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Old 03-20-2011, 01:52 AM   #31
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Holo. I usually use iron sights though w/ a GL or silencer.
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Old 04-10-2011, 08:15 AM   #32
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Old 04-10-2011, 08:23 PM   #33
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Pros and Cons of RDS and Holographic

Holograpic

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Increases FAl minimum damage from 35 to 40 making it two shot kill at all ranges. (Except if target is shot through cover, having Painkiller/Last Stand/Final Stand active)

Decreases M16 recoil

Reticle doesn't sway when turning

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Thicker frame which is reducing visibility

Glaring on sunny maps

The large circle is very close to the small which is obscuring vision

It's height can be problematic on weapons like AK-47, while working better on weapons like UMP as the sight will be placed low
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its all personal preference but i prefer red dot sight.
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Old 04-10-2011, 10:09 PM   #35
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Holograpic

Pro:

Increases FAl minimum damage from 35 to 40 making it two shot kill at all ranges. (Except if target is shot through cover, having Painkiller/Last Stand/Final Stand active)

Decreases M16 recoil

Reticle doesn't sway when turning

Con:

Thicker frame which is reducing visibility

Glaring on sunny maps

The large circle is very close to the small which is obscuring vision

It's height can be problematic on weapons like AK-47, while working better on weapons like UMP as the sight will be placed low

I've never heard that the rds or holo on a gun makes it more/less powerful. On the m16 its a 2 bullet kills w/ stopping power, whether its a rds or holo. Also the holo on the m16 does not reduce recoil. It makes a tighter bullet pattern but the recoil remains exactly the same. I am pretty sure there are plenty of videos on youtube proving this.
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I've never heard that the rds or holo on a gun makes it more/less powerful. On the m16 its a 2 bullet kills w/ stopping power, whether its a rds or holo. Also the holo on the m16 does not reduce recoil. It makes a tighter bullet pattern but the recoil remains exactly the same. I am pretty sure there are plenty of videos on youtube proving this.
Well Call of Duty wikia says so and I'd rather trust them than a private user...
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:12 PM   #37
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Well Call of Duty wikia says so and I'd rather trust them than a private user...
I usually trust my eyes and what I see when watching a video.
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Well Call of Duty wikia says so and I'd rather trust them than a private user...
That can be edited by anyone. I could edit it to say anything I want. However...
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I usually trust my eyes and what I see when watching a video.
I'm almost certain the FAL does become a 2 hit kill weapon with a Holo site on it.
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Old 04-11-2011, 02:50 PM   #39
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I'm almost certain the FAL does become a 2 hit kill weapon with a Holo site on it.
Very True. I forgot to mention that. That is the only gun that I know of, which becomes strong with a sight.
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Old 04-11-2011, 06:16 PM   #40
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I quite like holographic due to the large reticule it comes with.
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That can be edited by anyone. I could edit it to say anything I want. However...

