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xXmyxxmastaXx 09-20-2012 08:04 AM

Halo 4 LE/ War Games Confusions
 
What we thought- LE gets you Recruit armor/skin
Fact- Recruit armor will be available to everyone.

from bsangel community manager @343 " Recruit armor is not an LE exclusive. LE gets the Recruit Prime skin. You get the base Recruit armor the first time you enter Infinity and your Spartan is created.

Many apologies for the confusion."

What we thought- the LE would give us the same War Games pass as those who bought it from XBL marketplace
Fact- exept that if you get the LE you wont receive the Falcon emblem, Scanner, and falcon helmets.

http://blogs.halo.xbox.com/Headlines...in-91912-.aspx

this is a huge cluster of bs as completionists as my self who want the helmets would have to buy the Pass seperately, seems like money whoring to me. And the value of the LE is diminished, and who cares about Avatar stuff? am i angry, dissapointed? yes but that wont stop H4 from being awesome. And please dont leave comments like "who cares its just skins" as since i am spending more i would like to get something special and get the same as others, with the physical goodies just there to collect dust.

If we are paying MORE than why are we getting LESS

http://i50.tinypic.com/2wgfxoi.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2wnu0d2.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/64e2xz.jpg

OceanH 09-20-2012 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXmyxxmastaXx (Post 5281632)
What we thought- LE gets you Recruit armor/skin
Fact- Recruit armor will be available to everyone.

from bsangel community manager @343 " Recruit armor is not an LE exclusive. LE gets the Recruit Prime skin. You get the base Recruit armor the first time you enter Infinity and your Spartan is created.

Many apologies for the confusion."

What we thought- the LE would give us the same War Games pass as those who bought it from XBL marketplace
Fact- exept that if you get the LE you wont receive the Falcon emblem, Scanner, and falcon helmets.

http://blogs.halo.xbox.com/Headlines...in-91912-.aspx

this is a huge cluster of bs as completionists as my self who want the helmets would have to buy the Pass seperately, seems like money whoring to me. And the value of the LE is diminished, and who cares about Avatar stuff? am i angry, dissapointed? yes but that wont stop H4 from being awesome. And please dont leave comments like "who cares its just skins" as since i am spending more i would like to get something special and get the same as others, with the physical goodies just there to collect dust.

If we are paying MORE than why are we getting LESS

http://i50.tinypic.com/2wgfxoi.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2wnu0d2.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/64e2xz.jpg

This is seriously bullshit as hell and I pre-ordered the Limited Edition.

n1ck3sixty 09-20-2012 12:07 PM

Seriously hope this is mistake within a mistake......
I would expect this from Activision or EA , not 343 :(
Was really looking forward to the Scanner helm, and am certainly not shelling out for another pass just for the helmet...

Wallbanger 09-20-2012 12:17 PM

In the weekly update it doesn't strictly state that the L.E. won't come with the war games pass extras. All it states us that it has the pass wich I would assume would be a code for the same download as the market place including the extras.

Veedrock 09-20-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXmyxxmastaXx (Post 5281632)
What we thought- LE gets you Recruit armor/skin
Fact- Recruit armor will be available to everyone.

from bsangel community manager @343 " Recruit armor is not an LE exclusive. LE gets the Recruit Prime skin. You get the base Recruit armor the first time you enter Infinity and your Spartan is created.

Many apologies for the confusion."

Fact- You're still getting more. You get a skin that regular users won't have.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXmyxxmastaXx (Post 5281632)
What we thought- the LE would give us the same War Games pass as those who bought it from XBL marketplace
Fact- exept that if you get the LE you wont receive the Falcon emblem, Scanner, and falcon helmets.

What? Why do you even think this? The blog link you posted shows this:

http://i.imgur.com/8nzvY.png

Chances are when it says "War Games Map Pass," it means it comes with the War Games Map Pass, which would include everything listed under War Games Map Pass:

http://i.imgur.com/UUSRg.png

If you honestly think it's not coming with the armor pieces because it doesn't explicitly state that it comes with them under the LE section, then you may as well panic because it doesn't explicitly state that it comes with the maps either!

Quote:

Originally Posted by OceanH (Post 5281643)
This is seriously bullshit as hell and I pre-ordered the Limited Edition.

Hey buddy next time you feel compelled to add a single line to a topic can you at least not quote a long ass post, large ass pictures included? There's no reason we should have to scroll through all of that twice. Thanks.

