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Caleb Goessling 02-01-2008 08:41 AM

95% in Area 5 is the mind... KILLER.
 
I'm hot on the trail of this feat (just got to 94.8% on my fifth try), but MAN, can we talk about this?

I downloaded the #1 Score Attack run, but that was only half-enlightening. I could see the exact number of hit points on most of the enemies, but the guy was running the opposite if the strategy I'm interested in. I want to kill everything as fast as possible, and keep the screen as clear as possible, but this guy didn't want to kill anything that could fire a missile until it had fired that missile, so he could shoot that missile for the points, and he would rarely fire a shot without a full 8x target lock built up. ...And the final, final boss fight was totally ridiculous. Homeboy dragged that out forever, letting every missile fire at him so he could shoot it down.

I guess my questions as a completionist runner are about specific enemies, and overdrive:

What's the fastest way to kill those two fan shapes that open and close in front of you? The second one (the one right before the multi-boss run) appears to be stronger than the first.

How about the giant cylinder that spawns hundreds of guys? Do you have to shoot every single one of them down? Can you stop them from spawning in the first place?

Where to use overdrive? I often find myself in situations where I think "Crap, look at all these enemies," and I hit it, but then I look at them, and they're all pretty slow-moving, and it turns out I was going to get a long time to take care of them.

The bosses: there's no good or bad way to fight them as long as you get the job done, right?

I think I'm overthinking it. I just have to practice, and shoot every target as soon as it appears.

DarkEchoesX 02-01-2008 11:16 AM

Personally I can't tell you how to do it, as I'm struggling to get past 85% Shot Down on Area 5.

However, I did find a video that shows you exactly how to get 100% Shot Down on Area 5. Personally I find it hard to follow, as he seems to be able to target numerous enemies very quickly (yet my cursor moves like a snail and struggles to highligh multiple enemies on Area 5), however it might be of use to you.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-435065682899786051

Penn 02-01-2008 12:15 PM

Just hit over 96% on my first go today grabbing me the Laser Assassin achievement. The only thing i did differently this time was to use overdrives during the level (i hardly ever use them normally) and on the last set of boss fights, instead of trying to kill the boss as fast as possible i made sure i took out all of it's "items".

For example, on the boss that spins the square things things at you, i took out every one of it's arms before it died. Like wise on the very last boss, i sat there tapping fire as fast as possible aiming at the little "ships" that it shoots out. I'm pretty sure each of these phases are timed so whether you're hitting the boss rings or not, it will take you into the final phase. Once you're in the final phase, the rings are gone and the boss constantly spits out rockets, i just took the boss out as soon as possible.

The video on google is a good watch, take note of which enemies he taps fire on and doesn't use combo's, you have to combine these 2 methods to hit over 95%.

After getting over 95% on all areas, it also unlocked boss rush mode which is needed for an achievement.

Caleb Goessling 02-01-2008 01:49 PM

I can tell you from the replay I watched that the phases of the final boss are not timed. You have to destroy either a ring or one of the roaming ships to move on, and those things take forever to kill. Each phase of the final fight is on a spiral-shaped course, and if you don't move on by the time you hit the end of the spiral, your character will just sit right there at that spot until you do.

Did you know the "true" ending comes from shooting down 100% in Area 5? I seen it on the YouTube.

Penn 02-01-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb Goessling (Post 616368)
I can tell you from the replay I watched that the phases of the final boss are not timed. You have to destroy either a ring or one of the roaming ships to move on, and those things take forever to kill. Each phase of the final fight is on a spiral-shaped course, and if you don't move on by the time you hit the end of the spiral, your character will just sit right there at that spot until you do.

Did you know the "true" ending comes from shooting down 100% in Area 5? I seen it on the YouTube.

I must have been chipping away at the boss rings without realising then as i was shooting down all the small ships that fly out.

Marty7044 02-01-2008 08:37 PM

I'm stuck at 87%, I can't imagine getting 100. However, i'm also starting from the Area 4 which puts me at a lower level. It would suck to start at Area 1 just so that I can die in Area 5.

