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Steadysphere 11-04-2010 10:18 PM

List of Songs Helpful For Getting the 'HOPO-cidal Maniac' Achievement (WiP)
 
Please note this is work in progress. I do have a lot of DLC, and I'll add any songs I come across, but I can't remember every song with a lot of HO/POs, so rather than ranting at me to fix this, please just help me by informing me politely.

What is the HOPO-Cidal Maniac Achievement?
This achievement worth 25 gamerscore is for hitting a whopping 53,596 Hammer-ons and Pulloffs. You must not strum them for them to count, and it must be on guitar. Obviously this is a lot of work, but you can cut down some of your time by playing these songs, which have moderate to heavy use of HOPOs.

If a song is green like this, it is fairly easy even for players of lower skill.

If a song is orange like this, it means that a skilled player shouldn't break a sweat but if you are new to this game you may have trouble.

If a song is red like this, it means that you should take caution with these songs if you are an average player as they are difficult to even pass.

RB3 Songs
Everybody Wants to Rule the World
Break on Through (To the Other Side)
In The Meantime
Crosstown Traffic
Saturday's Alright For Fighting
Something Bigger, Something Brighter
Freebird
Rainbow in the Dark
Before I Forget
25 or 6 to 4
Jerry Was a Race Car Driver

DLC (Price)
Laid to Rest (160msp)
Chiron (160msp)
Less Talk More Rokk (80msp)
The Metal (160msp)
Bulletproof (160msp)
Inside the Fire (160msp)
Woman (160msp)
Hallowed Be Thy Name (160msp)
Love Spreads (160msp)
Guns of Summer (160msp)
Satch boogie (160msp)
Joker and the Thief (160msp)
YYZ (160msp)
Tha Shnizit (160msp)
Levitate (160msp)
Caprici Di Diablo (160msp)
Rude Mood (160msp)
Hanger 18 (160msp)
China Cat Sunflower (160msp)
My Last Words (160msp)
My Name is Jonas (160msp)
Blue Sky (160msp)
The Way that it Shows (160msp)
Synchronicity II (160msp)
Tuesday's Gone (160msp)
Godzilla (160msp)
Are You Dead Yet (160msp)
Waking the Demon (160msp)
Nightmare (A7X) (160msp)
Another Way to Die (160msp)
Aesthetics of Hate (160msp)
Hysteria (160msp)
Afterlife (160msp)
Lucretia (160msp)
The Entertainer (160msp)
Sweet Home Alabama (160msp)
Sleepwalker (160msp)
She's always a Woman (160msp)
Through the Fire and the Flames (160msp)
Check My Brain (160msp)
Landslide (160msp)
Made of Scars (160msp)
Gasoline (160msp)
Tweezer (160msp)
Stash (160msp)
Burn It To the Ground (160msp)
Walk (Pantera) (160msp)
Black (160msp)
Even Flow (160msp)
Do You Feel Like We Do (160msp)
Rattlesnake Shake (bordering on Red) (160msp)
Unholy Confessions (160msp)
Welcome to the Family (160msp)
Hypnotize (160msp)
Aerials (160msp)
Two Weeks (160msp)
The Trooper (160msp)
Giddy on Up (160msp)
Writing on the Walls (160msp)

RB2
Bodhisttva
Painkiller
Panic Attack
Alabama Getaway
Spirit in the Sky
Alive
Ramblin' Man
Shackler's Revenge

RB2 Free 20
Prequel to the Sequel
Like a Fool
I Wanna Be Your Man
Ashes to Fire

RB1
Green Grass and High Tides
Flirtin' With Disaster
Outside
Vasoline
Timmy and the Lords of the Underworld


Lego Rock Band
Dig
Grace

Rock Band Network (Price)
Push Push (Lady Lightning) (80msp)
Persistence of Vision (80msp)
Tripolette (160msp)
Laceration (80msp)
Modern Mathematics (80msp)
Guitar Sound
Guitars Sucks (160msp)
Betty and Me (160msp)
Special Effects (80msp)
We Collide (beginners may need no-fail for the intro) (160msp)
Dogs can Grow Beards All Over (160msp)
A Christmas Rock Medley (80msp)
Cameleon Carneval (160msp)
Veil of Illumination (Part 1) (160msp)
Veil of Illumination (Part 2) (160msp)
For The Love of God (160msp)
Hangman (80msp)
Obfusication (160msp)
Dreamchaser (160msp)
Henchman Ride (160msp)

Jester0700 11-04-2010 10:43 PM

"The Metal" and "Bulletproof" are good ones to.

blurbia 11-05-2010 01:32 AM

Yeah "The Metal", "Inside the Fire", and "Woman"

A CATSHOVEL 11-05-2010 03:15 AM

I'm not sure how much effort it would take, but it would be cool if you could add the song length to HOPO ratio for songs. I think "Hallowed Be Thy Name (Live)" by Iron Maiden has quite a few.

