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Old 04-17-2012, 07:32 PM   #1
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I'm giving in, Capcom you're really starting to dissapoint me.

So, I was one of the people who was trying to support this game since it came out, mainly because I am a big fan of Capcom, plus I did enjoy the game and thought it was nice they were adding a "Free" DLC. Well everyone was saying oh, it's not going to be free just wait, and they were right. That's a dirty little thing they did there. Telling us they're going to release the other side of the campaign as DLC for free, and we come to find out only 1 chapter is free. It's pretty sad, and as much as I want to I just can't support them on this anymore. Everything they've released as DLC is kind of obvious that it was in the game beforehand. Don't comment saying "Blame Slant Six" because I enjoy the game, I don't like that Capcom is releasing the content as paid DLC that should have came with the game. Just a rant
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Old 04-17-2012, 07:44 PM   #2
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Everything about this game has been a disappointment. I bought as an impulse buy after some trade-ins. God, I regret it now since this game blows big time. Feels like a quick cash in to fund Resident Evil 6.
I have no problems with paid DLC. If that's what companies want to do, by all means. But they mislead a lot of people by saying it was free but than saying, 'oh no, 1 chapter is free. crap crap and more crap
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FYI - to all the people that seem to think everything released after the fact SHOULD have come with the game, you don't know what you're talking about.

As it stands - the game was reviewed based on what was released. Not future content. What was in the final game, was the final game. Nothing "should" have to be in the game when they never told us that it would be. It's an EXTRA. It's unnecessary. It does not alter the game in such a way that it was required in the first place or is even required now. You like the game? Hey, guess what - we want to give you more asap without you having to wait 6 months to two years for a re-issue or sequel!

Furthermore, Capcom only stated the first DLC was free. In fact, the announcement of the release date on this very site for the first DLC stated that additional ones would be paid.
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FYI - to all the people that seem to think everything released after the fact SHOULD have come with the game, you don't know what you're talking about.

As it stands - the game was reviewed based on what was released. Not future content. What was in the final game, was the final game. Nothing "should" have to be in the game when they never told us that it would be. It's an EXTRA. It's unnecessary. It does not alter the game in such a way that it was required in the first place or is even required now. You like the game? Hey, guess what - we want to give you more asap without you having to wait 6 months to two years for a re-issue or sequel!

Furthermore, Capcom only stated the first DLC was free. In fact, the announcement of the release date on this very site for the first DLC stated that additional ones would be paid.
1 Chapter of a campaign is not a DLC. They're just money hungry like every other company out there. I don't even mind paying for the DLC, it's the fact that they said they're releasing a free DLC which will be another side to the campaign. Then thhey make us pay for it.
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1 Chapter of a campaign is not a DLC. They're just money hungry like every other company out there. I don't even mind paying for the DLC, it's the fact that they said they're releasing a free DLC which will be another side to the campaign. Then thhey make us pay for it.
People just like to complain for the sake of complaining - AGAIN, I stress that NOTHING of this DLC (and yes, one lengthy mission, even a short one, qualifies as DLC - even guns or skins for games qualify as ADDITIONAL CONTENT) was mandatory or HAD to be a included in the main game.

And AGAIN, as even others have stated, they said ONE chapter would be free. I think you misread or misheard from someone that a whole secondary Campaign would be free - but that's absurd. It still costs money to finish this content. Perhaps you don't know how DLC works but it has a separate budget from the main game and is worked on by different people with lower priorities (unless they're trying to get it out on the same day).

This is not some money grab and they aren't trying to rip people off or get cash for RE6 (which has been in development for sometime in house) - if you are upset that you have to pay less than half (1/3rd actually) what you paid for the main game for something that will nearly double the amount of content then simply don't buy it.

But stop complaining about how you're being screwed or how "it should have been there from the beginning" because it simply shows your lack of knowledge on this topic and comes off as being unappreciative. What was on the final release could EASILY have been all the content - it's not written somewhere that the Spec Ops needed their own Campaign because they didn't.

This is an extra feature that was finished after the main game. If you want it, you have to pay for it as they didn't just make it magically without spending any cash. And nowhere did Capcom say otherwise despite what you think.

