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Old 02-17-2010, 03:10 PM   #31
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gees i knew this was going to be impossible but you've made a really nice guide here.. Never gonna try it but hat off to you making up this guy could really help people attempting it, but for me its just not worth the time and effort.

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Old 02-19-2010, 01:25 AM   #32
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But a Rank 25 still gets credit for wins against any other account that is within 4.0 ranks below.
My main account is currently at 14, and I'm currently still deciding whether or not to push for these achievements or not. But, according to the quoted statement, as long as you have a 21 (or team of 21's) go against your main 25, you'll eventually get the team achievement, right? Granted it would be a bit longer than having higher levels, but it would be possible correct, since it/they would never fall below 21?
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Old 02-25-2010, 04:09 PM   #33
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Disclaimer -- I have not yet played this game, so this question will probably seem silly. I may attempt this in the near future, but want to prepare for it first.

I assume that if I let the game "play itself" for a few hours, each account needs a separate controller. My question is this -- what happens if a controller shuts off/runs out of battery power during this? Does the game pause/stop? If I were to run this for a few hours at a time, would it be necessary to baby-sit it or use a wired controller?
Yes, each account needs a controller to get it going. Once the match is started with the auto-pilot settings, unplugging/removing the battery is a good idea. The game will keep running and no accidental going to dashboard by random controller input. The system will display a message asking for the controllers to be reconnected, but it does not affect the game.

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My main account is currently at 14, and I'm currently still deciding whether or not to push for these achievements or not. But, according to the quoted statement, as long as you have a 21 (or team of 21's) go against your main 25, you'll eventually get the team achievement, right? Granted it would be a bit longer than having higher levels, but it would be possible correct, since it/they would never fall below 21?
No, you need to get an account/team to 22 by the time you get to Rank 25. While going up through Ranks 21, 22, 23, and 24 a Rank 21 is ok. But by the time you get to a mid to high Rank 25, you really need a Rank 22. This is because spot #1 is a Rank 25.9, so it only gets credit for wins against accounts that are 21.9 or above.

And that is for Universal. For Team and Solo, you rank up in one mode, then derank in the other. There is no need for you to get to a Rank 25 as you just rank up 4 ranks in the mode you are going for, then derank 4 ranks in the other mode.

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Old 02-25-2010, 04:32 PM   #34
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Yes, each account needs a controller to get it going. Once the match is started with the auto-pilot settings, unplugging/removing the battery is a good idea. The game will keep running and no accidental going to dashboard by random controller input. The system will display a message asking for the controllers to be reconnected, but it does not affect the game.
Thanks for the response ... that makes sense. One more thing -- can a guitar hero controller be used to start the match?
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Yep, any controller that can be used to log in to an account and has the A button can be used.
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Yep, any controller that can be used to log in to an account and has the A button can be used.
Thanks again. I may have a couple of spare gold accounts after boosting another game, so I might as well give this a go ... no sense wasting a free month of gold!
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Ok well I'm about to get this going tonight hopefully with a mate hopefully joining soon. We're planning on runnign around 24 accounts though more won't be an issue and niether are 360s (I have 20 my mate has 4-5 I think) and my issue isn't the universal, that is simple though obviously time consuming with enough accounts it sohuld be possible to have 2 ladders constructed at any one time and with 2 people working on it while one is being repaired the account can be played off the other and constantly gain rank, add another 12 accounts if needs be here. Since we have a number of boxes 5 1 month trials per box plus I have a bunch of 1 monthers saved up from broken boxes we should be good, plus a few 3 monthers thrown in...

My main question here which I've kinda dawdelled at getting to the point is what about the team lboard? Now obviously deranking is A way to go, however this surely mkaes solo longer since it's games won-games lost is it not?? On the other hand I don't want to keep boosting as it would push iniversal very high. What's the best thing to do here and how long from universal to team?

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Old 04-17-2010, 12:54 PM   #38
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Deranking is the only logical way to get Team and Solo. I did Solo first, and started working on it about half way through my Universal run. Then deranked in Team and ranked up in Solo over and over until I got Solo #1 on 2/15. But I was something like #293943 on Team at that time. Here it is about 60 days later, and I am #6 on Team and #115 in Solo. And I have spent an average of about 3 hours a day working on this (some days as much as 6 hours, others none). My first win in Team took me from the #293000 range into the #85000-#65000 range (forget which it was). That was a net gain of over 200,000 spots with just one win.

