Vanilla Coke Zero Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 in the end of AC:B, Juno gives a cryptic message that desmond must find "her". but she also says "she is not who she says she is". at first, i thought it was lucy, but juno took control of desmond's body and stabbed her, so she is basically worthless to juno. my theory is that this "her" that juno refers to is eve, and desmond must find her in order to breed with her, and revitalize the race. it's convoluted, and there's a still a significant amount of information we don't know about those who came before. if eve is in fact alive, where the hell is she? does this mean that those who came before don't die from old age? remember that adam and eve are supposedly the off-spring of those who came before and humans. if this is true, it is very possible that ezio may still be alive. as well as altair. there is no records of their deaths. they're both descendants of the union between those who came before and people. could it be that all of the legendary assassins still live to this day, yet work in the shadows? it is a retarded theory on my part, but it would be interesting as hell. but then again, ezio showed signs of aging, so he's probably dead. but that still doesn't make sense. the "her" that juno refers to HAS to be eve... how has she stayed alive all of these years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflkatz Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 in the end of AC:B, Juno gives a cryptic message that desmond must find "her". but she also says "she is not who she says she is". at first, i thought it was lucy, but juno took control of desmond's body and stabbed her, so she is basically worthless to juno. my theory is that this "her" that juno refers to is eve, and desmond must find her in order to breed with her, and revitalize the race. it's convoluted, and there's a still a significant amount of information we don't know about those who came before. if eve is in fact alive, where the hell is she? does this mean that those who came before don't die from old age? remember that adam and eve are supposedly the off-spring of those who came before and humans. if this is true, it is very possible that ezio may still be alive. as well as altair. there is no records of their deaths. they're both descendants of the union between those who came before and people. could it be that all of the legendary assassins still live to this day, yet work in the shadows? it is a retarded theory on my part, but it would be interesting as hell. but then again, ezio showed signs of aging, so he's probably dead. but that still doesn't make sense. the "her" that juno refers to HAS to be eve... how has she stayed alive all of these years? I think the "her" refers to a direct descendant of eve not eve herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonyFob Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 how awesome would AC3 be if you worked with ezio and altair whilst playing as desmond? dya think "she" could be another descendant? OR... didnt juno say "find the sixth" so yea... "she" could be one of the sixth generation of eve... if that is even possible... but HEY! anything is possible in assassins creed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanilla Coke Zero Posted November 28, 2010 Author Share Posted November 28, 2010 I think the "her" refers to a direct descendant of eve not eve herself. for all we know there could be millions of descendants. juno was obviously referring to someone specific. what makes this specific one so special? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iToastMan Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 OR... didnt juno say "find the sixth" so yea... "she" could be one of the sixth generation of eve... if that is even possible... but HEY! anything is possible in assassins creed When juno say's about the '6th' doesn't she mean find the sixth sense that she explains as the extra sense that the 'ones that came before' I thought this would just mean the was the apple affects on desmond where in way 'unlocking' that sense every time he claims and apple in his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonyFob Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 now that makes more sense... goddd i cant wait for the next installment! I just want that assassins creed fix alredy and ive only just finished brotherhood! I honestly dont think they could do anythign wrong story wise with this game... anything would be plausible and awesome to boot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterKingz Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 When juno say's about the '6th' doesn't she mean find the sixth sense that she explains as the extra sense that the 'ones that came before' I thought this would just mean the was the apple affects on desmond where in way 'unlocking' that sense every time he claims and apple in his hands. Isnt the 6th Sense eagle vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ereaser NL Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Isnt the 6th Sense eagle vision? Well I think eagle vision is part of seeing. But she also mentions that ppl dont have knowledge. I asume knowledge of everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTGMx INF3RNO Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 If you remember desmond saw a vision of ezio and i quote " ezio retured here. He looks old very old" near the begginning of the game when i get to hideout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sk8er_0208 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 If Altair and Ezio where alive still there would