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AMG prices are ridiculous... like the LFA's.

 

AMGs are sedans and coupes. It doesn't matter how ridiculous you think the prices are that does not make it a valid point in comparison to a supercar. If you want to compare cars compare cars that are in the same market segment.

 

Everyone's a badge whore (even rice). Show me someone who isn't and I'll show you someone who doesn't care about cars.

 

Badge whores are the kind of people that look at a Hyundai Genesis and says "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai." The kind of person who disregards the hard facts about a car because of their ignorant view of the company that makes it. Someone who will buy a BMW instead of a better comparable car just because it's a BMW. Not everyone is a badge whore, only those who don't have any real knowledge about cars and are too ignorant to listen to another argument.

 

Koenigsegg and Pagani aren't an exercises in premium brand marketing from a big motor manufacturer.

 

Exactly, so they had even less credibility than Lexus when they first came onto the scene. People that look at Lexus and only have bad things to say are ignorant. They might be boring cars with soft suspensions but their attention to detail is undeniable. When they set out to do something they give it their all and make it the best that it can be, for the purpose it was meant for. That is what makes the LF-A so good. It's a no compromise track car with an interior that rivals the best luxury sedans with fit-and-finish that is beyond reproach.

 

Btw, kudos and heritage are not the same thing... that's why they're spelt differently.

 

Fine, want to be specific? I'll be specific.

 

Kudos

The idea that one brand is better than another simply because it is that brand. In other words, something only ignorant morons care about. It's not based on any real metrics of how good a car is.

 

Heritage

The reason 99% of people say Ferrari is better than Lamborghini. Because they're been in Formula 1 since the beginning and they have something like 16 Constructors Titles and that makes their cars faster around a track. How many of the people that spout that excuse are racing drivers? How many have even sat in a Ferrari or a Lamborghini? None, given both cars they'd all spin out in the first corner. It doesn't matter how much heritage one manufacturer has over another, you don't have the racing skills to take advantage of it. The people that care about heritage are the people that brag about F1 when they buy a Ferrari, the ones that actually bought the car for what it is don't brag, they just ask if you want to go for a drive and enjoy the car.

 

When Lexus first came onto the scene they were called overpriced Toyotas. Now they're one of the most respected luxury marques in the world and outsell all the Germans. Hyundai and Kia used to be pieces of shit that belonged in a scrap yard, now their quality rivals Honda and Toyota and they have some of the best designers in the industry. Companies change, unbiased people accept that, ignorant people keep spouting their stupid excuses.

 

Lexus (apparently) lose money on every LFA they sell... so from a business pov you'd have to give it to Pagani.

 

Toyota lost $2000 on every Prius for the first 2 years of production. They sell like crazy now and make them tons of money. Reputation and trust are the most important parts of the auto industry, if you have to sell at a loss for a while to bolster those that is what you do. It's a proven business tactic.

 

My three fave cars

 

Ford Escort (with Removed wing) & 240sx & Supra with removed wing

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I'm looking forward to trying out the removable spoilers. I don't really like the look of the R34 without the wing but I do agree that the MkIV Supra looks pretty badass without it. I also like the Evo without it.

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@ Skyline... Mate, you mentioned AMG's and BMW's M division. Don't jump out of your pushchair because of something you wrote.

 

Where did you get your definition of 'badge whore'? Someone who has a hard-on for Hyundai's is hardly gonna say "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai."

Badge whoring isn't exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace.

 

As for credibility!!! What are you on? Horacio Pagani Clearly has a PASSION for cars... Mr Ian Toyota (I might venture) probably has more of a passion for his bottom line, and an ear cocked at what his marketing men are telling him. Credibility indeed...

 

Talking specifics, especially where conjecture is concerned, is pointless. Kudos is most certainly not a measure of 'better' or even how good something is. Some things, no matter how good or how much better they may be than their rivals lack a certain soul... like the New York Yankees.

Lexus are a 'premium brand', not a luxury marque.

 

Oh, and at what point is the LFA going to be making money in it's run of 500?

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@ Skyline... Mate, you mentioned AMG's and BMW's M division. Don't jump out of your pushchair because of something you wrote.

 

Where did you get your definition of 'badge whore'? Someone who has a hard-on for Hyundai's is hardly gonna say "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai."

Badge whoring isn't exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace.

 

As for credibility!!! What are you on? Horacio Pagani Clearly has a PASSION for cars... Mr Ian Toyota (I might venture) probably has more of a passion for his bottom line, and an ear cocked at what his marketing men are telling him. Credibility indeed...

