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Old 05-19-2012, 07:15 AM   #31
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I was on home, i wasnt actually going for lair king i was going for the no move prompt one but noticed when i got to the final scene my scores matched.

It added the 49pts on every life but the last one and yes it was on home, do it again on arcade.
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It seems that my problem with Lair King was the sections where I choose to save the game: I had just saved the game at the end of the black knight on horse room (diving into the hole) and entered the next room with 17,283 which is the correct amount for the run I was on. I lost a life in the next room and reloaded the save, but my score had shrunk down to 10,685 (though my lives are still at 5). I then saved my game again immediately after the reload, and when I came back my score remained at 10,685- my assumption is that you have to make sure to save at the very start of each new room, rather than at the end of one.

Edit: yeah, got Lair King first try after changing where I save the game. I was originally afraid of entering a room that has a fast first action (like the spinning obstacles) so I'd save when leaving a room, but it's safer to your score to just save as you enter a new one and take a hit and reload if necessary.

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played through on arcade and got it..Pretty dumb I had to play all over again cause of 49 pts.But it's done now that's all that matters
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As long as you save before making a move/scoring in a room you should be alright as when you reload it begins you at that start of that room as though you had just entered. The only room that had a movement that I found quick enough to be problematic was the Grim Reaper room with the spinning poles as not only is the first move almost instant its also a time sensitive one.

As has been stated Lair King must be done on Easy/Arcade. Hard misses the first whirlpool, Home doesn't award points at the "wow" when entering the final scene. The missing draw bridge scene doesn't award points and the points for the Giddy Goons room are the same regardless of your route. The place where people are most likely to mess this achievement up are by leaving the falling platform early or by bodging the saving sequence in the lair.
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For my Lair King run, I saved at the beginning of each and every scene, even if I knew the moves to do. I never thought about the points added, but my score never screwed up. I died maybe 4 times total, reloading each time. My score when reaching the dragon's lair was 288,543 (with the 49 points added for starting that scene), so I knew that if I did everything correctly, I would get the achievement.


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Few tips that might Roadmap look a little better: Flip the bolds on the roadmap. Estimated Difficulty: 2/10. I'm not really sure why people have done it the opposite way. I understand many people do it this way and I may have even tried it before myself. I really think it would look better the other way

Another thing, can you fit the roadmap on one page?
In all my guides, I have always bolded the information, not the categories. I looked at your "I Am Alive" guide, which is as you suggest, and I just don't like the way it looks. But, your Jurassic Park roadmap is bolded the same way as my guide.

The roadmap categories are the same for every game, but the information changes, that's why you bold the information. At least that's what I believe.

Also, if you look at actual published guides, the information is bolded and the roadmap categories aren't.

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Old 05-20-2012, 03:13 AM   #36
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Any thoughts on this?

I played on Easy/Arcade, saved at the beginning of each area, and reloaded after dying, so I had 5 lives at the final scene. I exited the platform on the third or ninth ledges as appropriate.

Yet somehow my score was only 285,288 when I got the dragon's lair. I have no idea why it is not optimal.

EDIT: Well, I got it on a second run through. I wish I knew what happened that first time.
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:15 AM   #37
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I have no idea what was wrong, although I do think it was one of the platforms. On your first run, did you jump off twice at the 3rd ledge and twice at the 9th ledge? There's two of each (both mirrored). It's a difference of 3,255, which is the amount of points awarded if you jump off at the 9th ledge. Maybe you jumped off at the 6th and thought it was the 9th, but that difference is exactly how many points you were short. That's probably it.

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I suppose it had to be one of the elevators. I did look at the scoring chart, but in the end it was moot, as I had no way of going back to replay what I missed.
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:19 AM   #39
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Played it on arcade and got it. I did it the hard way and just saved at every elevator just to be safe. They were the only places I knew the score didn't change after I reloaded my save.
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I'm consistently reaching Singe with 285288 despite not missing a beat. I've only saved at the elevator scenes and made sure to jump off of those at the very last floor. I don't understand why I'm not getting there with 288543 for the life of me.
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I'm consistently reaching Singe with 285288 despite not missing a beat. I've only saved at the elevator scenes and made sure to jump off of those at the very last floor. I don't understand why I'm not getting there with 288543 for the life of me.

