sharkhunter21 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 So, just finished episode one and enjoyed it. Playing as an alternate version of Comstock was great, and seeing what happened to 'his' Elizabeth was brutal. Was actually surprised to see Elizabeth get her revenge but I can't help but wonder if we'll be coming back to this Comstock in episode 2. Yeah he got a drill through the abdomen but you never know, and if not him, will it be another Dewitt/Comstock, or might we see through another character's eyes? Thoughts? Speculations? Other multi-verse theories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huskies13 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 uh yea I got to the end and saw that drill go thru and pretty much just looked on in amazement. Very curious how the part 2 will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis207 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Also I was thinking this is the same elizabeth from the columbia multi verse. She called the hook a skyhook and knew all about tears and seemed just to generally know too much. And if you look she has the same necklace you pick out for her in columbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZingZitang Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Considering its already been stated that we'll be playing as Elizabeth in Episode Two, I'm not sure we'll revisit this Comstock Version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggD Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Read an interview with Levine about Part 1 and he essentially said that this Elizabeth is important to Columbia and whatever is important will show up in Part 2. Seems kinda cryptic. Maybe we'll revisit Columbia next Episode, or at least get a glimpse through a cutscene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Well, my head explodes again. So this girl Sally is just a way for Elizabeth to show Comstock what he had done in the past. But I wonder if the Burial at Sea events happened AFTER the ending in Infinite. Cause we- Booker got smothered -> Comstock never existed again in any universes (that's what I heard from people reading Infinite book). How the hell Comstock was alive AGAIN in another universe to cause the tragic death to Anna? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercurse Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Hi my name's River, and I didn't even understand the ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCGIx PUNISHER Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Yeah I'm a little confused as well. I was also under the impression that Comstock stopped existing in all possible universes due to the ending of Infinite. Was also a little confused by the whole Anna getting her head cut off thing. I thought the point of Comstock taking Anna was because he didn't have his own daughter due to him impotence. But during his flashback, Elizabeth is right next to him while he's trying to pull the baby through? How does that make sense? My mind just massaged into submission and then fucked softly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReD S1X Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 my mind is totally mind blown but not in a good way since it has so much loop holes. this DLC makes the main Infinite ending with Elizabeth disappear in thin air like a continuation error. so who is this Elizabeth if it wasn't Anna? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCGIx PUNISHER Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 my mind is totally mind blown but not in a good way since it has so much loop holes. this DLC makes the main Infinite ending with Elizabeth disappear in thin air like a continuation error. so who is this Elizabeth if it wasn't Anna? At the end of Infinite you never see if "our" Elizabeth disappears with the rest of them or not. I've come to the conclusion that the Liz you see in this DLC is "our" Liz from the main game, meaning she survived. She's in this world to tie up a lose end and kill a Comstock that survived. How a version of Comstock survived is where I get confused though. Maybe somehow the technology he had helped him survive? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Out of topic: do you guys know where we can find the bucking bronco plasmid? I can't find it anywhere, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercurse Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 I got the impression that they were trying to be clever just for the sake of cleverness. They've earned substantial goodwill though, what with the ending of the main game, so I'm perfectly happy to see where it goes from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCGIx PUNISHER Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) This article gives a good explanation of what's going on: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-12-ken-levine-discusses-bioshock-infinite-burial-at-sea-episode-1-ending My guess is that most of our questions will be wrapped up with the conclusion of Episode 2, so I guess we'll just have to wait until then. Edit: And I believe I now understand why this version of Comstock was still alive. He went to the Rapture dimension (a world where Comstock never existed at all) before the end of the main game, so he was essentially "protected" by being present in another world at the time Elizabeth erased all other Comstocks. Edited November 15, 2013 by xCGIx PUNISHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 (edited) This article gives a good explanation of what's going on: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-12-ken-levine-discusses-bioshock-infinite-burial-at-sea-episode-1-ending My guess is that most of our questions will be wrapped up with the conclusion of Episode 2, so I guess we'll just have to wait until then. Edit: And I believe I now understand why this version of Comstock was still alive. He went to the Rapture dimension (a world where Comstock never existed at all) before the end of the main game, so he was essentially "protected" by being present in another world at the time Elizabeth erased all other Comstocks. Okay, that makes sense to me . But I still wonder why Liz showed up when we Comstock accidentally killed Anna? If it happened before the end of the main game, so when? Liz in the main game sticked with us all the time! Or maybe after the main game, our Liz came back to the past of this Comstock to prevent what he did to Anna but it didn't go very well. That's my theory Edited November 16, 2013 by sucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quid Squid Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Out of topic: do you guys know where we can find the bucking bronco plasmid? I can't find it anywhere, thanks When you get to the main area outside Bistro there is a pool of electrified water. Freeze the water and the plasmid is on the right side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squid5580 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Isn't it possible that Comstock survived the wipe of the end of Infinite because he was in a different time? Which would also explain why Liz took Booker there in the first place. She knew he was there but knew her actions wouldn't effect him so she would have to return to Rapture to erase the debt. Was there a Booker DeWitt PI office in either of the Bioshocks? I can't remember and be damned if I am gonna play 2 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCurry726 