darkandlong Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Sorry if this has been asked, but I'm trying to remain spoiler free until the suicide mission. Is the IFF mission the point of no return, or is using the Omega 4 relay my last chance to finish getting all allies and loyalites? Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xII Ben IIx Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dont enter the Omega 4 Relay. Once your in, theres no out, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cav Clayton Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 You need IFF for the last ally, however, you should do the new guy's loyalty mission quickly, because not long after teammates can die BEFORE Omega 4. (Assuming you didn't by all necessary ship upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skillet Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dont enter the Omega 4 Relay. Once your in, theres no out, That depends on your choices, I believe. If Shepard survives the mission and the Normandy is intact, you can continue playing after the suicide mission. But to be safe, I'd make sure to have all squad members and their loyalty missions finished before going through the Omega 4 Relay. Getting the Reaper IFF is not the end of the game. There's still a chance to tie up loose ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaFist Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 I'd recommend doing everything you want to do before going to get the IFF, but once you hit the Omega-4 relay you can't go back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deyankees1 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 That depends on your choices, I believe. If Shepard survives the mission and the Normandy is intact, you can continue playing after the suicide mission. Its true in my game Shepard survived actually everyone survived and the Normandy is intact and I got the option to continue to finish off missions and such. But yea for your best bet on surviving make sure everyone is loyal and that the Normandy has all the upgrades (Cannon, shields etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macho M. Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 IFF mission is the point of no return if you care about your crew. After it and completing some more quests, one particular event starts... if you take too much time to enter Omega 4 relay, you'll find your crew dead... by the way, this doesn't influence No One Left Behind achievement. Going through Omega 4 relay automatically launches the last mission. You can continue the game after clearing it, all who survive will stay. Still, there's little point in playing after that except for a couple of dialogues/scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkandlong Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 Thanks everyone - I've been buying all ship upgrades so far and based on the achievement's I've gathered that Shepherd and all my crew can/will die and I am looking forward to preventing that. I'll grab everyone before the IFF and make sure I get all the upgrades. Does the game force you to go to the IFF after getting the 2nd last ally? Or is it still voluntary/free roam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkeh111 Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Still free roam before the IFF definitely. I am not taking any chances and doing everything I can before I go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSYCHOTOMMY Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 IFF mission is the point of no return if you care about your crew. After it and completing some more quests, one particular event starts... if you take too much time to enter Omega 4 relay, you'll find your crew dead... by the way, this doesn't influence No One Left Behind achievement. Going through Omega 4 relay automatically launches the last mission. You can continue the game after clearing it, all who survive will stay. Still, there's little point in playing after that except for a couple of dialogues/scenes. i would like some clarification on this. when you go get the Reaper IFF and bring Legion on to the Normandy with you, can you activate him and do his Loyalty mission BEFORE the "one particular event starts"? i ask because when i played it, the one particular event started immeadiately after the Reaper IFF mission, as soon as i activated the galaxy map. this happened before i was able to do the last Loyalty mission. and as a result, several of the ship crew died during the last mission. did i just get ahead of myself with progressing the main story before finishing the Loyalty mission? i cant remember, but cant i tell EDI to wait with installing the IFF during the post Reaper IFF mission meeting in the comm room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cav Clayton Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) i would like some clarification on this. when you go get the Reaper IFF and bring Legion on to the Normandy with you, can you activate him and do his Loyalty mission BEFORE the "one particular event starts"? i ask because when i played it, the one particular event started immeadiately after the Reaper IFF mission, as soon as i activated the galaxy map. this happened before i was able to do the last Loyalty mission. and as a result, several of the ship crew died during the last mission. did i just get ahead of myself with progressing the main story before finishing the Loyalty mission? i cant remember, but cant i tell EDI to wait with installing the IFF during the post Reaper IFF mission meeting in the comm room? This is because there was no MAJOR quests left for you, so it automatically started the IFF mission. To prevent this, after getting the IFF, make sure you still have to do someone's loyalty quest (other than Legion's). After doing that loyalty quest, Legion will then want to speak with you. Do his loyalty and next time you go to the galaxy map it should start. Edited February 2, 2010 by Cav Clayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeySO Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Edited just in case spoiler. Edited February 2, 2010 by DopeySO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inked and Pierced Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 yes you will still be able to do legions loyalty quest after playing as joker....you