In the past if you wanted extra content to a game you waited for the full priced sequel or the often full priced re-release on a different system.
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I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford all the games I want and it's DLC. That said, I believe all DLC is a cash grab whether or not it is in service to the consumers.

Honestly, used games sales is the one to blame for this era downloadable content. It's to make you keep your game longer so you don't sell your game back. It also cushions the lost sales they get from used game purchases. I think its a fair trade to Capcom and the devs to get what they deserve.

If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you feel like you're missing out on the narrative, its ok, the game isn't even RE canon.
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Welcome to Capcom. They release 1/4 of characters for a fighting game and make you pay for the other 3/4ths locked on the disc. They cut the ending out of Azuma's wrath and make you pay for it. Welcome to Capcom/
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People just like to complain for the sake of complaining - AGAIN, I stress that NOTHING of this DLC (and yes, one lengthy mission, even a short one, qualifies as DLC - even guns or skins for games qualify as ADDITIONAL CONTENT) was mandatory or HAD to be a included in the main game.

And AGAIN, as even others have stated, they said ONE chapter would be free. I think you misread or misheard from someone that a whole secondary Campaign would be free - but that's absurd. It still costs money to finish this content. Perhaps you don't know how DLC works but it has a separate budget from the main game and is worked on by different people with lower priorities (unless they're trying to get it out on the same day).

This is not some money grab and they aren't trying to rip people off or get cash for RE6 (which has been in development for sometime in house) - if you are upset that you have to pay less than half (1/3rd actually) what you paid for the main game for something that will nearly double the amount of content then simply don't buy it.

But stop complaining about how you're being screwed or how "it should have been there from the beginning" because it simply shows your lack of knowledge on this topic and comes off as being unappreciative. What was on the final release could EASILY have been all the content - it's not written somewhere that the Spec Ops needed their own Campaign because they didn't.

This is an extra feature that was finished after the main game. If you want it, you have to pay for it as they didn't just make it magically without spending any cash. And nowhere did Capcom say otherwise despite what you think.

In the past if you wanted extra content to a game you waited for the full priced sequel or the often full priced re-release on a different system.

Aww you beat me to it! lol

Nicely worded =)

But too right, people spend their lives creating games, they spend their hours to release DLC after the game's release. And people like the OP expect it to be free and "included on the game disk". Ok OP, how about you go to work and do it for nothing, see how long you last with no pay.

On the box it clearly states "FREE Spec Ops Mission 1 DLC" even with a date and even then it came out a day earlier!

But to the point, did it say "FREE Spec Ops Campaign"? No, no it did not.

Learn to read and stop whining about a subject you cannot even comprehend, just jumping on the shoulda, woulda, coulda brigade that is non educated numpties who know nothing about the games industry.

p.s the content wasn't on the disk
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Welcome to Capcom. They release 1/4 of characters for a fighting game and make you pay for the other 3/4ths locked on the disc. They cut the ending out of Azuma's wrath and make you pay for it. Welcome to Capcom/
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The ending of Azuma's Wraith seemed fine to me. In fact, I would prefer that remain the end until a sequel - not DLC. And I don't think there has ever been 3/4th of a fighting game roster appear as DLC...

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On the front of my RE:ORC game case is a sticker saying mission 1 will be free (not the whole 7 mission Spec Ops campaign).

I would have preferred both campaigns on the retail disc but as long as it's not disk locked content but instead legit downloadable content, I'm fine with it.

Just hurry up and unlock the achievements on Xbox.com so I can play it already!
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On the front of my RE:ORC game case is a sticker saying mission 1 will be free (not the whole 7 mission Spec Ops campaign).

I would have preferred both campaigns on the retail disc but as long as it's not disk locked content but instead legit downloadable content, I'm fine with it.

Just hurry up and unlock the achievements on Xbox.com so I can play it already!
Yeah that's all I'm waiting for, and wow, they're releasing more? Xbox is starting to get stupid, 20 dollars for something that should have been included in the disk...
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Personally i like the game, yeah the campaign isnt great, but i enjoy the multiplayer, yes it needs a bit of work and i guess its not up to the standards of a company as big as capcom but i do really enjoy playing.