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Ok.....wow this was nuts but here's my theory/thoughts The Elizabeth here was the same one from the main game because of the necklace and the thimble on her finger. Also it's safe to assume she didn't disappear at the end of infinite because she is an entity free of time and space after the tear experimentation. This version of Comstock had seen the events of the main game in his "prophecy" and went to rapture and assumed the identity of his former self. Therefore the Comstock we see in the main game isn't the "real Comstock" but a result of a different timeline being created. This explains why killing him in infinite didn't end it all. Booker isn't the "real booker" in infinite either. He is a version that was created through a timeline split during his choice to give up Elizabeth/Anna....possibly? I'm a little shaky on Booker but Elizabeth and Comstock are pretty solid IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCGIx PUNISHER Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Ok.....wow this was nuts but here's my theory/thoughts The Elizabeth here was the same one from the main game because of the necklace and the thimble on her finger. Also it's safe to assume she didn't disappear at the end of infinite because she is an entity free of time and space after the tear experimentation. This version of Comstock had seen the events of the main game in his "prophecy" and went to rapture and assumed the identity of his former self. Therefore the Comstock we see in the main game isn't the "real Comstock" but a result of a different timeline being created. This explains why killing him in infinite didn't end it all. Booker isn't the "real booker" in infinite either. He is a version that was created through a timeline split during his choice to give up Elizabeth/Anna....possibly? I'm a little shaky on Booker but Elizabeth and Comstock are pretty solid IMO. Well there are literally infinite variations of Comstock and Booker. There really is no such thing as "real" Comstock or Booker. That is one thing that confuses me though. If there is a version of Comstock that survives, there has to be an incomprehensible number of Comstocks that survived. Hopefully this is something that gets addressed in Part 2. And all we know right now is that there are Comstocks that survived. The how is pure speculation at this point, but I think that article I posted makes a good case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Well there are literally infinite variations of Comstock and Booker. There really is no such thing as "real" Comstock or Booker. That is one thing that confuses me though. If there is a version of Comstock that survives, there has to be an incomprehensible number of Comstocks that survived. Hopefully this is something that gets addressed in Part 2. And all we know right now is that there are Comstocks that survived. The how is pure speculation at this point, but I think that article I posted makes a good case. Yup, reading the article you posted made it feel more comprehensible and I too agreed with your theory about this Comstock travelling to another timeline and universe before the end of Infinite so he could escape his demise. But there's still one thing I still wonder. It's our Liz from the main game. I guess she's also the Elizabeth in this DLC but why did she stand next to Comstock when he was grabbing Anna from Booker? And when did she do that? In Infinite, she stayed close with us all the time, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCGIx PUNISHER Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Yup, reading the article you posted made it feel more comprehensible and I too agreed with your theory about this Comstock travelling to another timeline and universe before the end of Infinite so he could escape his demise. But there's still one thing I still wonder. It's our Liz from the main game. I guess she's also the Elizabeth in this DLC but why did she stand next to Comstock when he was grabbing Anna from Booker? And when did she do that? In Infinite, she stayed close with us all the time, right? Hopefully it is something that will be explained in Episode 2, but I'm starting to think that our Elizabeth has basically reached God-like status and can exist in every timeline at once. I mean, she can SEE every timeline at the same time. That's what gives her the ability to open tears. She can see a timeline where that particular object exists in that area you're in and open up a portal to it. So surely she can make herself exist in every timeline all at once? Still a lot of questions obviously. CAN'T WAIT FOR PART TWO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralCurry726 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 The article was good! I should of read it first haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schism Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 At the end of Infinite, Booker talks about ending it before anything happens.."smothering him in the womb" ending comstock. What I didn't understand is if the booker/comstock is an alternate version..then why does he exist? When the Elizabeths drowned him at the end shouldn't that have ended it? And why go through all that trouble in the first place just to get him to realize what he had done, only to kill him. That sounds pretty harsh, considering how her personality seemed at the end of Infinite, just wouldn't take her as the "gah im going to travel to other universes and mindfuck Bookers/Comstocks make them realize what they did and have them killed". It just made it seem like it wasn't even the "main" Elizabeth. Not going to lie though, when the big daddy came out I was like O: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Hopefully it is something that will be explained in Episode 2, but I'm starting to think that our Elizabeth has basically reached God-like status and can exist in every timeline at once. I mean, she can SEE every timeline at the same time. That's what gives her the ability to open tears. She can see a timeline where that particular object exists in that area you're in and open up a portal to it. So surely she can make herself exist in every timeline all at once? Still a lot of questions obviously. CAN'T WAIT FOR PART TWO. Possibly. But why did other Liz in Infinite ending disappeard but our Liz didn't? I think the other Liz must have the powers like our Liz. That's why they can travel to our timeline at the end. Arggg, so much infinite possibilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xCGIx PUNISHER Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Possibly. But why did other Liz in Infinite ending disappeard but our Liz didn't? I think the other Liz must have the powers like our Liz. That's why they can travel to our timeline at the end. Arggg, so much infinite possibilities The others disappeared because they stopped existing. Our Elizabeth didn't (or so we assume) because, free of the siphon, she became almost omnipotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sucker Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The others disappeared because they stopped existing. Our Elizabeth didn't (or so we assume) because, free of the siphon, she became almost omnipotent. May be . That's what Irrational thought, we can have our own opinions . Hope they will make everything clear for all of us in Ep 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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