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Old 08-08-2011, 07:39 AM   #1
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To anyone struggling with Babel Achievements...

If you're not trying to be the best Catherine player in the world and just want the achievements, do yourself a huge favor and play PAIRS.

Even if you don't have a friend to play with, PAIRS by yourself with 2 controllers is so much more easier then playing solo.

Reasons Why:

1. Less steps.
PAIRS Alter: 106 steps
PAIRS Menhir: 130something... I forgot to take note.
PAIRS Obelisk: 154 steps
PAIRS Axismundi: 168 steps

2. Simpler Blocks
The game compensates the fact that you're playing with two people and gives easier blocks to deal with (i.e less cracked blocks, wider areas to work with)

3. Less/simpler strategy specific
While you can do a pairs Inazuma, you don't need it for PAIRS. The basic push/pulls, tornados, spider crawls, and push into the background to generate new blocks to work with is all you need.

Just to give an idea how much easier it is with PAIRS, I never made it past 130 solo on Alter after multiple hours spent, but I completed it first try in pairs.

Well... time for me to celebrate my 1k in Catherine.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:43 AM   #2
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Wonderful, wonderful tip. Thank you very much for informing us of this. I know what I'll be doing.
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Old 08-08-2011, 11:49 AM   #3
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Wow, thanks for this. I've been struggling on Obelisk for awhile.

Switched to pairs and completed it first try...

On to Axis now!

Woot! Got my 1k now.

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Old 08-08-2011, 03:36 PM   #4
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Quite possibly the best tip (strategy?) for Babel. And, seriously, it is the only way to actually being able to beat Axis Mundi.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:52 AM   #5
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Wow, thanks for this. I've been struggling on Obelisk for awhile.

Switched to pairs and completed it first try...

On to Axis now!

Woot! Got my 1k now.
Niceee, grats. 1k in this game is pretty gratifying.
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Im sure the Pairs method? strat?... something.. has been mentioned before but its always somewhere hidden and buried between other posts. Im putting it out in bright lights.

If this helps anyone out, then Im glad to have helped in anyway.
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Old 08-10-2011, 05:03 AM   #6
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Wow, that's definitely worth a shot, I've soloed Altar, Menhir, and Obelisk so far, but I've been stuck on Axis Mundi for days. I'll give this a shot, thank for the advice! Only need Axis Mundi and Legendary Prince achievements to go!
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:12 PM   #7
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:31 PM   #8
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if you are playing by yourself can the extra controller character die and you can keep playing? Or do both people have to stay alive?
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:42 PM   #9
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if you are playing by yourself can the extra controller character die and you can keep playing? Or do both people have to stay alive?
If one person dies, it ends. So both have to make the finish line. It's annoying doing it by yourself but possible (at least for Altar, only one I tried)
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Old 08-08-2011, 04:59 PM   #10
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Thanks! I'll have to see how it goes when I try it tonight.
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Old 08-09-2011, 07:49 AM   #11
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Obelisk completed via this method! Axis Mundi is gonna take a few practice runs at least to get a hang of how the tower forms but I got to 109 so far so i'm getting there!
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Old 01-14-2012, 02:39 PM   #12
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January 13 –¦–­» 70
September 9 –¦–­» 87
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September 14 –¦–­» 102
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Old 01-14-2012, 05:43 PM   #13
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Just finished the 1k today and thought I would share my opinions on these. I did Altar, Obelisk and Axis Mundi in pairs and Menhir solo. I thought doing Menhir solo was best because it was so narrow and it was hard to navigate 2 people, especially with all the cracked blocks. Obelisk was the hardest (IMO) because of all the different blocks. There are ice, mystery, monster, cracked, trap and bomb blocks. Axis Mundi kept screwing me up because of one poorly placed vortex block around step 150.

My advice to anyone doing Obelisk/Axis Mundi: When the tower splits around step 100, try to keep the two towers connected as best you can or else you might not have a wide enough platform when the immovable blocks show up.
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:28 AM   #14
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Was able to beat Altar on pairs, but how the fuck to beat the other ones, I don't know. I've been able to make it around 60 steps on the next two stages. Menhir is so damn narrow, I can't do anything. I've been able to get around the same number of steps solo on Menhir, and that might even be easier than pairs, since I found myself going much faster and not having to worry about the bottom falling out on me.

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I own the game for a week now (yes, Europe) and managed to beat Menhir solo yesterday.
I've started out trying Altar in solo, failed, and read about Pairs being easier. After that I beat Altar within a few tries in Pairs on my own.
But Menhir was just too narrow for Pairs for me.
So I kept practising solo yesterday and the day before until - as I said - yesterday I finally conquered it.
First 40 steps shouldn't make any problems, after that - when it widens up a bit - try Inazuma and Inazuma variations and try not to crumble you wall to much. The less block you drop, the flatter your next starting surface will be and the easier this section of Menhir will be.
Actually you can say that overall: From step 40 on focus on
a) not crumbling your wall to much (or at least crumble it equally) and
b) don't forget about trap blocks.
I screwed up quite a few attempts because I was so focused on thinking about how to proceed further upwards that I forgot I was standing on a trap block!
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Old 09-19-2012, 10:50 PM   #15
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If you're not trying to be the best Catherine player in the world and just want the achievements, do yourself a huge favor and play PAIRS.