Reached Singe with 285288 twice now as well. Also made sure to jump off elevator on the last floors.

I did notice both times it skips the opening drawbridge scene?
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Reached Singe with 285288 twice now as well. Also made sure to jump off elevator on the last floors.

I did notice both times it skips the opening drawbridge scene?
It always skips that scene on Arcade, but it isn't worth any points anyway.
But Home tallies points inconsistently and Hard is missing the first scene from Ye Whirlpools which is why we have to do it on Easy Arcade anyway.

Just can't fathom why it's always 285288.
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Unfortunately there are quite a few moves that could account for the missing 3255 points (I'm not even going to consider the possibilities of combined move scores). The scene/room will always occur on one of the numbers in the three number sequence xx/xx/xx, bold moves are ones that award the missing 3255 points.

  • Falling Platform (Three Floors) - 4/17/30 - Leaving the platform (L) at any of the three floors awards 3255 points so you can't possibly miss these.
  • Cauldron Room - 8/21/34 - U, S, D, S, R
  • Giddy Goons - 9/22/35 - S, R, S (or U), U
  • Pool Room - 10/23/36 - L, U, R, U, L, U, S, R, U
  • Pool Room (Mirrored) - 10/23/36 - R, U, L, U, R, U, S, L, U
  • Throne Room - 12/25/38 - R, R. R. R
  • Falling Platform (Nine Floors) - 13/26 - Again, as long as you move off the platform these points are awarded.
  • Dragon's Lair - 39 - L, L, L, L, L, R, U, S, S, U, S
Try again and pay particular attention to those rooms. If you're still short let me know if your score is different and I'll try and narrow it down some more.
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Cheers, will do. Although I know for a fact I'm getting every one of those. So dang frustrating.
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Unfortunately there are quite a few moves that could account for the missing 3255 points (I'm not even going to consider the possibilities of combined move scores). The scene/room will always occur on one of the numbers in the three number sequence xx/xx/xx, bold moves are ones that award the missing 3255 points.
  • Falling Platform (Three Floors) - 4/17/30 - Leaving the platform (L) at any of the three floors awards 3255 points so you can't possibly miss these.
  • Cauldron Room - 8/21/34 - U, S, D, S, R
  • Giddy Goons - 9/22/35 - S, R, S (or U), U
  • Pool Room - 10/23/36 - L, U, R, U, L, U, S, R, U
  • Pool Room (Mirrored) - 10/23/36 - R, U, L, U, R, U, S, L, U
  • Throne Room - 12/25/38 - R, R. R. R
  • Falling Platform (Nine Floors) - 13/26 - Again, as long as you move off the platform these points are awarded.
  • Dragon's Lair - 39 - L, L, L, L, L, R, U, S, S, U, S
Try again and pay particular attention to those rooms. If you're still short let me know if your score is different and I'll try and narrow it down some more.
I see where you are going with this. The problem I see here is that all the scenes are *required* moves to complete that scene, so there is no way they can miss getting those points; if you don't do those moves, you die. For the platforms, according to the scoring chart, if it's the 3-ledge scene, you could jump off at the first or second ledge and still get the 3255 points. Same with the 9-ledge; jump off at the 7th or 8th and get the required points (again, according to the scoring chart, which was made from the original arcade cabinet version, so it might be incorrect for the consoles. You may have to jump off at the actual third and ninth ledges).

My suggestion is to save at the beginning of each platform scene, hell, save at the beginning of every scene (in case you die). Let it fall past the third ledge, and if it continues, great, jump off at the NINTH ledge (not the 7th or 8th). If it doesn't continue, reload and jump off at the THIRD ledge (not the 1st or 2nd). This is how I got Lair King on my first try; I saved at the beginning of each and every scene, even if I knew the moves. Make sure you are playing on Easy and Arcade!

