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Gackt 10-12-2011 05:37 PM

Playing w/friends.
 
Here is how it works for those still not clear.

Here is a link to a level calculator.
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/...nge+Calculator

Level gap between characters is 10 + 10%
You NEED to be Human to summon others and make sure you sign is not down while looking for others or they will not appear.
If you are looking to be summoned yourself, you don't have to be human...dead players can be summoned.

If you want to play with a friend, whoever is the one who is summoning phantoms into his world can not have defeated the area Boss.

Simply put down your sign to be summoned, if you are in private chat with your friend this can work better. You keep putting the sign down until it appears for your friend (should be fairly instant depending on your ping)

Seeing different msg signs all over the ground does not mean you are on different servers and can not play together, it does not work that way...what happens is each time you put down your sign it is putting it on servers that are visible to other players on other servers, keep doing it and it will eventually show up for your friend.
Tried this a few times with my brother and it worked very well on multiple occasions.

You can play with people who are on New Game+ even if you are not.
(Thanks to Auburok for this information!)


Hope this is helpful :)

Edit:
Seems like the game is set up on several server clusters. What that means for playing with your friends is, they need to be on the same one as you to even have a chance to see your summon sign. How it picks what server you are on is beyond me, quitting out and reloading MAY cycle you to a different set of servers I am not 100% on that though. Easy way to tell if you are on the same server as your buddies is, wait around the same area for a few moments and you will see a phantom of them. If you can see them, you are on the same server and should have few issues summoning.


EDIT:
Ok after some more testing, sometimes the sign will not ALWAYS show up right away. But if you find an area to play with your friend what you can do is put the sign down for 1 minute, if it does not show...repeat until it does. Doing it this way I was able to play almost every area with my brother so far.
Re-edit: This doesn't seem to really apply anymore since the update, much easier to find your friends.

After helping people with bosses and asking them what level they were, I can now definitely confirm that the level gap is at least 10. Not 10%
Edit: (Plenty of people including myself have been playing with others far beyond 10 levels apart from each other, at one point I summoned a guy into my game who was level 427...I was level 12. (This was before any patches, I have not played since then so I don't know if it's still broken like that or not)

Note: PRIVATE CHAT works, and will not kick you back to the dashboard.
PARTY CHAT WILL KICK YOU.


I will continue to update this if things change or new info gets confirmed. If you have confirmed information that differs from what I have please msg me and I will update this post! :)

locoloco 10-12-2011 06:28 PM

Thanks, I'll try this out later. Hopefully, everything you said is true because it would be great to actually get to play with friends.

Raesvelgr 10-12-2011 06:31 PM

I can confirm this works, as I was the one you played with. :)

Also being in the same Covenant may help you find each other better.

HeavenSoldier 10-12-2011 07:33 PM

Wait...does private chat allow you to remain online? Every time I go into party chat, it bumps me into offline mode.

Raesvelgr 10-12-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenSoldier (Post 4580282)
Wait...does private chat allow you to remain online? Every time I go into party chat, it bumps me into offline mode.

Correct, Private chat works, Party does not.

locoloco 10-13-2011 08:56 AM

Shameless bump from me; I think it's really useful information to people who want to get summoned or play with friends.

Crinkstar 10-13-2011 08:58 AM

So the level gap is definitely 10 souls? There has been a lot of confusion between it being 10 soul levels or 10%.

My friend and I will check this out later today and see how it goes.

mattcrossUNC 10-13-2011 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Crinkstar (Post 4582074)
So the level gap is definitely 10 souls? There has been a lot of confusion between it being 10 soul levels or 10%.

My friend and I will check this out later today and see how it goes.

The guide and wiki information says 10%, but from experience I can tell you that this is not a strict rule. I just summoned someone to help with my first run at the gaping dragon, and the guy had crazy advanced equipment. His achievement list also showed that he was at the end of the game, so surely higher than 10 or 10% of my level 32.

