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Ultra_extreme
10-12-2008, 02:06 PM
Look, theres too much jealousy going on around here. We're all gamers and what matters is the games, not whose got what and when. So lets talk games, and lets talk fallout 3.

First let me assure you this game is goooood, its good with a capital GOOOOD, and this is coming from the guy who got flamed for calling GTA 4 'weak and buggy' a week prior to release.

The graphical quality of the game will not strike you right away, in fact the game begins quite indistinctly. Not poorly at all but theres no in-your-face brilliance to it. Its upon your exit of the vault that things become, breathtaking.

Im sure im not the only one who clearly remembers watching trailers for TES:Oblivion over the years leading up to its multi platform release, and thinking : "That CANT be done this generation!" only to be pleasently surprised by one of the most beautiful technological displays in the history of gaming (im sure the crysis fanboys will be all over that). But the oblivion environment was a little over ambitious. The flora and fauna and expansive forests were a little much for current technology and the experience, although sublime, was somewhat tainted by nasty pop up, fade in, and a fog you could lose a radioactive granny in. Falloutallows this engine to flex its true potential.

Un hampered in the post modernist industrial wastelands by such frivolities as wavering grass and bushy hillsides. The fururistc apocalyptical vision stretches before you as far as the eye can see. Buildings visible from mountainsides at 2000yards, creatures hovering, crawling, lurking and skulking about thethe rocky ledges and crevices, amongst the wreckage and husks of abandoned technologies, its quite the vista. Never could i use the word 'barren' so appropriately and incorrectly all at once, the landscape is the most beautifully barren slice of fantasy you could imagine. None of the usual polygonal, generic brown and grey repeating rocks (rock formation A,B and C, cut, paste, repeat, sell) to be seen, just hundreds of thousands of seemingly individually crafted outcroppings and crevices to explore and navigate.

The bump mapping and superlative lighting effects are used to great effect, creating in summary one of the most photo realistic yet solid and complete landscapes to grace a videogame. These visuals, in my opinion, will not be surpassed this generation, not on this scale at least.

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and as all fat single women are want to believe, the true beauty lies beneath the visceral exterior. Fallout 3 has a center much like a caramel filled chocolate, every bit as good as its shell. The gameplay is closing in on the perfect blend of action-RPG that so many have strived for in the past. Bethesda had the right idea with the launch of oblivion, make the combat realtime but the effects stat based, thus the 'hidden' stat was YOU the player and your ability to command your carachter. A huge leap from "press A to attack" followed by a string of calculations in the background deciding the outcome.

In FO3 this works better than ever, with projectile weapons bearing the focus of the combat system, this feels like how it's MEANT to be, its a bit difficult to get to grips with at first, you spend a lot of time missing, or using manual aim and blind firing. But once you get the hang of the superlative AP based combat system (triggered by a tap of RB near an opponent) the system really comes into its own. From this freeze-motion mode you can queue up actions for your carchter to play out, much like in Bioshocks Epic Mass Effect. However rather than squad actions and commands, here you can target parts of enemies (parts, limbs, brains, weapons etc) and queue up a stream of devestating shots against multiple enemies all played out in glorious slow-motion, i will honestly never tire of watching my cack handed carachter shoot a pistol bullet through the eye of a mercenary thug, accompanied by a cacophony of spurting blood. Nor will i bore of queueing up one bullet for each leg, dropping the enemy to his knees, followed by a final executing blow to the head. It makes you happy, in that special place.

The voice acting quality is second to none as we have come to expect from Beth, the carachter interaction will be familiar to any oblivion or even morrowind fans, the camera pans in on the face and expressions are clearly acted out in response to your choices. A lot of the general voices have been reused from the Oblivion cast, but this is no bad thing with most important conversations conveying the correct emotions and convictions that you would expect given the scenarios, there are also some wonderfully strange and demeted characters to discover on your travels, and each one begs your attention and interest.

I wont talk at all about the story as I know a lot of people will cry spoiler at even the vaguest mention of the plotline, but i will say it is engaging and thoroughly draws you in and makes you WANT to know the answer, not just complete the game for 1000GS. The side quests too seem well thought out and scripted, you feel like every quest, however small is a grand undertaking.