RBmaster9345 09-20-2012 02:49 PM

I STILL cant tell what content comes from where. So far I think they've done a shitty job making that all clear. Or they purposely kept on the confusion to fuck with us

Ty-Rex 09-20-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RBmaster9345 (Post 5282033)
I STILL cant tell what content comes from where. So far I think they've done a shitty job making that all clear. Or they purposely kept on the confusion to fuck with us

I'm still not even sure at this point if Halo 4 comes with the Limited Edition.

Edit: From Amazon:


Product Features

Edition: Limited Edition
  • War Games Map Packs: The Limited Edition includes access to nine maps - three future competitive multiplayer map packs, each including three locations, available for download post-launch on Xbox LIVE.
  • Bonus digital content through Xbox LIVE: Unique in-game Spartan IV armor skin, unique in-game weapon skin for the Assault Rifle, an exclusive in-game emblem, Xbox LIVE Avatar prop, and Xbox LIVE Avatar Spartan IV armor set (requires Xbox LIVE Gold Membership that is sold separately).
  • Specializations: Receive early access to six Specializations, available at launch on Xbox LIVE, and use them, one at a time, to achieve higher ranks in your Spartan career. In addition to gaining access to new ranks, Specializations unlock new customization options.
  • The Special Edition of Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn, a 90-minute extended version of the live-action digital series which will take fans back to the terrifying beginning of the Human/Covenant war, when the Master Chief inspired a young cadet who would eventually become a leader aboard the UNSC's greatest vessel ever: the UNSC Infinity.
  • The UNSC Infinity Briefing Packet includes a Spartan armor customization schematic, information about UNSC weapons, and an introduction to the massive ship UNSC Infinity.


At no point does it mention it actually comes with the game.

CONS? PIRACY?

Snowed 09-20-2012 04:24 PM

The game is not included with LE. 343 is evil.

By the way - 343 does not choose what's included in the LE or its pricing. They're told to make something special which is cheap (ie, a skin). That's it.

MixMaker1 09-20-2012 04:38 PM

Unfortunately pre-order exclusives are nothing new to the industry. I feel like Halo 4 really went all out as Microsoft has so damn many, it'll be expensive to collect everything. :(

That being said, I'm going with the LE day 1. No doubt.

Darkforce412 09-20-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXmyxxmastaXx (Post 5281632)
What we thought- LE gets you Recruit armor/skin
Fact- Recruit armor will be available to everyone.

from bsangel community manager @343 " Recruit armor is not an LE exclusive. LE gets the Recruit Prime skin. You get the base Recruit armor the first time you enter Infinity and your Spartan is created.

Many apologies for the confusion."

What we thought- the LE would give us the same War Games pass as those who bought it from XBL marketplace
Fact- exept that if you get the LE you wont receive the Falcon emblem, Scanner, and falcon helmets.

http://blogs.halo.xbox.com/Headlines...in-91912-.aspx

this is a huge cluster of bs as completionists as my self who want the helmets would have to buy the Pass seperately, seems like money whoring to me. And the value of the LE is diminished, and who cares about Avatar stuff? am i angry, dissapointed? yes but that wont stop H4 from being awesome. And please dont leave comments like "who cares its just skins" as since i am spending more i would like to get something special and get the same as others, with the physical goodies just there to collect dust.

If we are paying MORE than why are we getting LESS

http://i50.tinypic.com/2wgfxoi.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/2wnu0d2.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/64e2xz.jpg


lol the second helmet looks like a DVD player lol

niko da bos 09-20-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkforce412 (Post 5282320)
lol the second helmet looks like a DVD player lol

ya.. not gonna lie, those helmets look damn hideous. maybe im just a simple type, but i loved the original helmets and designs (or lack there of). all these tacky helmets look goofy to me, i have a feeling all those fuglies from halo reach will be back:(

or maybe i can wear H3 recon, or my hayabusa again? :eek::eek:
hehe

Vectorman953 09-20-2012 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkforce412 (Post 5282320)
lol the second helmet looks like a DVD player lol

I like it, but then again I always like the really strange helmets. Security in Halo 3 and GUNGNIR in Reach.



