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OldWIKI TIK
01-04-2008, 02:52 AM
What do you all think is the hardest vocal in career? Non-bonus tracks. I, without a doubt, think its Reptilla. Killed me on hard and now again, killing me on EX. Everyother song is no sweat, but this one sucks the life from me. Twelve tries in a row and still only get to 72%. :mad:

HoodMod
01-04-2008, 03:01 AM
I haven't done much vocals, when I do, I usually fail, but my friends playing had a really hard time with 'Train Kept a Rollin'.

TwistedFate
01-04-2008, 03:21 AM
Foreplay/Long Time about did me in on Expert. It was the last one and I failed when he went into the freestyle part at the very end about 20 times, before I got it. For some reason I also had trouble with Orange Crush, I just couldn't find the right pitch. Took me about 4 tries. The rest were two attempts at most.

Illution
01-04-2008, 03:26 AM
I haven't done much vocals, when I do, I usually fail, but my friends playing had a really hard time with 'Train Kept a Rollin'. Lol yeah that reminds me. My friend was singing that song while I was on drums and my friend was on guitar, and he was just like "holy crap this song is super fast what's he saying about a train what the hell what the hell " and kept throwin train in there every once in a while but it was hilarious lol.

HoodMod
01-04-2008, 03:33 AM
Lol yeah that reminds me. My friend was singing that song while I was on drums and my friend was on guitar, and he was just like "holy crap this song is super fast what's he saying about a train what the hell what the hell " and kept throwin train in there every once in a while but it was hilarious lol.

Ya they only require you do the correct pitch, but I think that might be specific to difficulties and expert/hard requires the correct lyrics. :confused: Iono.

OldWIKI TIK
01-04-2008, 03:36 AM
No you dont have to have the correct lyrics. Maybe the talky parts, but not the singing parts. I know because if i dont know or remember the words i have to hum it.

Illution
01-04-2008, 03:40 AM
No you dont have to have the correct lyrics. Maybe the talky parts, but not the singing parts. I know because if i dont know or remember the words i have to hum it. Humming usually works the best and is how I'm probably going to have to beat the vocal solo tour haha. But it's only the pitch because my friend was playing on hard and all he was doing was shouting obscenities and cursing the game yet he only failed once :eek: it was amazing though I almost died laughing..

Derrick DS
01-04-2008, 04:38 PM
The song by the Strokes 'Reptilia' is where I left off on Hard. I just kept failing and failing. Eventually I'll make my way back to the game.

Nickar124
01-04-2008, 08:07 PM
Yeah, Reptilla really killed me on the expert vocals, I'm just glad to know I'm not the only one who had trouble with that one. All the other songs I got just by humming and didn't have any fail streaks, but Reptilla made me scream at the screen :eek:

Derrick DS
01-04-2008, 08:40 PM
I never even thought to hum the tunes. I might have to try that when I get home from work. Forums @ work FTW! :-P

OldWIKI TIK
01-04-2008, 08:56 PM
There finally, got through reptilla and breezed through the rest. WTF tho, no platinum mic for completing expert? Im rather disappointed to get the same mic i had after beating hard. Still no doubt reptilla is THE hardest song for me.

ASTROBL4ACK
01-04-2008, 10:46 PM
Reptillia, Should I Stay or Should I Go and Foreplay/Longtime all gave me a hard time on Expert.

Feel My Rage
01-05-2008, 01:20 AM
There finally, got through reptilla and breezed through the rest. WTF tho, no platinum mic for completing expert? Im rather disappointed to get the same mic i had after beating hard. Still no doubt reptilla is THE hardest song for me.
Good for you bro!:woop:

Im on the set with "Ballroom Blitz" I think it's called....I dunno....the song just talks about eyes as red as the sun or something....

Anywho,i got there on medium,then quit to play the expert guitar career(btw,any tips for "Highway Star" "Flirtin' with disaster" or "GG&HTs" would be nice.I can only get to the end of the solos then i get screwed to the wall....:()

Hardest song i've sang on expert so far though has been Dani California....amazed me though cuz I can ace that song everytime i sing it so far....

EDIT:Oh.forgot to mention.....The silver instruments is for finishing the bonus tour,Gold is for finishing the main solo tour,and I think you get Platinum for finishing the Endless Setlist.....or,thats what I've heard

Sora27
01-05-2008, 01:30 AM
I've only completed the tour through medium, but I've played some songs on Hard and Expert, and it's only for high pitched (the last set and a half just about) or very, very low pitched songs (Should I stay or Should I go in certain areas, Orange Crush in some too, and songs generally like that, except I do ok with Reptillia.).