Im a life long resident evil fan, game out and ORC isnt the best of the lot but not even close to the worst. People bitching about the DLC costing, microsoft dont allow free DLC unless its sponsered, and personally i think its well worth the money ive paid for it.

I know plenty of others who enjoy it, guess its 1 of them games you either love or hate.
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Yeah that's all I'm waiting for, and wow, they're releasing more? Xbox is starting to get stupid, 20 dollars for something that should have been included in the disk...
Uh yeah... ps3 has to pay for it too.
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FYI - to all the people that seem to think everything released after the fact SHOULD have come with the game, you don't know what you're talking about.

As it stands - the game was reviewed based on what was released. Not future content. What was in the final game, was the final game. Nothing "should" have to be in the game when they never told us that it would be. It's an EXTRA. It's unnecessary. It does not alter the game in such a way that it was required in the first place or is even required now. You like the game? Hey, guess what - we want to give you more asap without you having to wait 6 months to two years for a re-issue or sequel!

Furthermore, Capcom only stated the first DLC was free. In fact, the announcement of the release date on this very site for the first DLC stated that additional ones would be paid.
Not really. They cut the SpecOps campaign to sell later for additional profits. It's low but it's not just Capcom, pretty much every developer is guilty of this practice nowadays. I read an article on Gamespot the other day where a developer head even admitted this. Furthermore, just because a DLC file has to be downloaded (opposed to us essentially buying an "unlock" since it's already on the disc) doesn't mean it's newly developed content. Developers are entirely capable of removing something from the game to sell later. They just didn't use to do it and opted to keep it on but locked so a user would have to purchase rights to "unlock" it. These days with every company being under scrutiny for this practice devs are completely removing it so they can claim it's new content.
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Not really. They cut the SpecOps campaign to sell later for additional profits. It's low but it's not just Capcom, pretty much every developer is guilty of this practice nowadays. I read an article on Gamespot the other day where a developer head even admitted this. Furthermore, just because a DLC file has to be downloaded (opposed to us essentially buying an "unlock" since it's already on the disc) doesn't mean it's newly developed content. Developers are entirely capable of removing something from the game to sell later. They just didn't use to do it and opted to keep it on but locked so a user would have to purchase rights to "unlock" it. These days with every company being under scrutiny for this practice devs are completely removing it so they can claim it's new content.
Okay - if you're going to make such a statement then you MUST be able to back it up with proof, yes? I never saw anyone at Capcom or Slant Six say they cut a full complete Campaign for DLC - so where did you see this? I remember them selling the game as being able to play as Umbrella operatives... never saw anything about the final game having a campaign for both Umbrella and Spec Ops.

No, this isn't something everyone does - it just looks that way to people that don't work in the industry and assume every company is trying to nickel and dime them. News flash - about 70% of DLC is not content that was going to make it in the game in the release window. It may have been planned at one time but just wasn't working, didn't flow, or just could not get finished in time.... on the other hand there is quite a lot of content that is thought up AFTER the game is "content complete".

Every one that complains about this just makes the assumption that they are getting an incomplete game and are being 'forced' to pay more to finish it. You aren't. What they sell as the final game, is the final game. The rest is unnecessary and extra for people that want MORE. It's just so idiotic to me that people will turn around and complain about being offered (not forced) more because they feel they should have had it in the first place.
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Okay - if you're going to make such a statement then you MUST be able to back it up with proof, yes? I never saw anyone at Capcom or Slant Six say they cut a full complete Campaign for DLC - so where did you see this? I remember them selling the game as being able to play as Umbrella operatives... never saw anything about the final game having a campaign for both Umbrella and Spec Ops.

No, this isn't something everyone does - it just looks that way to people that don't work in the industry and assume every company is trying to nickel and dime them. News flash - about 70% of DLC is not content that was going to make it in the game in the release window. It may have been planned at one time but just wasn't working, didn't flow, or just could not get finished in time.... on the other hand there is quite a lot of content that is thought up AFTER the game is "content complete".

