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Old 01-05-2011, 06:48 PM   #31
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this video isn't me, but I've done this exact same thing to a sniper - super funny.

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this video isn't me, but I did this exact same thing to a sniper last night - super funny.
Wish all snipers would get that treatment, was funny lol I wanna try that, strange how the sniper didn't move atall in the time the guy sent him the message :/ trick worked I guess, good stuff..
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this video isn't me, but I did this exact same thing to a sniper last night - super funny.
i was expecting the tracer to be used
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SNIPERS ARE USEFUL just not more than to or three to a team. I have 32 ace player pins as an m-24 sniper. I am sick of this on going debate. It's the people not the class. Someone mentioned taking it out wouldn't make much of a difference. Umm wrong. Do you guys like how the enemy is lit up for you. Thats me doing that. (40+ spot assist a round) or how about the guy whose arming the M com, whoops hes dead. Me again. Stop blaming the game or saying it's useless, blame the player. As for putting limits on how many players can choose a class. That would ruin Battlefield. I never play as assault unless I'm C-4ing a crate. Imagine how mad you would be if everyone filled the spots for engineer when you see a tank roll up as you get ready to spawn. This "useless sniper debate" is about as relevent as the medics that don't throw health for anyone but themselves or revive. Assault goes without saying or the engineer that just looks at you Uav or tank and says what do I do now. Like I said it's the player not the class. rant over
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SNIPERS ARE USEFUL just not more than to or three to a team. I have 32 ace player pins as an m-24 sniper. I am sick of this on going debate. It's the people not the class. Someone mentioned taking it out wouldn't make much of a difference. Umm wrong. Do you guys like how the enemy is lit up for you. Thats me doing that. (40+ spot assist a round) or how about the guy whose arming the M com, whoops hes dead. Me again. Stop blaming the game or saying it's useless, blame the player. As for putting limits on how many players can choose a class. That would ruin Battlefield. I never play as assault unless I'm C-4ing a crate. Imagine how mad you would be if everyone filled the spots for engineer when you see a tank roll up as you get ready to spawn. This "useless sniper debate" is about as relevent as the medics that don't throw health for anyone but themselves or revive. Assault goes without saying or the engineer that just looks at you Uav or tank and says what do I do now. Like I said it's the player not the class. rant over
That’s why I pointed out my stats first – out of 1,200+ games played, everything I said in the OP is how I see snipers playing. Saying it’s the player and not the class is actually irrelevant, because whether you think it’s the player or the class the bottom line is that the CLASS is what allows the player to play like that…i.e, in a fashion that does not help the team/squad in anything other than a tiny way, as I stated originally.

Yes, sniper can be useful – last night I was playing as assault with a friend who was playing as a sniper but using the VSS (which, lets be honest, is essentially an assault rifle not a sniper weapon) with a red dot, we were running around behind enemy lines doing quite well, the VSS is powerful and he was throwing motion mines non-stop while I resupplied him.

And, in case the not-so-subtle point I was making there somehow escaped you ---- he, the SNIPER, was operating in an ASSAULT capacity, the only reason he was using the sniper class was so we could utilize the sniper's one and only truly beneficial feature; the motion mine. He wasn't picking targets off at a distance like a marksman, he was swapping bullets with the enemy at close range.

I stick to my original sentiment: snipers are not useful and, more often than not, are a detractor and a liability to the team in terms of attaining victory.

The sniper CAN be useful. But how often is it ACTUALLY useful? Well, again, out of 1,200+ games played, the answer is “almost never”
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i was expecting the tracer to be used
Same lol i thought the guy would shoot the tracer dart in the snipers face when he turns around then the other guy to the right shoots the sniper. Would have been funnier :P
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YouTube - BFBC2 Humiliation Kill 3

