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Old 09-27-2013, 03:02 PM   #1
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Microsoft Bans: Need responses from GSL Participants

Anyone who downloaded free games by creating alternate accounts in different regions runs the risk of having their console banned. Anyone who has played those games with their current Gamertag runs the risk of having their 'tag banned. To find out more, read up on this link:

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What we need is members who've signed up for GSL using this method. If your console is banned, you may still compete in GSL. However, if your 'tag is banned, you are removed from GSL as per the rules.

Please get in touch with your team to find out if any are at risk and please notify me. If you don't wish to publicly post this info, please use PM's. If you have a staff member on your team, just let them know as they have access to a thread in the staff forum to let us know.

Thank you for helping us stay on top of this.

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Old 09-27-2013, 03:38 PM   #2
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Why is it ok if you get console banned but not gt banned? A further more why are you punishing entire teams if 1 person is banned for marketplace theft? Makes no sense to kick out teams who didn't break the rules because one of their team members did.
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Old 09-27-2013, 03:47 PM   #3
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Why is it ok if you get console banned but not gt banned? A further more why are you punishing entire teams if 1 person is banned for marketplace theft? Makes no sense to kick out teams who didn't break the rules because one of their team members did.
If you get console banned you can still use your gamertag on any other console. Therefore your actual profile isn't really affected - in all honesty if that happens to someone then we don't even need to know about it (unless they only have one console and don't have access to another and think they may need to withdraw).

As for the other point - that has been in the rules forever, so no point complaining about it now. If a member of a team gets their gamertag banned FOR ANY REASON then that team is out. The team in question would be down a player anyway and, at this late stage, there would be no time for replacements.

I think this post is only asking for a heads up because of the unusual nature of recent events, which could lead to a mass of bans. We just don't know at this point.
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Old 09-27-2013, 03:50 PM   #4
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If you get console banned you can still use your gamertag on any other console. Therefore your actual profile isn't really affected - in all honesty if that happens to someone then we don't even need to know about it (unless they only have one console and don't have access to another and think they may need to withdraw).

As for the other point - that has been in the rules forever, so no point complaining about it now. If a member of a team gets their gamertag banned FOR ANY REASON then that team is out. The team in question would be down a player anyway and, at this late stage, there would be no time for replacements.

I think this post is only asking for a heads up because of the unusual nature of recent events, which could lead to a mass of bans. We just don't know at this point.
Wasn't really complaining was just curious to why it was a rule, either way thanks for the reply. Wasn't aware that you weren't letting 3 player teams continue on even if they lost a player for whatever reason.
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Wasn't really complaining was just curious to why it was a rule, either way thanks for the reply. Wasn't aware that you weren't letting 3 player teams continue on even if they lost a player for whatever reason.
This was actually mentioned in discussion for a future revision to the rules but we've decided to stick with it, as is, for the time being for a couple of reasons.

1) Anyone that is banned is out of the contest so their team would stand pretty much zero chance of winning.
2) We want people to vet and know their teammates as much as possible beforehand. This rule means that people are more likely to make sure their colleagues aren't doing anything suspicious. It doesn't always work (as seen this year) but it helps.
3) We used to allow substitutes in earlier GSL's and it led to A LOT of issues, accusations of cheating and drama. So the no subs rule has been present ever since.
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This was actually mentioned in discussion for a future revision to the rules but we've decided to stick with it, as is, for the time being for a couple of reasons.

1) Anyone that is banned is out of the contest so their team would stand pretty much zero chance of winning.
2) We want people to vet and know their teammates as much as possible beforehand. This rule means that people are more likely to make sure their colleagues aren't doing anything suspicious. It doesn't always work (as seen this year) but it helps.
3) We used to allow substitutes in earlier GSL's and it led to A LOT of issues, accusations of cheating and drama. So the no subs rule has been present ever since.
You'd think I'd have know that having been here so long lol
As for number 1, seemed like most just wanted to contribute towards the cross site competition and not really caring much about "winning" the gsl vs other teams on x360a. Surely those teams wouldn't care about being a player short? Just seems like perhaps an exception could be made for this particular GSL since it's not like the other GSL's.
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2) We want people to vet and know their teammates as much as possible beforehand. This rule means that people are more likely to make sure their colleagues aren't doing anything suspicious. It doesn't always work (as seen this year) but it helps.
The problem with that however, was that Microsoft wasn't really banning alot of people for doing the same thing when it came to gamerpics or older arcade titles over the last few years.

All of a sudden, it became an issue for them when it came to new retail and arcade games, so I doubt anyone would have known that this was going to be an issue weeks (or even months) after they did it.