There was a similar debate on PS3T.org in their guide forum about this very thing. I don't think they ever came up with a final solution for the dilemma, but here's the link regardless.

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My suggestion is to save at the beginning of each platform scene, hell, save at the beginning of every scene (in case you die). Let it fall past the third ledge, and if it continues, great, jump off at the NINTH ledge (not the 7th or 8th). If it doesn't continue, reload and jump off at the THIRD ledge (not the 1st or 2nd). This is how I got Lair King on my first try; I saved at the beginning of each and every scene, even if I knew the moves. Make sure you are playing on Easy and Arcade!
See, this is exactly what I did on my first playthrough. I saved at the beginning of each scene, and for the platform scenes, I let Dirk die so I knew when to get off the platform, then reloaded and got off at the right time. And yet I got to the lair with 285,288.

On my second attempt, I got to Singe with the correct amount of points, and yet, I really didn't do anything differently. The only change was the fact that I used the arcade overlay on my first play, but not my second. Though I don't see how that would make a difference.

It's all very odd, even more so since others seem to have the same problem.
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I've done three or four play thrus of this over the weekend in an attempt to get Lair King following the guide, and I keep being 49 points short. I triple checked my settings each time and they were all correct (on easy/arcade/controller). What's weird is all my points will match what they are supposed to for the 5 deaths at the dragon, being 49 points short only shows up at the very last life when I kill the dragon (427,420 instead of 427,469). I've been doing it with move guide off, just out of habit from my first play thru, so I'm going to try it again with the move guide on just to see if that helps. Any suggestions?

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I've done three or four play thrus of this over the weekend in an attempt to get Lair King following the guide, and I keep being 49 points short. I triple checked my settings each time and they were all correct (on easy/arcade/controller). What's weird is all my points will match what they are supposed to for the 5 deaths at the dragon, being 49 points short only shows up at the very last life when I kill the dragon (427,420 instead of 427,469). I've been doing it with move guide off, just out of habit from my first play thru, so I'm going to try it again with the move guide on just to see if that helps. Any suggestions?

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Are you sure you're in Arcade Mode (selected at the new game screen), having the arcade cabinet overlay turned on from settings is not the same and those 49 points can only really be the ones that are missed in Home Mode.
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Are you sure you're in Arcade Mode (selected at the new game screen), having the arcade cabinet overlay turned on from settings is not the same and those 49 points can only really be the ones that are missed in Home Mode.
Absolutely positive that it's on "Arcade" not the console overlay.
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Tried many many times, always 285288. Just cannot pinpoint why, and I'm being super careful
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Just tried Lair King with a few alts and turned the cabinet overlay on des seem to consistently fix the issue of finishing with 285,288 points.
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I've done three or four play thrus of this over the weekend in an attempt to get Lair King following the guide, and I keep being 49 points short. I triple checked my settings each time and they were all correct (on easy/arcade/controller). What's weird is all my points will match what they are supposed to for the 5 deaths at the dragon, being 49 points short only shows up at the very last life when I kill the dragon (427,420 instead of 427,469). I've been doing it with move guide off, just out of habit from my first play thru, so I'm going to try it again with the move guide on just to see if that helps. Any suggestions?

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So when you die (before you are resurrected), the points match what it says in the guide? Or did you have the points listed in the guide after you are resurrected when Dirk says "Wow"? Because when he says "Wow", the game has already added 49 points more than what's listed in the guide (scene starting bonus). Those points listed are your "death" points (before being resurrected).

I played my Lair King playthrough with the move guide off to minimize how many playthroughs I had to do (ended up it was one for each difficulty). So I know it's not the move guide. And you said you didn't have the arcade overlay on...

