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Old 10-23-2011, 11:56 AM   #1
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'Growing Club' Achievement Guide

Achieve a club value of 85,000,000 coins.

OK, so this one popped for me last night and I'll tell you how to do it. I will tell you the best method, how much it costs and also how much you're going to lose after you've got the achievement.

It is important to realise that this money you use in the club value achievement is INVESTED and never USED up - Cards you send to your club can always be re-sold and discarded. I will explain this in more deatil further in the thread.
I am going to show you two methods;

Method 1
You need to invest in this achievement. You will be buying shiny gold/silver cards @ 650-700 each (Gold) or <400 each (Silver), then sending them to the club.


Gold Method

Set the search up to BIN @ 650/700 then buy all the gold shinys. If you're unsure on who you've already bought then just buy them anyway and discard if necessary as you only lose about 1-100 coins max as were buying @ no more than 700ea.
Another way to do this is search for 'Gold players' who's current bid is 650 or less. I found a ton of gold shinys this way and ensured they were mine buy putting a 700 bid on them.

Each shiny gold has an approximate value of 240k~ when stored in the club.

Buying shiny golds @ 650:

240k (Value of card in club) x 355 (Amount of cards we need) = 85,200,000.
Therefore, 355 (Cards) x 650 (The price we buy them at) = ~231k(Coins needed)

Buying shiny golds @ 700: 355 x 700 = ~249k (Coins needed)

Therefore, you need between 230k-250k to start this method.


Projected losses on Gold Cards

Once you have the achievement you need to make some money back..Discarding an 80+ rated gold shiny player usually gives you 648 coins, so if you can purchase these for 650 (Which you can) then you are only losing 2 coins per card. If you are getting gold shinys rated 75-80 you get an average of around 620 coins when discarded (600 for 75's, 640 for 80's), which is an average loss of about 30 coins per card.

355 (Amount of cards we need) x 30 (Our average loss per card) = Projected total loss of 10,650 coins using this method.



Silver Method

I searched for BIN @ 400 coins and bought all the silver shinys. Another alternative is to search for current price 200/250 and bidding 250/300 on the shiny silvers as you usually can get shiny silvers for quite cheap. You could even make a profit.

Each shiny silver card adds roughly 180k to your club value.

Buying @ 400:180k (Value of card stored in club) x 473 (Amount of cards we need) = 85,140,000.

473 (Cards) x 400 (Cost) = 189,200 (Total cost)

Buying @ 250/300:

473 (Cards) x 275 (Average cost of buying 250/300) = 130,075 (Total Cost)

You will need between 130k-190k to start using this method.

Losses

I do not reccommend discarding silver cards as you dont get a return on your investment and can lose about 150 coins per card if you buy @ 400 each. Leading to a loss of 150 coins per card or 70,950 coins total.

If you buy @ 400, instead, relist the items for 300 starting & 350 BIN if you want a quick sale. This reduces your total loss and you only lose 50/100 coins per card,leading to a total loss of just 35,474 coins.
If you bought @ 250/300 each your total loss will be either nothing (reselling @ same price), small (presuming you discard them all) or a small profit (reselling them @ 350/400 each). Even discarding cards you bought for 250 can reduce losses to <10k.

(Remember EA take 5% off you when you sell cards)

Conclusion

It is extremely easy to buy shiny gold cards and discard them rather than buying/selling shiny silvers. It is also a lot faster. However, you need less money to start off to get the achievement if you're using silver, which is why I included it.

Method 2 (Bronze cards)


Sub-Method 1

Buying bronze packs can help you with the 100 packs achievement and also help you towards to club value achievement, although I dont reccommend it.

A normal bronze card adds only 35k~ to your club value
A shiny bronze card adds 100k~ to your club value.

I wont be doing the maths for this as it's extremely cost-uneffective compared with method 1.

Sub-Method 2

Buying bronze shinys adds 100k to your club value, if you're lucky you can buy these cards @ 200/250 each on the market if you search current price 200.

If you buy at an average price of 250 then it will cost you 212,500 coins for the achievement. You will also have a shit-load of bronze cards (850) to get rid of and they are harder to sell than any other cards.

Discarding them gives you less than 50 coins so you could lose over 150k with this method if you discarded them all! Although theoretically if you're prepared to sit and sell them all for 250 coins you wont lose much.

*NOTE* I have not added the 5% EA take off you when selling cards into any equations. Bare this in mind if you are selling your silver/gold cards after you get the achievement. This is another reason why I reccommend doing the gold method and discarding the cards after.


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so:
Bronze Normal = 35k = 2,428 Bronze Normal Cards Needed
Bronze Shiny = 100k = 850 Bronze Shiny Cards Needed
Silver Normal = 66k = 1,288 Silver Normal Cards Needed
Silver Shiny = 180k = 472 Silver Shiny Cards Needed
Gold Normal = 108k = 787 Gold Normal Cards Needed
Gold Shiny = 240k = 354 Gold Shiny Cards Needed

Players overals also effect ie. 75 Normal gold = 108,000 where as a 76 Normal Gold = 114,500

I hope this helps

Here is a way to boost the method;

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Ok so this is probably the worst achievement in the game, first off. If anybody is grinding their way towards this, collecting every player they come across; this is for them. This will only boost your progress to 85 mill more than likely as there is only a certain amount of bronze players in the game.