 

Talking specifics, especially where conjecture is concerned, is pointless. Kudos is most certainly not a measure of 'better' or even how good something is. Some things, no matter how good or how much better they may be than their rivals lack a certain soul... like the New York Yankees.

Lexus are a 'premium brand', not a luxury marque.

 

Oh, and at what point is the LFA going to be making money in it's run of 500?

 

Lexus is it's own brand, it used to be a subsidiary of toyota, but know it makes so much money it can stand alone. Obviously it is still owned by toyota, but it definitely is not a "premium brand". I own a 03' is300 (same one that's in the game) and it is one of the best cars i have ever owned. The creators of the LF-A were car enthusiasts obviously... the amount of performance coming out of it? come on.... It's automotive design perfection.

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Hey hey hey hey... calm down guys :)

Just a matter of taste! Everyone can drive what he or she likes, right?

No reason to start such a HUGE controversy!

 

I just mentioned the LF-A because I like such totally unreasonable cars which I won't be able to purchase or drive anytime! :/

But it was a mistake obviously. :(

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@ Skyline... Mate, you mentioned AMG's and BMW's M division. Don't jump out of your pushchair because of something you wrote

 

I mentioned AMGs and such as an example of a Halo car. That's what an LF-A is, the other luxury marques have them, Lexus needs them too. I never mentioned the cost, you're the one that started comparing them like that.

 

Where did you get your definition of 'badge whore'? Someone who has a hard-on for Hyundai's is hardly gonna say "Who cares, it's just a Hyundai."

Badge whoring isn't exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace.

 

Where did I say someone with a hard-on for Hyundai would bash the Genesis? The kind of person that does that judges the Genesis because of the badge it wears, that is a badge whore. They don't see a good sports car, they just see a Giant Hyundai logo. Never said it was "exclusive to any one part of the automotive marketplace" either, don't know you got that from.

 

As for credibility!!! What are you on? Horacio Pagani Clearly has a PASSION for cars... Mr Ian Toyota (I might venture) probably has more of a passion for his bottom line, and an ear cocked at what his marketing men are telling him. Credibility indeed...

 

Passion for a car does not make credibility. Toyota is one of the world's largest car manufacturers with (aside from the recent recall issues) a good reputation, that makes credibility. The Supra, the MR2, the Celica, the Corolla AE86, that is Toyota's heritage, that is their credibility. Pagani showed up 10 years ago with no reputation aside from some car designing in the past. Horatio has credibility now, because of what he did in the past decade, which is the exact thing Lexus is trying to do.

 

Talking specifics, especially where conjecture is concerned, is pointless. Kudos is most certainly not a measure of 'better' or even how good something is. Some things, no matter how good or how much better they may be than their rivals lack a certain soul... like the New York Yankees.

Lexus are a 'premium brand', not a luxury marque.

 

Lack soul? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you've driven an LF-A and found it had less soul than your Ferrari. No, what happen is you heard people like Jeremy Clarkson or some car magazine say it has no soul. But the simple fact is that any car with half the power would make you enjoy the experience. Those people drive these cars for a living, you don't. They have experienced "soulful" cars, you haven't. They can get away with the soul argument, you can't.

 

Oh, and at what point is the LFA going to be making money in it's run of 500?

 

Maybe you should go back and actually read my post that you quoted a while back where I mentioned the Lexus LS that does 200mph. The LF-A finishes at 500 units but leaves behind a bolstered reputation of knowing how to make a performance car. That paves the way for more of them, and those will earn profits. If you seriously think the LF-A is all there is from Lexus with regards to performance you really aren't keeping up with the latest news from the industry.

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Oh so now you're comparing AMG's to the LFA... confusing that.

 

I think you may be confusing badge whoring with badge snobbery.

 

Again, you brought up credibility. There's little doubt that Pagani and Koenigsegg want to build awesome cars, purely for the sake of building awesome cars. Lexus built the LFA to market the Lexus brand.

 

I didn't realise I had to fulfil certain criteria to (subjectively) find something soulful! If one is not allowed to have an opinion of something without experiencing it first hand then you really shouldn't be making any kind of argument either. Should you?

 

Mate, what are you on? 'If you seriously think the LF-A is all there is from Lexus with regards to performance you really aren't keeping up with the latest news from the industry'... seriously? I'm talking passion and you're wittering on like some Toyota PR drone. Brands like Lexus and Infiniti were specifically created to sell premium priced automobiles to Joe Public. If you think that gives their products kudos, soul, engenders passion and makes them the stuff of dreams then good luck to you.