OT: You guys really need to stop overthinking this.
When you buy the LE, you get a code (war games pass) that acts like a season pass. You're entering in the 25-digit number, and the marketplace will "recognize" that you can download the maps (whenever they're available) and everything.
We've already assesed that the helmets will come bundled with AT LEAST the marketplace pass, and since I REALLY doubt that microsoft is going to create two seperate entities for the season pass/war games pass, one for the LE buyers and one for everyone else. That's extra work for 343/microsoft, and would mean they're actively TRYING to piss off all the people who bought the LE edition.

So calm down. You'll have your emblem and helmets.

Ty-Rex 09-20-2012 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vectorman953 (Post 5282425)
OT: You guys really need to stop overthinking this.

No, man, you're just a part of the system. You're like some government pig, man. 343 is trying to take our hard-earned money and we don't even get that sweet eagle emblem. I paid $99 for and eagle emblem, this is bullshit.

343?
morelike
$4$

xXmyxxmastaXx 09-21-2012 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veedrock (Post 5281853)
Fact- You're still getting more. You get a skin that regular users won't have.



What? Why do you even think this? The blog link you posted shows this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vectorman953 (Post 5282425)
doubt that microsoft is going to create two seperate entities for the season pass/war games pass, one for the LE buyers and one for everyone else. That's extra work for 343/microsoft, and would mean they're actively TRYING to piss off all the people who bought the LE edition.

So calm down. You'll have your emblem and helmets.


Jessica Shea ‏@bsangel
@Revontuletx Correct. The Scanner and Strider helmets come with the standalone Halo 4 War Games Map Pass (not the LE).

go on her twitter and see

https://twitter.com/bsangel/status/248841746103025664

Vectorman953 09-21-2012 02:09 AM

Just great,
everything is retarded.


I think we can all agree that 2 helmets > a single skin and avatar items

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gheuh2 (Post 5282634)
No, man, you're just a part of the system. You're like some government pig, man. 343 is trying to take our hard-earned money and we don't even get that sweet eagle emblem. I paid $99 for and eagle emblem, this is bullshit.

343?
morelike
$4$

Well maybe $4$ felt bad because the eagle is the symbol of freedom and America, while they're apparently gouging people who want to have all the helmets... Like Osama!

I swear to god, if in the armory it shows a black silhouette with the two war games pass helmets, there will be no end to the tables I will rage-flip
(╯□)╯︵ ┻━┻

head0r Inc 09-21-2012 07:25 AM

Those helmets look extremely ugly anyways.

But in fact, we are paying less than the ones who buy the Season Pass from the Marketplace. The have to pay $30 or something extra for it (+ the game for like $60). We get the game and the season pass for $70 in total (sorry if the prices are wrong, but those are the prices and i just only changed them up to $$, might be differences here guys).

I still think it is nice to include the season pass into the LE, i mean wtf, how many other developers do that? None. 343 is almost giving us those maps as a present if as we have a lot of other different content in the LE as well. Really happy with that.

theNomad 09-21-2012 07:59 AM

Theres also additional content for buyers of the LE XBL edition because they don't get all the fancy packaging of the hard copy version.

I'd guess 343i will do what most other companys do and release dlc packs at a later date containing pre-order skins & emblems, just to please those who couldn't order from a certain retailers ie those living in different countries.

To get the lot you'd need to order a copy from 5 seperate retailers and get the console bundle.

Personally I'm more than happy with the LE contents I love the fact the future map packs are included as I'm often broke when dlc comes out, so end up skipping them entirely due to low numbers of players at a later period. A touch pissed off I only get an exclusive emblem from my retailer for pre-ordering but at the end of the day its the game that counts.

ReverendSID 09-21-2012 02:43 PM

Well, I never expected a full set of armor that no one else could get, I always knew it was just a skin. I'm a little upset about the 2 helmets, but as long as they're unlockable some other way down the line I'm fine. What really bugs me about the LE is the fact that the extended version of FOD isn't gonna be on a disc. As far as I can tell it's streaming on Waypoint, which is absurd IMO.

DarkReign2021 09-22-2012 03:04 PM

This whole "pre-order here to get this" and "buy this version to get this" thing is just one big clusterfuck. Even the developers and publishers seem to be unable to keep it straight. I sure as hell have no idea what I've got on the way. All I know is I have the regular edition pre-ordered at Best-Buy, the LE version pre-ordered at Gamestop, the Special Edition 360 pre-ordered at Gamestop, the UNSC controller and the $60 Triton headset pre-ordered at Gamestop (do those even come with codes? Wouldn't be surprised if they did.)