When searching for ways to make fast money in UT, I came across a video that showed a loophole into gaining on average 400 coins in 5 mins.

I recently started doing this, but then stopped as i'd rather play the game than grind out all the hub stuff on my laptop and xbox.

All you have to have is a second LIVE profile (silver/free is all you need) and access to the Web app at the same time as your xbox.

Start up an ultimate team on the 2nd profile on the xbox, send them to trade pile and trade them with cheap cards eg bronze cards on your actual profile from the web app

When done, delete your second profile UT and rinse and repeat

I am currently on 84 million and I have boosted to this from about 55 million. Each time you send the bronze squad over you get on average 1 milllion extra added to your club value.


The guide is slightly outdated now, here is a more recent method by Boomerang Cat:


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To add the extra 47,000,000 worth of Value to my Club I've done a quick count and I bought 256 Rare Shiny Silver Players in a few hours at an average of around 265 Coins per Player for a Total of around 67,840 Coins.

Each Rare Shiny Silver Player added an approximate average of 182,000 in Value to my Club.

Afterwards these Players can be Discarded (via Quick Sell) for between 259 Coins for Rare Silver Players Rated at 74, or 228 Coins for Rare Silver Players Rated at 65. Average Quick Sell Price = 243 Coins.

At an average of 243 Coins per Quick Sell compared to the average price I paid for each Player 265 Coins, this means that I would only lose out on around 22 Coins per Player, 22 x 256 = 5,632 Coins.

I hope this helps, as Rare Silver Cards can now be more cheaply than when this Guide was first put together

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Old 10-23-2011, 12:08 PM   #2
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Thanks, this will be very handy
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I found best way was to search for bronze rares at 150 every couple of hours, usually find between 8-20 if you search all the way.
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Old 10-23-2011, 12:21 PM   #4
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I found best way was to search for bronze rares at 150 every couple of hours, usually find between 8-20 if you search all the way.
This guide is aimed more at people who want the achievement quickly =P

Also, I dont think bronze is the best way to get the achievement anyway, far too much time consuming for me.
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So when you sell or discard a card, it doesn't come off your club value?
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Old 10-23-2011, 01:43 PM   #6
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So when you sell or discard a card, it doesn't come off your club value?
Of course it does. You sell/discard the cards after you have got the achievement.
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Of course it does. You sell/discard the cards after you have got the achievement.
Ah ok, just got a bit confused, probably read something wrong. lol.
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Old 10-23-2011, 11:12 PM   #8
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Achieve a club value of 85,000,000 coins.

It is important to realise that this money you use in the club value achievement is INVESTED and never USED up.
This sentence is kind of confusing. It sounds like you are saying that even after a card is sold it still counts to your club value.
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:55 AM   #9
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Got my club value up to 74.5 mil so far, using the helpful advice above.

Hopefully I'll get the chevo in the next day or two, then I can SELL, SELL, SELL
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Old 10-24-2011, 10:27 AM   #10
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Nice Guide.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:10 AM   #11
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This sentence is kind of confusing. It sounds like you are saying that even after a card is sold it still counts to your club value.
I dont think so.
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I dont think so.
Oooh controversial :P
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Oooh controversial :P
Well if you read the sentence after im sure it clarifies everything, i've even added a hyphon to show the sentences are interlinked.
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Thanks for the post BIGbivvie, this has really helped.
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Well if you read the sentence after im sure it clarifies everything, i've even added a hyphon to show the sentences are interlinked.
I understood the sentence perfectly, I was more having a poke at him than you tbh
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I've been going for this achievement the last few days and it's turning into a real grind!

Started off with a club value of around 8 million, which I've managed to turn into 41 million in about 3 days which isn't bad going. The problem I have now having used up my surplus coins is that I can't generate any more cash without playing matches so in using all the coins I'm making from games, on average about 500-700 per 15-20 minutes of playing, this is turning into a slow process.

I know that I could make a couple of hundred thousand by selling a few of my main squad, players like Torres, Modric and Y Toure but I don't really want to do that for sentimental reasons! Most of my first choice squad have played well over 100 games for me so I wouldn't like to lose the stats, even though I could probably make a profit by buying them back after I get this achievement.
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Is there really any major difference on the rating of the players I buy? When I've been buying 150 coin silver players for example I've tended to go for the 70-74 rated ones, but other than potentially recouping a bit more when I get rid of them is there much difference to the club value between adding a 73 player and a 66 one?
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I've been going for this achievement the last few days and it's turning into a real grind!

Started off with a club value of around 8 million, which I've managed to turn into 41 million in about 3 days which isn't bad going. The problem I have now having used up my surplus coins is that I can't generate any more cash without playing matches so in using all the coins I'm making from games, on average about 500-700 per 15-20 minutes of playing, this is turning into a slow process.

I know that I could make a couple of hundred thousand by selling a few of my main squad, players like Torres, Modric and Y Toure but I don't really want to do that for sentimental reasons! Most of my first choice squad have played well over 100 games for me so I wouldn't like to lose the stats, even though I could probably make a profit by buying them back after I get this achievement.