Strid 10-13-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mattcrossUNC (Post 4582104)
The guide and wiki information says 10%, but from experience I can tell you that this is not a strict rule. I just summoned someone to help with my first run at the gaping dragon, and the guy had crazy advanced equipment. His achievement list also showed that he was at the end of the game, so surely higher than 10 or 10% of my level 32.

The guide (Future Press, which is pretty much a direct translation of the Japanese "complete" guide) actually says 10 Soul Levels, not 10%. I've also seen it go above 10 as well so I think the calculation is the same as Demon's souls which is: Host Soul level +/- (Host Soul Level * .1) + 10.

As for the "good" of this information; it's as I've said all along, same for the level function not being, well not a function at all, but a measly 10%. This will work, but it will take some time in most cases. I'll just start PMing Gackt, so he can report it, every time I try to tell you knuckleheads how it is -.-

Steel2040 10-13-2011 12:52 PM

This is good to know means I can finnaly bang out those sun medals

locoloco 10-13-2011 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Strid (Post 4582191)
The guide (Future Press, which is pretty much a direct translation of the Japanese "complete" guide) actually says 10 Soul Levels, not 10%. I've also seen it go above 10 as well so I think the calculation is the same as Demon's souls which is: Host Soul level +/- (Host Soul Level * .1) + 10.

As for the "good" of this information; it's as I've said all along, same for the level function not being, well not a function at all, but a measly 10%. This will work, but it will take some time in most cases. I'll just start PMing Gackt, so he can report it, every time I try to tell you knuckleheads how it is -.-

First off, I would like to thank anyone who gives up information to help others on this site. I lol'd @ "every time I try to tell you knuckleheads how it is -.-" because I remember seeing that in the multiplayer thread, I believe.

Even when all the information you present is correct, people would struggle to believe it when it goes against what everyone else says. That's when you need to demonstrate you're process and explain how you discovered your results. Simply telling someone they're wrong and then reiterating the same message won't change peoples minds.

I had this problem in a different game before. The spawning/looting method is different in the game and no one would believe me because it was unlike most other games. I had taken my time to carefully explain how the true system worked; I was 100% correct in the matter as well. I stopped everything I was doing to inform this individual, gifted them with my time and knowledge. After I finished the description with examples that took me a 5+ minutes to convey, his first words were,"wat's ur source?". I was slightly appalled; him asking this simply informed me that he didn't believe what I had carefully taken time to tell him. My source, of course, was me and I had carefully tested my theory over a few years when I played shortly each time; the information would be out there to prove me correct. However, at this point I was offended that this was his only response, and furthermore he became completely ungrateful when I mentioned I wouldn't take more of my time to browse and post a link for him.

Yes, this is the internet and people are trolls at time.

The best advice I can give from the above is to simply state the advice/information and not struggle with other ideas that appear in the thread. If you attempt to force the idea onto someone, they definitely won't believe it.

Strid 10-13-2011 09:24 PM

The only data I had to offer as example was collected by me in the game. I had once explained that I had summoned a friend (which took a long time) who was under 10% of my level. However, it's the internet, I didn't have any way to disarm the "LOLZ pikz r et dndt happn!" crowd, which suffice to say seemingly doesn't exist here beyond the day 2-3 trolls that have long since gone. Anyway, since I didn't have any proof I just brought it up once and let it go, I figured you guys would eventually figure it out on your own. That or, enough people would bring it up and, well, boom.

All is well that ends well, I'm just glad no one around here seems to want to pick fights. We may have varying opinions and thoughts about how things actually are, but we aren't having to fight to carry on. Good stuff.

Gackt 10-15-2011 03:19 PM

Bumping this because it's getting buried and I think it is useful info for those who want to play together! :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Crinkstar (Post 4582074)
So the level gap is definitely 10 souls? There has been a lot of confusion between it being 10 soul levels or 10%.

My friend and I will check this out later today and see how it goes.

Yes. I have a character I leave at level 20 so I can help people defeat the bell tower gargoyles. Most of them when I ask have been level 10.