There might be one solution the the missing 49 points in the Mist / Snake Room. This is from the PS3T.org forum:
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Just to help out those who are coming up 49 points short. I can't speak for everyone, but in my case I figured out the trouble spot. The room with the giant snakes allows you to pass it by doing 2 sword strikes and then climbing the rope in the center. You must however do the 3rd sword strike on the 3rd snake to net the 49 points associated with this move. It happens really fast and if you miss it, it will still let you advance the scene (in easy mode). Hard mode makes you do this to survive, but easy mode lets you skip it and thus skip the 49 points. Took me about 12 playthroughs to figure this out. Hopefully it helps other people.
Does this seem plausible? People just might be missing that third Sword move and pressing Up, thus bypassing the 49 point move. I'm going to test it out tonight and report my findings. That may just be it. But, Foot said that he had the correct amount of points after each death in the Dragon's Lair and it messed up on his last life. Hmm...

The only other two places where 49 points are awarded (excluding starting each scene) are in the Green Tentacle / Halberd Rack room (the first Sword move to chop the first tentacle; if you don't do this, you die) and in the Giant Bat scene after you kill the giant bat (49 points are awarded for going through the door on Easy despite not making any moves. You have to press Left to exit on Hard, which also awards you 49 points). So, you get those points regardless.

It seems we have two issues here; one where 49 points is missing and another where 3,255 points are missing. Dakota, what were your findings on the missing 3,255 points with the arcade overlay? Was it indeed the overlay causing the problem, or did you have anything else turned on/off?
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EDIT - Sure enough, you only have to do three moves in the Mist / Snake Room on Easy, not four. By not doing that third Sword input, you miss getting the extra 49 points. I just tried it about 4 or 5 times both ways just to be sure. My score had a 49 point difference each time (and the starting points always stayed the same).

The normal moves are:
  • Scene start - 49 points
  • Sword when the first snake pops up and opens it's mouth - 495 points
  • Sword again when the next snake appears - 2675 points
  • Sword a third time when the third snake appears - 49 points
  • Up immediately to pull on the skull and grab the rope - 1939 points
  • Total - 5207 points
Those are the only 49 points in the game that can be bypassed/missed. It has to be this room where people aren't doing all the moves. The only other scenes that have 49 point moves (besides the starting move) are the Giant Bat and the Tentacle room.

I guess this is another shortcut move similar to the Giddy Goons scene, but you miss out on points if you do it here.

So, if you're going for "Lair King", make sure you do FOUR moves in this scene, not three. I will edit the achievement solution to reflect this. I also edited the walkthrough thread.

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What exactly are your settings? Mine were:
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  • Arcade mode
  • Full Screen mode (not arcade overlay)
  • Move Guide Off
Dakota hinted that playing with the arcade overlay on might be the problem, but he wasn't specific.

Those are the only things I changed when I did my Lair King run and I got it first try. Here is what I did in my playthrough:
  1. I saved at the beginning of every scene (I didn't notice if the scene starting points had added yet; probably did, but I didn't have any issues with my points). If I died, I quit to the main menu, hit Play, then Resume Game.
  2. I used my walkthrough for every scene (even if I knew the moves. When I saved, I left the game paused and read the moves for that scene, then resumed the game).
  3. I let the platform fall past the 3rd ledge every time to see if it was extended or not each of the four platform scenes. If it continued past the 3rd ledge, I jumped off at the 9th one. If I crashed, I reloaded my save.
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EDIT - Ok, I just did a run on Easy/Arcade, with the move guide ON and had the arcade monitor ON, and when I reached the dragon's lair, I had 288,543. I made sure I did the four moves in the Snake Room scene and didn't use the shortcut move in the Giddy Goons scene. So it's not the arcade monitor or the move guide that's denying the 3,255 points.

I kept track of every single scene. I saved at the beginning of every scene and wrote down what the starting score was and then the ending score and subtracted and that amount equaled what it says on the scoring chart perfectly. What's funny is that when I did the four platforms, while there were two 3-ledge and two 9-ledge, neither 3-ledge one was reversed/mirrored. One of the 9-ledge ones was mirrored, but not a 3-ledge one. I found that strange. I got the right amount of points for them, though.

