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Old 09-27-2013, 02:02 AM   #1
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Urgent Announcement for ANYONE who used alternate region accounts!

Microsoft, without any announcement I've heard of just yet, is doing MASS bans on consoles. I too am affected by this, receiving a disconnect from Xbox Live no more than 10 minutes ago with a Console Ban in place.

Basically, what occurred was quite a few games appeared free on marketplaces in countries such as Oman, Morocco, Bosnia, Russia, etc. An Xbox Live error but one that has been exploited by users for the past 5+ years. They've never cracked down this hard in previous errors...and now they are:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/topic/3...ent-20/page-12

Veteran users all over the place banned, it's not just the newbies we once "shunned" as fakers or people who did SOMETHING ELSE bad on their accounts. No, this is from downloading games that were mistakingly free and I'm assuming, due to the mass number of these downloads (30 some games just about? Including the brand new Rayman Legends)...Microsoft acted.

They may make an announcement or a news article might pop up soon but whatever the case...I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS WILL HELP YOU ALL OUT OR NOT, BUT DELETE YOUR ALTERNATE PROFILES AND THE GAMES IMMEDIATELY!

So far it doesn't appear that they're banning gamertags, just the consoles...and unless you want to keep these games on that console, I highly suggest at least removing that shit unless you want to risk from what was turning out to be a .001% chance of banning to a 70+% chance of being banned.

I'm not some bullshitter...I'm Uncle TV, looking out for you my brothas *bumpfist*.
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Not sure why an announcement would be needed as it is pretty clearly against the Terms of Use if anyone bothered to read them.... And deleting it doesn't make a difference, it is a trivial act to run a query on their database to see the console IDs where they were downloaded.

As far as I am aware, MS does not keep track of what you have on your hard drive, but they definitely keep track of what has been downloaded on each profile and what the IP address was.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:19 AM   #3
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Well we shall see. If it is a console ban and not an account ban, maybe M$ is trying to recoup some of the money "lost" by getting people to buy new consoles.
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I got hit. I've spent over $2500 on my Xbox and for them to ban BOTH my console and my profile, is way too severe for a first offense. If they had only banned my console, I would have bought another and downloaded my profile. But I am not starting over from scratch. Besides Rayman Legends, these were games I would have never bought in the first place. And I would have bought Rayman Legends eventually when the price dropped, as I do all games I want. They have lost any chance of me ever giving them any more money in any way.
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Not sure why an announcement would be needed as it is pretty clearly against the Terms of Use if anyone bothered to read them.... And deleting it doesn't make a difference, it is a trivial act to run a query on their database to see the console IDs where they were downloaded.

As far as I am aware, MS does not keep track of what you have on your hard drive, but they definitely keep track of what has been downloaded on each profile and what the IP address was.
Well, I suppose I'm sort of fueled up by emotions right now...I'm progressively getting madder and madder at the whole situation but I'm trying to keep my cool. I figure an announcement would allow people a chance to get out before the ban happened but based on what you said, it's unavoidable - once it's downloaded, you're screwed.

Heh...my GT's still there and...I know this is kind of a weird thing to ask because of the circumstances but...I do have another Xbox hanging around .__. this doesn't bar me or anyone else from tournaments (including the GSL) right? I mean we all did stuff we've done for years that's been around and these mass bannings are sort of new for MS in regards to the region-related stuff...

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Well we shall see. If it is a console ban and not an account ban, maybe M$ is trying to recoup some of the money "lost" by getting people to buy new consoles.
That does make sense, just hope tags don't get banned. I heard something on CAG about some tags being banned alongside it. BTW, I got your message on Xbox Live...;>___> then I was banned like 5 minutes after. I guess what I said was wrong ^__^; it's true. Hah...hah.......*mental breakdown*

Edit: Oh this really sucks, a really good buddy of mine just had his ACCOUNT banned because of this. Ugh...
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Anyone have any contacts in the media? Could be a "dark horse" story here.
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Heh...my GT's still there and...I know this is kind of a weird thing to ask because of the circumstances but...I do have another Xbox hanging around .__. this doesn't bar me or anyone else from tournaments (including the GSL) right? I mean we all did stuff we've done for years that's been around and these mass bannings are sort of new for MS in regards to the region-related stuff...
As long as your gamertag isn't banned, it doesn't affect the GSL.
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Cool, cool. Thanks for the info. I'm going to miss my slim...I really don't like my white Xbox ;>_> I need component cables, I hate SD quality with 360 games...
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They took my tag and my xbox....