Hi John, you do realise that players you send to your club can be taken out after you have the achievement, and discarded or re-sold.

So sell your whole team if you need to and buy them back once you've got the achievement. Like I said it only costs ~10k if you do the gold method which I showed everyone - and its really fast too

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I understood the sentence perfectly, I was more having a poke at him than you tbh

I see, lol.


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Thanks for the post BIGbivvie, this has really helped.
You're welcome.
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Is there really any major difference on the rating of the players I buy? When I've been buying 150 coin silver players for example I've tended to go for the 70-74 rated ones, but other than potentially recouping a bit more when I get rid of them is there much difference to the club value between adding a 73 player and a 66 one?
Not really. But better off getting gold players as it's less of an effort. Sell your team like I explained in the post above if the achievement means a lot to you, if it doesnt just carry on at the rate you're going, lol.
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Hi John, you do realise that players you send to your club can be taken out after you have the achievement, and discarded or re-sold.

So sell your whole team if you need to and buy them back once you've got the achievement. Like I said it only costs ~10k if you do the gold method which I showed everyone - and its really fast too




I see, lol.
Yeah I'm well aware of the methods and I've been using them, and I know I'll get my money back, having no problems finding loads of golds for 300 coins and silvers for 150. I've got over 400 players in my club now but I'm only just over half way to the achievement.

Like I said, I'm only using match coins to fund my buying now. I might just have to put sentiment out of the window and sell my first choice players for a cash injection just to get this cheevo, but I'd rather not! Depends how frustrated I get...
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Yeah I'm well aware of the methods and I've been using them, and I know I'll get my money back, having no problems finding loads of golds for 300 coins and silvers for 150. I've got over 400 players in my club now but I'm only just over half way to the achievement.

Like I said, I'm only using match coins to fund my buying now. I might just have to put sentiment out of the window and sell my first choice players for a cash injection just to get this cheevo, but I'd rather not! Depends how frustrated I get...
Put sentiment out of the window. I did.

Now i'm buying back a decent team and its a lot of fun
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so:
Bronze Normal = 35k = 2,428 Bronze Normal Cards Needed
Bronze Shiny = 100k = 850 Bronze Shiny Cards Needed
Silver Normal = 66k = 1,288 Silver Normal Cards Needed
Silver Shiny = 180k = 472 Silver Shiny Cards Needed
Gold Normal = 108k = 787 Gold Normal Cards Needed
Gold Shiny = 240k = 354 Gold Shiny Cards Needed

Players overals also effect ie. 75 Normal gold = 108,000 where as a 76 Normal Gold = 114,500

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so:
Bronze Normal = 35k = 2,428 Bronze Normal Cards Needed
Bronze Shiny = 100k = 850 Bronze Shiny Cards Needed
Silver Normal =
Silver Shiny = 180k = 472 Silver Shiny Cards Needed
Gold Normal =
Gold Shiny = 240k = 354 Gold Shiny Cards Needed

how much are each normal gold and silver card worth in your club?
I'll check when I get home. If anyone can post with this info until then it would be really helpful.

I would imagine gold normal will be between 180k - 200k? (maybe less)
And silver between 100-150k
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As far as I've seen, normal gold cards are worth around 100k, maybe a shade over. Certainly nowhere near 180-200k


Edit - I've just added a 75 rated normal gold to my club, and the value increased by exactly 108,000

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Normal silver rated 66 - added 66,326 to club value
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As far as I've seen, normal gold cards are worth around 100k, maybe a shade over. Certainly nowhere near 180-200k


Edit - I've just added a 75 rated normal gold to my club, and the value increased by exactly 108,000
same and thanks for replying i have completed the list now well except for informs
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Just sold Gervinho for 19k to fund some more buying, so after tax that means I can add another 60 x 300 coin golds and boost the club value by another 6.5million!

Buying a lot of duplicates now though.
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Just sold Gervinho for 19k to fund some more buying, so after tax that means I can add another 60 x 300 coin golds and boost the club value by another 6.5million!

Buying a lot of duplicates now though.
dont forget overal counts aswell. for gold normalis its 108k + 6.5k more for each 1 overal higher it is
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By far the best way of doing it is to search bronze players at 150 (200BIN) and just go through pages bidding 150 on each player. I have 400 rare bronze players at my club and im at 60mil. In total this method will cost you around 92k. You can make your money back aswell by selling the players afterwards as they do sell.
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so:
Bronze Normal = 35k = 2,428 Bronze Normal Cards Needed
Bronze Shiny = 100k = 850 Bronze Shiny Cards Needed
Silver Normal = 66k = 1,288 Silver Normal Cards Needed
Silver Shiny = 180k = 472 Silver Shiny Cards Needed
Gold Normal = 108k = 787 Gold Normal Cards Needed
Gold Shiny = 240k = 354 Gold Shiny Cards Needed

Players overals also effect ie. 75 Normal gold = 108,000 where as a 76 Normal Gold = 114,500

I hope this helps
I'll add this info to the first thread. Thanks.
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