My one dislike in the game thus far, one i feel may hamper some peoples enjoyment, the inventory screens. These TINY menus are hosted on a device on your characters arm, the PIP-BOY3000. And they really are TINY and very faint. Now i dont have the worlds best eyesight, but i have a 42in 720p television with a great picture. And i sit just a coffee-tables distance from the TV and i CANT READ A SINGLE MENU CLEARLY! god knows what it would be like on an SD TV, remember dead rising? This is worse. And dont get me started on the computer hacking challenges which i basically had to put my nose up to the screen to decipher.

Nonetheless, this is a minor flaw in what is one of the most impressive games of recent times. I have played most games of note since the late 80's, which includes most of the best and most notorious offerings in videogame history. I can clearly see this game is a cut above, a whole SLICE above your average gaming fare. I for one would vote this GOTY without question and it deserves it, hats off to Bethsoft for their continued advancement of what was once a niche genre into the future of videogaming. That future, it seems, is a desolate, post apocalyptic wasteland, just like THEY always said it would be.

Happy Hunting!

ColossalKiller7
10-12-2008, 03:35 PM
Same.


Hahaha. I don't know what kind of response you want in followup of your review. But I can assure you I am just as excited as you.

kantizuni
10-12-2008, 04:01 PM
I am just as excited as you.

He's not excited. He stole the game, so he already has it.

That said, excellent writing, excellent review.

Outline
10-12-2008, 05:56 PM
I can't argue with this post whatsoever.


Good 'review', makes me plenty stoked on this game.

daenius
10-12-2008, 07:03 PM
"Review" makes me want this game so much more now.

Plus I gotta say you have serious balls.

"Reviewing" a clearly illegally aquired game in a forum where anybody could "rat you out" to microsoft requires a lot of balls!

not really a wise decision in my opinion :)

but thanks for sharing your impressions on the game!

kantizuni
10-12-2008, 08:04 PM
As i've said before.. I like these threads, because they show us who the thieves are.
They'll probably never get in trouble with The Law, but at least we know who they are, and they lose respect in our community.

daenius
10-13-2008, 11:14 AM
As i've said before.. I like these threads, because they show us who the thieves are.
They'll probably never get in trouble with The Law, but at least we know who they are, and they lose respect in our community.

I won't do it, but anybody on this forum could get them in trouble with the law.

you just have to give microsoft their gamertags and the rest will be done by them. probably they will give the information to Bethesda and they will sue him, so ergo he can be fu**ed like a mule by MS and Bethesda.

I'm not gonna do this because in my opinion he can do what he wants - if he thinks it's a wise decision to post something like this in a public 360 forum so be it.

M85A21
10-13-2008, 11:29 AM
Wow, all the finger pointing and nay saying is kinda gay. Grow the fuck up.
And thankl you for the review bro, makes me want to play this realy bad!!

checkahh
10-13-2008, 03:36 PM
Who cares what u think about some one?
Do u think he will be sad, because u loose respect for him in a forum??
You are just jealous kantizuni, stop crying like a little girl, just because u are too stupid to get things right.

Outline
10-13-2008, 03:49 PM
Lol german

Mustkill9
10-14-2008, 06:46 AM
Based on reading other threads and this one:

Is it easy to mess up in this game? It seems like to be really successful in this game, you need a complicated guide next to you while you're playing. Does it take away from gameplay, or do I have this all wrong?

I'm considering buying this game, but I want to make sure it's fun before I give it so many hours of my life. I'm just saying, I hate following maps and guides. I liked Oblivion, but there were things I never would have figured out without internet help.

Ultra_extreme
10-14-2008, 06:54 AM
Based on reading other threads and this one:

Is it easy to mess up in this game? It seems like to be really successful in this game, you need a complicated guide next to you while you're playing. Does it take away from gameplay, or do I have this all wrong?

I'm considering buying this game, but I want to make sure it's fun before I give it so many hours of my life. I'm just saying, I hate following maps and guides. I liked Oblivion, but there were things I never would have figured out without internet help.

