Bootsy83 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 First off im new here, so heyyo Down to business. Im trying to get this cheevo and i have a very specific situation. My Miranda isnt loyal anymore, and ive tried the suicide mission multiple times but cant come up with the correct combination. First off, is it possible with her being the only non-loyal memeber? If it is, what combination do i use to "hide" her so she or others wont die. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky08 Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 There's plenty of guides on this on the web but when i did it i had everyone loyal. I seem to remember a guide saying only choose Miranda or Garrus to lead your squads so in your case i'd choose Garrus. As Miranda isn't loyal its likely she or someone else won't make it if she leads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickdraw Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 First off im new here, so heyyo Down to business. Im trying to get this cheevo and i have a very specific situation. My Miranda isnt loyal anymore, and ive tried the suicide mission multiple times but cant come up with the correct combination. First off, is it possible with her being the only non-loyal memeber? If it is, what combination do i use to "hide" her so she or others wont die. Thanks. hm i assume you lost her loyality in the fight with jack?, seems common to loose it with one of them, you can fix it with high para and renegade, if you don't have enuf there's talent to increase the amount you have by 20% maybe? should push it over the edge if your just short i think you need like 90% to fix that issue. i used this method to fix he loyalty and it went fine, im sure ive seen mentioned of people doing it with non loyal members, but this was back when the game had just come out something is prolly more certain by now, make sure your using the right combo for leaders and special job people, with her being unloyal i wouldn't pick her to lead a team, and i wouldnt have her with you on the final battle if shes unloyal, but maybe nothing happens then if she isn't, i never tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inert Posted September 8, 2010 Share Posted September 8, 2010 I don't mind copying and pasting. Inert's No One Left Behind Achievement Mini-Guide (Actually, just Ecael's, but not as good.) Have the three Ship Upgrades that matter: Multi-core Shielding: Tali Thanix Cannon: Garrus Modular Armor: Jacob (L) = Loyal (U) = Unloyal Tech Specialist: Tali(L), Legion(L) or Kasumi(L) Alternate Leader: Garrus(L), Miranda(L) or Jacob(L) Escort: Anyone who is loyal, preferably one of the four characters with the weakest defensive score: Mordin, Jack, Tali or Kasumi. Biotic Shield: Samara/Morinth(L), or Jack(L) Alternate Leader: Garrus(L) or Miranda(L or U) Hold the Line! You'll be picking two people to go with you to fight the last boss. These two MUST be loyal, and preferably should have the lowest defensive scores. Everyone who remains must hold the door. It is here where you can lose loyal squadmates, and it is all based on a simple formula: Add squadmates defensive scores, then divide by number of squadmates. If your average defensive score if greater than 2.0, no one will die, including unloyal squadmates. Squadmates values: 4 Points: Grunt(L), Zaeed(L), Garrus(L) 3 Points: Grunt(U), Zaeed(U), Garrus(U) 2 Points: Legion(L), Thane(L), Miranda(L), Jacob(L), Samara/Morinth(L) 1 Point: Legion(U), Thane(U), Miranda(U), Jacob(U), Samara/Morinth(U), Mordin(L), Tali(L), Jack(L), Kasumi(L) 0 Points: Mordin(U), Tali(U), Jack(U), Kasumi(U) This means that you could save everyone even with two unloyal squadmates. Also, note that it is actually better for you to send back an escort than not to, as it can improve your overall average by getting rid of one of the weaker crew. Example: Let's say Miranda is not loyal. Tech Specialist: Tali Alternate Leader: Garrus Escort: Mordin Biotic Shield: Samara/Morinth Alternate Leader: Garrus (again) Boss Fight Team: Jack and Tali Hold the Line: Grunt +4, Zaeed +4, Garrus +4, Thane + 2, Jacob +2, Legion +2, Samara/Morinth +2, Kasumi +1, Miranda +1(U) Total Points: 22 Total Squadmembers: 9 Total Hold the Line Score: 2.4 - Everyone lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagSpring Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 finally got this one last night, i dont know why i had trouble with it but i had 1 non loyal member and it kept ruining it for me. now for insanity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutomaticUzoy Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 finally got this one last night, i dont know why i had trouble with it but i had 1 non loyal member and it kept ruining it for me. now for insanity... whew! insanity eh? good look on the collector vessel! just finished insanity yesterday btw just in time to finish the new dlc as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickdraw Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 whew! insanity eh? good look on the collector vessel! just finished insanity yesterday btw just in time to finish the new dlc as well. don't remind me of the collector ship, the horror, the horror! and to inert that was a really helpful post, helped me fully understand how it works, ta muchly . