983 Beirut incident.
And just like James Bond, he gets younger with every iteration :P

Crimson x360a
07-22-2013, 11:44 PM
It's bullshit. Should have Sam Fisher be the guy giving orders and such and play as a new character with the new voice over. Why keep Sam Fisher and change his voice? Give us a new damn character.

bLaKgRaVy
07-23-2013, 04:38 AM
No. And anyone who doesn't get this game JUST because of the voice actor is kind of an idiot tbh.

You won't find a bigger SC fan than me, and I love Ironside as Fisher, but I love SC as a whole even more and wouldn't dream of missing out on another game just because of a voice.

:whs
Anyone who doesn't play a game because of a voice over, a character look change, or even the achievement list is basically an idiot. :rolleyes:

It's bullshit. Should have Sam Fisher be the guy giving orders and such and play as a new character with the new voice over. Why keep Sam Fisher and change his voice? Give us a new damn character.

If you were playing as a new character, there would be 100 times as many people up in arms about the change than a stupid voice over. I'm sorry, but not playing as Sam Fisher isn't Splinter Cell.

It's like playing Halo not as Master Chief... oh wait...

BiggD
07-23-2013, 06:45 AM
If you were playing as a new character, there would be 100 times as many people up in arms about the change than a stupid voice over. I'm sorry, but not playing as Sam Fisher isn't Splinter Cell.

It's like playing Halo not as Master Chief... oh wait...

Lol, exactly what I think everyone someone brings up that argument. Who cares if Sam's VO changed. Not playing as Sam is worse than having Sam VO'd by a new guy.

Majica8
07-23-2013, 02:09 PM
I kinda like Sam's new voice anyway. No it's not Ironside, and it's not the same, but it still suits Sam and from what I've seen/heard Eric Johnson does a damn good job.

BiggD
07-23-2013, 06:14 PM
I kinda like Sam's new voice anyway. No it's not Ironside, and it's not the same, but it still suits Sam and from what I've seen/heard Eric Johnson does a damn good job.

It does sounds pretty good, but it's too young. It needs more rasp and a ton of cigarettes.

AceBD
07-26-2013, 03:07 AM
I think at first, Sam sounds a little odd. But, it's absolutely not a deal breaker. I'm super exited for this game, as I loved Conviction's gameplay.

uk terminator 100
08-14-2013, 01:23 PM
Not a deal breaker for me, don't really care about the voice it's about the story

DarkReign2021
08-14-2013, 04:22 PM
Well, we're now less than a week away from launch and I've had myself blacklisted (lol. get it?) from Splinter Cell content outside of the reveal trailer, one gameplay trailer, and one SvM trailer. I was aware of the new VO from the beginning and although it's still not a deal breaker, I just now watched the premiere Trailer on the Xbox dashboard and his voiceover that spans the entire video just makes it apparent how much I HATE the new voice... They seriously should've just given us a new character. Ironside could reprise his role of Fisher in a Director/Mentor kind of way and your character could've been the future of the Splinter Cell program. Such a missed opportunity...

Other than that, though, still looking forward to the game. As I said, it's no deal breaker. It's just going to bug the crap out of me. I'm just going to pretend we're playing as Sam Fisher's long-lost son, Sam Fisher Jr., who's simply grizzled, greyed, and didn't age gracefully.

Also, anybody else think Sam's head is too round on his new model? He always had a very squarish head and hairstyle. This Fisher looks more like the Default Shepard from Mass Effect.

BiggD
08-14-2013, 09:29 PM
Also, anybody else think Sam's head is too round on his new model? He always had a very squarish head and hairstyle. This Fisher looks more like the Default Shepard from Mass Effect.

His head is rather round. I don't like it.

WipeoutBoy1
08-15-2013, 05:28 PM
It shouldn't but it has.

Final Breed
08-17-2013, 09:41 PM
Yes!

But I like most fans, aren't gonna let some VO change make me bypass this franchise i've been playing since the very start. Im sure Michael Ironside will be back eventually.

Im just gonna have to listen to MI's voice in the background while playing Blacklist, lol!

xXmyxxmastaXx
08-18-2013, 09:54 PM
its weird because Sam is 54 but sounds like a 23 year old, like he tripped into a Vat full of youth serum. this isnt Sam fisher, its sam fishburne

Flesh-Dryer
08-18-2013, 11:31 PM
It really sucks that it isn't the real Sam Fisher but so far the SP has been more than awesome (IMO) for someone who loves pure stealth and went straight into perfectionist mode and going for the least possible knockouts this playthrough. Also trying to do as many secondary objectives w/o getting caught either just to add more of a challenge for me personally.