Every one that complains about this just makes the assumption that they are getting an incomplete game and are being 'forced' to pay more to finish it. You aren't. What they sell as the final game, is the final game. The rest is unnecessary and extra for people that want MORE. It's just so idiotic to me that people will turn around and complain about being offered (not forced) more because they feel they should have had it in the first place.

The game has not even been out a month. You really think they did the entire Spec Ops campaign in a month? This was completed long ago, they just left it out. This is what Capcom does. They have been for several years now. I am honestly very suprised we did not have to pay to play the versus mode. They did that for RE5(That was on the disc, just locked).
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The game has not even been out a month. You really think they did the entire Spec Ops campaign in a month? This was completed long ago, they just left it out. This is what Capcom does. They have been for several years now. I am honestly very suprised we did not have to pay to play the versus mode. They did that for RE5(That was on the disc, just locked).
Incorrect. Your arrogance on this subject is not surprising, though - despite popular theory, they did not use any unlock code DLC on RE5. That all spiraled out of IGN claiming Versus wasn't worth the money as it offered no NEW content that wasn't already on the disc. That's true and the reason why the small title update and small download were all that was needed - they simply added menus and functionality but all assets (character models, levels, and weapons) were being pulled from the disc. The mode, itself, was NOT on the disc as confirmed by the leaked disc files pre-release. Research some of this before following the crowd and making inaccurate claims.

Secondly, no - it did not take a month. The fact that you'd think that's what I meant shows how little you know about game development... do you also believe the game was finished the month it was released? Because I can guarantee you it wasn't. Games take a lot of time to make but also have a window in which they MUST be completed to pass submission and be burned, packaged, and shipped to stores. The DLC was likely started as the main project was getting ready to (or after) submit. Which would have been around three months ago at least. The basic structure of the game (and all these models) were already made. DLC does NOT take that long to throw together when the basic code for the game is done and submission is much less time since they can pass submission and release digitally the next week.

So, no - this was not completed "long ago". The fact that you suggest that and still thought RE5 Versus was "on the disc" DLC just proves more to me how little you know about this topic. I don't mean to be a jerk but it is annoying when people that know nothing of the topic feel the need to argue it as if they have all these "facts".
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As it stands - the game was reviewed based on what was released. Not future content. What was in the final game, was the final game. Nothing "should" have to be in the game when they never told us that it would be. It's an EXTRA. It's unnecessary.
In what realm of imagination is a product final because a review has been made? A review has no baring on the completeness of a product, ever, not even in medical trials. Hell, in most cases the review build of a game is even a good few months off from the version that will be pressed. A review is nothing more than a person or group's opinion on something they've experianced, reading any more into it than that is not rational.

Moving on, I find it awesome you call this DLC "extra" as well as "unnecessary". The two words go well together in that extra material is often also unnecessary and as such, tossed away or left unused. That simplifies DLC very much to what it is. If it's unnecessary then why is it even there to begin with? If it was worth being a part of the game then isn't releasing it now instead of it being a part of the base game akin to them releasing, to consumers, a game they (Capcom/SlantSix in this instance) thought to be incomplete, or if you're head just turned red with fury, let's use the word "subpar"? Are you OK being sold a subpar product, all the while the seller is counting your hard earned money to the bank? I know I wouldn't buy a car without a muffler or any item that is standard for a modern new car to come with, at full price. I don't care what excuse they gave me.

You see the now beloved DLC model is very different from the model of old, expansion packs. Back in the day this stuff modern gamers refer to as "DLC" used to be free content delivered to us in a patch. Because it was unnecessary, because it wasn't meaningful in anyway, it wasn't worth selling to us, but it was worth giving to us as a token of generosity for our support; for us to keep playing their game and keep buying their products. Expansion packs were actual meaningful add-ons. They continued a story, expanded the lore and world into things that would likely not be written as "one-offs", but would contribute to the growing of a game. They most always often held content worthy of their price tag as well. So forgive people that hate DLC; they're either tired of getting nickled and dimed to complete their $60 game, or they're not happy as a consumer as to what their precious hobby's industry has turned in to.

In the end neither you nor the people who dislike and discredit DLC are completely wrong. It's like having an opinion.