why......

why did they take my tag.........

take my xbox...... not my tag......... I need my tag.....
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Cool, cool. Thanks for the info. I'm going to miss my slim...I really don't like my white Xbox ;>_> I need component cables, I hate SD quality with 360 games...
I'd suggest contacting Microsoft and letting them know that it was simply a mistake on their part.
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I only got console banned luckily my gt still works. Also wanna give a thanks to all the people who put effort into getting these free games to us,so we can all enjoy...
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For what purpose? Hey I accessed content I was legally not entitled to, created fake accounts to download and exploit things and now I got in trouble.

What's the story? Yeah it sucks for those who it happened to, but I mean come on it's not like people who did it didn't know they were exploting loopholes and such.
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I left a post on their support forums, unfortunately I have a tendency to tell the truth so ;>_> ...

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I'm aware of the reasons for my console being banned. Lately, several titles have gone up for free on different Regions' marketplaces and thus myself (as well as many others who I'm sure will be storming these forums over the next day or so) will tell you that their consoles have been banned for the same thing.

I would like to request that in exchange for me deleting all of that content and closing those alternate accounts, that I could have the console "unbanned". It may be a vein attempt...and I expect to see a generated message about why the console was banned rather than a legitimate response. However, I have been a loyal customer to Microsoft's Xbox 360 for well over 6 years now and to see my slim unusable...it's such a waste. I must admit I was led astray, for years people have been making accounts for years to obtain content that showed up free on other marketplaces but never have they showed up to such an extent as these past few weeks. I was assured of little to no risk in doing so but now I just want things back to normal.

Look I understand the acquisition was illegitimate but I'd rather not lose my Xbox over some games. So I ask, sincerely, to please unban my 360 console as I remove the tags and any content gained from them. Thank you for your time. "
Not sure if that will unban me but...I at least stated what I'd do (and have done, those accounts and the content is gone). If they don't unban it...*sigh*...poor Slim =/....I do feel bad though, as I preached the little to no risk myself to many people when were WERE talking about here on this forum. I assumed that was THE TRUTH, that they didn't act on any of this crap...but now when I finally take advantage of this silly stuff, bam my console is banned.
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For what purpose? Hey I accessed content I was legally not entitled to, created fake accounts to download and exploit things and now I got in trouble.

What's the story? Yeah it sucks for those who it happened to, but I mean come on it's not like people who did it didn't know they were exploting loopholes and such.
I don't think many people here are going to argue that some punishment was completely unjustified. For instance, of course it makes sense to ban the foreign accounts set up to download games. By doing that, Microsoft was insuring that they didn't make their way into the hands of other people, and on to other consoles. I understand that.

Furthermore, I understand a console ban, if that was all it was. It's a punitive step, but it says hey, this console has games on it that you shouldn't have put on there, and hence this console can't go online. Now that you've cut off the account, they can't download them again, and once you ban the console, you insure that they can't ever do anything but play those games offline on that console. Problem solved.

BUT! This is where it becomes over the top, considering this whole issue was a mistake on Microsoft's part. Banning a console isn't just banning a console. I haven't figured it all out, and some here might explain it better, but a ban means that it corrupts your saves and profiles on the banned console. They work on that console, but not another one, so for instance if you put 200 hours into Skyrim? Well, that save is now stuck on a console that thanks to poor craftsmanship, might overheat and die. I read they used to corrupt the entire hard drive, but not sure about that, it seems they just screw with your saves and profile now.

That's when it starts to go over the line to me, I get the console ban if that's all it was (it isn't, it's worse than that). I get the foreign accounts ban. I don't get screwing with people's saves, that's just abusive. Furthermore, the banning main accounts? If it was just a gamerscore, and this might be blasphemy, I kind of get that. But, it's not just that. It is cutting the user off from what could have been thousands of dollars in unspent points, and digital purchases. It's kind of like shoplifting from Wal-Mart (really it would be more like buying penny guides) and having someone come to your house and take everything you ever purchased from there.