So I've done it on Easy/Arcade/Move Guide OFF/Full Screen and Easy/Arcade/Move Guide ON/Arcade Monitor. It's not the move guide, not the visual mode, and you have to play on Easy and Arcade mode. What is it?!

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I used Easy/Arcade with the Cabinet Overlay on. I saved at the beginning of each scene and left the falling platform at the last floor in each instance. I avoided the two shortcuts that have been mentioned. It worked on my own account when my Lair King fell short. A few friends turned the overlay on after ending 3255 points short and it worked first time.

The overlay may not be the issue but it's certainly worth a try.

The only scenes with missable point scoring moves seem to be the falling platforms and the snakes. The snakes only account for 49 points and all instances of the falling platform scene guarantee 3304 points regardless of when you get off.

I'm just going to have to call this one plain old buggy.
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So when you die (before you are resurrected), the points match what it says in the guide? Or did you have the points listed in the guide after you are resurrected when Dirk says "Wow"? Because when he says "Wow", the game has already added 49 points more than what's listed in the guide (scene starting bonus). Those points listed are your "death" points (before being resurrected).
I was double checking points after resurrecting/wow before I saved, so that's likely why I didn't catch the difference until the end.


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Those are the only 49 points in the game that can be bypassed/missed. It has to be this room where people aren't doing all the moves. The only other scenes that have 49 point moves (besides the starting move) are the Giant Bat and the Tentacle room.

I guess this is another shortcut move similar to the Giddy Goons scene, but you miss out on points if you do it here.

So, if you're going for "Lair King", make sure you do FOUR moves in this scene, not three. I will edit the achievement solution to reflect this. I also edited the walkthrough thread.
I have always been doing the snake scene with two swords then pressing up, so this may be what I'm missing. Still seems kinda glitchy because I've also been short the 3,000 points like some others, but once I was more mindful of my saving that seemed to cure that problem. Soon as I get a chance I will do ANOTHER play thru on Easy/Arcade/No overlay/Move guide on to help with snake scene. If I'm successful I'll post here. Thanks for all the help!

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Old 05-22-2012, 07:10 PM   #56
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"Date with Daphney" - I tried unplugging from the net, changing the system clock to 6/19/2012, and playing a game. No achievement unlocked. Also tried 6/19/2011. Any tips for what I might be doing wrong?
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Depending on your region settings it will be either 19/06 or 06/19, as there's been no update it should still wrk but I'll test it again on an alt and see if it unlocks for me
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"Date with Daphney" - I tried unplugging from the net, changing the system clock to 6/19/2012, and playing a game. No achievement unlocked. Also tried 6/19/2011. Any tips for what I might be doing wrong?
Hmm, worked first try for me. After I downloaded the game, I turned off my console. I unplugged the ethernet cord while the console was off, started the console, went to system settings to change the date. Then, without plugging in the cord, I started the game. I think it was on Easy/Arcade/Move Guide On/Arcade Monitor and it unlocked for me no problem.

I happened to unlock five achievements while I was offline (Daphne, Going Down, Eat Me, One More Quarter and Giddy Gone). I did that all in one game (which was not my Lair King run). I then played another game on Hard offline to unlock Choked Out.

I see no reason why it shouldn't work. Is there any way to back out of Date & Time without saving the new settings?

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As soon as you exact that screen it saves the new settings, though if you bring up the guide and quick launch something you may get round it. Once you've plugged your router/adaptor abck in I'm pretty sure you need to manually reconnect to live as well unless you reboot your machine., at least mine has never auto connected after reconnecting my router,
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I unlocked "Date with Daphne" on three dummy profiles last night. For each of them, I went through the steps (with console off, I unplugged ethernet, changed the date, played a game offline, achievement unlocked). After every profile test, I powered down the console and plugged in the ethernet and turned the machine on for the date to reset. Then I turned it off again and unplugged the ethernet, etc. I did this for every profile. The achievement unlocked on every profile.

I didn't have to manually connect to Live since I plugged in my ethernet with the console off.

ptc, I don't know what you did differently for it not to unlock...
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