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You have to admit the timing is very poor. The way I see it, this game was very subpar. If they use the excuse of, "well, one team finished their work and instead of sending them home we found a use for them!" (the usual early release to day 1 DLC excuse) then I think, well, since the game is subpar, could it have been better if these people were distributed to other areas, at the very least, to some form of extra quality control? Extra, unnecessary content be damned, I want a base that's good, not a game that's eventually decent 6-7 months later and after having spent another $20-30.

Later content releases (some months after release) do not fall under this accusation as often. It's quite obvious the studio, at this point, thought they gave it their all and are now trying to further enhance or prolong the experience.


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It's been proven on so many occasions I can't believe people would bother to defend Capcom on it anymore. Here's a listing for you, Google at will: Resident Evil 5 Versus Mode, MvC3 characters (Jill and two other I believe, at least her and one other), UMvC3 even releasing for one, and doing it again for two, of course the SFxTekken deal, and then possibly the worst of all (though in no relation to DLC) in order to prevent used games sales of RE: Mercs 3D they made the save files 100% permanent and each cartridge can only have the one allotted file. The whole DLC thing is really the tap that cracked the egg shell with Capcom, there is much more to all this anger with them than that.

And you can bet your tail most all DLC is at least being planned during the base development cycle. People are eating it up, so for them it's easy money. They can give you only what you need in the base, the bare minimum to get you by (which is proving to be decreasing), then get even more out of you at a later date. It's just smart business decisions since the massive will buy it. Not only that, but DLC is often seen as an obligation to people. I know I hate it when I own a game and there is more content to it than I have, it's not complete. This is a psychological notion you can bet they're very much aware of and using to their advantage, which again, is just good business.

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So, I was one of the people who was trying to support this game since it came out, mainly because I am a big fan of Capcom, plus I did enjoy the game and thought it was nice they were adding a "Free" DLC. Well everyone was saying oh, it's not going to be free just wait, and they were right. That's a dirty little thing they did there. Telling us they're going to release the other side of the campaign as DLC for free, and we come to find out only 1 chapter is free. It's pretty sad, and as much as I want to I just can't support them on this anymore. Everything they've released as DLC is kind of obvious that it was in the game beforehand. Don't comment saying "Blame Slant Six" because I enjoy the game, I don't like that Capcom is releasing the content as paid DLC that should have came with the game. Just a rant

Most of these video game development companies like Capcom and such have seen the avenue of 'DLC' as a quick and easy cash grab. They purposley leave out content and then release it a few weeks after the game has been released in the form of 'DLC' and make you shell out around 800MS points for it.

It's dodgy, yes. But it's just the way it is nowdays. Accept it.
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Most of these video game development companies like Capcom and such have seen the avenue of 'DLC' as a quick and easy cash grab. They purposley leave out content and then release it a few weeks after the game has been released in the form of 'DLC' and make you shell out around 800MS points for it.

It's dodgy, yes. But it's just the way it is nowdays. Accept it.
No. This is most end users view of how companies see DLC and how they nickle and dime everything. But there is no fact behind your statement with the few examples of actual developer saying, "Oh, I did that on my game. Why not?" - but one bad egg doesn't spoil the whole lot of them and people need to stop looking at it like that.

Nothing in this game was "left out" per the original introduction of the game and what the user would encounter playing it. So assuming otherwise is just flat out wrong without some support to back it up.

Most companies see DLC as a way to expand the life cycle of the game. People buy it, people like it, people want more. Is DLC bad or shady? God no. Especially in a society where it is becoming more common practice to re-release the same title with minor tweaks every single year for $60. That's absurd. More so when they also are releasing paid DLC for that title on a regular (or semi-regular) basis leading to the next game. That's money-grabbing.

And I'm not talking about the one-shot 'Special Editions' or 'Game of the Years' or 'Ultimate'. I'm talking about the flat out - here's another 4 hour Campaign and new maps/kill streaks/altered weapons... btw, for $15 you can now buy 5 maps from the last game we hope you also bought.