can even continue further and do more side missions and quests. you actually have to manually ride over the omega 4 relay and push the button for suicide mission to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DopeySO Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Thank you very much! This is exactly the info I needed. Edited February 2, 2010 by DopeySO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X1ZOR Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) I'm still unclear as to the circumstances needed for everyone to survive because I did all loyalty missions, saving Legions for last, and after that I went into the omega relay playing on insanity. Then while on the last/suicide mission I chose jacob to go through the heat pipes. He made it all the way no problems, i opened all the valves for him, but during the cutscene a stray missile comes through the door as we are pushing it closed and it kills him. Same thing happens in the next cutscene as I chose Jack to lead the other team and she gets hit with a stray shot while the doors are closing and then dies. Can someone explain what I did wrong here or was I maybe just taking to long to get through the end section parts due to the fact that I was playing on insanity. I was wondering if maybe I got through those parts quicker on an easier setting if it would change the outcome. I don't know if that matters but I don't really have an explanation as I'm pretty sure I had all ship/weapon/power upgrades and loyalties before doing this mission. Edited February 2, 2010 by X1ZOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCor Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 X1ZOR, Loyalties and ship upgrades aren't the only determinates for survival. You need to use the correct specialists for each mission. Jacob isn't techie enough for going through the tubes and Jack doesn't have leadership experience to lead the second group. There are lots of guides out there now on good characters to use. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta438 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Speaking of upgrades, is it hard to obtain credits/resources in this game? I'm never really good at that stuff. =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esio gk Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Speaking of upgrades, is it hard to obtain credits/resources in this game? I'm never really good at that stuff. =/ I just started and I don't have any trouble finding cash and recources. I recruited few squadmates and i have over 200k credits, not counting money transfered from ME1. I have a question of my own. What are the events, that trigger 'one particular event' mentioned few posts above? Kelly is my love interest, and I dont want to lose her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILE1418 Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 You will lose kelly no matter what you do it is part of the story line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esio gk Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) You will lose kelly no matter what you do it is part of the story line. [spoiler=45vbh74bvhu] I know, that at some point Collectors abduct your crew. I've read on Mass Effect wiki, that if you go to Omega Relay immediately after this (without doing any more sidemissions) you can save them. The thing is, I want to have all upgrades and all loyalty missions before then (its because I want all my squadmates to survive). Thats why I want to know, when this happens, so that I can be prepared. Edited February 5, 2010 by esio gk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarknessKonsumz Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 You will lose kelly no matter what you do it is part of the story line. Not true. Kelly can survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkthunder Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Spoiler: Not true. Kelly can survive. This is correct, but the catch is that for her to be alive by the time you get to her, you have to start the Omega 4 mission as soon as you get it, which is pretty soon after the IFF mission. Technically, I think it's not right after the IFF mission itself, but immediately after the loyalty mission that you get assigned after you complete the IFF mission. So yeah, if you want the ideal PONR then do everything before the IFF. However, delaying it shouldn't affect your No One Left Behind achievement, nor the Suicide Mission achievement. It's the upgrades and loyalties you need for those achievements, so just get that all done before you jump into Omega 4 - and make a separate save before you go into Omega 4 too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esio gk Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Spoiler: This is correct, but the catch is that for her to be alive by the time you get to her, you have to start the Omega 4 mission as soon as you get it, which is pretty soon after the IFF mission. Technically, I think it's not right after the IFF mission itself, but immediately after the loyalty mission that you get assigned after you complete the IFF mission. So yeah, if you want the ideal PONR then do everything before the IFF. However, delaying it shouldn't affect your No One Left Behind achievement, nor the Suicide Mission achievement. It's the upgrades and loyalties you need for those achievements, so just get that all done before you jump into Omega 4 - and make a separate save before you go into Omega 4 too! Thanks for answering. So its like this: IFF mission--->one mission(Legion loyalty I assume)--->Normandy crew gets abducted. About achievements, I don't care about them, at least not on my first playthrough, I just want everyone to survive. About multiple game saves - I'm doing this after every major fight (in Fallout 3 I had over 700 saves and After Mass Effect 1 over 400 saves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug89 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Technically going through the relay is the point of no return, but you should do everything before getting the IFF. The ending of the game is changed depending on if you go through the relay as soon as it's available, or if you wait and do more missions. Edited February 7, 2010 by doug89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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