Even if you don't have a friend to play with, PAIRS by yourself with 2 controllers is so much more easier then playing solo.

Reasons Why:

1. Less steps.
PAIRS Alter: 106 steps
PAIRS Menhir: 130something... I forgot to take note.
PAIRS Obelisk: 154 steps
PAIRS Axismundi: 168 steps

2. Simpler Blocks
The game compensates the fact that you're playing with two people and gives easier blocks to deal with (i.e less cracked blocks, wider areas to work with)

3. Less/simpler strategy specific
While you can do a pairs Inazuma, you don't need it for PAIRS. The basic push/pulls, tornados, spider crawls, and push into the background to generate new blocks to work with is all you need.

Just to give an idea how much easier it is with PAIRS, I never made it past 130 solo on Alter after multiple hours spent, but I completed it first try in pairs.

Well... time for me to celebrate my 1k in Catherine.

Nice. Great tip. Will try this soon. Thanks so much
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:35 AM   #16
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I've got 45 achievements unlocked. I might stop there. I only beat the game because I did what the videos did. Even on 9-5 and 9-6, as even though it took me forever and there were moments I had to improvise, my improvisations were minor and then I just resumed following the videos the moment I got past the problem. Playing the whole game like that, well, I can't process the puzzles on my own. Doing the two controller trick just made it worse, as I had to think twice as much.
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:57 PM   #17
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Well, this forum has certainly stayed dead. With the Xbox One coming out later this year, I'm not going to be able to buy games as I need to save up for November. So over the next few months, I plan on trying to get the few achievements that have eluded me over the years. Most of the achievements for other games were denied to me because of glitches, but these... these ones are just very, very hard.

I managed to get the altar achievement today. I can't wrap my head around a lot of these strategies, and only managed to beat altar because I got stuck and started desperately pushing random blocks so that other blocks would fall. I successfully made a path that worked. I'm pretty sure I can't do that on any of the other babel stages.

I guess I'll just keep trying - even if it's only two-or-three tries per day. It's not like I have anything else to play.

Edit: June 30th - beat Menhir.

Edit: June 30th - beat Obelisk. That was tense, but it seemed easier than Menhir. The part where it split into two different towers was the hardest area, especially with all of the random blocks.

Edit: June 30th - beat Axis Mundi. I honestly have no idea how I went from completely sucking at this game to beating all of them in the span of a few hours. Just keep trying if you're having trouble, I guess.

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Old 07-11-2013, 02:40 PM   #18
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^^^ Best post ever? That's some serious Babel domination.

I got Atlas done a while ago. Been plugging away at Menhir and Obelisk. Finally got Menhir last night; have had a few good runs at Obelisk but keep messing up in the low 100's. The more you play the more you recognize the patterns and how to get throught them and the Youtube videos help even though there is some randomness to the drops.

One think I picked up from watching Youtube is how fast some people are working both controllers, especially through the easier/repetitive sections. I think that helps give you a little breathing room or time to adjust if you screw up.

Axis still gives me fits and seems to be the hardest. Hopefully with a few more tries I will start to get it.

I'm on the same plan for cleaning up prior to Xbox One. I've got about 20 non-DLC achievements remaining most of which are mega-grinds (Star Ocean, Gears 1 seriously). Finishing Catherine and the challenges on Vanquish are going to require the most skill.

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Old 07-12-2013, 02:03 AM   #19
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I still don't know how I did it. I was never able to study and remember the strategies, so I just learned them the hard way through trial and error. Once I got the hang of a simple strategy - where you take a block from the middle and push it to the edge of your landing to form stairs - things started progressing much quicker. I always made stairs, but before then, I was doing it the hard way and wrecking my landings.

I was never able to control both characters quickly. As I said in my first post, that just confused me. I always moved one character at a time - except in the few instances where I had to pull a block with one character and push it with the other in order to maintain block integrity.

I was still seeing blocks when I closed my eyes for a week after I finished. Thinking about strategies and what-have-you. It wasn't fun.

The big achievement I'm trying to tackle now is Max Payne 3's New York Minute Hardcore. It's more tedious than hard because you have to watch all of the cutscenes over again when you die, and then there's the disk switching. I might not be able to get that one.

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Old 11-19-2013, 09:35 PM   #20
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sweet tip, i remember this when i start my catherine achievement hunt again
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