While going for Solo, my dummies that I was using ended up around the #65000 range in Solo. As a test, I decided to see how fast various things would work, this test involved my main account and 3 of my dummies (2 that had been deranked in Solo, and 1 that had not). Since it was not a very scientific test, I didn't write down the exact numbers, but Bly and Fox's Team numbers were easy to remember; our approximate stats at the beginning of the test:

Tag:............Solo #:..............Team #:
MCSS...........1......................293000
Rex..............1080.................150
Bly...............65000...............43
Fox..............65000...............45

Bly and myself won Team matches while Rex and Fox won Solo matches. Fox made it from around #65000 to #13 in Solo in the time it took Bly to go from #43 to #1 in Team. At that point, I stopped using Fox so it would keep the matches even (2v2 to 1v1). I have gone from #293000 to #6 in Team in the time it has taken Rex to go from #1080 to #3 in Solo. I'll have to go back and see when Bly got Team #1, but I think I had made it to around #18 in Team before he got it. Rex had made it to about #8 on Solo when Bly made #1 in Team.

Apparently there comes a point where, you can lose as many matches in a mode as you want, but it will not hurt you any more when you try to rank up in that mode later. How else would I be able to go from the #293000 range to top 20 in the time it took Bly to go up 42 spots in Team? Likewise, Fox climbed from the #65000 range to top 15 in the time it took Rex to climb a little over 1000 spots to get in the top 10 in Solo.

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Old 04-23-2010, 09:59 PM   #39
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Thank you MCSS Aerocoupe!!!! Your method works wonderfully, and I got the #1 (World) yesterday afternoon. I attempted this about a year ago and got frustrated, but after I saw (and understood) your method I decided to give it another go. Now I've just got to work my way through the Team and Solo board and I'm done. Thank you so much for your guide, I wouldn't have been able to do it otherwise!!
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Old 05-04-2010, 04:48 PM   #40
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You're welcome Killer.

I made a few updates to the guide to reflect things I have learned as I have now completed the last leaderboard achievement. Also, on each leaderboard, I have one of my dummies in the #1 spot with just one win more than the #2 person on each board. My dummies will not be playing GRAW again, so it is possible to get #1 on each board as long as no one else passes them and tries to block the leaderboard(s).

Good luck to anyone going for those achievements.
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How long does it take to pass #3-Iguaca on the solo leaderboard? I've been #4 for over 90 hours of non-stop boosting. Yes 90+ hours. This is day number 4. I'll manually win in solo and lose in team three times a day then derank overnight. It took 5 days combined to go from #10 to #6, passing the 2 people who have been known for blocking the leaderboard.

How long does it take to pass the #3 guy?
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:32 AM   #42
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I misplaced my paper I had some notes on, but you are at the last and most frustrating hurdle for Solo. On the positive side, once you hit #3, you should be 2-3 wins from #1.

I did not keep an exact count on how long it took me to pass him, but I think it was in the neighborhood of about 2 weeks at at least one ranking up session a day, so somewhere around 15-20 ranking ups. Sorry I'm not any more accurate on that, I lost count both times I got there.
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I actually JUST passed that guy and am now #3. It literally took 50+ hours of boosting up on solo, plus all the time deranking in team.

EDIT:

Just took the top spot for solo! It takes about 15 wins after you become #3 to get to #1.

FYI...
I started boosting the solo leaderboard on March 31st. Today is May 8th. I spent a good 10 hours every day manually boosting and auto-deranking overnight.

Here is my leaderboard #'s

-------Univ-----Solo-----Team
Main --246 ------ 1----- 264298
Dum1--385 ---- 65426---- 42
Dum2--1208 ----65423 ----47

Dum2 ran out of gold about 4 days before I got #1 on solo and was passed by Dum1.
I had it set up where my Main was lvl 17, Dum1 was lvl 13, Dum2 was lvl 9. I could boost up on solo off of both accounts before deranking. After deranking off both the lvls were Main lvl 9, Dum1 lvl 13, Dum2 lvl 17.