Not really, i think it helps to know and understand the modern RPG. I mean the levelling and 'perk' system requires that you understand basic concepts of character type etc (ie not spreading your resources thin trying to be good at everything, focus on a few attributes depending on how you play) The game also requires that you dont play it with wreckless abandon, at least if you want to get everything out of the game.(otherwise you will kill-off or steal from important characters, making missions tough or impossible.

I'd never reccommend playing ANY game with a guide as it spoils the experience of ACTUALLY PLAYING. The bobbleheads however may require a guide but do that on the second playthrough or if possible at an earlier save point (i dont yet know if any bobleheads are mission specific, ie in locales that can only be accessed on missions, having said which, now i think about it i think all locations regaurdless are accessible as and when.

exo-apollo
10-14-2008, 08:07 AM
Excellent, thanks for letting us know that this game is gonna be awesome, although I never doubted Bethesda, they are weavers of gaming gold. So the atmosphere in this game is spot on is it? Because that is what I hanker the most, great atmosphere that really immerses you in the gameworld. Oblivion had it, raiding dank dungeons in the middle of the day and then returning to the surface world during the night, when the stars are out and its all eery and quiet.

Yemeth
10-15-2008, 08:59 PM
Great review!

Ignore all the haters, they're just jealous they dont have access to the game as early as you. Its funny how they act like they have a business stake in Microsoft or Bethesda. Whatever you do is not for me or anyone else to judge on these forums except for those of authority.

kantizuni and the 'others' are just petty cry babies.

Warbo
10-16-2008, 12:22 PM
Excellent review, just the kind of comments I wanna here about this game really looking forward to this...:)

jwmc1971
10-16-2008, 12:47 PM
just dont delete saves. when you done youll have around 3 gigs or so ( if you save like me ) . then you can replay anything to get good/bad achevs. no guide needed , really .

Ray5555
10-17-2008, 07:03 AM
Great review!

Ignore all the haters, they're just jealous they dont have access to the game as early as you. Its funny how they act like they have a business stake in Microsoft or Bethesda. Whatever you do is not for me or anyone else to judge on these forums except for those of authority.

kantizuni and the 'others' are just petty cry babies.

Funny you should say that, cause I got 1,000 shares in microsoft stock. But I careless who pirates what. I mean what is done is done. I will just pick up my game on the 28th, like the majority of the people.

The people who get mad are the honest people that buy the game. I see their point, but whining about it won't do anything about the problem.

Blackjaw x
10-17-2008, 09:23 PM
16 inch SDTV. Won't be getting this game. Thanks for the heads up, I guess. :(

S1lent B Deadly
10-25-2008, 08:23 AM
great no spoiler review

ignore the cry babies

internet police trying to scold you for getting a game early

tattle tales deserve beatins

how were you raised to think the way you children do?

S1lent B Deadly
10-25-2008, 08:25 AM
I won't do it, but anybody on this forum could get them in trouble with the law.

you just have to give microsoft their gamertags and the rest will be done by them. probably they will give the information to Bethesda and they will sue him, so ergo he can be fu**ed like a mule by MS and Bethesda.

I'm not gonna do this because in my opinion he can do what he wants - if he thinks it's a wise decision to post something like this in a public 360 forum so be it.

wow
you're a cop
how do you look yourself in the mirror

DarkSpur5
10-25-2008, 12:19 PM
WHOA!?!? Cops are bad? Since when?

daenius
10-25-2008, 01:36 PM
wow
you're a cop
how do you look yourself in the mirror

hey, very mature and informative post, thank you :)

InkedUp
10-25-2008, 02:35 PM
Thanks for the great review, it makes me even more excited for the games release, if that is even possible. And don't worry about the cry babies, they have nothing better to do. I have never gotten a game early, but I'm not the type to start crying when someone else has

laundryman
10-25-2008, 03:46 PM
I play on a '19 inch LCD, but I sit kinda close so it should even out right? lol

Thanks for the spoiler free review man. I am STOKED for this game.

Spades68
10-25-2008, 11:27 PM
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Atarii
10-26-2008, 03:23 AM
tl;dr

I began to get jealous around the forth paragraph that you got to play it and I haven't yet :P

Aelarin
10-26-2008, 08:07 AM
PROTIP: Threatening to dob in another gamer for getting a game early doesn't make yours come any faster.

