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Old 01-01-2009, 06:44 AM   #151
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Last song description

What is the description of the last song. I don't have it yet and cant find the description. I am somewhat curious about it.
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:03 AM   #152
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Return of Sigmund

Am I correct in assuming that Shadow Sigmund is not available in towns and only in the field?
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:02 AM   #153
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The last song I found (which unlocked the achievement) was Symphony Notations. It's in a chest in Castle Prevant. The Seraphic Gate version of Castle Prevant, that is hehe.

And yes - Sigmund is only available for crafting in the field sadly.
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Old 01-01-2009, 12:06 PM   #154
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Description of Precari

I know where the Notations are I was just curious about the effects and in menu description of the song Precari. I just want to know what is said about the song and its effects.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:52 PM   #155
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Aah, my bad. Sorry. I'll check it out when I get home. =)
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Old 01-02-2009, 10:21 PM   #156
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I was reading around and had heard that Vic can steel the rare paper items from the Lumpers. Does anyone know if this is true and if so does it have to be an unnoticed attack. If it's not true does anyone know of a good way to get player advantage to get these rare paper items.
I've never tried stealing them with Vic so I can't help with that.

I would suggest you use either Eugene or Michelle, connect to them and then use their Astro ability to surprise the enemy. If you fail to surprise them just leave and re-enter through the teleporter. I found it best to hug the left wall until I was in range.

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Also I have noticed that the big birds in the regular Oradian Dunes drop Gold Berries and it seems to me that it is much more frequent than in SG as I don't recall ever getting the drop in SG. Anyone farming those Berrise might want to check it out. The Ones right otside of Zala seem to drop most often but sometimes itends up being on the other side of the dessert and I dont think I usually have to go for player advantage I just crush them but player advantage couldn't hurt.
I personally farmed all 50 or so Gold Berries that I needed from those three Birds outside Port Zala, again using either Eugene's or Michelle's Astro ability.

This was discussed in this thread as well if you'd like to read more about it:

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=107675&highlight=gold
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Can I ask what item/items are needed for the 50 gold berries? I farmed them just because i read to farm 50, but what do i make with them?
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:04 AM   #158
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Can I ask what item/items are needed for the 50 gold berries? I farmed them just because i read to farm 50, but what do i make with them?
You need to make Gold Berry Potions and Gold Berry Powders to make an alchemy item. I think one of the cooking recipes requires gold berries as well.
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:48 AM   #159
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Can I ask what item/items are needed for the 50 gold berries? I farmed them just because i read to farm 50, but what do i make with them?
You need them to make a Kismetic Table. Takes 10 Gold Berry Potions (which take a total of 20 gold berries), 5 Gold Berry Powders (which take 10 gold berries and 10 Gold Berry Potions [which take 20 more gold berries]), and 1 Atlantis Metal. I hate gold berries.
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Old 01-03-2009, 08:30 AM   #160
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I know where the Notations are I was just curious about the effects and in menu description of the song Precari. I just want to know what is said about the song and its effects.
It says:

"A song of prayer which increases all the abilities of the party"
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Old 01-03-2009, 12:54 PM   #161
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Does anyone know if silver and white berries are considered better or worse drops?
I'd say they're worse drops. Silver doesn't feel quite as rare as gold does (silver drops plenty from the order guys in the SG version of Vesplume Tower) and you don't need the same quantities either.

I gave the sneaky scorpion thing a go and it's working pretty well. Her skill is about 60% toward level 2 and so far I've managed to nick 2 white berries, 1 silver and 1 gold. In that order. With no weapon in her hand she can grind that poor mimic for quite a while hehe.

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Old 01-03-2009, 07:11 PM   #162
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How often are you guys getting Gold Berries that way? It seems like they're stolen a lot more often from Mimics than dropped by Tequilia's or those birds. I hate having to connect to Vic though... "My buddy needs my help!" Grrr. If you can keep spamming steal without killing it, it sounds a whole lot easier than killing an enemy then running somewhere to make them respawn.
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I went from zero to level 3 on Vic's sneaky skill and got a grand total of 2 gold berries. That was from the mimic in the normal Bihar Mines with Vic at level 150-ish and without any weapon equipped. So - not exactly stellar drop rate hehe. I thought I'd test the one in SG as well and see if that one is more generous.
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Old 01-03-2009, 10:06 PM   #164
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Weapon Equip