Steadysphere 11-05-2010 07:45 AM

Thanks for the suggestion guys, added them to the list. I haven't got time to work on it now, because I'm off to school in a few, but I'll get to work on adding ratios. I assume this is the kind of thing you mean...

GGaHT with a ratio of 11 (length) to about 8 (lots of hammer-ons in both of it's epic solos). I'd write it like this

11:8

psymatiq 11-05-2010 08:04 AM

Just play the game... got like 45 k atm and havent even focused on the cheevie.

Monstor 11-05-2010 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psymatiq (Post 3702780)
Just play the game... got like 45 k atm and havent even focused on the cheevie.

You come on an a website about achievements and say that.


Llama by Phish
Rainbow in the Dark by Dio

BigApple3AM 11-05-2010 08:29 AM

Bang Camaro - Push Push (Lady Lightning) 80 points

Tons of HOPOs, pretty easy to play on hard, and can be used for "Shameless Self-Promotion" cheeve.

psymatiq 11-05-2010 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monstor (Post 3702811)
You come on an a website about achievements and say that.


Llama by Phish
Rainbow in the Dark by Dio

cause ived focused on everything else and just came back to watch how far the hopo was and it was at 45 k. A full song of less talk more rokk gave me around 1 k ish hopos btw.. something close to that when i got 99% notes hit.

Hopo songs

Love spreads - DLC
Persistence of vision - RBN
Prequel to the Sequel - 20 FREE DLC
Tripolette - RBN
Guns of Summer - DLC
Satch boogie - DLC
Laceration - RBN

Shelton 11-05-2010 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadysphere (Post 3702734)
GGaHT with a ratio of 11 (length) to about 8 (lots of hammer-ons in both of it's epic solos). I'd write it like this

11:8

Just say how long the song is and how many hammer-ons/pull-offs there are in the song. I'm sure people will be able to figure out the average amount per minute, based on those figures. Unless they failed basic math...

Shaynringan 11-05-2010 04:40 PM

Does using the tiny buttons to play hopo in solos count as "not strumming"?

LeakyBung 11-05-2010 05:28 PM

DLC Hysteria by Muse 160msp. A lot of HOPO's in this song, especially on bass. I would venture to guess somewhere around 800 notes.

AlmightyZing 11-05-2010 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeakyBung (Post 3704031)
DLC Hysteria by Muse 160msp. A lot of HOPO's in this song, especially on bass. I would venture to guess somewhere around 800 notes.

hitting about 95% on bass gives you about 600 so that estimate isn't too far off. this is what i'll be doing to get mine.

Steadysphere 11-05-2010 06:16 PM

Hysteria on bass would be good, but it's under guitar goals so as far as I'm aware it can only be done on guitar. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Also, I have no clue if hammer-ons count if you use the solo buttons, I'm gonna research it and let you know.

As for the average ratio, it would be quite difficult to do if I have to count every hammer-on in a song because some of these songs I may not actually own, so how would i count it if I don't own it?

Have added all the suggestions above to this list.

Jester0700 11-05-2010 06:52 PM

Another good song for the achievment is "Joker and the thief." If your a skilled expert player then its a good pick, but it could be a challange at the first playthrough or two.

LeakyBung 11-05-2010 07:05 PM

Some more songs for guitar are:

RB2 Bodhisattva - Steely Dan
RB2 Pain Killer - Judas Preist


DLC YYZ - Rush

Steadysphere 11-05-2010 07:18 PM

Added the last three suggestions, and also added a colour code system to the list which ranks them on difficulty. See OP for details. Also can someone inform me what Laceration is like on guitar? I don't have that song myself.

Monstor 11-05-2010 07:25 PM

Here are a couple other good ones, I'll use your color system too!


Modern Mathematics - Terrorhorse RBN
Tha Shiznit - Snoop Dogg

Spade422 11-06-2010 07:00 AM

if you are really good (were talking like best of the best) and want to get this fast:

- Caprici Di Diablo (DLC - Yngwie Malmsteen's Rising Force)
- Rude Mood (DLC - Stevie Ray Vaughn)
- Hangar 18 (DLC - Megadeth)

i recommend no fail for any of these

Didi Mau 11-06-2010 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A CATSHOVEL (Post 3702172)
I'm not sure how much effort it would take, but it would be cool if you could add the song length to HOPO ratio for songs. I think "Hallowed Be Thy Name (Live)" by Iron Maiden has quite a few.

"Chiron" is 4:24 and gives an average of 800 HOPO's per run, though that's the only one I know specifically. I think it's safe to say that Less Talk More Rokk is the best song for this, as it's 4:59 and has about 1,000 HOPO's per run with an easy pattern for the fingers to play (it's also very cheap to buy at 80msp).