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Old 05-14-2010, 09:35 PM   #44
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How many months, days or even hours this achievement will take to show up.
(how many hours you spent to do this achievement MCSS Aerocoupe ?
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Is it possible to set up a 2v1 autopilot match with the team losing? I tried setting up a match like that but the second player automatically becomes a part of the defending team.

Edit: Nevermind. I figured it out.

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How many months, days or even hours this achievement will take to show up.
(how many hours you spent to do this achievement MCSS Aerocoupe ?
A VERY long time. For Solo and Team Champion, it took about 2 months of actually playing about 3-4 hours a day to get each one. So at around 60 days times 4 hours = 240 hours or playing for each of those two which equals 480 hours for both together, plus 480 hours of letting the game run on auto-pilot between matches you have to play.

Universal Champion takes more time, and it takes less time. It can be done completely with auto-pilot matches, so 0 hours of actual playing matches, but it takes much more time because you have to build and maintain the ladder. Using multiple 360's and running matches 12-18 hours a day, you are still looking at probably 4-5 months before you can get someone to Universal #1. But the 4-5 month timeframe depends on how many 360's you have running and how many 3 hour matches you can run per day.
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I'm really hoping you're wrong about the time it takes. I decided to start on this process myself and I'm suspecting that I've barely scratched the surface.

I have 13 dummy accounts and my Main. I wanted to get everything done in the 3 months until they all expire, but after seeing your post I might need another batch of 3 month codes.

I'm not there yet but I decided that I'll eventually boost off of a team of 22s/23s. It just seems like a waste of experience getting a team of 24s. After 21 your experience gains are dimished so it seems to me the least amount of time you spend boosting past 21, the more you'll get overall. Is there some added bonus for boosting from a higher level account? Would, for example, winning a game against a level 24 give more experience than a 22 for a level 25 account? Or does the only thing that matters the limit 4 level difference?
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:22 PM   #48
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too much time and effort to get this achievement
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Old 07-07-2010, 08:37 PM   #49
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Also can you look at my ladder and give me some tips?

Right now my main is level 20. My 13 dummies are as follows:
2 accounts @ lvl 17
2 accounts @ lbl 15
2 accounts @ lvl 13
2 accounts @ lvl 11
2 accounts @ lvl 10
2 accounts @ lvl 9
1 accounts @ lvl 9

I was planning on having the bottom 3 alternate against each other to 9. Then one of them would push the other two to create a team of 10s. From there I could make a ladder consisting of team lvls, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 and 20. My Main would only reach level 24 from that though. Is there a better ladder to make from 13 accounts or should I simply rebuild the ladder twice to get the top team to 22?

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I know my estimates are not perfect, but they are close enough that you would need to get a stop watch and a big note pad to keep a close enough track of time spent to be able to determine if I am overestimating, underestimating, or dead on.

Your ladder looks fairly good, but you really should have a 2nd account on that team of 1. You could then have teams of 2 at:
19
17
15
13
11
9
9

Don't try to make a ladder on accounts on even numbers, it takes too much effort to do it. Have them on odds, 2 teams of 9's will give you a team of 11's and a team of 7's. The 11's will be close to the other team of 11's and will result in a team going up the ladder. As for the 7's let them alternate against each other until 1 makes it to 9.0 as the other will be an 8.9... Just one of the quirky things about the leaderboard, when alternating, almost impossible to get both to officially hit 9.0 but since everything 8.9 and lower loses rank slower than the winner gains it, that team can still push a team of 9's to decent 11's.

The problem with 13 accounts like that you ladder will move like this:
Starting Point:
19
17
15
13
11
9 -> 11
9 -> 7

Next:
19
17
15
13
11 -> 13
11 -> 9
7

Then:
19
17
15
13 -> 15
13 -> 11
9
7

Then:
19
17
15 -> 17
15 -> 13
11
9
7


Then:
19
17 -> 19
17 -> 15
13
11
9
7

Followed by:
19 -> 21
19 -> 17
15
13
11
9
7

And Finally:
Then:
21
17
15
13
11
9
7 -> 9

There's just one problem, now that you have 2 teams of 9's again and you think all is well and you can get a 2nd team to 21's... You actually have a "bubble" in the ladder. Where's the 19's on the ladder? So you play the teams of 9's and start the next push up, but they only get to 19's and have to stop. But now the "bubble" is at 17. The following push results in a bubble at 15, after that it is at 13, then 11, and finally 9. (Insert sarcastic voice here) "Great, now I don't have 2 teams at any rank." (end sarcastic voice). Here is where you find yourself stuck with a ladder that looks like this:
21
19
17
15
13
11
9

