MC B0B x360a Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I have fuel and tyre sim on, in a Virgin at Bahrain I can go around 1:58/9 However 2nd season in the Ferrari I pulled a 1:55 in qualifying and 1:56/7 through the race. Everything is generally a little sharper in a better car adding up to a big difference. I imagine it will be even bigger at Red bull/Mclaren. thanks for the heads up. I will just put it on medium then for the first season and breeze through it. At least i know a better car will knock significant time off with a better car. My problem is i used the setups on the site that listed on this forum, but i dont have a wheel. It seems that setups for a wheel will make the car handle drastically different when driving with a controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Does the R&D stack? For example, you got that 20% upgrade, next season when you research downforce aero, will that add another 20%, or the same 20% on again? R&D upgrades do not carry across to the next season. Depending on your position in the Championship however, your car may perform better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I don't think it does.... Damn it! I just want to be able to research what I want for now. Fernando doesn't half research useless crap! thanks for the heads up. I will just put it on medium then for the first season and breeze through it. At least i know a better car will knock significant time off with a better car. My problem is i used the setups on the site that listed on this forum, but i dont have a wheel. It seems that setups for a wheel will make the car handle drastically different when driving with a controller. Wheel makes a big difference from what I see, but I've not used a controller on this game. Brad would tell you though, he's used both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 R&D upgrades do not carry across to the next season. Depending on your position in the Championship however, your car may perform better. So after a few seasons, I could make a Virgin car have better performance than the Red bull? Dependant on my results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 So after a few seasons, I could make a Virgin car have better performance than the Red bull? Dependant on my results. It's possible. In my current season (5) the Force India team is in third in the Constructors Championship. Teams can get better and worse as you progress through your career. If you stick with your starting team, they will eventually be able to rival the top teams. You can really feel the difference between seasons, when your car's performance has been increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 It's possible. In my current season (5) the Force India team is in third in the Constructors Championship. Teams can get better and worse as you progress through your career. If you stick with your starting team, they will eventually be able to rival the top teams. You can really feel the difference between seasons, when your car's performance has been increased. Is it like... The car will feel like it did at the end of last season, at the start of the next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Is it like... The car will feel like it did at the end of last season, at the start of the next? A lot better in my experience. I stayed with Lotus from season 1 to season 2 and the difference was like night and day. I had a couple of wins in my first season, but mostly mid pack finishes. Second season, I was on the podium every race. Steve Hood (IIRC) confirmed that the upgrades do not carry across between seasons, on Codemasters forum. I'm not pulling the info out of thin air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 A lot better in my experience. I stayed with Lotus from season 1 to season 2 and the difference was like night and day. I had a couple of wins in my first season, but mostly mid pack finishes. Second season, I was on the podium every race. Steve Hood (IIRC) confirmed that the upgrades do not carry across between seasons, on Codemasters forum. I'm not pulling the info out of thin air. Lies. Lies. Lies. I always get my info from thin air, it makes things more fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacteur Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I finally got this achievement, wow was not that easy Here is my final ranking: Me: 182 points Hamilton: 163 points Webber: 162 points Button: 161 points Alonso: 161 points ... Sorry for not recording every result, but I managed to be 1st in 5 races (Bahrein, Montreal, Valencia, Monza and Sao Paolo). Good luck to everybody who's trying to get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC B0B x360a Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I have fuel and tyre sim on, in a Virgin at Bahrain I can go around 1:58/9 However 2nd season in the Ferrari I pulled a 1:55 in qualifying and 1:56/7 through the race. Everything is generally a little sharper in a better car adding up to a big difference. I imagine it will be even bigger at Red bull/Mclaren. I cant figure this game out. My best lap ever in the vigin car at bahrain was a 1:59.xxx and most of my laps were above 2:00.xxx So last night i decided to give to load up bahrain on expert. Same car, same set up and i ran in the 1:56.1's and got pole. Even my slowest lap was faster than my previous fastest lap. Is still think i am going to do the first season on medium or hard because i dont know the tracks. Does anyone had a list of times that i can expect the top qualifiers to run for each track on expert. This way i can gauge how my times would compare if i bumped it up to expert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I cant figure this game out. My best lap ever in the vigin car at bahrain was a 1:59.xxx and most of my laps were above 2:00.xxx So last night i decided to give to load up bahrain on expert. Same car, same set up and i ran in the 1:56.1's and got pole. Even my slowest lap was faster than my previous fastest lap. Is still think i am going to do the first season on medium or hard because i dont know the tracks. Does anyone had a list of times that i can expect the top qualifiers to run for each track on expert. This way i can gauge how my times