Random things to add from my experience with the achievement; I got 20,000 HOPO's from doing all the individual guitar goals and the Endless Setlist III, so you may as well do them first if you're a completionist. The achievement itself is actually very easy to get if you decide to grind the songs, playing a strong HOPO-based chart can get you the achievement in under six hours if you start from scratch and under 3.5 hours if you get the other guitar goals done before grinding. I relate it to the 10,000 scratches/5,000 crossfades in DJ Hero, it's a lot less daunting than it sounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by psymatiq (Post 3702780)
Just play the game... got like 45 k atm and havent even focused on the cheevie.

Not everyone enjoys playing the guitar, I certainly don't even though I'm well above average at it. I'll never have as much fun flailing fingers as I do hitting the crap out of my drums, so it's nice to just get these achievements out of the way fast.

Steadysphere 11-06-2010 09:33 AM

Added caprici, rude and hanger 18 to the list, and I also played levitate by I mother earth (metal pack exclusive) and that had quite a lot of hammer-ons in it, not too hard to play either though not as easy as Tears for Fears.

SebastianSB 11-06-2010 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadysphere (Post 3704187)
Hysteria on bass would be good, but it's under guitar goals so as far as I'm aware it can only be done on guitar. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Definitely true. You can't do any goals on the wrong instrument.

hartlesdalegend 11-06-2010 03:58 PM

Alabama getaway from RB2 has quite a few also and its very easy and quite short.

Falk3r 11-06-2010 04:17 PM

This list REALLY needs total song length and total possible HOPO's, otherwise it's just a bunch of speculation as far as I'm concerned.

SebastianSB 11-06-2010 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falk3r (Post 3707109)
This list REALLY needs total song length and total possible HOPO's, otherwise it's just a bunch of speculation as far as I'm concerned.

I hereby volunteer you to watch every single guitar chart on the list and count every single one of the thousands of HO/POs yourself.

Personally, I'm just going to play them all (that I have) and see how close I am by then.

A CATSHOVEL 11-06-2010 05:23 PM

Rock Band 3 Disc Songs:
Break On Through (To the Otherside): 152, 2:29
In the Meantime: 196 HOPOs, 5:05
Crosstown Traffic: 165 HOPOs, 2:27
Something Bigger, Something Brighter: 717 HOPOs, 5:19

DLC:
Inside the Fire: ~ 530 - 550, 3:50
Hallowed Be Thy Name: ~850, 7:52

SebastianSB 11-06-2010 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A CATSHOVEL (Post 3707301)
I hit 797 HOPOs in Hallowed Be Thy Name; I'd estimate that it has around 850 total. I'm not sure about the Live version, but the studio version of the song is 7:12 (I'm assuming that the Live version is longer). It definitely isn't the most efficient song, but it is fun. You can probably delete it if the list gets too long.

You can view the length of any song in Rock Band 3 by hitting the additional details button. (yellow on guitar)

A CATSHOVEL 11-06-2010 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SebastianSB (Post 3707394)
You can view the length of any song in Rock Band 3 by hitting the additional details button. (yellow on guitar)

Oh, really?

Spade422 11-06-2010 10:05 PM

song: everybody wants to rule the world
song length: 251 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 312
average HOPOs hit per second: 1.243

song: break on through to the other side
song length: 147 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 151
average HOPOs hit per second: 1.027

song: in the meantime
song length: 298 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 191
average HOPOs hit per second: 0.641

song: crosstown traffic
song length: 146 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 157
average HOPOs hit per second: 1.075

song: saturday night's alright for fighting
song length: 305 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: need link for guitar chart
average HOPOs hit per second: need link for guitar chart

song: something bigger, something brighter
song length: 315
possible HOPOs on expert: 671
average HOPOs hit per second: 2.130

song: freebird
song length: 578 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 1169
average HOPOs hit per second: 2.022

song: llama
song length: 212 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 226
average HOPOs hit per second: 1.066

song: rainbow in the dark
song length: 255 seconds
possible HOPOs on expert: 683
average HOPOs hit per second: 2.678

NOTES:
- this was manually counted, so there may be SLIGHT errors
- i did not base time on the in game information, so it might be slightly off
- just because an average HOPO p/s count is higher does not mean its a better song for the achievement.

Steadysphere 11-07-2010 10:37 AM

Firstly, thanks to the guys who have started to work on the ratios for these songs. I appreciate it greatly ;)

I will work on these myself, but obviously it's gonna take some work. I'm not going to be adding adding any more songs to the list until I can get on top of adding the ratios so give it some time. Any help in this will be appreciated. Speaking of which, can anyone help me with the ratios for 'Modern Mathmatics' and 'Tha Shnizit' as I do not own either of those songs? Thanks in advance.


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