Now there's two ways to fix this problem:
1. As soon as you get 21's have them push your main. But that only works until your main gets to around 23.9-24.1
2. Add another team. If you have one more team, you can get a 2nd team of 21's which will give you 22's. And as long as you have a team above 22.0, they can push your main all the way to 25.99 (aka spot #1). As for the team of 21's that did the pushing, they will fall to 18's, just treat them as 17.999 and you won't have to push the bubble all the way down to 9's. The bubble should be at 19, with 2 teams at 17. Send another team up, and you'll have 3 teams of 17's, play 2 of them, and the bubble disappears.

OR you can switch to teams of 1. You can build the ladder higher, but it will not be as efficient or effective...
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Finally, I have reached level 25 with my main account.

Been going at this for 2 months and 2 weeks with my main and 6 dummy accounts and 2 xbox's (one of which runs 24/7). Hopefully, I can reach the top in 2 weeks without having to buy additional time cards.

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Finally, I have reached level 25 with my main account. Currently sitting at #15 on the universal leaderboard.

Been going at this for 2 months and 2 weeks with my main and 6 dummy accounts and 2 xbox's (one of which runs 24/7). Hopefully, I can reach the top in 2 weeks without having to buy additional time cards.
Congrats. I know how much of a morale boost hitting Rank 25 is. I am curious, how did you get to a 25 with only 6 dummies? The only way I can see it working is 2 accounts alternate to 9, then push one to 11, and use multiple pushes to make the accounts separated by 3, not 2. So it looks like this?:
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9

That would work, but you are going to be getting so little XP from a single 23, and time it takes to rebuild a 23, it will be impossible to get #1 in just 2 weeks.

Best of luck, and hopefully I am wrong, but I do believe you will be buying 6 more 3-month cards. But at least then you can have 6 dummies helping you go up in Team after you have completed Universal.
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Congrats. I know how much of a morale boost hitting Rank 25 is. I am curious, how did you get to a 25 with only 6 dummies? The only way I can see it working is 2 accounts alternate to 9, then push one to 11, and use multiple pushes to make the accounts separated by 3, not 2. So it looks like this?:
25/you
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9>11
9

That would work, but you are going to be getting so little XP from a single 23, and time it takes to rebuild a 23, it will be impossible to get #1 in just 2 weeks.

Best of luck, and hopefully I am wrong, but I do believe you will be buying 6 more 3-month cards. But at least then you can have 6 dummies helping you go up in Team after you have completed Universal.
It doesn't take multiple pushes to move up.
Yes, alternate 9's to make 11/7.
The movement of the ranks of the lower dummies keeps the next acct at 11/12, and the next at 13/14.
Occasionally I won't have a 2 rank spread, it'll be 3, but after a short boost the ladder is back to normal.
I'm able to push up the 25 on every other complete ladder push...One to push the 21 to a 22 and another to make it a high 22/very low 23.
After alternating to 9's:
25
21 21>22 22
18 18> 19 19>18 18>19
15 15 15>16 16> 15 >16 16>15
11 11>13 13>12 > 13 13 >12 12
9>11 11>9 9 >10 > 9 9 8 9
9>7 7 7 >6 6 6 6 9

It takes about 24 hours for a complete cycle through the ladder. Then I work from the bottom again.

I assume this only work because I can swap profiles every couple of hours all day on both xboxes. I have to move one profile back and forth between consoles but that only takes a few minutes.
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Congrats. I know how much of a morale boost hitting Rank 25 is. I am curious, how did you get to a 25 with only 6 dummies? The only way I can see it working is 2 accounts alternate to 9, then push one to 11, and use multiple pushes to make the accounts separated by 3, not 2. So it looks like this?:
25/you
23
20
17
14
9>11
9

That would work, but you are going to be getting so little XP from a single 23, and time it takes to rebuild a 23, it will be impossible to get #1 in just 2 weeks.