would compare if i bumped it up to expert. To be honest, that just sound like practice. Sounds like you've figured out the track and are cutting your times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC B0B x360a Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 To be honest, that just sound like practice. Sounds like you've figured out the track and are cutting your times. I hope your right. problem is i have only raced about 15 laps since i have gotten the game. (trying to finish modern warfare 2). I do agree with you though about getting better. My major problem with this game is the feel of the car. I am used to Forza where the cars are so smooth and easy to drive. I was surprised when i started this game how jerky, powerful, and aggressive the cars were. I was expecting an f1 car to handle with ease, but i guess i didnt take the massive power to weight ratio into consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I hope your right. problem is i have only raced about 15 laps since i have gotten the game. (trying to finish modern warfare 2). I do agree with you though about getting better. My major problem with this game is the feel of the car. I am used to Forza where the cars are so smooth and easy to drive. I was surprised when i started this game how jerky, powerful, and aggressive the cars were. I was expecting an f1 car to handle with ease, but i guess i didnt take the massive power to weight ratio into consideration. Changes to your set-up or assists should only really be giving you about 0.5secs per lap. Gaining 4 seconds+ per lap is just down to you. This also shocked me too, the main thing was the speed at which some of the corners can be taken. Like in Catalunya I'm thinking "I really should be braking now!!" but the car just keeps on gripping around the corners at full speed. You need to learn how to be smooth though, F1 is unlike any other race, for example on Bahrain you could easily push for a 1:53. But this is not sustainable as you will eventually crash due to how hard you're pushing. Whereas if you drop back and post consistent 1:56 every lap, you should keep the car on the track at a good speed. Consistency is key here. You don't have to win the race by 40 seconds, you just need to win. One thing you'll notice with this game though, when you turn the fuel consumption on and tyre wear. If you're on a long race(say 50%+) it amazes me how hard it is to be fast with a full fuel load, and how much the feel of the car changes through a single race! At the start of a race it's a struggle to keep the car going, but by the end the car has an almost "time trial" performance. I love this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daenius Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 (edited) I love this game. Except sometimes the AI just doesn't pit. Or sometimes you get held up by the lollipop guy in the pitlane for no reason at all. Or sometimes AI cars are not affected by tyre wear and fuel sim while yours is. Or sometimes the AI cars simply ghost through you when you're ahead of them and are about to enter the pitlane, therefore fucking up your whole race. Or sometimes the first person to cross the finishing line in qualifying gets about 30 seconds taken off his laptime, therefore making the whole qualifying session unnecessary. But other than that, I love it too Edited October 26, 2010 by daenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Except sometimes the AI just doesn't pit. Or sometimes you get held up by the lollipop guy in the pitlane for no reason at all. Or sometimes AI cars are not affected by tyre wear and fuel sim while yours is. Or sometimes the AI cars simply ghost through you when you're ahead of them and enter the pitlane, therefore fucking up your whole race. Or sometimes the first person to cross the finishing line in qualifying gets about 30 seconds taken off his laptime, therefore making the whole qualifying session unnecessary. But other than that, I love it too Yes but, these things haven't happened a lot to me and are about to disappear! So I still love this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daenius Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Yes but, these things haven't happened a lot to me and are about to disappear! So I still love this game. I have one more (just happened): You're faster than your teammate in qualifying, you're actually overtaking him on his fast lap while doing yours; and when you post a 1:20:000 at the end of the lap, he posts a 1:18:000. Now that is fucked up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFC2K6 Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 I have one more (just happened): You're faster than your teammate in qualifying, you're actually overtaking him on his fast lap while doing yours; and when you post a 1:20:000 at the end of the lap, he posts a 1:18:000. Now that is fucked up! That's because the AI qualifying times are generated by the game. There are only other cars on the track to give the illusion that they are actually setting those times. It's something to do with the accelerating time & "jump to track" functions why they made it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC B0B x360a Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 That's because the AI qualifying times are generated by the game. There are only other cars on the track to give the illusion that they are actually setting those times. It's something to do with the accelerating time & "jump to track" functions why they made it that way. is this getting fixed in the patch also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelton Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 is this getting fixed in the patch also? No, it is a design choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnace Inferno Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Spain - Q 1st | R 20th QT 1.27.800 RT 1.24.612 Horrible race bad crash, Are the A.I doing different things, i thought the times were simulated so would be the same across the board? On my 1st season at Cataluyna on Expert and full sim my qualifying time was a 1.24.8 which put me 12th, pole was a 1.22.xxx. I finished 20th going flat out lapping 1.25's on low fuel with the next slowest car