Has any team been removed from the competition yet because of this? Will PS3T cut out teams from their competition in the interests of keeping the team sizes even?
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You'd think I'd have know that having been here so long lol
As for number 1, seemed like most just wanted to contribute towards the cross site competition and not really caring much about "winning" the gsl vs other teams on x360a. Surely those teams wouldn't care about being a player short? Just seems like perhaps an exception could be made for this particular GSL since it's not like the other GSL's.
Yeah, I would have loved to help out, a player short wouldn't have stopped me from contributing as much as I could. I can kind of see why they're doing it, but like you said, this GSL is slightly different and now I get to miss out on what would have been my first GSL.
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Has any team been removed from the competition yet because of this? Will PS3T cut out teams from their competition in the interests of keeping the team sizes even?
No one has been removed yet. We will post an updated count of teams when the number changes. We will not announce "hey 'such and such' and 'so and so' just got banned! That would be way out of line on our end. As far as PS3T is concerned, we have no control over what they do. We let them know what we can, when we can and go from there. We have a lot on our plate right now, so patience and helping us when we ask for it goes a long way.
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My team seem to be okay. For now.
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Ahh shit. Well I risk being banned I guess. I am heading out tonight and will be gone all weekend. I will be sure to tell my team to post in here with all updates on whether they did or did not get the free games.
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So far I'm still out of commission as far as my slim goes. I do have a white Xbox 360 available, it requires a direct connection to a modem which doesn't prevent me from doing this competition so I'm still in. Well, assuming no other issues come up ^_^; I best get my old Xbox set up to make sure everything's good and golden!

Edit: And it's set up! I need dem component cables...but otherwise, it even has an HDD! Which my slim did not! Could be a refreshing change in pace...and for being an older model, it doesn't seem that loud.
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I only own one console, so if I'm banned then I'm automatically out of the tournament anyway. Shite..
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Just for clarification.... If you get banned for cheating gamerscore, you are out of the competition and so is your team. If your X360A account gets banned, same deal.

If your console gets banned, no impact to us (although you may need to buy a console, but that is up to you). If your gamertag gets banned for a non-cheating gamerscore reason (such as these fraud bans) then you are out of the competition from that point, but your team can go on without you, and any gains you made during GSL will still count (once GSL has started, that is).
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I'll have to check with the rest of my team (Hand of Thrawn), but I never downloaded any of the free games. Hopefully everything gets sorted out for those that did get in some kind of trouble.
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I downloaded 2 of the games but I deleted them a few days before shit went down. I don't know if I dodged a bullet there or not, but my account and xboxes appear to safe for now.
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Nothing has happened yet, but this just plain sucks. I played Ikaruga for 30 minutes, but I bought the game for my main tag yesterday. That's all I ever did, except changed my gamerpic and theme for a while. All of my country friends have been safe too for now. Will have to see, do they make a new ban wave soon, can anybody dodge this. "Supporting a service with thousands of euros, then getting banned for pressing a button ftw"
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personally haven't grabbed any of the games that were free in other regions before

from what I remember I should be clear, however i'm not 100% sure because I got my nephew to grab me yaris from some site or other after it had been de-listed as you could install it from a memory stick [turns out it's one of the worst games ever created, but it's nice to be able to test things for yourself]

there were a few other things he had on the stick that we played, but I have purchased since - and he was banned in the last big ban wave that saw several people banned without reason [I only know this because later on an email was received by them mentioning contacting them to remove the ban, but there was a time limit that had expired by the time they saw it] along with the thousands that had used hacked profiles for obtaining games


sucks at how many people could miss out on the competition because of this "infringement" - people wouldn't resort to said shady tactics if the whole service was treated as one entity, not 10, each with its own content, offers and pricing...what next, banning people for playing import games...

and console banning for this is even more abhorrent, you get a few games for free instead of $5 because of a flaw in their system, that isn't exactly hard for them to block [IP scanning MS], they say, fine, give us another $100 for a new console or GTFO

this, and the closure of GFWL tied in with games being ripped from WP store like nobody's business is why I refuse to support MS anymore, and after GSL, i'm out [oh and that damn security crapola - I have now got 3 registered email addresses for this one account, because it keeps saying about additional layers of security, appearing to want a sodding phone number, GTFO MS, your not having that so you can sell it to some asshole - or worse, get your servers hacked than have all my contact details stolen, rather than 1 email and password - i'm still using the xbox I started the account on, and your servers tell you this, leave me alone you feckin ejuts]

also, when I buy a game, I expect to be able to play it, whenever, download it whenever - not come to my device and go, er, where my games at, or, why they no work [soon to have lost 30 on WP7 games, plus about 100 on GFWL games...] no more buying anything with MS involved for me

sorry for the wall of text, but I had a bad gig last night, and with all the crap MS has pulled recently, yet been defended so vehemently by half of the community, I just can't hold it in - I've kept it as inoffensive as possible as I don't want any impact on my team

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