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Marx0r
01-17-2008, 03:16 AM
I was just hitting all those pretty blue letters on wikipedia and I noticed there wasn't a page for x360a. Seeing as we're a sizeable site, I think we should definitely have one. There's a long and illustrious history behind x360a, and I think the public should know.

Thoughts?

Sanction
01-17-2008, 03:19 AM
You are a H4Xx0r, heh. I think it'd be cool to have one. :D

HoodMod
01-17-2008, 03:29 AM
That'd be pretty nice. Somebody would have to write a very professional page for Wikipedia to keep it though. When it comes to even just editing things, they have a high standard and will remove your page if it isn't good.

Frizzed
01-17-2008, 03:34 AM
Good idea imo, would be great advertising for us on there.

matthewaburns
01-17-2008, 03:55 AM
I agree, good idea

Ingles
01-17-2008, 04:07 AM
I think this is a great idea! All those in favor of it starting off "Once Upon A Time", please raise your hand at this time. ;) It would be pretty cool though!

synister EFFECT
01-17-2008, 04:41 AM
I think this is a great idea! All those in favor of it starting off "Once Upon A Time", please raise your hand at this time. ;) It would be pretty cool though!

*raises hand slowly because hes the only one doing it*:p
But yeah, I think this would be a good idea. Then people would know where to go for all their xbox achievement needs:woop:

Tussell
01-17-2008, 05:13 AM
Not that my opinion counts, but I think it's a great idea. I haven't seen it proposed yet, good shit man. :)

vhayste
01-17-2008, 05:26 AM
Wikipedia has really high standards when it comes to posting new pages. I suggest checking out their help pages before even posting an article for the site.

A great idea nonetheless.

PerpetualHeaven
01-17-2008, 05:31 AM
Yeah, I think it's an awesome idea as long as whoever is writing it does it extremely well. If they wanted to do the history, they would have to dig deep and make sure it's accurate and precise.

Asian47
01-17-2008, 05:32 AM
That's a good idea, why didn't I think of that. :(

I would love to know the "illustrious" history behind this site. :)

HoodMod
01-17-2008, 05:47 AM
That's a good idea, why didn't I think of that. :(

I would love to know the "illustrious" history behind this site. :)

Here is a pretty good insight into the history of the site - good read -
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13758&highlight=gamesaver

Adam Miller
01-17-2008, 07:50 AM
I thought there already was one, so if there isn't we should really get it done, im willing to help if you want. :)

Zef
01-17-2008, 04:15 PM
A few things that might hinder the page. Wikipedia usually get rid of advertising pages, so they might just see this as advertising for the site and remove it. Plus there is always the risk that 'people' might go there and vandalise it a bit, so someone would need to check it regularly. And if people want to know about the site why don't they just come here and ask? Plenty of people have asked about x360a history and they can just search answers out for themselves or ask one of the fogies that have been here for a while.

SoaringEagle
01-17-2008, 04:24 PM
the advertising would be good in recruiting for members, and perhaps add a link to our site from the "xbox 360 achievements" feature of wiki. who volunteers, i dont mind writing it, but perhaps one on of the more experienced members can help me and tell me what u guys want. :D

Marx0r
01-17-2008, 07:48 PM
I'd be willing to do this, heck, I was gonna do it without posting a thread here, but I know jack about the origins of the site and I don't have a wiki account. I searched a few of the 'other' sites, and none of them have a page. If we were to make a page, link it in the Gamerscore section of the Xbox 360 article, and just be careful of the wording, we could see a lot more members.

I also think you can make private pages that are only editable by a select few, but I could be wrong.

Bax x360a
01-17-2008, 07:55 PM
I wouldn't mind having a go at writing an article for Wiki...

TheUltimateRush
01-17-2008, 08:30 PM
I have a wiki account and use to edit and make pages on certain info. i think if we make a wiki page where you could display the 360 achievements background and then be able to add your own guides on games, that would be so coooool !

Otisbum
01-17-2008, 09:16 PM
I also think you can make private pages that are only editable by a select few, but I could be wrong. We could just request it be locked to where only members of Wiki could change it. The mods will usually oblige if the page has been vandalized once or twice.

soccerplaya13cj
01-17-2008, 10:13 PM
Sorry guys, but good luck trying to get it on. A football site, although not this big, tried to get one on and they took it off that night.

xGodDogx
01-18-2008, 02:52 AM
:bow: -- Look at this raising 2 hands

Yeah sound good. I think this would be a fantastic idea.

Marx0r
01-18-2008, 02:59 AM
If any Senior members (i.e. those who have a first-hand knowledge of the early events of the site) want to help me put together a rough draft next week, contact me. Of course, I'm not gonna put anything on wikipedia without admin approval.

TKD 117
01-18-2008, 03:44 AM
I am relatively new here, but I am an administrator at Wikipedia (and have helped to write two Wikipedia articles that have been featured on its main page). I would very strongly suggest thoroughly reading the following before creating an article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28web%29For an example of how to do an article on a gaming website well, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameFAQs . Notice that a lot of sources are cited, including reputable third-party sources such as Ars Technica, The Guardian, Entertainment Weekly, and an IEEE paper.

In short, articles on web content should be citing multiple independent third-party reliable sources; those that don't can be deleted, in some cases immediately (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion). Yes, there are other articles that currently don't meet these guidelines, but every article is judged on its own merits, so sooner or later matters will likely be addressed.