DLC is a good thing because companies that use it correctly to expand the experience aren't misusing it. ORC didn't promise a Spec Ops Campaign would be in the game when it was released. They did promise to make one as DLC and offer the first chapter free - which they did.
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Old 04-26-2012, 02:15 AM   #22
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No. This is most end users view of how companies see DLC and how they nickle and dime everything. But there is no fact behind your statement with the few examples of actual developer saying, "Oh, I did that on my game. Why not?" - but one bad egg doesn't spoil the whole lot of them and people need to stop looking at it like that.

Nothing in this game was "left out" per the original introduction of the game and what the user would encounter playing it. So assuming otherwise is just flat out wrong without some support to back it up.

Most companies see DLC as a way to expand the life cycle of the game. People buy it, people like it, people want more. Is DLC bad or shady? God no. Especially in a society where it is becoming more common practice to re-release the same title with minor tweaks every single year for $60. That's absurd. More so when they also are releasing paid DLC for that title on a regular (or semi-regular) basis leading to the next game. That's money-grabbing.

And I'm not talking about the one-shot 'Special Editions' or 'Game of the Years' or 'Ultimate'. I'm talking about the flat out - here's another 4 hour Campaign and new maps/kill streaks/altered weapons... btw, for $15 you can now buy 5 maps from the last game we hope you also bought.

DLC is a good thing because companies that use it correctly to expand the experience aren't misusing it. ORC didn't promise a Spec Ops Campaign would be in the game when it was released. They did promise to make one as DLC and offer the first chapter free - which they did.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:39 PM   #23
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Come on dude, wake up to yourself.
Come on dude, learn about something before you criticize it or make false claims.

Seriously, you can moan and complain all day and all night but it doesn't make you right. And if you dislike it - don't buy it. But don't call every company evil simply because they're willing to spend time and money to release more content that you CAN buy as an extra. They aren't forcing you. It shouldn't have any effect on the overall game to you in the end but people make it out to be so much more than it is when they have the option to just ignore it and not buy it.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:26 AM   #24
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You would have to admit though that it's a bit strange (to say the least) that dlc is announced before the game is even out.. Ever since this new 'Call Of Duty Generation' has infested xbox live companies have turned to more quick money methods rather than quality games and loyalty to their fans.

I've noticed many new changes to the video game world in the last year or so... like: these new 'online passes', announcing dlc before the game is out, that dlc then get's put onto the market place a week to month later after the game hits, what the hell is up with that? Let's not forget the awesome giving exclusive content away on the market place like preoder bonuses and limited edition content, what a slap in the face.. and now the 'unlocks' on discs. I myself am not completely affected negatively to the point to cry about it, but it sure as hell has been annoying.

Let me emphasize that this is my opinion and stating things from experience and observations IS completely what everyone is entitled to.... Personally I think (notice “I think”) that the whole unlocks on disc is a somewhat money scam. I first experienced this with Gears Of War 3, but it's probably happened before I just didn't notice/remember. My first reaction of the locked content on disc was; “hmm seems weird that 5 multiplayer maps would be 100 kbs”, after talking to my brother we determined that the content is already on disc your just getting a “key” to unlock it, what would be the reasoning for this? And why now? And why only the first dlc? With an example like Gears Of War they were already done with the first few dlcs (including the free one ) before the game released, and don't the season pass seem like a jolly great idea to make even more cash? yeah let's see.... a couple of lame weapon skins a little bit of a touch up on the colors of already released characters and then calling them “new costumes/skins” just because of ooh I don't know slightly bluer pants or a shade darker clothes and some of those characters were preorder bonuses and the whole thrash ball Cole special unlock was a huge disappointment.. and oh yeaah remakes of maps I bought on gears 1 and 2. Damn it must have taken epic forever to create huh?

The sad thing about so called dlc of this time, is the quality has gone down, you get more glitchy bugged filled dlc that's rushed, no patches to follow and it's overpriced.. You get what? a FRACTION compared to the game when you buy dlc, but yet you pay close to 10-25% of the original game price. I've never really had problems with dlc or pricing/paying and don't get me wrong I've brought 100's of dlcs, all because I have to get everything for games that I love-(which is most)

The worse part about it is I've been a loyal hardcore fan of many of my favorite game companies and series/franchises, some over 10 years now and it's sick to see some of them turn to the Activision way by beating the cash cow to the bone.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:49 AM   #25
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Good grief does Deltakappaecho work for capcom? I have never seen such cheerleading for a company and defending of ridiculous things.