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic Grunge Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 and to inert that was a really helpful post, helped me fully understand how it works, ta muchly . Seconded, explains why my Tali died, I thought she got infected from the romance! Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootsy83 Posted September 9, 2010 Author Share Posted September 9, 2010 Thanks guys for the help..i got it last nite. Dang Miranda, i had to hide her in the lineup...shes all "let me help" i said peace to you, unloyal piece of _______!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaggyMuffin Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 How do you get the hull upgrade from Jacob? Is it missable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inert Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 How do you get the hull upgrade from Jacob? Is it missable? Investigate -> Upgrades Same is true of all characters and is available the second they are recruited. If the upgrade option is not present, it means you've already upgraded, and subsequently asked about the upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldWombat Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Investigate -> Upgrades Same is true of all characters and is available the second they are recruited. If the upgrade option is not present, it means you've already upgraded, and subsequently asked about the upgrade. The upgrade option during conversation will only come up after you recruit Mordin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inert Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 The upgrade option during conversation will only come up after you recruit Mordin. You don't recruit Mordin first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldWombat Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 You don't recruit Mordin first? I do but it isn't required to recruit him first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mKin Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 I don't mind copying and pasting. Inert's No One Left Behind Achievement Mini-Guide (Actually, just Ecael's, but not as good.) Have the three Ship Upgrades that matter: Multi-core Shielding: Tali Thanix Cannon: Garrus Modular Armor: Jacob (L) = Loyal (U) = Unloyal Tech Specialist: Tali(L), Legion(L) or Kasumi(L) Alternate Leader: Garrus(L), Miranda(L) or Jacob(L) Escort: Anyone who is loyal, preferably one of the four characters with the weakest defensive score: Mordin, Jack, Tali or Kasumi. Biotic Shield: Samara/Morinth(L), or Jack(L) Alternate Leader: Garrus(L) or Miranda(L or U) Hold the Line! You'll be picking two people to go with you to fight the last boss. These two MUST be loyal, and preferably should have the lowest defensive scores. Everyone who remains must hold the door. It is here where you can lose loyal squadmates, and it is all based on a simple formula: Add squadmates defensive scores, then divide by number of squadmates. If your average defensive score if greater than 2.0, no one will die, including unloyal squadmates. Squadmates values: 4 Points: Grunt(L), Zaeed(L), Garrus(L) 3 Points: Grunt(U), Zaeed(U), Garrus(U) 2 Points: Legion(L), Thane(L), Miranda(L), Jacob(L), Samara/Morinth(L) 1 Point: Legion(U), Thane(U), Miranda(U), Jacob(U), Samara/Morinth(U), Mordin(L), Tali(L), Jack(L), Kasumi(L) 0 Points: Mordin(U), Tali(U), Jack(U), Kasumi(U) This means that you could save everyone even with two unloyal squadmates. Also, note that it is actually better for you to send back an escort than not to, as it can improve your overall average by getting rid of one of the weaker crew. Example: Let's say Miranda is not loyal. Tech Specialist: Tali Alternate Leader: Garrus Escort: Mordin Biotic Shield: Samara/Morinth Alternate Leader: Garrus (again) Boss Fight Team: Jack and Tali Hold the Line: Grunt +4, Zaeed +4, Garrus +4, Thane + 2, Jacob +2, Legion +2, Samara/Morinth +2, Kasumi +1, Miranda +1(U) Total Points: 22 Total Squadmembers: 9 Total Hold the Line Score: 2.4 - Everyone lives! Thank you so much!! I had Miranda Unloyal and I did exactly as you posted and worked!