doing 1.24's on a full tank and i only finished 20th because Vettel crashed out and 3 other cars got DSQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ferrari Posted October 30, 2010 Author Share Posted October 30, 2010 Are the A.I doing different things, i thought the times were simulated so would be the same across the board? On my 1st season at Cataluyna on Expert and full sim my qualifying time was a 1.24.8 which put me 12th, pole was a 1.22.xxx. I finished 20th going flat out lapping 1.25's on low fuel with the next slowest car doing 1.24's on a full tank and i only finished 20th because Vettel crashed out and 3 other cars got DSQ. What happened, Q1-2 was dry, Q3 was wet, I got the pole easily should have stated in the summary, pole would have been 1.21 based on AI lap times in Q1 and 2. But the race was bad, only due to my setup, I must have missed a flaw in my race setup, the car was great towards the end of the race, but by then it was no good. Stuck at Monaco now, need the patch to help me here for the win. hence no progress just yet. I will update the summary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnace Inferno Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 (edited) What happened, Q1-2 was dry, Q3 was wet, I got the pole easily should have stated in the summary, pole would have been 1.21 based on AI lap times in Q1 and 2. But the race was bad, only due to my setup, I must have missed a flaw in my race setup, the car was great towards the end of the race, but by then it was no good. Stuck at Monaco now, need the patch to help me here for the win. hence no progress just yet. I will update the summary.Ah ok, that makes sense i was starting to think my game was taking the piss with some ridiculous rubberbanding. Just won two back to back races at Istanbul in the rain and Montreal in my Lotus . The A.I are ridiculous though, i'm not sure if it is rubberbanding or they just push harder when you do to try and keep up, because i qualified on pole with a 1.17.2 (my opening flying lap to conserve the tyres) with the next best being a 1.18.1. Then in the race i was on it lapping 1.18.3 on the 2nd lap and then Alonso pulls out a 1.17.9 so next lap i do a 1.17.8 and start pulling away and get down to a 1.17.6 before i pit on lap 7 with my tires orange and started at 98%. Alonso, Hamilton, Rosberg, Button all stay out on the option for another few laps with Alonso lasting until lap 11 and Hamilton setting a new fastest lap of 1.17.5 on worn tyres. I just overtake Alonso as he leaves the pits and then both now on primes he starts dropping 1.17.9 bombs every lap and i'm now doing 1.17.8, it was just ridiculous, it took 5 laps of me putting out 1.17s and then a new lap record of 1.17.4 on primes before he relented and i started pulling away. Which is what makes me think it is A.I behaviour rather than rubberbanding. Granted i shouldn't be able to pull away in a Lotus anyway as the A.I are too slow around Montreal but still i shouldn't have to pull out qualifying times for 21 laps just to win by 5s. It makes it so difficult to relax into a rhythm when your on the absolute edge of control lap after lap. Qualifying times are always significantly slower than their actual race pace especially in the wet and you can tell they are going to be faster in the race because the cars lapping are absolutely flying. Edited October 30, 2010 by Furnace Inferno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f1ferrari Posted October 30, 2010 Author Share Posted October 30, 2010 I have now decided to put myself through this again, but i plan to take it too the extreme. 100% race distance on Expert, this being for my 7th and final season, hopefully also being my first with Red Bull. I am finishing my 5th now and have signed with Mercedes for season 6. I am also going to wait until the patch has been released for this. Should be interesting Looking forward to seeing your 100% results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnace Inferno Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 (edited) Well just finished up on my 1st season on Expert in the Lotus: W.D.C Me 234 Webber 224 Vettel 204 Hamilton 186 Alonso 183 Rosberg 163 Button 158 Massa 124 W.C.C Redbull 428 McClaren 344 Ferrari 304 Mercedes 256 Lotus 234 Toro Rosso 85 Force India 76 BMW Sauber 68 Stats Experience Level = 23 Best Grid Position = 1[x5] Podiums = 6 Best Race Finish = 1[x6] Race Wins = 6 Vs. Trulli Out raced: 17-2 Podiums: 6-0 Out Qualified: 19-0 Fastest Laps: 11-8 Championship Points: 234-0 Signed with Ferrari this year, wanted to go with Force India but i wanted the hot property achievement more and Force India were too low. Also notice in my Trulli stats how i crushed him in qualifiying but race pace, of which mine is around the same as qualifying, he was faster on 8 tracks. Edited November 5, 2010 by Furnace Inferno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furnace Inferno Posted November 5, 2010 Share Posted November 5, 2010 These are my rough positions as i'm not 100% sure on all of them: Sakhir - 4th Melbourne - 13th Kuala Lumpur - 6th Shanghai - 4th Catalunya - 20th (Trulli beat me) Monte Carlo - 11th Istanbul - 1st Montreal - 1st Valencia - 11th Silverstone - 4th Hockenheim - 1st Budapest - 15th (Trulli beat me) Spa - 1st Monza - 1st Marina Bay - 5th Suzuka - 7th Yeongam - 4th Sao Paulo - 4th Yas Marina - 1st Went into the last race with a 2 point lead on Webber expecting to finish second in the W.D.C as i qualified 4th with a 1.41.9 and Webber in 1st with a 1.41.2, though i wasn't 100% sure what would happen as no a.i driving around caught me in practice. In the end it was a comfortable victory, i was only lapping 1.43s and cruised the last few laps and still won by 8s. Had a little test drive of the Ferrari and Force India on the same track in timetrials and was lapping 5 seconds faster without trying, so i tried again in the Lotus and was doing 1.38s so it is useless for comparing times, they really need more stats in career mode. The outcome of winning was also a little disappointing i wanted more than just a few stats, there wasn't even a seperate interview just for winning . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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