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Old 05-14-2011, 01:14 AM   #31
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I have obtained this achievement by simply just killing an enemy I knew was disguised. He had my gamertag and my friend saw him go into the disguise so I simply shot the hell out of him and the achievement popped without having to use this ability.

Other than that this looks to be a good guide. I would like to add that you generally have the achievements in random order. Perhaps organizing them by the class necessary to unlock it, Miscellaneous, and then Story related (not really, but kinda fits as a category). But just some extra organization would help.

As it is now thought. Seemingly great guide for a fairly easy 1000 GS.
I can also confirm that I got this achievement by shooting an AI who was disguised as my friend while we played co-op. I was an engineer and it popped no problem for me.
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I have obtained this achievement by simply just killing an enemy I knew was disguised. He had my gamertag and my friend saw him go into the disguise so I simply shot the hell out of him and the achievement popped without having to use this ability.

Other than that this looks to be a good guide. I would like to add that you generally have the achievements in random order. Perhaps organizing them by the class necessary to unlock it, Miscellaneous, and then Story related (not really, but kinda fits as a category). But just some extra organization would help.

As it is now thought. Seemingly great guide for a fairly easy 1000 GS.
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I have shot people that were disguised but did not get the achievement a few times. Were you maybe an Operative ? When you focused to shoot maybe it revealed him. Maybe others can comment too and I'll change it.

I have them in this order because it's what the site has them as. I may change it to class specific and spruce things up if more people think it's needed. Thanks for the input, appreciate it!
Tyger I can confirm what that guy says is true. I was a Medic (I know 100% I was) and I saw an enemy who was disguised but didn't know at first. I was trying to Buff him but couldn't so I shot him because I said "Screw you AI" and it injured him so I kept shooting and killed him and got the achievement. Luck of the draw on my part =p
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Suggestion for your guide, make sure to get ALL of the challenge achievements out of the way before you do anything - the bots get progressively harder as you level, so if you knock these out as a rank 1, they're super easy. I didn't know this, and ended up deciding to do them around rank 15. Couldn't get past 2 star objective (spent 2 hrs trying...), read that they're easier if you do them first. So I started a fresh character, and blew through all 3 stars on all 4 challenges without failing once.

Also, as for the revealing a disguised character, I just happened to see somebody who looked like me (as an engineer). I was like, "wtf? That's gotta be a bot in disguise!" - so I shot him. Didn't kill him, and figured the achievement was glitched. Different game, same thing, except this time I -DID- kill him, and I got it.
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Suggestion for your guide, make sure to get ALL of the challenge achievements out of the way before you do anything - the bots get progressively harder as you level, so if you knock these out as a rank 1, they're super easy. I didn't know this, and ended up deciding to do them around rank 15. Couldn't get past 2 star objective (spent 2 hrs trying...), read that they're easier if you do them first. So I started a fresh character, and blew through all 3 stars on all 4 challenges without failing once.
I did the challenges 1st to unlock everything, Then redid another character and did the camp and had all the weapon unlocks avaialable, so that way whatever my rank was after finishing the challenges wont make my life a misery for the camp
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Suggestion for your guide, make sure to get ALL of the challenge achievements out of the way before you do anything - the bots get progressively harder as you level, so if you knock these out as a rank 1, they're super easy. I didn't know this, and ended up deciding to do them around rank 15. Couldn't get past 2 star objective (spent 2 hrs trying...), read that they're easier if you do them first. So I started a fresh character, and blew through all 3 stars on all 4 challenges without failing once.