Best of luck, and hopefully I am wrong, but I do believe you will be buying 6 more 3-month cards. But at least then you can have 6 dummies helping you go up in Team after you have completed Universal.
It doesn't take multiple pushes to move up.
Yes, alternate 9's to make 11/7.
Occasionally I won't have a 2 rank spread, it'll be 3, but after a short boost the ladder is back to normal.
I'm able to push up the 25 on every other complete ladder push...One to push the 21 to a 22 and another to make it a high 22/very low 23.
After alternating to 9's:
25
21...............................................2 1>22....22
18..................................18>.19....19>1 8...18>19
15.........15..........15>16....16>.15..>16....... .16>15
11.........11>13.....13>12.>.13...13..>12........1 2
9>11......11>9.......9>10.>..9.....9.....8........ ..9
9>7.........7..........7>6.......6.....6.....6.... ......9

It is quite confusing to learn the order of boosting but I can do it now without thinking.

It takes about 24 hours for a complete cycle through the ladder. Then I work from the bottom again.

I assume this only work because I can swap profiles every couple of hours all day on both xboxes. I have to move one profile back and forth between consoles but that only takes a few minutes.

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Only thing I can't get by looking at it is how you get that 6 back to a 9 in under 24 hours.
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Only thing I can't get by looking at it is how you get that 6 back to a 9 in under 24 hours.
Alternating wins between a 7 and 8 took exactly 16 hours yesterday/this morning.
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Alternating a 7 and 8 took about 14 hours today. Maybe the time differential is due to a few matches not counting because of the 30 second rule.

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Just to warn anyone who is going for this, there is currently a group of boosters aiming to block these leaderboards once more. They are headed by the current universal no1, Sham CR along with various other accounts including Silent xZ. They may say to anyone with high ranks that they are willing to derank to them as some of these accounts have been reset to 0 and so they no longer need the rank but this is not the case, they will try to steal your hard earned levels. I know your probably sick of this game Aerocoupe but if you could get that no1 spot back it would really piss these guys off.
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sHaM cR glitched the GRAW leaderboards. That is the only way to get the Team and Solo #1 on the same day, unless you own a time machine, as I have estimated it takes 120+ hours to go from #1 in one to #1 in the other.

Silent xZ does not have GRAW on that tag, but maybe it is a variant you saw (Si1ent xZ or SiIent xZ).

Even if I wanted to, I can't retake universal #1. My ladder went into major disrepair as I sucked all the rank out of my accounts before they lost Gold. I think I only have 2 accounts of Rank 20 or above other than Cody, and probably only 2 more between 11 and 19. Besides, even if I pass them, it will only motivate them to boost even higher.
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Old 08-08-2010, 05:00 PM   #60
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Just to warn anyone who is going for this, there is currently a group of boosters aiming to block these leaderboards once more. They are headed by the current universal no1, Sham CR along with various other accounts including Silent xZ. They may say to anyone with high ranks that they are willing to derank to them as some of these accounts have been reset to 0 and so they no longer need the rank but this is not the case, they will try to steal your hard earned levels. I know your probably sick of this game Aerocoupe but if you could get that no1 spot back it would really piss these guys off.
Yeah, that group truly is a group of d-bags. I'm so tired of getting "Can I derank you in graw" messages. Thankfully I was able to chase down and pass that fucker a mere 1-2 hours before he took #1. But before he made most of his accounts private I spent a few hours going through them and finding which ones had gamesaves. The leader, Sham Cr, picked up about 1300 achievements on one day 4/8/09 I think, and the Siilent xZ (*sp) account picked up over 1700 in one day (forget which day) and jumped about 350,000 gamerscore about a week ago. And that's not mentioning the Amazen Cr account that was already caught and suspended for cheating by xbox.

I noticed yesterday that another person in the group has entered the top 10 on universal, oi Solo Dolo io. (who also gamesaved the Team and Solo leaderboards on 4/8/09 and most of Graw 2 for that matter. Gee, I wonder who did that for him..."cough" Sham Cr "cough")

I'd say getting this achievement is a lost cause for a while until either the rest of the accounts get suspended or they give up in a few months. They will quit eventually because it'll be too costly to keep going for no reason. When that will be, though, is anyone's guess.

On to the Team Leaderboard for me....after I take a break for a few weeks. Not looking forward to the grind, but definitely looking forward to being done with this game once and for all. Luckily I'm already at 114th or something like that so it shouldn't take too long if I stick with it.

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