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Old 06-20-2011, 12:50 AM   #1
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Should I start with American McGee's Alice?

I've played about 15 minutes into Madness Returns. I've never played AM's Alice- do you recommend I start with the original game first?
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:28 AM   #2
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I did & recommend doing so. You'll recognize characters and references you may not pick up on otherwise. And if you're going for achievement completion and therefore gonna play the original Alice anyway, they you definitely may as well play it first.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:32 AM   #3
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I agree, you can set the difficulty to easy and still get all the achievements. Also make sure you save frequently since some of the platforming is a pain.
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Old 06-20-2011, 01:55 AM   #4
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I concur. Playing the first is worth your time, and setting it to easy gets rid of (most of) the frustration. Still, save and save often, but the original game is still a fantastic game worth playing in its own right.
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:00 AM   #5
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I would seriously recommend playing the original before jumping into Madness returns. The first one will help you understand why things are they way they are, just remember to save...ALOT!
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Old 06-20-2011, 02:12 AM   #6
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I think you should. It looks like a really coold twisted game so why not haha
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Old 06-20-2011, 03:15 AM   #7
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I rented this game actually....would you guys recommend Amreican McGee's? 10.00 bucks for 100 GS.....
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:17 AM   #8
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If you're a completionist, or just want to fully understand things in Madness Returns, then yes. Play it first and purchase it for the 800 points.
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Old 06-20-2011, 04:31 AM   #9
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I purposefully played the original game first, and you should as well. It sets up the general plot for Madness, introduces the characters, and lets you fully appreciate the technical and gameplay advancements made in the eleven years since American Mcgee's Alice.
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Old 06-20-2011, 05:28 AM   #10
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In addition to the post above, by playing Alice first you get to see Wonderland at it's darkest hour both literally and figuratively. It really helps put into contrast Alice's growth and relationship with Wonderland and how she's been coping since her family's demise.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:24 AM   #11
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i thought it was good to do the story in order and i don't regret it. you do miss some key points if you don't.

Only thing that can really kill you in alice is your poor platforming and auto saves are a bit dodgy at best. i kept saving after every few platforms.

bosses need to know for some of them how to damage them.
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:46 PM   #12
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i am playing the first game first. i am on the last few levels of the game, so i can't comment on how much it ties in with madness, but its definitely a good game.

i've always been a fan of the saying "the beginning is a good place to start"
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Old 06-21-2011, 04:02 PM   #13
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i'm also disappointed that in madness returns lack boss fights compared to the first.
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How long is The ALICE DLC?
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:13 PM   #15
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How long is The ALICE DLC?
depends on setting, i did it on the easier setting and i think it took me around 5/6hrs, hardest thing is retracing steps due to platforming deaths and some annoying boss deaths, but if you watch a vid for a tip of what weapon its easy.
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i'm also disappointed that in madness returns lack boss fights compared to the first.
i was quite happy with that lol


at the end of chap 1 when the dormouse and the march hare are together, i was thinking "oh crap, here we go" and was pleasantly surprised
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Old 06-21-2011, 06:38 PM   #17
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depends on setting, i did it on the easier setting and i think it took me around 5/6hrs, hardest thing is retracing steps due to platforming deaths and some annoying boss deaths, but if you watch a vid for a tip of what weapon its easy.
What weapon?
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What weapon?
end boss i used the jabberwok staff for last boss then i remember using the ice wand a hell of a lot.
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Old 06-21-2011, 06:46 PM   #19
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end boss i used the jabberwok staff for last boss then i remember using the ice wand a hell of a lot.
is there a weapon you would recommend using through out the game?
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Old 06-21-2011, 06:52 PM   #20
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is there a weapon you would recommend using through out the game?
i used the ice wand pretty much 60% of the game, 30% being the crochet mallet 10% being the jaberwok staff which is op for the final boss.
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i used the ice wand pretty much 60% of the game, 30% being the crochet mallet 10% being the jaberwok staff which is op for the final boss.
i did the same thing, i pretty much used the knife (throwing) until i got the mallet, then i used that until i got the ice wand, then used that almost exclusively until the end

i used the jacks and the eye staff on the second to last boss battle, and the eye staff and blunderbuss on the last battle (the blunderbuss is hidden in low area during the final battle)
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i used the ice wand pretty much 60% of the game, 30% being the crochet mallet 10% being the jaberwok staff which is op for the final boss.

i would like to add that the jacks are AWESOME in the right situations. in the mirror maze in the mad hatters section, the jacks annihilate anything that gets in your way because they bounce around in narrow hallways. same thing a little further on in the labyrinth.

aside from that though, i'd say the same thing though. mallet until you get the ice wand, then its jacks in narrow hallways, icewand in wide open spaces.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:12 AM   #24
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How come there aren't any threads "stickied" in this forum, yet? This thread should be one of them, since there are over 900 views (as of this moment). I think it's a question MANY people would want to know, coming to the game for the first time.

I played the entire "Alice" game, first. I'm glad I did, not only to reacquaint myself with the game again (I have "Alice" on the PC), but for the fact that movement through the second game is far-improved over the original. Also, once you get used to what you can do in Alice: Madness Returns... you'll probably find yourself falling off of a cliff in the first game, because you thought you could reach the other side (sorry... no multi-jumps in the original Alice)!


Play the first game, get acquainted with the characters (don't get attached to them... you might cry alongside Alice), then see how your character (Alice) feels about them in the sequel!
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:03 AM   #25
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What weapon?
I found that once you get the jacks you would be set for the rest of the game except some bosses.
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Old 08-24-2011, 01:46 PM   #26
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I didn't really think about it first, but I went ahead and played Madness Returns before playing American McGee's. I feel like playing American McGee's afterwards is like playing a prequel in a sense.

Also, I feel like if I played American McGee's first I would probably get frustrated with it because the platforming and controls are so clunky. I might have given up on it, and it may have turned me off from completing the game entirely.

But now after beating Madness, I know that the only achievements I need is American McGee's so I'm forcing myself to get through this. I can imagine this game was much easier on PC.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:29 PM   #27
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I have rented the game, and decided to buy the first one, 800 MS points, and enjoyed the game quite alot. Without playing the first one I wouldn't get some of the references, or some of the story. So, in conclusion, yes I would recommend playing the first one before playing the second. though both are great games.
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:08 PM   #28
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Good info all, I played Alice Madness first, but will go back and play the original.
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Old 09-02-2011, 03:55 AM   #29
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The original was a slight pain at times and I even missed the ice wand :/. Save plenty of times and you shouldn't have a problem.
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Old 09-05-2011, 03:37 AM   #30
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I don't think it really matters which game you play first. I played Madness Returns first and I found that the few references that it made towards the first game just made me curious about the first game. The first game is a little tougher so maybe playing Madness Returns first is a good idea.
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