Anybody able to tell me for certain what all codes I'll be receiving? I want to make sure I don't miss any of them so I can get the most out of them when they go up on Ebay.

a7x4lyf3 09-22-2012 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veedrock (Post 5281853)
Fact- You're still getting more. You get a skin that regular users won't have.



What? Why do you even think this? The blog link you posted shows this:

http://i.imgur.com/8nzvY.png

Chances are when it says "War Games Map Pass," it means it comes with the War Games Map Pass, which would include everything listed under War Games Map Pass:

http://i.imgur.com/UUSRg.png

If you honestly think it's not coming with the armor pieces because it doesn't explicitly state that it comes with them under the LE section, then you may as well panic because it doesn't explicitly state that it comes with the maps either!

You people are still panicking even after THIS was posted, are you not even bothering to read what is said in these images? It's a season pass for war games, why would it be any different from a season pass we purchase on the xbl marketplace for the same price, you all are panicking and overreacting to this situation for no reason, so yank that wedgie out of your butt.

Der Fuhrer 09-22-2012 09:53 PM

Won't much matter to me as I will be using my FOTUS probably the whole time anyway. Also from experience with Call of Duty, I realize I like the plain unskinned weapons over skinned ones. I am glad though that I can buy the season pass thing without having to get the LE game.

The Elite Elite 09-22-2012 10:45 PM

Well, that's a bunch of crap. She says they did it this way so each version of the game has their own unique DLC, but why should the standard edition get unique DLC that the LE doesn't get? If you buy the standard, you're just getting the game, you shouldn't be getting unique things that those of us who pay more don't get. If you got the standard because you're getting it with the Halo 4 console, then you already have your unique items with the console. :mad: Oh well, at least I don't care for the looks of either helmet, so I'm not missing out on something I would otherwise use.

ReverendSID 09-23-2012 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkReign2021 (Post 5285243)
This whole "pre-order here to get this" and "buy this version to get this" thing is just one big clusterfuck. Even the developers and publishers seem to be unable to keep it straight. I sure as hell have no idea what I've got on the way. All I know is I have the regular edition pre-ordered at Best-Buy, the LE version pre-ordered at Gamestop, the Special Edition 360 pre-ordered at Gamestop, the UNSC controller and the $60 Triton headset pre-ordered at Gamestop (do those even come with codes? Wouldn't be surprised if they did.)

Anybody able to tell me for certain what all codes I'll be receiving? I want to make sure I don't miss any of them so I can get the most out of them when they go up on Ebay.

I'm not sure about the UNSC controller, but the $60 Tritton headset comes with a code for an Avatar Tshirt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by a7x4lyf3 (Post 5285536)
You people are still panicking even after THIS was posted, are you not even bothering to read what is said in these images? It's a season pass for war games, why would it be any different from a season pass we purchase on the xbl marketplace for the same price, you all are panicking and overreacting to this situation for no reason, so yank that wedgie out of your butt.

The pictures you quoted DO make it look like they should be exactly the same. However, Bsangels tweet on the subject says othrwise, it'sposted somewhere above, I'm not looking right now.

Combaticon 09-23-2012 10:52 AM

To be honest, it did seem like the end of the world when I first heard the news. But since I'm getting the console and LE, I thought of another plan.

I'll buy some MS points and trade-in one of the games with LE War Games Pass and let some other desperate sucker fall for it. If I'm lucky, maybe I might make an extra pound or two for my "generosity". :p/:biglaugh

I like the Scanner helmet, I just wish it could have a Cylon oscilating eye.

LickableLemons7 09-23-2012 02:41 PM

The digital world and its digital goodies suck. Lesson learned.

I don't know what to believe, and right now I don't give a damn. It sounds like LE owners will have access to the Recruit PRIME armor variant, while others will have the original.
Like when one pre-ordered the standard Halo:Reach and got the tacky Recon helmet with the camera thing over the visor. Those who didn't pre-order could only use the regular variant and one other one that didn't have a tacky camera.

And the helmets/falcon emblem for those who get the season pass off of the marketplace? Don't care for them as long as the sol emblem and security helmet are in Halo 4.

I'm happy enough knowing that I'll get a 90 minute director's cut of Forward Unto Dawn, as well as a hands on UNSC briefing packet when I open my LE.