True vets will like playing the SP. I've had a blast so far knowing i've gone through some really intense sections without even touching an enemy. Make sure to turn the ingame brightness down to it's proper levels for the best experience. Depending on the time of day I keep mine as low as 0 or as high as 2. Anything else makes it too easy.

Shiftie
08-18-2013, 11:39 PM
Here I was thinking this was supposed to be a younger Sam Fisher set in a more modern time.. but having the SAME Sam Fisher just sound younger is kind of stupid. I won't be buying the game out of the gate, but I will somewhere down the line. I don't want to make the same mistake I did by avoiding the DMC reboot, cause that game was amazing, and I already love the Splinter Cell series.

That being said, I do agree that going the route of introducing or focusing on a new operative would have been ideal. Just let Sam retire on a nice island in the Caribbean or something.

shooterking69
08-21-2013, 06:53 AM
I am disappointed the voice actor is different _ but I am still buying the game for sure.

Its sad but its that big of a deal.

Lonegunman718
08-21-2013, 04:19 PM
he looks a bit different and when he speaks it just sounds weird, i'd pay 1600MS points for a ironside voice pack.

another thing with ubisoft like wtf why do you need to change the character models so much, its like they change it just so they can say its new. they do this with assassins creed and it drives me nuts. so far i do love the game with those little complaints and hope we can get some single player or at least co op mission dlc in the future.

DarkReign2021
08-21-2013, 05:57 PM
I'm enjoying the game so far (although this "no alarms" think on some of the 4E missions is ridiculous...) but I have to admit I'm pretty confused sometimes. There will be scenes where Sam is talking off-screen and I don't even realize it's him.

On top of that, the character models are definitely still bugging me. Briggs and Charlie are fine, but the recurring characters (Sam, Grim, and Vic) don't even look anything like they did in the last game. Kobin is the only one that seems to have stayed roughly the same. On a whole, though, I would say the quality and level of detail in the character models is a lot worse than Conviction. At least it's fun to play, even if it still doesn't give me that classic Splinter Cell feel of the original trilogy.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/14/146864/2144347-char_sam_fisher.png
http://2e130c55e0c2763c8a20-c7a4d0feffd26319b59c92c4aecae366.r18.cf1.rackcdn.c om/95fb115f9ca697ff3b4db773fc832dcb9178d97b.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RU8vXW4WLqU/TD-2A5hR2oI/AAAAAAAATTY/0phTjrQ8oCQ/conviction_game%202010-07-04%2009-34-23-10.jpg
http://blog.ubi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Grim-1.jpg

BiggD
08-21-2013, 07:05 PM
I'm enjoying the game so far (although this "no alarms" think on some of the 4E missions is ridiculous...) but I have to admit I'm pretty confused sometimes. There will be scenes where Sam is talking off-screen and I don't even realize it's him.

On top of that, the character models are definitely still bugging me. Briggs and Charlie are fine, but the recurring characters (Sam, Grim, and Vic) don't even look anything like they did in the last game. Kobin is the only one that seems to have stayed roughly the same. On a whole, though, I would say the quality and level of detail in the character models is a lot worse than Conviction. At least it's fun to play, even if it still doesn't give me that classic Splinter Cell feel of the original trilogy.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/14/146864/2144347-char_sam_fisher.png
http://2e130c55e0c2763c8a20-c7a4d0feffd26319b59c92c4aecae366.r18.cf1.rackcdn.c om/95fb115f9ca697ff3b4db773fc832dcb9178d97b.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_RU8vXW4WLqU/TD-2A5hR2oI/AAAAAAAATTY/0phTjrQ8oCQ/conviction_game%202010-07-04%2009-34-23-10.jpg
http://blog.ubi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Grim-1.jpg

Am I blind? Sam and Grimm look identical from Conviction to Blacklist. Victor is the one who's changed a lot though.

DarkReign2021
08-22-2013, 03:33 AM
Sam's head is a lot more rounded, particularly in the structuring of his jaw. The browline is also more pronounced in Conviction Fisher. The bridge of the nose stayed the same, but Blacklist Fisher's nose is longer and slightly more narrow.

As for Grimmsdotir, she just looks way older. Her eyes are more gaunt, her mouth is wider, her neck is longer and thicker.