this video isn't me, but I've done this exact same thing to a sniper - super funny.
that happened so quick
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lol that video is great! i've killed plenty of snipers on that hill on that map coming around the back
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My K/D ratio is above 3.0 and I rush with my engineer class. Not trying to brag, just saying that you don't have to snipe to have a good K/D ratio.
I'm not that good son! most multiplayer games I die more than I kill.. it's mostly due to unpredictability.
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Same lol i thought the guy would shoot the tracer dart in the snipers face when he turns around then the other guy to the right shoots the sniper. Would have been funnier :P
if only an engineer was there. it would have been mad funny. the guy places the tracer on the sniper, the sniper turns around, engineer kills him with a rocket
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if only an engineer was there. it would have been mad funny. the guy places the tracer on the sniper, the sniper turns around, engineer kills him with a rocket
or repair tool's his face
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honestly think the best thing would be a limit to the amount of snipers allowed on a team....like 3 per team at most.
I been saying this for years ! And it also goes for EVERY game to be made.

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this pretty much sums it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_cLTrMUqJ0
This is the SHIT ! and ABSOLUTELY TRUE !!!!!

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CLASSIC !!!

Now for my 2 cents. Snipers are USELESS ! well the weapons certainly are. if its not a headshot it takes like 4 or 5 bullets to take them out. meanwhile they are running at top speed across the map killing someone else? the vietnam gold star achieve is KILLING me. i cant snipe to save my life with the M40. 84 kills to go til the recon class is done and at an average of 3 kills per game...(insert your own comment here). it better be a headshot because if you dont kill him, he's gonna kill you. i hate it. i'd rather do that crappy huey achievement again rather than get 300 kills with sniper rifles. i could spit on people and kill them faster than these rifles.
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That’s why I pointed out my stats first – out of 1,200+ games played, everything I said in the OP is how I see snipers playing. Saying it’s the player and not the class is actually irrelevant, because whether you think it’s the player or the class the bottom line is that the CLASS is what allows the player to play like that…i.e, in a fashion that does not help the team/squad in anything other than a tiny way, as I stated originally.

Yes, sniper can be useful – last night I was playing as assault with a friend who was playing as a sniper but using the VSS (which, lets be honest, is essentially an assault rifle not a sniper weapon) with a red dot, we were running around behind enemy lines doing quite well, the VSS is powerful and he was throwing motion mines non-stop while I resupplied him.

And, in case the not-so-subtle point I was making there somehow escaped you ---- he, the SNIPER, was operating in an ASSAULT capacity, the only reason he was using the sniper class was so we could utilize the sniper's one and only truly beneficial feature; the motion mine. He wasn't picking targets off at a distance like a marksman, he was swapping bullets with the enemy at close range.

I stick to my original sentiment: snipers are not useful and, more often than not, are a detractor and a liability to the team in terms of attaining victory.

The sniper CAN be useful. But how often is it ACTUALLY useful? Well, again, out of 1,200+ games played, the answer is “almost never”
Wow, you really are one sighted and havent read his post. In your OP you were complaining about snipers and how they dont use any of their special abilities.
Like this guy says and my own experience after 130 hours online, its the same for EVERY class! 130 hours online and i can count the times i've been revived by a medic on 1 hand! I'm in a tank and when i get damaged i have to look at all my teams engineers run everywhere BUT my tank to repair it! The only time i see an assualt class throw ammo is on the very first flag in conquest, when nobody has even fired one shot.
The only thing that holds true is that they are far away on the map and if you spawn on them you have to walk a bit, well boohoo...
Its more of witch hunt on snipers because NOBODY plays the classes like they are supposed to be played.
It's no wonder DICE felt sorry for us and gave us the Hastings map on Vietnam early, because they knew that if they waited for us to get the 69 mil squad points legit we might have gotten the new map somewhere in 2012...
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The only time i see an assualt class throw ammo is on the very first flag in conquest, when nobody has even fired one shot.
i've seen that a lot lately. no one is throwing ammo box anywhere. when you are playing as an engineer, you pretty much run out of ammo especially if you are going for that specact achievement. i either have to take someone's kit, try to knife someone or suicide
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Right, having got my 15g recon spectate achievement last night I would like to add my views on the sniper class.