Also, as for the revealing a disguised character, I just happened to see somebody who looked like me (as an engineer). I was like, "wtf? That's gotta be a bot in disguise!" - so I shot him. Didn't kill him, and figured the achievement was glitched. Different game, same thing, except this time I -DID- kill him, and I got it.
Yes true thats why I said do it after by creating a new character ill still be modifying the guide a bit.
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For the audio logs, you do not need to play versus. I didn't even try versus until the other day and already had all the audio logs. I played campaign on my own and was getting 1 every match, when I played campaign co-op I was getting 2 every level we finished. So as other people have said, they are somewhat random but not completely. You will get the achievement even if you never play versus.
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your description for cut em off at the pass is the describing how to get i think i know a shortcut.
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you should explain how to set up a custom game and get brinksmanship with 1 bot, its the easiest way, but i have no idea what map to do it on.
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Great guide Tyger, just a quick question how many of the achievements can be done in private games, that require no AI. alot of ppl are saying all the achievements can be gotten on your own in a private match but how much of that is true...
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Great guide Tyger, just a quick question how many of the achievements can be done in private games, that require no AI. alot of ppl are saying all the achievements can be gotten on your own in a private match but how much of that is true...
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I'm not sure "That mine you found? Disarmed" can be done alone. Maybe I was doing something wrong, but I tried on my own, no bots. Planted a mine, team swapped and changed to operative. Went to where I planted the landmine, and it was not there. walked over the spot and I was safe.
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While a Medic, you will have no real objectives to complete like the other classes do. While at an objective, there are times when multiple people will get downed near it. If you revive the class which is not tied to that specific objective, but they are both near it, then you will unlock the achievement.

About VIP escort missions: While you are escorting certain AI characters who are injured, you may think you can get the achievement easily by healing someone else instead of him while he is down. This is not true. Though, if there is a downed class by a downed medic near the VIP, you can heal that class and get the achievement as the medic is the one with the objective to heal.

Note: Like the description mentions. this must be a primary objective which are always gold on your objective dial. They are also listed before you start the missions.
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There's one thing that doesn't make sense to me in your guide. The details for Smart Decisions Win Battles. You keep saying in the description to revive the person who IS NOT tied to the objective, yet the achievement description says the exact opposite, and the achievement title implies the opposite... You should be reviving the person who IS tied to the objective. Hence being a smart decision. So in your escort example, you should revive the MEDIC, not the other random class. Unless you get the achievement by doing the exact opposite of the achievement description and it was just programmed like that.
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Smart decision info is correct. Read the description it again it will make more sense.
I still stand by my original statement that your description for Smart Decisions Win Battles is incorrect. Having just got the achievement last night, I know it is incorrect. I highlighted in bold where you specifically say to revive the non-objective class teammate, as opposed to the one specific to the objective. This is not how you get the achievement!

For example, my co-op partner was downed near the mainframe we had to hack. He was a medic. An AI bot got downed near it as well. He was an operative. I revived the operative and got the achievement. He was the one tied to the objective, so I revived him. Your description is saying to do the exact opposite, which is not correct.
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I'm not sure "That mine you found? Disarmed" can be done alone. Maybe I was doing something wrong, but I tried on my own, no bots. Planted a mine, team swapped and changed to operative. Went to where I planted the landmine, and it was not there. walked over the spot and I was safe.
It can be done offline, but not alone! Someone else has to defuse your mine. A bot can do it, but I'm sure it's pretty rare, seeing as how garbage the AI is. Your only hope would be to spot an enemy mine on a missions where an Engineer has the primary objective to complete, and hope they defuse the mine you spotted.

I had no luck with this, however. I spotted mines, and the AI would just run right over them, even though I had spotted them, and get killed. Morons.
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I still stand by my original statement that your description for Smart Decisions Win Battles is incorrect. Having just got the achievement last night, I know it is incorrect. I highlighted in bold where you specifically say to revive the non-objective class teammate, as opposed to the one specific to the objective. This is not how you get the achievement!

For example, my co-op partner was downed near the mainframe we had to hack. He was a medic. An AI bot got downed near it as well. He was an operative. I revived the operative and got the achievement. He was the one tied to the objective, so I revived him. Your description is saying to do the exact opposite, which is not correct.
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Good guide. There is more to the audio logs than playing VS though. I just finished all levels in VS mode and am still missing 22. I wish the reqs were a bit more clear in this game but oh well
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Good guide. There is more to the audio logs than playing VS though. I just finished all levels in VS mode and am still missing 22. I wish the reqs were a bit more clear in this game but oh well
Just keep winning missions and you'll unlock the rest. After I did every mission in online versus (except the two Security What-ifs) I still needed around 15. I played private games over and over on the same map to get XP and level up to 20, and I unlocked all the Audio logs along the way. Not to mention I was playing the same map over and over.
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I never played Versus until after I got the 1k in this game.

Pretty sure its just completing matchs, easy only giving 1 new audio log and hard giving 2 new audio logs. I dont remember for normal, I think it was 2 new audio logs as well.