Jolly good show, chap! I like your review - reaffirmed me in saving my money for Fallout 3 and not giving into temptation and getting Fable II now.

Are the menus really that bad? I didn't find Dead Rising on an SDTV an impossible feat, so is what you mentioned in the review worse or better in comparison?

dbo99
10-26-2008, 11:11 AM
I have played this game and was really very disapointed, from the videoes i was expecting to play a cod style shooter but it isnt at all the only way to explain it is oblivion with guns, and i didnt like that either. So if like me you are expecting a shooter dont get it but if you liked oblivbion go for it.

S1lent B Deadly
10-26-2008, 11:42 AM
I have played this game and was really very disapointed, from the videoes i was expecting to play a cod style shooter but it isnt at all the only way to explain it is oblivion with guns, and i didnt like that either. So if like me you are expecting a shooter dont get it but if you liked oblivbion go for it.

this post here nearly gauruntees it's awesome

Atarii
10-26-2008, 03:34 PM
I have played this game and was really very disapointed, from the videoes i was expecting to play a cod style shooter but it isnt at all the only way to explain it is oblivion with guns, and i didnt like that either. So if like me you are expecting a shooter dont get it but if you liked oblivbion go for it.

you were expecting a CoD shooter.... gtfo

Yemeth
10-26-2008, 05:55 PM
I have played this game and was really very disapointed, from the videoes i was expecting to play a cod style shooter but it isnt at all the only way to explain it is oblivion with guns, and i didnt like that either. So if like me you are expecting a shooter dont get it but if you liked oblivbion go for it.

Where have you been in the last year or two? On Mars with your eyes shut and your fingers in your ears?

This is Fallout 3. Do your homework on a game before thinking of posting an impression that fails on so many levels.

Ry Fryy
10-26-2008, 09:02 PM
I really enjoyed reading this (been reading all the reviews/previews I can get my hands on), and have to say I think it's better than the OXM review. Thanks for sharing!

Shazaeomon
10-27-2008, 04:44 AM
I enjoyed the spoiler free review of the title minus a bit of misspelling. But aside from that, great job. It seems it is what I thought it would be and will continue with my purchase.

As for everyone else automatically assuming that he acquired his copy illegally, don't jump to conclusions. This sort of thing has happened many times with street dated games from various retail chains. I used to be employed by one such retail chain.

Mistakes happen, but I've seen on a more recent area, if it isn't a specialist store (like GameStop, GameCrazy and so on) the mistakes on street dated titles are a little more commonplace, like Wal*Mart to name one.

Sure the companies get in trouble for selling a particular title before actual public release date, but as said before, people make mistakes.

Good job on the review and happy gaming.

ryfry99
10-27-2008, 05:46 AM
You're getting this game too fry? I've been excited for this game for like a year.

Ry Fryy
10-27-2008, 07:58 PM
You're getting this game too fry? I've been excited for this game for like a year.
LOL, yeah man. I'm probably going to pick it up tonight at midnight, along with some Taco Bell.

MaL
10-27-2008, 08:23 PM
Why does everyone here thinks the person stole the game?
I have a local video game store that will sell games early all the time, once even two weeks out.

nykc
10-27-2008, 09:34 PM
I cannot wait to get this game tonight, thanks for the review.

ryfry99
10-28-2008, 03:21 AM
I could go for some taco bell right now lol I'm going to pick up my copy right after school and play it nonstop :)

Giblets 2000
11-03-2008, 11:46 AM
I've only been playing it for about 3 hours on and off and I'm not totally bowled over. Admittedly I'm still at the stage of really scraping around for weapons and often have to resort to setting about bad guys with a bat. Reminds me of the original resident evil where a lot of the time you had next to no ammo and a crappy gun.