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I went from zero to level 3 on Vic's sneaky skill and got a grand total of 2 gold berries. That was from the mimic in the normal Bihar Mines with Vic at level 150-ish and without any weapon equipped. So - not exactly stellar drop rate hehe. I thought I'd test the one in SG as well and see if that one is more generous.
I had her best weapon Equipped. Sneaky scorpion does not do alot of damage so not having a weapon equiped really doesn't make alot of sense. I got 8 right in a row (maybe 30 minutes) and then when I hit level 3 The rate changed. Perhaps it was alot of luck but it is something worth giving a shot. It seems to me that the longer you farm the crappier your odds get so I'm gonna give it another go today and see what happens.
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Old 01-04-2009, 05:08 AM   #165
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Weapon Shatter suggestion

I don't know the drop rates for all the other weapons shatter enchants are like because most of them are in dragon bone shrine and that was where I last got slaughtered. But I might suggest that if you farm the gold berries in the dessert for the last alchemy item you will probably get alot of dragon fangs along the way which can be used for the 0mp consumption(weapon shatter) enchant and you can just buy the 12 dragon hides needed in order to get your broken weapons. I got 20 Dragon Scales in the process farming the 50 Gold Berries. Unless the other weapon break materials drop easily it might be easiest to farm the Gold Beries and kill two birds with one stone with the dragon scales you get along the way.
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Old 01-04-2009, 08:13 AM   #166
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Stealing Dragon Fangs is supper awesome

I have found that unlike gold berries, Dragon fangs can be easily stolen. Because Vic can actualy land a blow on the snakes. I got 4 about 8 minutes. I got 3 stolen and one dropped right after Vic had already stolen one from the same snake. sweet deal huh? You can bring your full party but remember to put you sword away so only Vic attacks through the connect commands. I was dreading farming these because the first time i passed through I got only 4 in an hour. This is gonna be way easier than I though.

Oh and Vic is 125, equipped with Jambiya(moon blade kills to fast to steal sometimes), and level 3 sneaky scorpion encase you wondered. if you wanna level it real easy go to bihar mines and spam the attack and don't help unless vic gets in trouble. It should level pretty fast because of the swarms of enemies. Let Vic kill all the enemies because the attack levels by number of attempts and not number of items stolen. If Vic is killing things in just a couple hits down grade his/her weapon. I also think it's probably best to NOTuse player advantage or you will most likely steal a Viper Fang and not a dragon fang. Unless that's what your after. Yeah right!

You may get other items but it's a guaranteed item rather than a low chance at any item and even lower chance at a dragon fang. And sometimes you even get 2 for 1. One stolen one dropped.

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Old 01-04-2009, 09:23 AM   #167
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Dragon Fang Update

Between my last edit of the previous post (which was roughly 30) minutes and this post I went from 11 to 26 dragon fangs that I needed. Keep in mind also that I was also taking my time clearing out the harpies so I could do some leveling of Eternal refrain at the same time I was farming. That is insanely fast compared to the previouse attempt at farming them.

Here are a few more important tips on doing this. Don't use Moon Blade because it kills to fast. I used the Ceramic dagger because all the ones lower than Moon blade have a status attack that speeds things up and Jambiya is also to strong. Do not unsleash the rest of the party if you don't steal a dragon fang. I noticed when I started doing this the Vipers dropped absolutely nothing but when I let Vic finish them off alone the dropped something 3 out of 4 times. I had read in another forum that a smaller party gets a better drop rate and I think what I observed confirms this. Only use the rest of your party if some inconsiderate moster wanders in and starts messing you up. When you just let Vic fight I think it registers a party of one and gives you a realy good drop rate. I would like anyone else still trying to get dragon fangs to test this and tell me if that is the same experience.

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There is an item called the marksman. I was wondering what it is? Who can create it or where can i find it.
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There is an item called the marksman. I was wondering what it is? Who can create it or where can i find it.
The only item I can find with the word "marksman" in it is a book called "Memo's of a Master Marksman". You craft that one with a scribe and I'm thinking it will grant Aya a new skill.
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Old 01-05-2009, 01:17 AM   #170
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EXP enchants don't work

Okay so I wanted to use Vic but she was behind quite a bit so I wanted to level her faster. I used EXPx2 and it didn't seem to do much. I started doing some math and it was actually giving a bonus to the entire party and just from a few quick quests It looked like the bonus was being divided between the entire party so they were all getting roughly a 25% bonus.

Okay so that is somewhat lame so I decided to run even further organized tests on EXP+ 30%. I did tests stacking 4 of the enchant, NO enchant, and a single enchant. I ran the test using the three spiders at the beginning of Graad Woods in SG. I did the stacked enchant test to see if they negated one another or something Here are my results.