My last 12 audio logs revolved around me playing the Reactor level as Security and defending for the 10 mins at a time. Each time I finished the match, I got 1 new audio log as I was doing it on Easy. I was fixing my character's skill tree, so I resetted from Level 20 to Level 19 twice.
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OK thanks. im playing everything solo with no bots at the moment just in case. but yeah it seems like it's just wins.

edit: got it. for the audio logs, the only thing ive done in the game is play online vs, freeplay solo no bots, then solo freeplay the terminal a few times to rank up. so all you need to do is win matches to get the audio logs
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Going to bump this up because this is the far superior guide :P.

The writer ( No Offense ) of the other one didn't even go through ANY of the guidelines to writing an Achievement Guide for this site.

I just don't see why somebody would bother heh.

Well, what do I know eh?

Another great guide, keep up the good work. :]
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is there a way to check what missions you won and need to win for "Tough as Nails" achievement? b/c I think I won all(including What If's) lvls for both sides and no achievevment. Any suggestions ???
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I'm down to just needing Tough as Nails. I have 2 finished in Hard Mode and 2 or 3 finished in Versus. I just hate how every other match I enter online is super laggy.

Now, does it matter if it's a public or private game in Versus? And when you go to Public, it's always versus, right? Since it doesn't give you a choice to change it...

Also, I don't know why you keep saying that you have to get the Audio Logs on Versus, because it's a lot easier to get them in Solo. Seriously, just choose Prison Break, change to Engineer, Plant a mine in front of the conduit, Set a turret up around it, too, and survive for like 7 minutes. That's how I got the last 20, after playing through the campaign twice and screwing around with friends.
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is there a way to check what missions you won and need to win for "Tough as Nails" achievement? b/c I think I won all(including What If's) lvls for both sides and no achievevment. Any suggestions ???

Unfortunately no. I played through each missions twice in Versus and got it, but I was also hoping you could check using the star tracker that is advertised on the menu. But apparently that isn't even up yet.
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I'm down to just needing Tough as Nails. I have 2 finished in Hard Mode and 2 or 3 finished in Versus. I just hate how every other match I enter online is super laggy.

Now, does it matter if it's a public or private game in Versus? And when you go to Public, it's always versus, right? Since it doesn't give you a choice to change it...

Also, I don't know why you keep saying that you have to get the Audio Logs on Versus, because it's a lot easier to get them in Solo. Seriously, just choose Prison Break, change to Engineer, Plant a mine in front of the conduit, Set a turret up around it, too, and survive for like 7 minutes. That's how I got the last 20, after playing through the campaign twice and screwing around with friends.
It has to be Online Versus, if you're asking about the Tough As Nails achievement. You can't do it in a private game.

Also, why would you choose to play defense to get your last audio logs? Defense is boring, takes forever, and hardly gets you any XP. I much much prefer running through Terminal on Security side (offense). You get 3000XP per run and it goes really quick (about 3-4 minutes per run). Put on a light body type so you run faster. I got my last audio logs this way, and it's so much faster than waiting while defending.
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Unfortunately no. I played through each missions twice in Versus and got it, but I was also hoping you could check using the star tracker that is advertised on the menu. But apparently that isn't even up yet.
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It has to be Online Versus, if you're asking about the Tough As Nails achievement. You can't do it in a private game.

Also, why would you choose to play defense to get your last audio logs? Defense is boring, takes forever, and hardly gets you any XP. I much much prefer running through Terminal on Security side (offense). You get 3000XP per run and it goes really quick (about 3-4 minutes per run). Put on a light body type so you run faster. I got my last audio logs this way, and it's so much faster than waiting while defending.
It's a quick 7 minutes, and I was already at level 20. I got my last few in games with friends, but to whittle them down to a good number, I just used that one. I did like 4 at a time, then went and did things IRL. lol
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I have shot people that were disguised but did not get the achievement a few times. Were you maybe an Operative ? When you focused to shoot maybe it revealed him. Maybe others can comment too and I'll change it.

I have them in this order because it's what the site has them as. I may change it to class specific and spruce things up if more people think it's needed. Thanks for the input, appreciate it!
My thoughts exactly regarding the spotting achievement.

Love the guide mate, always refreshing to see one that follows the guide guidelines
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Old 05-18-2011, 07:22 PM   #60
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great guide overall just done hard as nails so wil now use your guide to clean up offline many thx m8
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