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonDuffeh Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I don't mind copying and pasting. Inert's No One Left Behind Achievement Mini-Guide (Actually, just Ecael's, but not as good.) Have the three Ship Upgrades that matter: Multi-core Shielding: Tali Thanix Cannon: Garrus Modular Armor: Jacob (L) = Loyal (U) = Unloyal Tech Specialist: Tali(L), Legion(L) or Kasumi(L) Alternate Leader: Garrus(L), Miranda(L) or Jacob(L) Escort: Anyone who is loyal, preferably one of the four characters with the weakest defensive score: Mordin, Jack, Tali or Kasumi. Biotic Shield: Samara/Morinth(L), or Jack(L) Alternate Leader: Garrus(L) or Miranda(L or U) Hold the Line! You'll be picking two people to go with you to fight the last boss. These two MUST be loyal, and preferably should have the lowest defensive scores. Everyone who remains must hold the door. It is here where you can lose loyal squadmates, and it is all based on a simple formula: Add squadmates defensive scores, then divide by number of squadmates. If your average defensive score if greater than 2.0, no one will die, including unloyal squadmates. Squadmates values: 4 Points: Grunt(L), Zaeed(L), Garrus(L) 3 Points: Grunt(U), Zaeed(U), Garrus(U) 2 Points: Legion(L), Thane(L), Miranda(L), Jacob(L), Samara/Morinth(L) 1 Point: Legion(U), Thane(U), Miranda(U), Jacob(U), Samara/Morinth(U), Mordin(L), Tali(L), Jack(L), Kasumi(L) 0 Points: Mordin(U), Tali(U), Jack(U), Kasumi(U) This means that you could save everyone even with two unloyal squadmates. Also, note that it is actually better for you to send back an escort than not to, as it can improve your overall average by getting rid of one of the weaker crew. Example: Let's say Miranda is not loyal. Tech Specialist: Tali Alternate Leader: Garrus Escort: Mordin Biotic Shield: Samara/Morinth Alternate Leader: Garrus (again) Boss Fight Team: Jack and Tali Hold the Line: Grunt +4, Zaeed +4, Garrus +4, Thane + 2, Jacob +2, Legion +2, Samara/Morinth +2, Kasumi +1, Miranda +1(U) Total Points: 22 Total Squadmembers: 9 Total Hold the Line Score: 2.4 - Everyone lives! Thnx for the help this worked for me too i doin another play through or 2 anyway but now i dnt have to talk to everyone possible to stop miranda and jack arguing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gone Rampant Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 First off im new here, so heyyo Down to business. Im trying to get this cheevo and i have a very specific situation. My Miranda isnt loyal anymore, and ive tried the suicide mission multiple times but cant come up with the correct combination. First off, is it possible with her being the only non-loyal memeber? If it is, what combination do i use to "hide" her so she or others wont die. Thanks. Gone Rampant's Guide for NMLB for idiots: First off, your gonna want to upgrade these three Normandy items before the mission: Armour: Where to go? Go to Jacob for the Armour. What about those big guns? Garrus has the tech for the job. And the shielding: Who do I recruit? Could it be anyone else but the Quarian? Tali has the shields. Also make sure you head for the mission RIGHT after the Collectors take the crew. After you get to the base, here's what you do: Vent Crawller: Tali, Legion or Kasumi can go through the vents without getting a missle to the face. Fire Team Leader: Garrus, Miranda or Jacob can do it, but since your Miranda isn't loyal, stick with Garrus and Jacob. Biotic Leader: Jack or Samara/Morinith are the only two characters who can do the deed. Second Fire Team Leader: See above with "Fire Team Leader" And if I make it through all this, with no-one dead, then what? Save before you finish the biotic walk, as this will be important. I'd take Miranda with me against the Reaper, but if she dies in the end, go back to the save you made, and leave her with the team. If she still doesn't survive... your screwed. This is Gone Rampant, and I hope you use this guide well. Peace man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTGMx INF3RNO Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 For everyone to survive they all have to be loyal simple. Talk to her on the normandy and do her quest very easy. and then have samara do the shield. tali in the pipes. send noone back and thane and miranda in your squad. garras as another leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3DDERS Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 this thread helped me too, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venner Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongooli P5 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thank you soooooo much inert, got it right after reading your post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeXuZ Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Just finished it and got the cheevo. Thanks a lot inert! The suicide mission + ending was epic! Now give me ME3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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