DarkEchoesX 02-02-2008 11:14 AM

I managed to pull myself up to about 97% last night, the key really is your use of Overdrives, the general idea is to use one whenever you feel you are going to lose too many enemies (best used in areas with those flying "catapillar" enemies). You only need about 1 Overdrive for the final bosses, for the one that fires a massive amount of green missiles (I think you may even get an overdrive from a previous boss before that, so you might not need any).

Personally I used my overdrives when you have a bunch of enemies appearing right when you are near the ring that takes you to the next layer. As for the bosses, hit every green/yellow enemy they fire (they count to the total), but keep firing on the boss as much as possible, otherwise you'll get stuck in a cycle of being hit again and again while focusing on enemies that don't count to your total percentage (like the red ships, or missiles on the final boss)

Natanji 02-02-2008 02:54 PM

Great, I just got 96%. But in points mode, which doesn't count... argh!

Caleb Goessling 02-02-2008 03:59 PM

Still, that's a good question to have answered.

Natanji 02-02-2008 04:15 PM

Haha, got 99.51 this time and finally got that Laser Assassin achievement. Nice :) I have to say however that it's not the hardest achievement; scoring over 300k on Area 5 seems much harder to me!

Caleb Goessling 02-02-2008 06:08 PM

Nah, that's easy. Just avoid hitting anything important in the final boss fight, and it'll go on forever, while your score goes up by thousands and thousands. -and juice the multiplier at all times, except when in immediate peril.

Score Attack goals don't scare me in the least.

Natanji 02-02-2008 06:32 PM

Alright just made that too :P Indeed, it seems all easy now. The only thing now is... Assault Mode, playing it 5 times. Eww. Well might just take a while, playing the exact same game 5 times in a row isn't esactly motivating. The same kind of pain in the ass that finishing points mode 30 times.

Caleb Goessling 02-02-2008 07:57 PM

Getting 95% in all the Play Mode areas unlocked Boss Rush, right? And a local rank of 1st in Boss Rush unlocks the unlimited overdrive option in Beyond Mode, right? That should take all the stress out of Direct Assault.

Penn 02-02-2008 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Caleb Goessling (Post 618735)
Getting 95% in all the Play Mode areas unlocked Boss Rush, right? And a local rank of 1st in Boss Rush unlocks the unlimited overdrive option in Beyond Mode, right? That should take all the stress out of Direct Assault.

Correct, it just makes it tedious having to sit there tapping over drive. :)

Caleb Goessling 02-03-2008 01:31 AM

Wow. I just pulled off a 99.8%. Here were the secrets I gathered to get there:

There are two kinds of snakelike enemies. The ones that pop halfway out of the ground and fire at you while staying rooted in their holes. You have to take care of those ones fast, because they retreat after firing one shot at you. If you take them out as fast as possible, they don't fire that shot. They have 20 hit points each.

The snakes that fly through the air are totally different. Whoever said to shoot them in the head was RIGHT. Whoever said to use overdrive power on them was WRONG WRONG WRONG. If you focus manually on their heads, they fall apart SUPER FAST. If you use overdrive on them, the auto-targeting wastes all your time firing at the rear, and often doesn't end up killing them, and can make you miss all kinds of other surrounding enemies that fly by while your shots are getting absorbed by the worms' butts.

Also a concern are the X-shaped enemies that tend to fly straight past without stopping. I just memorized where they all were. Most of them can be fired upon well before you actually see them.

I didn't take any extraordinary care at the giant cylinder. I just blew the thing up, and missed plenty of the little spawnlings. Same goes for the bosses. They're all just graded as pass/fail. No need to hit every single one of their tiny little parts.

Belgurth 02-03-2008 05:47 PM

Yes! Just did it too! 99.51%, finally unlocked boss rush, gotta try it later tonight.

notdryad 02-05-2008 09:24 PM

Two big keys to getting a 95 on area 5 is practice, practice, practice and using overdrives. It really helps to familiarize yourself with when the enemies come. Don't hesitate to overdrive if you feel overwhelmed; you can get a lot of overdrives during the level.

