iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 First of all, I did this mission with an unloyal Tali and unloyal Miranda (I took Legion and Jack's side). Also I was playing on casual. For the vents I picked Legion. Fireteam squad Leader (both times) I picked Garrus. Following me was Jack and Mordin. ---Everyone survived this part--- Next I picked Grunt to escort. For the barrier, I picked Samara. Following me was Jack and Mordin. ---Everyone survived this part--- I thought I heard Joker and EDI say that everyone made it back alive, but I didn't get the achievement. I look at my squad and somehow TALI DIED! How? I did everything right and it didn't even show her dying. I didn't use her for anything. Help is appreciated :/ BTW I have a save right before I did it so I can go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakeryfreshgame Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 This should tell you everything you need to know to get everyone to survive... basically it involves some math and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niko da bos Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 EDIT : lol ninja'd. the link for socbioware flow chart is very helpful. especially if you are looking for particular ending (IE everybody but shep dies). well, since everybody was all gravy until the end im assuming it was the "hold the line" team. when heading off to the final boss fight, make sure you leave a good number of strong squaddies to watch your back. what i always do is have mordin escort chakwas + kelly to the normandy, as he tends to ironically suck at the "hold the line" firefight. he is guaranteed to suceed in the escort if you have him loyal however. anybody who is not loyal, will be subject to dying during the suicide mission (atleast from what i understand). so regardless of tali not having a particular job, she died because she was not loyal to shepard. NOTE : as far as the seperate save you made, you can complete all the LM's before going to the suicide mission now (ensuring that you get nobody left behind). im wondering if you saved AFTER or BEFORE attaining the reaper IFF. beware, because if you already have the IFF, then your crew will be abducted after 1 mission nomatter what. you can still do as many missions as you please, but when you get to the collector base all of your crew minus chakwas will be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 This should tell you everything you need to know to get everyone to survive... basically it involves some math and stuff. I got to the last part and it's too much math . Explain? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 EDIT : lol ninja'd. the link for socbioware flow chart is very helpful. especially if you are looking for particular ending (IE everybody but shep dies). well, since everybody was all gravy until the end im assuming it was the "hold the line" team. when heading off to the final boss fight, make sure you leave a good number of strong squaddies to watch your back. what i always do is have mordin escort chakwas + kelly to the normandy, as he tends to ironically suck at the "hold the line" firefight. he is guaranteed to suceed in the escort if you have him loyal however. anybody who is not loyal, will be subject to dying during the suicide mission (atleast from what i understand). so regardless of tali not having a particular job, she died because she was not loyal to shepard. NOTE : as far as the seperate save you made, you can complete all the LM's before going to the suicide mission now (ensuring that you get nobody left behind). im wondering if you saved AFTER or BEFORE attaining the reaper IFF. beware, because if you already have the IFF, then your crew will be abducted after 1 mission nomatter what. you can still do as many missions as you please, but when you get to the collector base all of your crew minus chakwas will be dead. I did everyones loyalty missions, but due to the Tali/Legion conflict and Jack/Miranda conflict, Miranda and Tali became unloyal. I do not have enough paragon points to make them loyal again. And I saved after. But I thought it was confirmed that I only needed my crew (Jack, Miranda, Garrus, Legion, etc.) needed to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeyehicks666 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 I did everyones loyalty missions, but due to the Tali/Legion conflict and Jack/Miranda conflict, Miranda and Tali became unloyal. I do not have enough paragon points to make them loyal again. And I saved after. But I thought it was confirmed that I only needed my crew (Jack, Miranda, Garrus, Legion, etc.) needed to survive. no everyone needs to survive & anyone not loyal has a 98.9% chance of dying no matter what. if you don't get it don't worry you can catch it on the insanity playthrough. P.S. IT ALSO HELPS IF YOU HAVE THE DLC CHARACTERS ZEHEED & KASUMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeRugburn Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 When you get caught between two characters you need to choose the neutral option so neither gets pissed at you. Siding with one over the other will make the other disloyal, or not loyal rather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 So. . .regardless if my whole squad survives, I won't get the achievement because my crew got abducted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niko da bos Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 So. . .regardless if my whole squad survives, I won't get the achievement because my crew got abducted? cant confirm that, as i have always saved my entire crew (with exception of my first PT). if you finish the crew loyalty missions in a strategic order you can easily get them all loyal at the end. save jack/zaeed/legion (IFF) untill you have a higher morality score. ^^^ obtain a higher morality score by chatting with your crew inbetween missions, or choosing para/renegade options more frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 So can someone tell me what order to do the loyalty missions in for my next playthrough? Also, what is it about the Reaper IFF? I know I have time to do one mission after my crew gets abducted by the reapers, but how do I know when my crew will get abducted by the reapers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 Also, does your paragon/renegade reset everytime you start a new game? Even if I choose my ME2 one where I have around 80% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeyehicks666 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 So can someone tell me what order to do the loyalty missions in for my next playthrough? Also, what is it about the Reaper IFF? I know I have time to do one mission after my crew gets abducted by the reapers, but how do I know when my crew will get abducted by the reapers? after you acquire/activate legion edi will suggest that you use a shuttle for your next mission, this is