I'm almost certain the FAL does become a 2 hit kill weapon with a Holo site on it.
Of course you can edit it, but it won't stay up very long thanks to Admins. Many pages have also been locked from editing because of people editing fasle information.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:25 AM   #42
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red dot in my opinion the holo is just too big
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:55 PM   #43
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red dot in my opinion the holo is just too big
Holo fits great on some weapons though
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Old 04-21-2011, 05:36 PM   #44
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Holo fits great on some weapons though
I <3 the holographic on the M16.
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Old 04-21-2011, 06:11 PM   #45
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:32 PM   #46
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Depends on the gun, for some I prefer red dot and others I prefer holographic.
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Old 05-23-2011, 07:26 AM   #47
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Personally I think iron sights are best because when looking through holo or rds, it brings up stuff around it so it blocks your field of vision, then theres the whole deal about it not being centered n such...so i never really messed with either save for completion
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I like both, but Red Dot ftw.
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Old 05-25-2011, 08:15 PM   #49
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I hate holographic so I would prefer red dot. Tho i mainly use iron sites.
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I usually will use the red dot sight, as it is easier to see around the sight. The one exception is the FAL. When it has the holographic and Stopping Power, it is a 2 shot kill (unless the target is on a painpill), with one-shot headshots at medium to close range.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:57 PM   #52
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I don't really like either sight 'better' than the other. It all depends on the gun for me, some guns I like red dot, others I like holographic, and others I just use the iron sights.
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I don't really like either sight 'better' than the other. It all depends on the gun for me, some guns I like red dot, others I like holographic, and others I just use the iron sights.
Couldn't agree more. There are some guns which are improved depending on whether you are using the holographic or red dot.
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Couldn't agree more. There are some guns which are improved depending on whether you are using the holographic or red dot.
The FAL for example, when I use it, I have to have a red dot sight on it, I can't stand it's iron sights. But then there's plenty of other guns, I prefer the iron sights for, SCAR-H for example, I think has perfectly fine iron sights, and I see it as a waste of an attachment to put a sight on it.
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The FAL for example, when I use it, I have to have a red dot sight on it, I can't stand it's iron sights. But then there's plenty of other guns, I prefer the iron sights for, SCAR-H for example, I think has perfectly fine iron sights, and I see it as a waste of an attachment to put a sight on it.
My favorite is when i see a sight on a spas. My buddy is a really good player and I used to see him in the killcam ADS'ing through a red dot on the spas. I finally asked him what he was thinking. He has no idea that when ADS'ing the bullet pattern gets wider and makes the gun less powerful. Since then he has ran extended mags on the spas and doesnt ADS anymore. Lets just say he is much better with the spas now.
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My favorite is when i see a sight on a spas. My buddy is a really good player and I used to see him in the killcam ADS'ing through a red dot on the spas. I finally asked him what he was thinking. He has no idea that when ADS'ing the bullet pattern gets wider and makes the gun less powerful. Since then he has ran extended mags on the spas and doesnt ADS anymore. Lets just say he is much better with the spas now.
I always wondered the same thing, i've never touched an optical sight for the SPAS bar picking someones up and even then it's hipfire all the way.

That said I didn't know about the widening factor, i just hated the sights.
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My favorite is when i see a sight on a spas. My buddy is a really good player and I used to see him in the killcam ADS'ing through a red dot on the spas. I finally asked him what he was thinking. He has no idea that when ADS'ing the bullet pattern gets wider and makes the gun less powerful. Since then he has ran extended mags on the spas and doesnt ADS anymore. Lets just say he is much better with the spas now.
Can't say I've ever heard that either. I figured it just depended what mood the spaz was in if it wanted to cross map or point blank hitmarker.
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I always wondered the same thing, i've never touched an optical sight for the SPAS bar picking someones up and even then it's hipfire all the way.

That said I didn't know about the widening factor, i just hated the sights.
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Can't say I've ever heard that either. I figured it just depended what mood the spaz was in if it wanted to cross map or point blank hitmarker.
Yup. This has been talked about many times in this forum. TBH i may have it the other way around. One way may widen the spread and the other may make it smaller. I forget which it is, but not ADS'ing is the better way. Also FMJ has no impact on the spas either. The only attachment one should run on the spas are extended mags. I am sure we can get doublebaconHAMBURGEROUSwithcheese in here to clarify.
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i usually use a silencer or another attachment but i like the red dot better for some guns and the holographic better for guns like the SCAR
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Yup. This has been talked about many times in this forum. TBH i may have it the other way around. One way may widen the spread and the other may make it smaller. I forget which it is, but not ADS'ing is the better way. Also FMJ has no impact on the spas either. The only attachment one should run on the spas are extended mags. I am sure we can get doublebaconHAMBURGEROUSwithcheese in here to clarify.
Okay, let's start at the start.

FMJ has no effect. It's useless.

Grip makes no difference. Grip reduces re-centring time but the re-centering time is less that the time between shots anyway, so grip does nothing. Not a single thing. Except look a bit cool.

Holo and red dot sights make no difference to the spread of the shot when aiming down sights or when shooting from the hip. They do nothing except if you can't use iron sights and like to aim down sights. But that's a very, very niche thing and not an in game change.

When using Steady Aim, aiming down sights increases the spread of the shot. If you're using Steady Aim then don't aim down sights unless you have a situational reason to, like abusing auto aim or whatever.

Is that all?

Coadset1, why do you like the RDS on the Fal? It's off centre and has less power at range than the holo. You're a mad man.
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