First off, I detest sniping. I get so bored sitting in the same position waiting for the kill and even with the m95 being so powerful you still gave to be deadly accurate with a headshot to get a one shot kill. I was not looking forward to trying for the achievement and that's why it was left till last.

Having now played a sufficient amount of time in recon class I can honestly say I can totally see where it's place is in the grand schem of things now and I actually had a blast playing as recon.

I usually prefer assault class with a 4x scope so I can do a mixture of running around to capture flags and some medium range sniping whilst defending. I applied this to recon and actually found it worked really well.

Once you know the maps well enough what I was doing is rushing to the first (nearest) flag with my team and capturing it. Then I would chuck a few motion mines down around the flag in key positions then collect the ammo to restock (which as someone mentioned normally always gets chucked out on the first flag). I would then head to the next flag, all this time I'm isn't my pistol not the sniper. If my team are on the ball we would usually get the second flag, more motion mines chucked down and then I would find a suitable position between the 2 captured flags so I could see them both. I would then attempt to pick off anyone going near these two flags. As soon as one of the flags would start to flash I would aim the mortar to cover as wide an area as I could around the flag then scope it out and puck off more targets. If the flag continued to drop and I couldn't see anyone I would order the squad to it and switch to my pistol and head down there to get up close.

I found this method worked really well. It stopped me getting bored just sitting around and I massively improved my aiming and shooting from a distance and by the last 5 or so matches last night I was getting very decent scores (top 5 in the team) and always a +positive K/D with most games looking like 15-20/5-10. I even popped the pistol kills achievement as I was getting pretty good with that as well.

Overall the sniper can be good but what really let's a squad down is stupidity. Why dies everyone go for yhe same flag all the time? I understand this on the first 2 but split into 2 teams if two and attack separately if your under pressure to split the enemy up. Plus if your a medic or assault, throw your damn packs out to keep your team healthy and full of ammo and engineers, if the tank is taking damage don't run off, get out and fix it.

This game does work best when your in a party talking to your squad, otherwise it can be frustrating and at times I've thought "ok, fuck the dumb cunts, their either rubbish or don't care about winning" and it's times like this I do play for my K/D but most of the time if you play to win your K/D will be good anyway.

EDIT: sorry for the poor grammer/spelling, typed that wall of text on my iPhone and either predictive spelt a different word or my clumsy fingers pushed the wrong button. Can't edit this post properly on the iPhone.

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The shotguns have problems

The shotgun can shoot and hit from across the map
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I'll say one problem with snipers in this expansion is the weapons. The M40 is nice.. if it's a headshot, it's as good as dead. With the middle one (name escapes me) it'll take 2 if not 3 shots to down a person at long range. Even with headshots. I've probly missed out on at least 25 kills with this gun because people can find cover before I can sink a 3rd or even 4th bullet into them. Driving me nuts.
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With the recon class not having sensors (this makes sense in the Vietnam era), sniping as Recon is pretty useless in this DLC.

Before everyone flames me I have a gold star for every sniper rifle in the game including the original sniper rifles, the SPECACT M95 and the 3 for Vietnam. I know what the class is capable of.

I've heard the argument of "I cover the crate and launch mortar strikes" which is a valid point. The problem with the sniper in the Vietnam DLC is that I can accomplish the same task with any of the other 3 classes. An M60 littering the crate with bullets will accomplish the same thing as a Mortar Strike.

Without the sensor the class is just not necessary. If you're going to use C4 you may as well equip a Thompson or an M1 as Assault and feed yourself ammo.

IMO it's the least important of the 4 classes in the Vietnam DLC. This is due to a lack of sensors.
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With the recon class not having sensors (this makes sense in the Vietnam era), sniping as Recon is pretty useless in this DLC.

Before everyone flames me I have a gold star for every sniper rifle in the game including the original sniper rifles, the SPECACT M95 and the 3 for Vietnam. I know what the class is capable of.

I've heard the argument of "I cover the crate and launch mortar strikes" which is a valid point. The problem with the sniper in the Vietnam DLC is that I can accomplish the same task with any of the other 3 classes. An M60 littering the crate with bullets will accomplish the same thing as a Mortar Strike.