J4ckyb0y1 10-15-2011 06:16 PM

@Gackt: How close is your brother to you that you tested this with?

Curious how the servers work and are located. Could someone from the UK and USA pull this off or are the way the servers are setup make this impossible?

locoloco 10-15-2011 07:20 PM

Glad to see this information was stickied; it's originally what I was hoping when I kept bumping it.

llll epic llll 10-15-2011 08:16 PM

This isn't working for me and my friend. I am guessing this is because were on different servers? He is seeing different "messages" on the ground than me. I have put down the stone like 30 times and wait a minute, but it never shows up in my friends game. Any help???

Gackt 10-16-2011 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by J4ckyb0y1 (Post 4589794)
@Gackt: How close is your brother to you that you tested this with?

Curious how the servers work and are located. Could someone from the UK and USA pull this off or are the way the servers are setup make this impossible?

My brother was level 10 and I was level 20. Also just did it at levels 30 and 20.
As for the servers, I have no idea how they work, I am fairly sure we can not play with Asia, they have their own. But Europe and North America can play together, I have played with a few Europeans so far(I am in America/East Coast) So yes, USA & UK should have no issues playing together.

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Originally Posted by llll epic llll (Post 4590143)
This isn't working for me and my friend. I am guessing this is because were on different servers? He is seeing different "messages" on the ground than me. I have put down the stone like 30 times and wait a minute, but it never shows up in my friends game. Any help???

Make sure you are within 10 levels of each other. If you are both in the Way of White covenant...it makes it easier to find each other, but not required.
Also, make sure the area boss is not dead on the person who is doing the summoning, or it wont work.
Different messages do not matter, those seem to cycle through different servers.
Try waiting longer on your summon sign, sometimes it takes a bit longer to show up, if after a few minutes it doesnt work...put it down again and wait. I know that is a pain in the ass but it has worked for me so far. Goodluck :)

J4ckyb0y1 10-16-2011 11:20 AM

Hehe, when I asked how close your brother was, I meant distance not levels :)

I'm on the west coast. Going to try to pull this off with someone in Scotland.

Gackt 10-16-2011 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by J4ckyb0y1 (Post 4591914)
Hehe, when I asked how close your brother was, I meant distance not levels :)

I'm on the west coast. Going to try to pull this off with someone in Scotland.

Oh, we live together so...5 feet? lol. Both of our consoles are in our gaming room so that may help in us finding each other so quick/easily.
BUT I know it can work for different countries so, just keep at it and you will get it to work I am sure :)

Auburok 10-16-2011 09:04 PM

Does this work for cross-playthrough play? Such as if someone is on playthrough 1, and someone is on playthrough 2, so long as they are within 10 levels of each other?

Can't seem to get this to work. Wonder if other things are taken in to account?

EDIT:

Nevermind, got it to work. You can play with players that are in different playthroughs on their difficulty, naturally. This means you can hang out in your first playthrough in areas you're much too strong to be in (like 80-100 soul level at the Capra Demon boss) and help people that are on their second playthrough.

IDiivil 10-16-2011 11:14 PM

Thank you so much for posting this, Gackt. It's so nice to finally be able to play with Auburok <3

Gackt 10-17-2011 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Auburok (Post 4593230)
Does this work for cross-playthrough play? Such as if someone is on playthrough 1, and someone is on playthrough 2, so long as they are within 10 levels of each other?

Can't seem to get this to work. Wonder if other things are taken in to account?

EDIT:

Nevermind, got it to work. You can play with players that are in different playthroughs on their difficulty, naturally. This means you can hang out in your first playthrough in areas you're much too strong to be in (like 80-100 soul level at the Capra Demon boss) and help people that are on their second playthrough.

Nice! I added it to the original post and credited you.