I actually sing in a glee club, so my voice isn't terrible, but it's certainly not great, but my problem is my voice is pretty much in the middle of the voices (Tenor 2 so I'm leaning closer to higher pitch) but the bottom most notes I can almost never get, and high pitched doesn't always register correctly, even though sometimes I feel like I have the right pitch.


And also I'm kind of confused. Does the pitch system adapt to the way you sing or do you have to adapt to each singer's voice? It seems like the latter to me, only because one pitch in another song can be drastically different from another song when the two pitches are just about in the same place on the "pitch chart" (whatever you're supposed to call it).

Feel My Rage
01-05-2008, 01:40 AM
Acctually Sora,It has nothing to do with pitch....or so says Harmonix.Its the note you need to sing.....so who knows.Maybe you are singing the right pitch but the wrong note?Who knows......

soccerplaya13cj
01-05-2008, 01:47 AM
Me and my friends were just goofing around and they threw me in ballroom blitz and it was hard, but enter sandman was thew hardest i sang.

OldWIKI TIK
01-05-2008, 01:50 AM
Me and my friends were just goofing around and they threw me in ballroom blitz and it was hard, but enter sandman was thew hardest i sang.
Really? I thought enter sandman was pretty easy compared to the others. As a matter of fact, i thought it might end up on the easy thread.

I think it does have something to do with either pitch or tone. For the real low parts i try out my death metal voice. LOL.

Feel My Rage
01-05-2008, 01:55 AM
lol.My friend sang Flirtin with Disaster at my house and I started to laugh so hard.He sounded like such a red neck while he was singing it...
xD

OldWIKI TIK
01-05-2008, 02:38 AM
I'll say this....... at least my voice doesn't transmit through on mulitplayer online.:biglaugh that way nobody has to hear how i sound.:woop:

Sora27
01-05-2008, 02:51 AM
Acctually Sora,It has nothing to do with pitch....or so says Harmonix.Its the note you need to sing.....so who knows.Maybe you are singing the right pitch but the wrong note?Who knows......

Really...I always thought it was the pitch you were supposed to match, like how high or low your voice is, which is also notes, so aren't they technically the same thing, with the notes just being a more exact way of measuring it.

Or am I just way over examining this:confused:

TwistedFate
01-05-2008, 01:49 PM
Really...I always thought it was the pitch you were supposed to match, like how high or low your voice is, which is also notes, so aren't they technically the same thing, with the notes just being a more exact way of measuring it.

Or am I just way over examining this:confused:

The vocal meter is (supposedly) one octave from top to bottom. If the original singer is too high/low you can sing it in a different octave and it will count.

Pitch is how high or low you are singing. Rock Band doesn't care about pitch. You don't have to match the singers pitch to get credit. You do have sing the same notes. If he/she sings and A, you need to sing an A. It can be 1, 2, 3, or more octaves higher or lower, but it must be an A.

Try this on a run through you don't care about. When the song starts hit a note at a level comfortable for you. Notice where it is on the scale. You can use that as a reference to get where you need to be to sing the song. Also run your pitch up or down a ways and you will see the arrow wrap to the top or bottom when you change from one octave to the other. Knowing how the meter works can help if you are having difficulty on a song. For example: Gimme Shelter by the Stones. I sing the long held notes at the beginning of the song in a comfortable pitch for me. Then the actual verses, which are lower on the note chart gave me difficulty. So now I actually sing those an octave higher because that is where my voice is comfortable. You don't have to sing it exactly as written.

GodComplex13
01-07-2008, 03:43 AM
Haha, I guess that explains it then.

I was jsut messing around and I tried my first song on vocals expert and it was Reptilia because I thought I knew the song a little and that I could figure it out. I sucked at it horribly, but I dont feel so bad anymore.

ASTROBL4ACK
01-07-2008, 12:03 PM
Haha, I guess that explains it then.

I was jsut messing around and I tried my first song on vocals expert and it was Reptilia because I thought I knew the song a little and that I could figure it out. I sucked at it horribly, but I dont feel so bad anymore.

Thats what I thought when I first sung "Suffragette City" on Expert. I got pwned and thought I would never beat it, but a little effort on any song you get stuck at can be comepleted.