Firstly the specs ops 'DLC' was at the very least finished by the end of January. As proven by 360a itself. The entire campaigns achievements were already fully implemented and this only happens when something is finished. You can't simply press the jewel button and see achievements on unfinished games. So two months before the games release and at least a month before it went gold this content was already finished.

Considering games are usually only finished around a month before release (you stated 3 months! LOL!) they were clearly ready. If you want proof games finish a month before release. Halo 3 went gold in August 2007 and was released September 2007. That is also a game where MILLIONS of copies had to be ready first day. For smaller titles they can actually only leave a few weeks as long as everything has been well scheduled.

Also the DLC was clearly not intended to be included with the game as Capcom love to rip people off. However I would say it was advertised to be included in the game and considering it is vital to the 'story' of the game, was planned to be removed and sold separately on purpose. When I say it was advertised to be in the game what I mean is some of the trailers for RE:ORC make it seem like the SPEC OPS are also main characters. Which to me implies they will have a campaign.

You keep stating you know the industry but you clearly have no knowledge of it at all. Heck you don't even realise that MvC3 and SFxT have the full characters on disc. Capcom itself came forth and admitted this, users have unlocked them and their FULL movesets are in place etc.

Oh and you are right. The game was reviewed on what was released..... and got dreadful reviews as well as comments about the short campaign.
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No. This is most end users view of how companies see DLC and how they nickle and dime everything. But there is no fact behind your statement with the few examples of actual developer saying, "Oh, I did that on my game. Why not?" - but one bad egg doesn't spoil the whole lot of them and people need to stop looking at it like that.

Nothing in this game was "left out" per the original introduction of the game and what the user would encounter playing it. So assuming otherwise is just flat out wrong without some support to back it up.

Most companies see DLC as a way to expand the life cycle of the game. People buy it, people like it, people want more. Is DLC bad or shady? God no. Especially in a society where it is becoming more common practice to re-release the same title with minor tweaks every single year for $60. That's absurd. More so when they also are releasing paid DLC for that title on a regular (or semi-regular) basis leading to the next game. That's money-grabbing.

And I'm not talking about the one-shot 'Special Editions' or 'Game of the Years' or 'Ultimate'. I'm talking about the flat out - here's another 4 hour Campaign and new maps/kill streaks/altered weapons... btw, for $15 you can now buy 5 maps from the last game we hope you also bought.

DLC is a good thing because companies that use it correctly to expand the experience aren't misusing it. ORC didn't promise a Spec Ops Campaign would be in the game when it was released. They did promise to make one as DLC and offer the first chapter free - which they did.
Not that I am defending this game. But I do agree with your sentiment about DLC. People look at it pretty harshly but there are some developers out there who do it splendidly. Rockstar comes to mind, so does Bethesda. Capcom though really gives it a bad name.
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Hey guys i read the whole thing(yes it was long) and all of you forgot one specific point... PRICE DROPS !

I rented ORC when it was release... i usually don't do that(renting) cause im slow at doing game, i play an hour a day, take my time, im more a versus guy, so what i do usually is buy the big multiplayer hit(GOW, COD etc) and wait for the other games til they are 10-15$ cause i don't feel a 8 hour campaign is worth putting 60$ on... only to try to sell it 2 months later and they will give you 15-20$ at best. But ORC it was a RE, i wanted to do it, but i knew the i would hate the MP(and i did) but wanted to do the campaign so i rent for a week, cost 10 bucks, and guess what, i had time to complete it(the story i mean, not the GS) and for me that was pretty much it with this game. Now im waiting for it to drop at a small price so i can add it to my RE collection... BUT i want to do the DLC right? More achievements, new story and all. But look at this... i will pay the DLC a full 800 x2(or 1200, not sure how the dlc cost) just for the DLC, wich will be around 30$ when i will have paid the full game 15$...