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Originally Posted by IDiivil (Post 4593539)
Thank you so much for posting this, Gackt. It's so nice to finally be able to play with Auburok <3

lol no problem :D

Crinkstar 10-17-2011 01:30 PM

I can confirm that this method is working fine for myself and a friend. The first couple of times it took about 10-15 minutes before my summoning sign would show up (with a refresh of the sign after about 10 seconds each time), after we played together a few times though the sign would show up after a few tries and we have had no trouble playing together.

The only issue we had was an invader entered my friends world whilst I was a phantom and the invader could not see me nor could I see the invader, he passed through me apparently as if I wasn't even there, so there are still definitely some kinks to be worked out but so far, so good.

Auburok 10-17-2011 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Crinkstar (Post 4595124)
I can confirm that this method is working fine for myself and a friend. The first couple of times it took about 10-15 minutes before my summoning sign would show up (with a refresh of the sign after about 10 seconds each time), after we played together a few times though the sign would show up after a few tries and we have had no trouble playing together.

The only issue we had was an invader entered my friends world whilst I was a phantom and the invader could not see me nor could I see the invader, he passed through me apparently as if I wasn't even there, so there are still definitely some kinks to be worked out but so far, so good.

We had something like that, but with normal enemies. In Sen's Fortress, IDiivil saw two snake people, and I saw two corpses. I just stabbed the air until I hit something. Hasn't happened since, though.

softerxsin495 10-18-2011 12:07 AM

Great thread, this is good to know. My friend rented himself a copy of the game, as well as one for me, thinking it was co-op, kind of like borderlands, and we couldn't figure out why we couldn't get multiplayer to work. Well, this explains everything haha. It's kind of a shame you can't pick who to summon :/. Ah well, hopefully we get lucky and can summon one another. Again, thanks for the info!

Also, do you happen to know why you can't be in party chat while playing? I remember I created my character, and I happened to be in a party, and after getting everything perfect, I started up the game, and once the cinematics were over it booted me to the title screen, not saving any of the character customizations I spent forever doing D:

Auburok 10-18-2011 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by softerxsin495 (Post 4597009)
Also, do you happen to know why you can't be in party chat while playing? I remember I created my character, and I happened to be in a party, and after getting everything perfect, I started up the game, and once the cinematics were over it booted me to the title screen, not saving any of the character customizations I spent forever doing D:

Well, there's no voice chat in the game at all, even when you join random players. Party chat is a really easy way to bypass that, but it's an option a developer can disable or integrate in to the game as they please. Private chat, AKA the old ass chat we had to rely on before NXE, still works and was either oversight, or something they couldn't disable or have the game sense that it was active. I could be wrong, and that might get patched.

I think it's meant to give the experience a more unknown feeling, which, well, is easily done by the single player game, especially when you get invaded by someone you don't know. Not sure why there's no in-game way to communicate to players "I need to kill Ornstein last, please", though. I've been messaged by players in game using "last played with" tab of the blade menu regardless.

softerxsin495 10-18-2011 12:36 AM

Ahhhhh I see. Okay, thanks for the clarification! I was just curious, having never seen that in a game before. [:

IDiivil 10-18-2011 07:34 AM

Spent five hours with Auburok today trying to connect with him... for some reason, despite us sitting next to each other, NOTHING would work. He saw my summon signal once, and it failed :S

Are the servers messed up or something?

Gackt 10-18-2011 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IDiivil (Post 4597830)
Spent five hours with Auburok today trying to connect with him... for some reason, despite us sitting next to each other, NOTHING would work. He saw my summon signal once, and it failed :S

Are the servers messed up or something?

Have had the same issues on and off for the past 2 days so yes...I believe it is just server issues. Hopefully the patch comes soon and addresses a lot of these problems.

IDiivil 10-18-2011 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gackt (Post 4599213)
Have had the same issues on and off for the past 2 days so yes...I believe it is just server issues. Hopefully the patch comes soon and addresses a lot of these problems.

Yeah... being human and running around Anor Londo showed zero for summon signs as well, and what little I saw ended up failing. Damn shame. It worked totally fine two nights ago for us :(

NEED PATCH.


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