RogueVasion
01-10-2008, 04:52 PM
Definitely Reptillia. I always get stuck on this song on expert!

RiteNowRiteNow
01-10-2008, 05:36 PM
The vocal meter is (supposedly) one octave from top to bottom. If the original singer is too high/low you can sing it in a different octave and it will count.

Pitch is how high or low you are singing. Rock Band doesn't care about pitch. You don't have to match the singers pitch to get credit. You do have sing the same notes. If he/she sings and A, you need to sing an A. It can be 1, 2, 3, or more octaves higher or lower, but it must be an A.

Try this on a run through you don't care about. When the song starts hit a note at a level comfortable for you. Notice where it is on the scale. You can use that as a reference to get where you need to be to sing the song. Also run your pitch up or down a ways and you will see the arrow wrap to the top or bottom when you change from one octave to the other. Knowing how the meter works can help if you are having difficulty on a song. For example: Gimme Shelter by the Stones. I sing the long held notes at the beginning of the song in a comfortable pitch for me. Then the actual verses, which are lower on the note chart gave me difficulty. So now I actually sing those an octave higher because that is where my voice is comfortable. You don't have to sing it exactly as written.

My buddy used this approach on a Hillary Duff song on Karaoke Revolution and got a perfect score (My wife, who had the previous high score was PISSED). That being said, I figured it would work for RB, and it does. When I play with my nephew, I usually play guitar and sing, and the first time we played Dani California (a song I know, but am not TOO familiar with), I just kinda hummed/half-spoke the versus, but I was in key. On the flip side, some of the notes on Foreplay/Long Time are tough to hit (especially if you're trying to keep quiet) so this is where I employ singing those parts an octave lower.

One of the trickier songs the first time through is Orange Crush, where Michael Stipe has that wierd effect on his voice, and if you're not paying attention, you'll jack that whole sequence because it's in a different key than the rest of the song.

Haven't played the solo vocal tour enough (I'm at like 25/62 or so on Hard) to have encountered a song that I can't pass. But from when I do WBT with my neph, Foreplay/Long Time and that Bang Camaro song (I'm gunna chalk this one up to unfamiliarity) really do me in.

(And for the record, I'm playing guitar on Hard and the Vox on Hard when doing both simultaneously)

Chupathingy13
01-10-2008, 05:42 PM
I haven't had any problems with Reptilia (I just like the song, I guess) or Train Kept A Rollin', but I have had problems with Flirtin' With Disaster. Not to mention, I think the most bizzare track would actually be Here It Goes Again. The randomness...it's just all over the place and can't pick a range to stay in.

But...what do you people think about Timmy?

Matrarch
01-10-2008, 09:17 PM
The Hardest for me to pass was the Coheed and Cambria Song. I just... didn't get what was going on.

It's interesting to see how things differ from person to person. I gold starred Flirtin' With Disaster (I guess that's what you'd call it right? 5 stars the are all golden-like..) The first time I played it and I had never even heard the song before. It was a little awesome. :) I didn't think Train Kept Rollin' was too bad. Just don't get hung up on the lyrics and focus on pitch. It's sorta the same deal as Dani California.

As for Timmy, I have yet to open it on expert, but I was so busy chuckling when I played through it on easy I only three starred it. Seems like it would be tough if you can't get the talky parts to go (which is the case for me.) :/

ho fosho 831
01-10-2008, 10:52 PM
why don't u guys just download the song and put the mic to the speaker i heard that works

OldWIKI TIK
01-10-2008, 10:59 PM
Well, for me anyway, there is no need. I have completed expert vocals and now am up to 4 FC's. And now (as long as i don't get kicked out for being inconsistent at times) i play in an online band and it would seem kinda cheap for me to just be placing the mic next to a speaker while everyone else is playing their :ass off. Besides, the timing is hard and im not sure about what kind of result it would do.

xRogue 5x
01-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Coheed and Cambria gave me the most trouble as well. At least i'm into the band so I didn't mind replaying the song a million times to finally finish it off.

Feel My Rage
01-11-2008, 01:15 AM
Well,today I finished the solo tour on medium....the two hardest songs for me were Flirtin' with disaster and Gimmie Shelter.Dunno why Shelter messes with me so much....