They push DLC these days because DLC pretty much never drop price, exeption of DOTW that last only a week, just a way to force you to buy when your not really ready, but you say to yourself... oh ill save some bucks so you buy. You end up like me having DLC i never did because i haven't even started the main game... So they sell DLC at a full price that never drop when the game itself drop.

I love achievements, but i feel those DLC add on with achievements are probably the worst scam lately with all these online pass and disc locked content and such...

Look at back then, major MP games had DLC but it was worth it, the game where popular, and it gave us stuff to enjoy again our game. GOW1 was a brillant exemple, they gave us 2 maps free so we had something fun and new while waiting for the DLC, then they released it 4 MAPS/800 pts wich is very fair. They even gave it for free once the game was old and washed up, i didn't have any problem with that cause it was old. And the game capped at 1250 GS

But do you see this these days? Hell no, they make DLC faster than lightning, even EPIC that i praised for GOW1 above released 1 locked on disc content, and all of there DLC in the first 6 months or the game release... I brough season pass cause i love GOW, but damn please can i get tired of playing the same maps before you release new ones? I mean all these 2 maps in just 6 months? Thats dumb. They should had wait til like now to release the second DLC... but no wait, righ the next game is already schedule for a release in march or april... hell not even a year and a half after the release of the previous one... TSSSSS

Or look at COD, biggest money scam, i counted that and if i wanted all achievements for the game, i would had to pay over 60$ worth of DLC... so the price of the full game, only to have maps that would be useless to be in a couple months because the one will be out and a couple of specs ops i would mainly do only because i want the achievements... I had 1000 in both COD4 and COD6, but this time i was like "screw it" , i don't play enough COD online to be worth spending 60$ on DLC... hell no game should have you pay 60$ for DLC that will be worth only a year of play... If a COD life spam would be 2 or 3 years then maybe... but its already enough we have to pay 60$ every year for 4 hour 20 mins campaign(i took my time...) and a multiplayer map pack with a slight update from the previous game...

Back then DLC meant something, these days even sideline game that are not meant to be big have DLC... just to make you keep them instead of selling and making you buy the full price DLC

And as for stores, im for the used game market, thats how stores make there money and thats how they manage to offer a wide variety, cause if stores would be just like toy r us or whatever place they sell only new game, we wouldn't had a choice like we have now of buying old games and such. Yeah they can be griddy when paying back a game to a consumer, but you have to sell it quick after the game is release, cause if its worth 25$ they wont give you much cause they need to make money out of them.

Personally thats why i hate online pass wich is trying to kill used game market and if the next gen is DDL only, there is a big possibility i will stop gaming also. I own a great collection of games, i still have all my old resident evil on shelves, and im glad i can plug my old dreamcast and play them if i want to... With the xbox, if you change xbox, you can not even play your OWN DLC unless your connected or you do a liscence transpher... SO if in 10 years my xbox break, i get a new one, i could maybe not be able to play again as liscence transpher may not be avalaible for older stuff anymore... So thats why i hate this. Its like music or movies, i never paid for a download, either i buy in store a boxed version, or i download it free from torrents.

And im not really a renter, i think in the last year i rented 2 games... but DDL would also kill the renting game industry, wich would suck. Think about it, would rent a game like SKYRIM? no unless you just want to try it because its too big, too long, so if a developer put effort to make a great game, people will buy it. But a small 8 hour campaign, anybody can do that in a week if they like gaming, so of course they will go for a rent.
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Go easy on them. They have to keep ripping people off because of the Tsunami in Japan more than a year ago, am I right?
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So, I was one of the people who was trying to support this game since it came out, mainly because I am a big fan of Capcom, plus I did enjoy the game and thought it was nice they were adding a "Free" DLC. Well everyone was saying oh, it's not going to be free just wait, and they were right. That's a dirty little thing they did there. Telling us they're going to release the other side of the campaign as DLC for free, and we come to find out only 1 chapter is free. It's pretty sad, and as much as I want to I just can't support them on this anymore. Everything they've released as DLC is kind of obvious that it was in the game beforehand. Don't comment saying "Blame Slant Six" because I enjoy the game, I don't like that Capcom is releasing the content as paid DLC that should have came with the game. Just a rant
I agree completly you point of view...
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