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Hey hey hey hey... calm down guys :)

Just a matter of taste! Everyone can drive what he or she likes, right?

No reason to start such a HUGE controversy!

 

I just mentioned the LF-A because I like such totally unreasonable cars which I won't be able to purchase or drive anytime! :/

But it was a mistake obviously. :(

 

It's all good fun, mate :) ... no need for impersonation of Harry Enfield's scousers.

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@SuperSkyline89;4566393]

 

Oh so now you're comparing AMG's to the LFA... confusing that.

 

I think you may be confusing badge whoring with badge snobbery.

 

Again, you brought up credibility. There's little doubt that Pagani and Koenigsegg want to build awesome cars, purely for the sake of building awesome cars. Lexus built the LFA to market the Lexus brand.

 

I didn't realise I had to fulfil certain criteria to (subjectively) find something soulful! If one is not allowed to have an opinion of something without experiencing it first hand then you really shouldn't be making any kind of argument either. Should you?

 

Mate, what are you on? 'If you seriously think the LF-A is all there is from Lexus with regards to performance you really aren't keeping up with the latest news from the industry'... seriously? I'm talking passion and you're wittering on like some Toyota PR drone. Brands like Lexus and Infiniti were specifically created to sell premium priced automobiles to Joe Public. If you think that gives their products kudos, soul, engenders passion and makes them the stuff of dreams then good luck to you.

 

If you don't understand the concept of a Halo car you never will.

 

Badge whoring and badge snobbery are both ignorant views and in practice have no difference, differentiate them all you want but only an ignorant person believes in either.

 

Whether a car is soulful or not is something you experience while driving it. Calling a car you've never even touched let alone driven soulless is like calling a movie you've never seen bad. You can talk about performance because those are facts, soul is not a fact, it's an experience and until you've driven it you have no basis for any comments on that.

 

You haven't offered a single real reason that the LF-A isn't just as worthy of respect as any other supercar. You're against it only because it's a Lexus.

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If you don't understand the concept of a Halo car you never will.

 

Badge whoring and badge snobbery are both ignorant views and in practice have no difference, differentiate them all you want but only an ignorant person believes in either.

 

Whether a car is soulful or not is something you experience while driving it. Calling a car you've never even touched let alone driven soulless is like calling a movie you've never seen bad. You can talk about performance because those are facts, soul is not a fact, it's an experience and until you've driven it you have no basis for any comments on that.

 

You haven't offered a single real reason that the LF-A isn't just as worthy of respect as any other supercar. You're against it only because it's a Lexus.

 

If you don't understand the concept of a marketing tool... etc.

 

Whoring and snobbery are the same thing. Okay...

 

It's not up to you to define what constitutes 'soulful'. It's also not up to you to decide the criteria one has to fulfil to find something 'soulful', or not.

 

To quote the original point...'I never understood the LF-A, i don't see the point of it in terms of it's place in the market...' It's place in the 'market' is that of a 'marketing tool'. For or against is a non issue, as is who built it. The Veyron is a marketing tool as well. What don't you get about this?

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If you don't understand the concept of a marketing tool... etc.

 

What do you think a Halo car is? It's marketing. There's a reason Chevy still makes the Corvette and Dodge is bringing back the Viper. And ya, that's exactly what the Veyron is. But that doesn't make these cars any less special than a Pagani or Koenigsegg. You're judging a car based on the reason behind it's existence, as far as I'm concerned the reason is irrelevant because if and when I drive a car I don't think about who came up with the idea or why, I just think about the car and what it can do.

 

Every car magazine and TV show agrees that you need to drive a car to find its soul, to see how it effects your soul. I'm not defining anything, just stating the criteria that people who actually know what they're talking about agree on.

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What do you think a Halo car is? It's marketing. There's a reason Chevy still makes the Corvette and Dodge is bringing back the Viper. And ya, that's exactly what the Veyron is. But that doesn't make these cars any less special than a Pagani or Koenigsegg. You're judging a car based on the reason behind it's existence, as far as I'm concerned the reason is irrelevant because if and when I drive a car I don't think about who came up with the idea or why, I just think about the car and what it can do.

 

Every car magazine and TV show agrees that you need to drive a car to find its soul, to see how it effects your soul. I'm not defining anything, just stating the criteria that people who actually know what they're talking about agree on.

 

No-one mentioned 'special' and I was expressing my opinion of, once again, the point of the LF-A. So, I am judging it's 'point' on the reason for it's existence... which, to me, seems valid. As for every car magazine and show agreeing that you need to drive a car to find it it's soul... er, bollocks. Making stuff up to validate a point is most non triumphant, dude.

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