OldWIKI TIK
01-11-2008, 01:22 AM
Well,today I finished the solo tour on medium....the two hardest songs for me were Flirtin' with disaster and Gimmie Shelter.Dunno why Shelter messes with me so much....
This part.......1238give me fits too.

Feel My Rage
01-11-2008, 01:26 AM
Yup tiki,thats the bit that messes with me.....

And on Disaster it wierds me out that I almost failed,cause my first time singing it i managed to do it on hard.....

Bavib26
01-11-2008, 02:25 AM
i havent done a whole lot of singin becuase my family will make fun of me forever =[ but ive accully found talky songs like sabotage hard for me like i cant ever get an awesome on it

Feel My Rage
01-11-2008, 02:54 AM
I know how you feel man....it depends on when you come in and how long you hold the word though,its really annoying...

But no one bugs me about my singing because the only other person that can sig on medium in my family besides me is my step-dad...and even then I can sing some of the songs on hard,so I'm the best out of my huge family,lol

Chupathingy13
01-11-2008, 03:16 AM
...why does this thread remind me of the part in I Am Legend where Will Smith sings "I shot the Sheriff"?

Anyways, I can't believe people are having problems with Welcome Home. That song was waaay easy! Now, "Epic" was pretty hard...the "yeah, yeah, yeah" lyric in there always throws me off, I can never find the pitch for it.

Matrarch
01-11-2008, 03:44 AM
See, and Epic was easy for me save the talky parts to some degree. :)

I think my biggest problem with Welcome Hom was lack of familiarity. I'm sure if I hear it a few more times, it'll be fine.

Right before I purchased Rock Band, my friends and I lamented the thought of who was going to sing. I mean, I sing in choruses but I'm not a great singer. Well, now I've passed every song on expert and I've only had the game 3 weeks. I've even gold starred 4 of them. As long as you have decent pitch, it's all about practice. :)

Chupathingy13
01-11-2008, 05:57 AM
Just got Virtuoso!!

I think out of all the songs, I'd say Green Grass and High Tides was the hardest. I'm familiar with the song, it's just the pitch jumps around so violently that my laggy mic can't keep up with it.

Does anyone seem to have that problem? A laggy mic? I was singing Suffragette City (whatever it is, the damn David Bowie song) and I was just about to fail in the middle of it, started singing maybe a half-second ahead of time and started getting phrase streaks like crazy. What say you?

Matrarch
01-11-2008, 06:00 AM
Congrats on Virtuoso. :D *applauds*

As for the mic, I agree. Sometimes I see the arrow jump to where I was properly hitting a note, but a half a second late causing me to get a strong and ruin my FC attempt. :P Never thought to try to sing a little ahead of the song, but I can see how that would work.

zlionsfan
01-11-2008, 06:07 AM
ho fosho, as discussed elsewhere, I doubt that will work. You would have to isolate the vocal track, hope they were singing the same version that was in the game at the same speed and pitch, and make sure the sound came in clearly without feedback.

Chupa, I still have issues with that. At first it was because I didn't change the video settings (they have different options based on different TV types, so if it seems like you're just missing notes on any instrument, check that to make sure it matches your TV), but even after that, I found it better to sing early and hold longer to make sure I got full credit. I still don't get full credit on some spoken words.

The other thing I tend to do is sing how I've heard the song in RL and not match the duration of the notes in the game, so I lose points for that, which I blame for not getting the 100% achievement on vocals yet.

Suffragette City and Reptilia were the only ones on Expert I really struggled with. I probably failed Reptilia 20 times or so, maybe 6 or 7 times on Suffragette City. I had to try a few others two or three times, but the rest were no problem (not that I five-starred them). If you sing through each level, by Expert, you've sung each song at least twice, and if you've done any group play or played the other instruments, you've heard them more times than that. (As a rock fan, I was familiar with many of them anyway.) I don't have much trouble matching the pitch of a sustained note, but some of the moving phrases were difficult if I didn't know the song well.

One thing I did was to go back to Hard and sing it again, just to get all the way through the song and remember how it goes. You can also keep trying until you five-star it there and then move up to the next level.

With respect to octaves, I found it did help on a couple of songs to go up an octave - I have trouble with notes at the lower end of my range - but in general, I prefer to match the singer's pitch. It just seems more natural. Yes, it's difficult on some songs. :)

I totally agree with Matrarch. I'm no polished singer, but I have a lot of experience singing in games (I have three of the Karaoke Revolution games for the PS2, looking forward to the one on the 360), so I knew the mechanics. The rest is just practice.