343i needs to make a legendary edition for Halo 5 so they can bundle a big ass statue of Cortana with it. People can oogle at it all day long and not worry about all this shit we won't care about when the nextbox comes and we bitch about Halo 5's pre-order incentives.

Ty-Rex 09-23-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LickableLemons7 (Post 5286754)
343i needs to make a legendary edition for Halo 5 so they can bundle a big ass statue of Cortana with it. People can oogle at it all day long and not worry about all this shit we won't care about when the nextbox comes and we bitch about Halo 5's pre-order incentives.

343 should make 5 different editions of Halo 5 that each come with unique armor just so I can see more people complain about this incredibly idiotic "problem".

This post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Combaticon (Post 5286540)
To be honest, it did seem like the end of the world when I first heard the news. But since I'm getting the console and LE, I thought of another plan.

I'll buy some MS points and trade-in one of the games with LE War Games Pass and let some other desperate sucker fall for it. If I'm lucky, maybe I might make an extra pound or two for my "generosity". :p/:biglaugh

is, like, the saddest thing I've seen if it isn't a joke.

It's armor skins, people. Holy shit.

Edit: To clarify, I think the OP is right. They really don't make it clear what's coming with each version. It was all handled really poorly. The "problem" I'm referring to is the people who are mad that they won't have every armor skin ever.

ReverendSID 09-23-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LickableLemons7 (Post 5286754)
I'm happy enough knowing that I'll get a 90 minute director's cut of Forward Unto Dawn, as well as a hands on UNSC briefing packet when I open my LE.

Just as long as you're clear that that 90 minute FOD cut, isn't on a disk. (again, as far as I can tell it's streaming only through Waypoint. Not even a download.)

Vectorman953 09-23-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by head0r Inc (Post 5283352)
But in fact, we are paying less than the ones who buy the Season Pass from the Marketplace. The have to pay $30 or something extra for it (+ the game for like $60). We get the game and the season pass for $70 in total (sorry if the prices are wrong, but those are the prices and i just only changed them up to $$, might be differences here guys).

Unless my math is wrong, we're technically paying more. The limited edition is $100. War games pass ($30) and actual game disk ($60) leaves a $10 difference, to account for the FOD stuff, avatar trash, and the hopefully awesome artifacts/data packet. So, from a certain point of view, you aren't saving money.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReverendSID (Post 5287022)
Just as long as you're clear that that 90 minute FOD cut, isn't on a disk. (again, as far as I can tell it's streaming only through Waypoint. Not even a download.)

After a little bit of sleuthing, in the IGN halo 4 wiki, I kept finding this phrase repeated.
Quote:

Nov. 6, 2012, as the "Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn" Special Edition, an extended edit with additional footage and bonus content as part of the "Halo 4" Limited Edition. This Special Edition will also be available on video on-demand services.
That makes it sound like if you have Netflix or Hulu Plus (which at least I do) you'll be able to watch the directors cut edition free. In an arguably simpler way than if you were to watch it on Waypoint (mind you if that is the case)

This whole digital content thing is just getting more and more disappointing. I really should have done a Halo 4 blackout and avoided these forums and the IGNs of the world until the game came out - not because of the possible spoiling of the plot, but the constant build and then collapse of expectations about this game. The fact that I might not get a tangible copy of the FOD video is just depressing. If the canon "artifacts" are skimp (not as great as Halseys journal, and seriously the only reason I bought the LE) then I can honestly say I've pretty much wasted my money, and should have gone with the standard edition.
Don't get me wrong, I'm going to love this game and play the shit out of it, but this whole clusterfuck is leaving the time waiting until I have the game in my hands extra painful

AMATHUS21 09-23-2012 07:52 PM

Just asking as well seeing as the recruit armour in LE is not eclusive but a skin, does this mean the fotus is not exclusive?

ReverendSID 09-23-2012 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vectorman953 (Post 5287033)
That makes it sound like if you have Netflix or Hulu Plus (which at least I do) you'll be able to watch the directors cut edition free. In an arguably simpler way than if you were to watch it on Waypoint (mind you if that is the case)

Actually, that IGN quote made it sound to me as if you'll also have the option to buy/rent it on those video-on-demand services even if you don't buy the LE. They've said somewhere that a disc version will be coming at some later time. I'll have to see if I can find it again.


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