And make sure you shoot as much as you can on the bosses, except for the last one. On the last boss, just go for the kill. Try to save at least one overdrive for the last part of the final boss; all those green missiles are hell-ish :(

Caleb Goessling 02-06-2008 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by notdryad (Post 624561)
Two big keys to getting a 95 on area 5 is practice, practice, practice and using overdrives. It really helps to familiarize yourself with when the enemies come. Don't hesitate to overdrive if you feel overwhelmed; you can get a lot of overdrives during the level.

I disagree. I think using Overdrive is an instinct that anyone will have by the time they get to this area, and the key to Area 5 is knowing the spots where Overdrive will actually harm your score, as we've already discussed.

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And make sure you shoot as much as you can on the bosses, except for the last one. On the last boss, just go for the kill.
I disagree with this too. I can say with great confidence that the bosses do not affect your "shot down" percentage, or I would certainly not have gotten 99%.

Natanji 02-06-2008 04:15 PM

I never used overdrives before area 5, actually. Just didn't see the need for it...

Overdrives can't do any harm however; for the score, yes, but we're talking about shotdowns here. And overdrives won't harm your shotdowns, ever. You can't get less shotdown with them.

Caleb Goessling 02-06-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Natanji (Post 626010)
I never used overdrives before area 5, actually. Just didn't see the need for it...

Overdrives can't do any harm however; for the score, yes, but we're talking about shotdowns here. And overdrives won't harm your shotdowns, ever. You can't get less shotdown with them.

But that's what I'm saying. You can. They'll hurt your shot down% any time a worm is in the air. You need to manually target heir heads.

notdryad 02-06-2008 06:44 PM

Overdrive usage as an instinct by the time anyone gets to area 5? Not really seeing as how there's hardly a definite need for overdrives to get 95% on area 1-4 as there is on area 5.

Ry Fryy 02-06-2008 06:49 PM

I did it exactly how the dude in the video did it. And that's use Overdrives when you are about to be swarmed with a large number of enemies at once.. and to kill the final boss as quickly as possible. Not even letting her unleash the horde of rockets.

It worked for me easily.

Chupathingy13 02-07-2008 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Natanji (Post 626010)
I never used overdrives before area 5, actually. Just didn't see the need for it...

The 2nd boss with his little wall things (shoot the yellow rectangles) would always piss me off and I'd always use mine there, lol.


I've got 94.66 on Area 5 for first try on Rez HD. It's been a while since I played the original so I didn't know where everyone was, lol.

(btw, excellent thread name, two thumbs up, "Fear" is definitely the coolest song in the game)

Caleb Goessling 02-07-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by notdryad (Post 626233)
Overdrive usage as an instinct by the time anyone gets to area 5? Not really seeing as how there's hardly a definite need for overdrives to get 95% on area 1-4 as there is on area 5.

Yeah, what do I know about it? I'm just some idiot who got 99.8% for the stage in Play mode, and ranked #47 in Score Attack.

Beardyboo 02-07-2008 09:58 AM

easy 95%+ is to get a turbo madcatz pad

Marty7044 02-07-2008 10:08 PM

Got it last night! 95.1% Yeah, baby!

Natanji 02-08-2008 12:08 PM

Heh that's a cool coincidence Caleb, I also ranked #47 in score attack on area1 yesterday. ;)

judagrmn 02-21-2008 06:24 PM

ughhh 5 tries in a row and I cant get more than 93%....maybe its time I gave in and watched a video to see what the hell I am doing wrong.

Natanji 02-23-2008 10:41 AM

Yep. Watching a video really helps!

Tavvy 02-23-2008 09:12 PM

I keep getting around 88% but tomorrow I am going to try get over 95% loads and know that i know after watching the video that you dont have to shoot the little ship things from the last boss at the end i should hopefully get it done.
Oh and thank you soo much for the video!!!


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