Yeah, I get that downloading a free game, in this manner could be immoral (but if you never planned on buying it in the first place, it's kind of a victimless crime). But, I do think that Microsoft's reaction is overblown, and to me is a major warning about investing in them in the future.

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I honestly don't know why they would do this so close to the One. I can imagine a fair few people getting angry and getting a PS4 instead.
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I lot of people have got banned.

I wonder if we can fight this in any way......
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I wonder if we can fight this in any way......
You cant in anyway.

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For what purpose? Hey I accessed content I was legally not entitled to, created fake accounts to download and exploit things and now I got in trouble.

What's the story? Yeah it sucks for those who it happened to, but I mean come on it's not like people who did it didn't know they were exploting loopholes and such.
Headline "Microsoft mass banning consoles for downloading content from different regions"

LOL, No, I don't think it will make it OK. I do however BELIEVE that bad PR, whatever the reason, is not wanted on their part. (Although, they are M$ and don't seem to care most of the time) Just seems funny that they are just trickling out bans instead of the mass bannings in the past. Considering their presales on xbones is getting smoked by PS4 presales seems anymore bad PR would be detrimental to their consoles.
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For what purpose? Hey I accessed content I was legally not entitled to, created fake accounts to download and exploit things and now I got in trouble.

What's the story? Yeah it sucks for those who it happened to, but I mean come on it's not like people who did it didn't know they were exploting loopholes and such.
Agreed. People who did this had to know it was shady from the get go even if it has gone on for a long time without consequence. You take a risk doing in this kind of thing, sometimes you lose. I'm pretty happy I never tried this.

This is going to be an interesting thread to keep an eye on in the coming days, if this is ends up actually being a big deal.

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I honestly don't know why they would do this so close to the One. I can imagine a fair few people getting angry and getting a PS4 instead.
Oh yeah. People with gamerscores in the hundreds of thousands who get their Gamertag banned are going to be pissed. If the tags are getting banned, I guarantee you this would cause some people to switch.
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To those who have been banned how many different accounts did you make/games did you download? Also did you get an email from MS about it?

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Oh my god TV, that really sucks. Thank goodness you still have your account though, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to lose that.

My account and console are both safe atm, but hot shit this is scary. I'm just going to stay offline for awhile and hope this blows over in the coming weeks.

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I'm hoping my lack of Bosnian account will be my saving grace.
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I do wonder what make them decide to either ban the console alone or the console and gamertag.
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I made one account each for Morocco, Oman, and Bosnia.
For Morocco I downloaded several of the free Arcade titles, and Injustice. My connection isn't that fast, and I moved Injustice up the download list, but the last few didn't complete.

On the Oman account, I got Dark, and Arcadia. I also re-purchased the Arcade titles that failed (2 or 3) and got the rest of the Arcade titles I didn't have yet. I think I got a couple DLCs to, games I didn't even have but thought looked interesting.

On the Bosnian account I got Rayman, and Fable III and that was it.

The Oman and Bosnian accounts were banned within seconds of each other (both go an email). Not sure about the Moroccan account but I assume it was as well. Main account is not banned, not sure about the console because I'm not going to go on Live and let them corrupt my saves and what not until I figure out more.

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The bans seem to be specific to the Oman and Bosnia region glitches, as those accounts show as banned (marketplace theft)...going to assume Morroco is undoubtedly included as well.
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Old 09-27-2013, 04:54 AM   #30
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Oh my god TV, that really sucks. Thank goodness you still have your account though, I can't imagine how difficult it would be to lose that.

My account doesn't appear to be banned (yet), no email and xbox.com isn't declaring me banned, but now I'm afraid to even turn on my console Hot shit this is scary, I can live with a console ban (it'd still suck, but lesser of two evils) but I'd rather just not even bring any attention to myself. I'm just going to stay offline for awhile and hope this blows over in the coming weeks.

Should be noted that all I grabbed was Angry Birds, Dark, and those 11ish XBLA games. I never did the locale change trick for Arcadia and Injustice(?), nor did I do that ad trick people were doing for Injustice. I didn't make an account for Rayman Legends either, thinking that would just be playing with fire, so hopefully they ignore me.
Staying offline won't matter. If it is banned, once it goes online you will be notified of it being banned.
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