be no need for Desmond re-living there 'Memories', also when your near the end of the game and the villa loses power Rebecca says something like '...Ezio would know, but theres one problem he's dead...' something along thoughts lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohioman101 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 If you remember desmond saw a vision of ezio and i quote " ezio retured here. He looks old very old" near the begginning of the game when i get to hideout That brings up another question, why did Ezio return to the villa when he got older? There's no way Ubisoft would add that scene for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamersdg Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 (edited) At the end Juno say and I quote "It is done. The way lies all before you. Only she remains to be found. Awaken the sixth. Go. ALONE!" It got me thinking a couple of things, that it means that your next ancestor is a female and that she is your sixth ancestor, or it could be a metaphor that Lucy has lost her ways and that Desmond need's to show her the way. As for when Ezio return to the villa at an old age was to leave the clue of where he put the Apple of Eden. Edited November 29, 2010 by Gamersdg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanilla Coke Zero Posted November 29, 2010 Author Share Posted November 29, 2010 If Altair and Ezio where alive still there would be no need for Desmond re-living there 'Memories', also when your near the end of the game and the villa loses power Rebecca says something like '...Ezio would know, but theres one problem he's dead...' something along thoughts lines. of course she's going to say he's dead. it's been hundreds of years, so she'd assume he died from old age. i'm not saying it's a fact that ezio is still alive, it's a retarded theory for sure. but ezio's fate, as well as altair's, are unknown. and besides, ubisoft could always pull something out of their ass to give an explanation as to why they'd still be alive. konami did it in MGS4 with big boss, and obsidian did it in New Vegas with Mr. House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daishichi Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I thought the whole "awaken the sixth" thing was about the sixth sense Juno talks about ("you had five senses, we had six"). I also assumed that was the Eagle Vision unique to the trueblood assassins. I must admit, this ending had me confused as hell. The end of ACII was more of a setup for future installments, and this one is a straight-up cliffhanger. We can speculate, but I don't think any of us can guess where they're going to go with this whole Eve and "your son" thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taiyz Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I think the motivation for Those Who Came Before is immortality. When you were in the cathedral at the end, she was talking about how they found a way to store everything eternally except for life. Then she mentioned a man a couple times, "he," "him," whatever, as the one trying to destroy them or some such. I'm starting to think that maybe Adam and Eve somehow found the secret to immortality, and possibly they were what started the templars and assassins respectively. I'm really no good at analyzing cryptic stuff and I keep second-guessing my thought process, but there's no reason not to post this either. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alien Nation Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 I believe that the ''Her'' is actually Lucy and that the only way to ''awaken'' her is to kill her so that she can be reborned again and thus unlock her genetic memories. If you recall in AC2 Ezio sees subjects 16s memories and they are set in the distant future or extremely distant past... The man and women running all over where refered to ''Adam and Eve'' which i always thought was wrong but more likely to be the worlds saviors from certain extinction. Of course they wouldnt repopulate, but just stop the catastrophie all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sk8er_0208 Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 That brings up another question, why did Ezio return to the villa when he got older? There's no way Ubisoft would add that scene for no reason. [spoiler=Unique ID]To carve the pyramid thingy and put the numbers inside it, so Desmond could find the password, for the vault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReverendSID Posted November 29, 2010 Share Posted November 29, 2010 That brings up another question, why did Ezio return to the villa when he got older? There's no way Ubisoft would add that scene for no reason. He returned to hide the clue to the apple's location. Think about it, there's no way he put that triangle with the eagle vision numbers under it on the wall when he was escaping the villa. but ezio's fate, as well as altair's, are unknown. They might not be explicitly known, but altair's fate is well hinted at in AC2. The last couple codex pages are clearly him as an old man approaching death and trying to resign himself to it. And frankly if Ezio's still alive 500 years later - Whatever Ubisoft's bullshit explination might be - I'm out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMartign Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 the she Juno refers to is not Lucy, as she said she is not present in the room with them. Also, does anyone remember the email from William M. to Lucy, the last one she receives? It seems like they knew something was going to happen when they found the apple, I just can't remember exactly what it