EXP + 30 %x4 (120%)

Start
EXP

7343851
Enchantment EXP
A. 7344152
B. 7344458
C. 7344755
D. 7345054
E. 7345346
Enchant Difference
A. 301
B. 306
C. 297
D. 299
E. 292
Average difference
299

No enchant start
7345346
No Enchant EXP
A. 7345640
B. 7345937
C. 7346238
D. 7346542
E. 7346834
Difference
A. 294
B. 297
C. 301
D. 304
E. 292
Average difference
297.6

EXP +30%x1

Start EXP
7346834
EXP Total
A. 7347140
B. 7347437
C. 7347742
D. 7348039
E. 7348333
Difference
A. 306
B. 297
C. 305
D. 297
E. 294
Aveage difference
299.8


NOTHING! it did nothing. Does anyone know why this is. Even looked at bonuses on the equipment to see if maybe anti magic was on any of them that might interfere possibly but that was not the case. Does anyone know what is up with this
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Old 01-05-2009, 02:18 AM   #171
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Well that sucks. No clue why, though. But at least it's good to know not to waste components on that enchant hehe.
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Interesting results, I never tested the experience enchants myself, I just assumed they worked .

Maybe try the test again against a different set of enemies see if the results change at all.
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Wow, that's some through testing. Props to you, I don't have the patience to do stuff like that

I agree with Demon9Tom though, perhaps you should try it on a different enemy. The larva don't seem to give much experience so the game might be rounding down the bonus or something.
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Interesting results, I never tested the experience enchants myself, I just assumed they worked .

Maybe try the test again against a different set of enemies see if the results change at all.

Yeah the reason I tested it was because it didn't seem that Vic was leveling any faster than anyone else. I was leveling the three Hill Gigas at the end of the same level I went back to save and decided to do a mathematical test of it. It didn't take more than 20 minutes. It also shouldn't matter how little experience there is. You always average around 300 no matter what. If you get 300 without you should get about 390 with it but that doesn't happen. I wonder though if it might be a weird glitch that is temporary or if it is a broken enchant I am not really sure. I am thinking about testing the wisdom coins and stacking of enchants I might also test the lower exp enchants. All I know is that I am really annoyed by this. I almost wonder what Monks Soul does. maybe i'll test that too.
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Go for it, I look forward to hearing the results .
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Crafting and Music

For those of you who have played other tri-Ace games, specifically Star Ocean 2, this will make a little more sense. In Star Ocean 2 you had a thing called Orchestra that enhanced your crafting abilities making them way easier. I am wondering if the Symphony song or any others can do the same thing. I have tried playing Palcare while crafting and had mixed results and couldn't tell if it was making things go smoother or not.

I have also been to lazy until just recently to test Fortuna and crafting because you have to leave town. Now that I have Precari which seems to be similar in description to Orchestra from Star Ocean 2 I did a test. I tried crafting Heaven and Earth 5 times and failed. I then took rucha out of town and played Precari and she got It quite fast. It's only one test but I think it may warant some exploration. If anyone has any high level items left to craft and has Precari try it out and let me know if you have any good results. A good place to test this might be the dunes because it has an outdoor save point. The one anoying thing about this is that secondary party members couldn't take advantage of it if it does work. I'll try some more items and let everyone know what happens and everyone feel free to try it out and share what happens.

UPDATE:results are so mixed that I cant really tell if it does anything and crafting is already so random that testing it is to hard. If nothing else playing music while you craft is less annoying than hearing CLICK! CLINK! CLINK! for hours. it's probably not worth the hassle of going out of town but if anyone hears or observes otherwise let me know.

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Old 01-07-2009, 03:55 AM   #177
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Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got it! I got it! Thanks to everyone. Especial Demon9Tom! You freakin rock as does the guy who made the spreadsheet. I will vouch that this guide is 100% complete and 200% awesome. Thanks again!

Oh my time was 99:12:39 encase anyone was curious. That doesn't include a few lost hours due to utter defeat and reloading time with the crafting. Plus this is my second play through. Good luck all!
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I got it! I got it! Thanks to everyone. Especial Demon9Tom! You freakin rock as does the guy who made the spreadsheet. I will vouch that this guide is 100% complete and 200% awesome. Thanks again!
Thanks, congratulations on unlocking the achievement, one to be proud of , and jukkakhan created the checklist so thanks to him too .
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Grats Oberon. Well done. =)

I'm still harping away with the goldberries and other such fun things hehe. I'll get there though. I'm a patient bugger.
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Btw, does anyone know if you can get dragon scales from any other mob than the Quetzelcotl thingy? If not - do I need to score player advantage for it to drop? They're such a PITA to sneak up on.... =/
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