Without the sensor the class is just not necessary. If you're going to use C4 you may as well equip a Thompson or an M1 as Assault and feed yourself ammo.

IMO it's the least important of the 4 classes in the Vietnam DLC. This is due to a lack of sensors.
I use all classes but when it comes down to it i'm a sniper straight up.

I never use the sensors so you saying its pointless if it doesn't have them is strange to me. I'm an OG sniper i have always sniped in every game. When Vietnam came out i went to Assault class first to scope ou were people went, were snipers sat etc.

Then when i went sniper i know most places people sit and which paths they take. Its how i play every game that has snipers, i don't use the spots everyone else does i choose my own random spots.

The Recon class in Vietnam is far from useless, its very powerful if you know what your doing.
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I use all classes but when it comes down to it i'm a sniper straight up.

I never use the sensors so you saying its pointless if it doesn't have them is strange to me. I'm an OG sniper i have always sniped in every game. When Vietnam came out i went to Assault class first to scope ou were people went, were snipers sat etc.

Then when i went sniper i know most places people sit and which paths they take. Its how i play every game that has snipers, i don't use the spots everyone else does i choose my own random spots.

The Recon class in Vietnam is far from useless, its very powerful if you know what your doing.
And here lies the problem. You are sitting around hiding padding your K/D ratio not helping your team in a team based game.
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And here lies the problem. You are sitting around hiding padding your K/D ratio not helping your team in a team based game.
listen, kid. snipers are the best... i mean you shoot lightning bolts from your gun an impossible measure away... thats pretty amazing.
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listen, kid. snipers are the best... i mean you shoot lightning bolts from your gun an impossible measure away... thats pretty amazing.
You assume he has the lightning bolt perk equipped. If he hasn't reached rank 15 his sniper rifle probably has the confetti perk equipped son.
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You assume he has the lightning bolt perk equipped. If he hasn't reached rank 15 his sniper rifle probably has the confetti perk equipped son.
Ooookay, Baby!!! Whatever you say. My sniper rifle does a +2942 attack damage with the enchanted buff perk on. He has the same thing. Just ask Mr. Sniper of the BattleField: Bad Company Forums.
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And here lies the problem. You are sitting around hiding padding your K/D ratio not helping your team in a team based game.
Again you are wrong. I don't care about K/D i watch over the crates as much as possible, if not i'm watching the main paths the enemy takes to get there.

I understand what you mean by most snipers hiding just to get their K/D up and not help the team, but i'm not like that. Sniping is a very helpful class you just having trouble seeing it.
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I used to snipe constantly, but I only played Deathmatch. Once in a while I'd play Rush, but not very often. I use recon with the M14 or G3 quite a bit, just for the motion mines.

My friend snipes when we're playing objective games and it pisses me off when I die several times, only to have him sitting atop a hill not helping a bit, just padding his Kill to death ratio.

Sniping is fine if you're helping your team, which snipers never do.
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130 hours online and i can count the times i've been revived by a medic on 1 hand! I'm in a tank and when i get damaged i have to look at all my teams engineers run everywhere BUT my tank to repair it! The only time i see an assualt class throw ammo is on the very first flag in conquest
First off, you're REALLY trying to tell me you've been revived 5 or less times in 130 hours of playing? I do not believe you, sir.

You must have some terrible luck, I fairly consistently see ammo/med kits/revives and repairs.

Maybe that only starts happening when you hit the 200 hour mark?
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Old 01-10-2011, 07:24 PM   #60
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First off, you're REALLY trying to tell me you've been revived 5 or less times in 130 hours of playing? I do not believe you, sir.

You must have some terrible luck, I fairly consistently see ammo/med kits/revives and repairs.

Maybe that only starts happening when you hit the 200 hour mark?
I read that and thought the same thing. I'm not saying that I get revived all the time by randoms, but it does happen. A little exaggeration?

If I'm assault I dump ammo, medic I drop health, and engineer I fix vehicles. There is no reason not to do this, it's free points!
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