Intending to use Wikipedia as a vehicle for recruiting new members would violate Wikipedia conflict of interest guideline (since you will be at odds with Wikipedia's goal of creating a neutral encyclopedia). Consider an article only if you are willing to put in the effort to look for genuine third-party sources and write from a neutral point of view. Looking for sources can be time-consuming.

If you can't find good third-party sources, don't create the article now. Wait until they can be found. To do otherwise will harbor the ill will of the Wikipedia community and can possibly make it harder to reinstate a proper article down the road (Wikipedia maintains blacklists). Many experienced members of Wikipedia are well attuned to these sorts of issues through past experience.

I know that this all sounds negative, but I've seen (and had to delete) many articles that didn't conform to Wikipedia's inclusion and content policies, and, frankly, I'd hate to see time and energy wasted on an article that doesn't end up sticking.

Marx0r
01-18-2008, 04:49 AM
I am relatively new here, but I am an administrator at Wikipedia (and have helped to write two Wikipedia articles that have been featured on its main page). I would very strongly suggest thoroughly reading the following before creating an article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28web%29For an example of how to do an article on a gaming website well, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameFAQs . Notice that a lot of sources are cited, including reputable third-party sources such as Ars Technica, The Guardian, Entertainment Weekly, and an IEEE paper.

In short, articles on web content should be citing multiple independent third-party reliable sources; those that don't can be deleted, in some cases immediately (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion). Yes, there are other articles that currently don't meet these guidelines, but every article is judged on its own merits, so sooner or later matters will likely be addressed.

Intending to use Wikipedia as a vehicle for recruiting new members would violate Wikipedia conflict of interest guideline (since you will be at odds with Wikipedia's goal of creating a neutral encyclopedia). Consider an article only if you are willing to put in the effort to look for genuine third-party sources and write from a neutral point of view. Looking for sources can be time-consuming.

If you can't find good third-party sources, don't create the article now. Wait until they can be found. To do otherwise will harbor the ill will of the Wikipedia community and can possibly make it harder to reinstate a proper article down the road (Wikipedia maintains blacklists). Many experienced members of Wikipedia are well attuned to these sorts of issues through past experience.

I know that this all sounds negative, but I've seen (and had to delete) many articles that didn't conform to Wikipedia's inclusion and content policies, and, frankly, I'd hate to see time and energy wasted on an article that doesn't end up sticking.

I greatly respect the theory of wikipedia, and rest assured, I wouldn't sully it by throwing up a page that says "lolz x360a is the shittt go there now, put marx0r as your refferrer. :uzi::uzi:"

Hyperbole aside, I understand I sort of came off as my sole intention was to get members. That's not true. I just thought, as the flagship site for the gamerscorewhore community, which claims tens of thousands of members, we needed to hit a few benchmarks, a wikipedia page being one of them.

When I first came here, I actually looked the site up on wikipedia to get acclimated, but to no avail. I've seen articles that had the "advertisement" header on them. (The one for the French Culinary Institute, for example) I'm not intending on making anything on that vein. I was planning on spending a month just getting references and third-party sites before I even got a skeleton together. I did do my homework on this, and I did notice that articles on websites had a lot of links.

If you still believe there's a risk of terms violation, I would have no problem with giving you a glimpse of the article as I/we write it.

TKD 117
01-18-2008, 09:23 AM
No problem. I just want to make sure things get done right and emphasize that good Wikipedia articles are a significant undertaking; many article attempts don't even understand basic concepts. Despite Wikipedia's growth rate, you'd be surprised at how often "delete" gets pressed. The GameFAQs article is probably your best/closest model in terms of ideas. Good luck. I don't need to preview stuff before it's submitted, but I'd be happy to answer any questions you have, especially on any vaguer concepts like what constitutes a reliable source, etc. (forums and personal blogs don't count).

P1NSEEKER
01-18-2008, 12:01 PM
Once upon a time the was a shire named xbox360achievements.com one day the lord of the shire did disappear never to be seen again. The people of the now desolate shire became restless at the slowly stagnating, never updated nature of its untilled fields and pastures.

So a band of noblemen did set forth to create a new, tyranny free home of all things achievements.

And the rest is history. :D

Asian47
01-18-2008, 05:06 PM
Once upon a time the was a shire named xbox360achievements.com one day the lord of the shire did disappear never to be seen again. The people of the now desolate shire became restless at the slowly stagnating, never updated nature of its untilled fields and pastures.

So a band of noblemen did set forth to create a new, tyranny free home of all things achievements.

And the rest is history. :D

Damnit, I don't live in New Zealand....... :(

Laufton_13
01-22-2008, 01:15 AM
Nice Idea I love reading random articles on Wiki and this would be a good read

Zef
01-22-2008, 12:44 PM
So a band of noblemen did set forth to create a new, tyranny free home of all things achievements.

And the rest is history. :D

Tyranny free until Dark Lord Munty corrupted the lands with stale mead and loose-frocked wenches. All quivered in fear until the bold Sir Flibble of Buttkick rode forth and slew the foul Admin, saving the verdant achievement pastures from the fiendish claw of Southerners.

That would make it much more accurate and up-to-date. x360a version of Lord of the Rings anyone?