Biggest moans are that the barren nature of the landscape makes travelling dull. The textures are pretty bad in places too, with blurring and pop-in occurring paricularly on walls, which also for some reason often have a strange shine to them like they've been laminated. Old cars look terrible. Also the character animations are really bad. Raiders run at you with frozen expressions like their faces are made of porcelain, with completely unnatural rigid upper bodies. Panning back to third-person view also reveals that your foot falls are completely unrelated to the terrain, causing you to float along the ground while your legs cycle to give the impression of walking. All in all the graphics remind me of the old PC game Kingpin YouTube - Kingpin Life of Crime

AI is not fantastic at times either. For instance you can go to Lock and Load in Paradise Falls, walk behind the desk to make the gun dealer turn around, crouch and slowly walk around the desk to the front and the dealer remains facing the wall like a naughty school child. You are then free to absolutely rob the gun shop blind, short of ripping up the floor boards. Also experienced raiders, ghouls and super mutants getting jammed on scenery a number of times and running on the spot. One super mutant was too big to get through a doorway so he just grunted and span in circles, allowing me to walk up to him and beat him to death without him reacting. There has also been a least one ragdoll glitch where as I walked down a corridor a skeleton in a cage in a room next door was sticking halfway through a wall spasaming - i'd previously taken out some mutants with a frag grenade in the room.

I'll keep going as I know I have to put in the hours to give it a proper chance, but first impressions can be important so the game is already at a disadvantage. Still, it might help towards GoW2 and COD:WAW with a trade-in.

Yakobpk
11-03-2008, 12:26 PM
Great review.

If you are having problems with seeing the small text. Change the pipboy colour to white. It stands out much more on the black background.
I don't have a HD tv so it was a bit of a pain till i changed the colour!!

This game is so addictive. It makes you want to do everything and anything. It's all good.

Tai_MT
11-03-2008, 01:55 PM
I would have to say that combat in this game is slightly disappointing... V.A.T.S. Is useful, but only so many actions before you have to "recharge", and in the meantime, you get pummeled to death or shot full of holes...

And enemies are likely too much to charge you and get too close to use a gun without V.A.T.S..

Is it too much to ask for a bit of realism injected into the combat? It should be easier to aim at enemies without the "turn based battle" enabled, especially at closer range.

The game is fun, but I'm nitpicking because things like this bug me... especially since they're done better in shooters.

Yes, this is an RPG shooter... But still it's an FPS, and when you break the FPS aspect and other games who came BEFORE this have done it better... You can do nothing but cringe in horror.

It is also amazing that a single headshot to an unarmored head doesn't always get a kill right away. What happened to that realism?

One of the other problems I seemed to have was the surfaces and corridors tended to be "copy+pasted" all through an environment. I never got lost in a cave once on Oblivion, but I got lost in the FIRST AREA of Fallout 3, during the escape. I actually had to pull up my map to see where I was going and what I hadn't explored. I found myself backtracking without realizing I was backtracking. And, I'm sorry to say, this is an indicator of VERY POOR level design.

I even got lost in the school near the first town you encounter. I couldn't find the staircases without the map, because every hallway looked the same, every dead end room looked the same... The only time I could figure out where I was, is when I stepped into a room that had a purpose... Like the supply closet.

I've never been so frustrated and annoyed with level design in my entire life!

But, aside from those major flaws, it's a pretty good and fun game. Granted, I only started playing a few days ago... But so far, it's neat and fun.

I just... find myself hating to go through any section where you navigate through a dungeon, because it's so easy to be lost. I also dread battle most of the time, because it feels EXTREMELY turn-based due to the lack of response and good fighting offered by the "FPS" aspect of the game. In fact, you find yourself not using the "FPS" portion much, or at all in the game. Instead, you'll choose to use the turn based portion, then run away until it recharges, because if you use the FPS stuff, there's not even a way to guarantee a hit on an enemy, even if they're right up in your face swinging away.

I dunno... In Oblivion the bow was more responsive, intuitive, and useful than half these guns are without V.A.T.S..

Or, am I the only one who legitimately has problems with these two factors?

Almighty Tubsta
11-03-2008, 02:08 PM
Havent had a problem with that yet, if I run out of V.A.T.S. i generally pull out my shotgun and BAM!! I don't miss from close range but if i'm further away I sometimes hide. Also, I find it easier to snipe properly, get better results.