Chupathingy13
01-11-2008, 06:14 AM
Chupa, I still have issues with that. At first it was because I didn't change the video settings (they have different options based on different TV types, so if it seems like you're just missing notes on any instrument, check that to make sure it matches your TV), but even after that, I found it better to sing early and hold longer to make sure I got full credit. I still don't get full credit on some spoken words.

The other thing I tend to do is sing how I've heard the song in RL and not match the duration of the notes in the game, so I lose points for that, which I blame for not getting the 100% achievement on vocals yet.


You know, I really haven't fiddled around with the lag settings. It could me a problem. I never really considered it since I have an SD CRT television set.

And I know what you mean, about the chart not always matching up with the original song. Could be because of cover, could be because of range issues with the mic...but still no excuse for them to be accurate with this sort of thing. I guess they got lazy, but who could blame them; 5 buttons on a 6-string, and 4 "pads" on a "drum set."


And dude, don't feel bad about failing this crap. I have 1 5 star (next to you), about 5 4-stars...and the rest are 3's. At one point during Won't Get Fooled Again, I could swear that I was going to finish the song with 2 stars.

GoBlue7
01-11-2008, 07:00 AM
The only songs I really have trouble with are Sweet Leaf and Gimme Shelter. I hate the beginning of Gimme Shelter and when they make you sing the chick's part after getting used to Mick's pitch on the rest of the song. Great song, but it's a bitch to sing.

zlionsfan
01-11-2008, 03:07 PM
You know, I really haven't fiddled around with the lag settings. It could me a problem. I never really considered it since I have an SD CRT television set.

And I know what you mean, about the chart not always matching up with the original song. Could be because of cover, could be because of range issues with the mic...but still no excuse for them to be accurate with this sort of thing. I guess they got lazy, but who could blame them; 5 buttons on a 6-string, and 4 "pads" on a "drum set."


And dude, don't feel bad about failing this crap. I have 1 5 star (next to you), about 5 4-stars...and the rest are 3's. At one point during Won't Get Fooled Again, I could swear that I was going to finish the song with 2 stars.
Hmm ... I don't think that would be causing your lag. I think SD is the default setting. I'd suspect it's just how the game works ... it wouldn't bother me that much if it weren't for the 100% achievement and spoken lyrics. Once you get to Expert, you can five-star most songs at the other levels, so you'll be fine in a band, but needing to hit Awesome on every phrase when the game decides you came in too late on that single word, grrrr.

GoBlue, that intro was how I suspected my mic was having issues ... hitting the note and holding it just fine, but not having the mic pick it up and not starting off with a streak to help me through the next part, that was bad.

Chupathingy13
01-11-2008, 06:32 PM
I hate the beginning of Gimme Shelter and when they make you sing the chick's part after getting used to Mick's pitch on the rest of the song. Great song, but it's a bitch to sing.

Does someone have an isolated vocal track for this? I'm spending the entire song wondering whether or not I'm on the right pitch. The lyric that always messes me up is:

"It's just a shot away, It's just a shot away"

zlionsfan
01-12-2008, 06:31 AM
Does someone have an isolated vocal track for this? I'm spending the entire song wondering whether or not I'm on the right pitch. The lyric that always messes me up is:

"It's just a shot away, It's just a shot away"
I don't, but I bet that would help. I think I always sing that part two or three notes too low - it just doesn't seem to sound right when I try to match the chart.

zlionsfan
01-12-2008, 05:12 PM
There finally, got through reptilla and breezed through the rest. WTF tho, no platinum mic for completing expert? Im rather disappointed to get the same mic i had after beating hard. Still no doubt reptilla is THE hardest song for me.
Yeah, I thought it sucked that for completing hard, you got - a gold mic. For completing expert you got - a gold mic. When you go to the store, you can choose between the standard mic and - the gold mic. Which you already have.

boo.

OldWIKI TIK
01-12-2008, 05:40 PM
Yeah, I thought it sucked that for completing hard, you got - a gold mic. For completing expert you got - a gold mic. When you go to the store, you can choose between the standard mic and - the gold mic. Which you already have.

boo.

That's ok, the real reward was.....

12431244

willcrazyiii
01-12-2008, 06:57 PM
Definitely Coheed and Cambria. I got such a bad headache from lack of breathing... that song is nearly impossible on Expert.