Vic I'm not even going to get started on. I didn't even realize it was the same person until I heard his name. He lost the "Cuban Uncle" look that I loved so much about him in conviction.

DEG23
08-22-2013, 06:53 AM
Not a fan of the new voice. Not saying the new actor is bad, in fact he's quite good but the problem is that the dialogue is very Sam'ish but the voice just doesn't match. It honestly feels like I'm playing a new, generic Splinter Cell agent who learned Splinter Cell slang from the original Fisher.

I like the new Grim. Grim in Conviction just didn't feel right, not sure why.

Phoenix E3
08-22-2013, 08:47 AM
For me, I have to pretty much say: YES!

He has such a distinctive voice and an older Sam Fisher just doesn't seem right with the new VO. It is just completely wrong and I would be more interested if they just started a new character.

It makes sense for Sam to retire, especially after the last two games.

I'll keep following it and I'll certainly give any demo that comes along a try, but so far I am really disappointed with the decision to change the VO.

dunno why they did it...dont even know if its cuz michael ironside didnt feel up to it again

i was saying they should've done like a special edition...or have a DLC add-on with michael ironside's voice

DarkReign2021
08-22-2013, 12:44 PM
Not a fan of the new voice. Not saying the new actor is bad, in fact he's quite good but the problem is that the dialogue is very Sam'ish but the voice just doesn't match. It honestly feels like I'm playing a new, generic Splinter Cell agent who learned Splinter Cell slang from the original Fisher.

I like the new Grim. Grim in Conviction just didn't feel right, not sure why.

It may just be my disliking of older-looking women and my extreme love of redheads, but I always had a thing for Conviction Grim. Understandably a lot of people didn't care for her. All things considered, she made a huge change from the previous games.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130402064922/splintercell/images/thumb/7/7c/DisplaceInternationalIntro.jpg/1000px-DisplaceInternationalIntro.jpg

*Sigh* Anybody else still miss Lambert? I thought he was an amazing character and the perfect balance for Fisher's personality. Still can't believe they forced us to shoot him.

dunno why they did it...dont even know if its cuz michael ironside didnt feel up to it again

i was saying they should've done like a special edition...or have a DLC add-on with michael ironside's voice

Ubisoft uses a hi-tech mocap system to do a lot of their animation and dialog. Making games these days as honestly more akin to making a movie these days actually. Since Ironside is so old and and not as physically capable as Fisher demands, he wouldn't have been able to perform the stunts they used in the game.

Honestly, though,I agree with you. I don't see why they HAVE to do the voicing and Mocap simultaneously. I still believe Ironside is and always will be the one true Fisher.

BiggD
08-22-2013, 04:12 PM
I like the new Grim. Grim in Conviction just didn't feel right, not sure why.

I didn't care for her in the past game either. She doesn't look too old in Blacklist, she actually looks really good.

Honestly, though,I agree with you. I don't see why they HAVE to do the voicing and Mocap simultaneously. I still believe Ironside is and always will be the one true Fisher.

I agree. They were able to do with Cortana and Chief in Halo 4, and Elizabeth in BioShock Infinite....so it makes no sense why Ubisoft or Ironside didn't choose this route.

Lonegunman718
08-22-2013, 07:15 PM
Am I blind? Sam and Grimm look identical from Conviction to Blacklist. Victor is the one who's changed a lot though.

you are blind lol jaw lines,mouth, spacing between eyes. the list goes on and on. im not saying the look bad or even the voice actor is bad. but when you have a fanbase and a character thats established you can change stuff like this 5 games deep lol.

still digging the game and hoping we get more and more co op content.

BiggD
08-22-2013, 07:32 PM
you are blind lol jaw lines,mouth, spacing between eyes. the list goes on and on. im not saying the look bad or even the voice actor is bad. but when you have a fanbase and a character thats established you can change stuff like this 5 games deep lol.

still digging the game and hoping we get more and more co op content.

Yupp, I'm blind :p I like the way Grimm looks in Blacklist more than any other game though.

Same here! COOP DLC would be awesome in the future.

DarkReign2021
08-22-2013, 08:42 PM
Fingers crossed we get more single play COOP stuff. I don't have anybody to co-op with, so it's easier if I can just tackle the levels on my own. A single-player story expansion would be really nice too. I'm still waiting for a game on Megiddo, (or The Illuminati or Free Masons or Patriots. Whatever omnipotent power that governs the world from behind the scenes you want to call them.)