said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munion420 Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 I forget her name, but in ACII they showed Altair's lover, and In AC:B they show the same type of flashback missions with Christina and Ezio. I was expecting that to lead into Lucy being to Desmond what those women were to his ancestor's, but then he stabs Lucy... My guess Is that the her is his love so that he can carry on the family line. What I really want to know is who spoke during the credits? It didn't sound like Shawn and before you become Ezio again it shows Desmond on the ground again. It just made me think of a crazy theory I had where at some point in the series we find out we are playing as some one else in an animus who is being Desmond going through the Animus and his adventures in the real world. But who did that voice belong to? Was it the William M.(?) from the emails or whatever his name was? Was he talking about putting Desmond back in the Animus or could it actually be some one else living Desmond's memories in an Animus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrossWinter Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 My whole theory about the end with Juno talking about 'her' corresponds with the belief that 'her' is supposed to be Eve's descendant. earlier, I read a theory of how Lucy was really a Templar or a hired agent, and that's why Juno made Desmond stab her, but I think it was merely supposed to dissuade Desmod from persuing a relationship with Lucy. Juno wants Desmond to choose his duty over love. As for William M. and the voice at the end of the credits, I side with the people who favor the voice as William M. and talking about Desmond. I don't remember seeing a map of the world at the end, werely a whole bunch of symbols. I think William is in fact Desmond's father and is ordering him to be put back in the animus (Just becuase Lucy got stabbed doesn't mean we've lost use of Shawn and Rebecca) so they can continue to search for the map for the temples. The reason why I don't think the whole 'Someone is living Desmond's memories' deal is right is because at the end of ACII, Minerva refers to Desmond directly, as if this whole situation falls on him. He is, after all, the descendant living in 2012, a prophicized year of destruction and cataclysm for the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xTGMx INF3RNO Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 The story is all about desmond. No one is living his memories.because like said above ^ minerva says to ezio about desmond as if she nos desmond can hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohioman101 Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 @Sk8ter and ReverendSID- completely forgot about that. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpb Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 (edited) I think the "Her" in reference has to be the other descendent... in the patient 16 flashbacks in AC2 we saw Adam and Eve fleeing some kind of production facility - I'm guessing Desmond is the descendent of Adam and we need to find Eve for whatever reason... There were lots of references to information that had been lost/hidden/destroyed from humans because we misused it in someway... perhaps when "Adam" and "Eve" descendent get together the answer will be revealed somehow? it requires both their DNA to open some answer? The symbols on display from the apple must also be important - Shawn said that you only see 2 of those symbols together once and then was cut off... so the combination of those 2 symbols must be important - does anyone remember what the 2 symbols were? One was the "Masonic Eye" which I assume is the All seeing eye you see on the $1 bill? The other meant "Freedom"... If the symbols referenced are real, then perhaps the combination of the symbols meaning is also real (i.e. not a game reference but actually a real theory they are using for the game)? If so we might be able to research the usage of the 2 symbols if someone can remember the other symbol? As for Lucy... The ones that came before said that we had to find "her" and that "she was not before us" - i.e. that one of the companions Desmond had with him was not "her" - so I assume they had Desmond kill Lucy as he had to be alone to find her... That Lucy would get in the way? Or that perhaps there's some reincarnation thing going on? (OK I'm stretching there...) The final part during the credits is concerning... It sounded like the Doctor from AC1 and Desmond groaning... and they told him to put him back in the animus in order to stabilize him... is it possible that Desmond never left the animus in the first game? that it is all a construct? Perhaps that Desmond has already done all this in the past already and they are digging it out of him? Edited December 2, 2010 by tpb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genesis Xbox Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I think the motivation for Those Who Came Before is immortality. When you were in the cathedral at the end, she was talking about how they found a way to store everything eternally except for life. Then she mentioned a man a couple times, "he," "him," whatever, as the one trying to destroy them or some such. The He/Him business was a personification of Time. She was saying that Time (he) would eventually destroy them, even though they could predict him and avoid him blah blah... I really hope it's not all one big construct, and Desmond is still knocked out in the first animus. That would be lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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