when the abduction will happen usually as soon as you go to the starmap again. no it is not because they get abducted, it is because if you take too long to go after them they start to die. when you get to the collector base & find the people in the pods it should be the girl from the colony you see melt (i forget her name) if you see kelly or chakwas melt your screwed. in short when they get kidnapped, go straight to the relay after you secure the ship. save legions loyalty for last MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE SHIP UPGRADES!! HULL,SHIELDS,GUNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 5, 2011 Author Share Posted July 5, 2011 after you acquire/activate legion edi will suggest that you use a shuttle for your next mission, this is when the abduction will happen usually as soon as you go to the starmap again. no it is not because they get abducted, it is because if you take too long to go after them they start to die. when you get to the collector base & find the people in the pods it should be the girl from the colony you see melt (i forget her name) if you see kelly or chakwas melt your screwed. in short when they get kidnapped, go straight to the relay after you secure the ship. save legions loyalty for last MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE SHIP UPGRADES!! HULL,SHIELDS,GUNS. Thanks! But what order should I do the loyalty matters because I want everyone to be loyal (conflicts) Two more questions: Does renegade/paragon transfer to a new game if I transfer my ME2 game? Lastly, on loyalty missions, if the squad member wants to do something (IE kill someone) and I stop them to get paragon, will they be loyal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McGoogles Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Thanks! But what order should I do the loyalty matters because I want everyone to be loyal (conflicts) It doesn't matter what order you do the loyalty missions in. Two more questions: Does renegade/paragon transfer to a new game if I transfer my ME2 game? No it doesn't. Lastly, on loyalty missions, if the squad member wants to do something (IE kill someone) and I stop them to get paragon, will they be loyal? I don't think so. You can check to see if they're loyal or not via squad selection screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 It doesn't matter what order you do the loyalty missions in. No it doesn't. I don't think so. You can check to see if they're loyal or not via squad selection screen. I would like to know that last one for certain Because I think it was on the loyalty mission of Garrus, I had the option to warn the guy he was gonna get shot but I didn't because I didn't want to lose the loyalty of Garrus. Also do you recommend starting a new game, or should I just load a previous save where I don't even have everyone recruited yet? Does it matter? :ppp Sorry lots of questions.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 And what if I have 2 unloyal crew members (normal in squad selection) at the end of the game? It's hard to get EVERYONE loyal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZekkouAkuma Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 It's hard to get EVERYONE loyal.. Not really. =I Just takes some time and patience and running around. It's easier than most people make it out to be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'll try to get full paragon . Also, final comments/questions on behalf of myself, when I get the message about the IFF (where I get Legion) I should NOT do it until I have done everything else, correct? And after the cutscene of seeing the reapers drag my crew around, I have time for one mission (Legion's loyalty mission) to do before I MUST go through the Omega relay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZekkouAkuma Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I'll try to get full paragon . Also, final comments/questions on behalf of myself, when I get the message about the IFF (where I get Legion) I should NOT do it until I have done everything else, correct? And after the cutscene of seeing the reapers drag my crew around, I have time for one mission (Legion's loyalty mission) to do before I MUST go through the Omega relay? Absolutely correct. As soon as the IFF mission is available, do everything else first. Upgrades on the ship, missions for loyalty, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Absolutely correct. As soon as the IFF mission is available, do everything else first. Upgrades on the ship, missions for loyalty, etc... Thanks for the help, I truly appreciate it. Everyone else too. I had many questions, and you all helped me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 I loaded a previous save from way back in the game I was in, (I didn't do any loyalty missions and I didn't have everyone in my team). In fact, I already done the missions where you download data from the tower with all the husks. But I have about half a bar of paragon and almost half a bar of renegade. How much do I need to keep everyone loyal after all the fights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZekkouAkuma Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Do yourself the favor and go out and do missions. Interact with people/aliens. That's the only way you'll level up and get the +para/rene squad points along with increasing your para/rene. Play the game and you won't have any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakeryfreshgame Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Also choose paragon or renegade in the beginning of the game and stick with it because the charm checks for the loyalty of miranda/jack and legion/tali is based on a percentage of how many times you chose paragon out of the times you were given the option (same for renegade). Also for the part with the math on the flow chart, it basically does everything for you... the only thing I can think is send Mordin back as escort instead of Grunt as he has a high defensive score and take low defensive squad mates with you like Jack and Kasumi (if you have DLC). EDIT: Let me know if you have all the squadmates including Zaeed and Kasumi and I will do the math for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLLMATICxKiNG Posted July 7, 2011 Author Share Posted July 7, 2011 CHECK UP: So I have the mission to acquire the reaper IFF. I am waiting to do it until the end, correct? So right afterwards I can go through he Omega Relay? And I have time for ONE more missions after the reaper IFF, correct? (Legion's loyalty mission) PLEASE CONFIRM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakeryfreshgame Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Yes make sure you have every thing done you wanna accomplish, then do the reaper iff, talk to legion, do his LM then on to the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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