The Last Straw
|You talked Doctor Isaias Sandoval out of suicide.|
|Rate this achievement||Average Rating (Based on 4 votes)|
|Comment #1 by J4ckyb0y1|
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 @ 04:15:18 PM
Choose Tough Love three times.
|Comment #2 by xxxicewallxxx|
Thursday, August 25, 2011 @ 03:26:39 PM
Tough Love didn't work, empathize worked for me
|Comment #3 by Kiryuu Miyazawa|
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 11:35:27 AM
when got to this part it shows a cutscene and then he shoots me...how do you get him not to shoot at you and get the conversation instead?
|Comment #4 by chitown420|
Friday, August 26, 2011 @ 12:32:26 PM
#3 Me too he says he can see me then starts to shoot whats the deal?
|Comment #5 by Kiryuu Miyazawa|
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 08:41:45 AM
you have to talk to Tagger before you see him and get him to tell the public the truth then he doesnt shoot you
|Comment #6 by Hippy Treee|
Saturday, August 27, 2011 @ 02:27:17 PM
if you have the personality implant hit him with some of that good omega after empathizing with him once
|Comment #7 by Hekel 1|
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 01:00:39 AM
just when i thought i was getting somewhere he then just shot him in the head.
NOTE: if he does shoot himself grab his handgun and ammo.
|Comment #8 by phlip65|
Sunday, August 28, 2011 @ 04:53:04 PM
Any of those who are going for the "don't set any alarms off" achievement and didn't confront taggart before seeing sandoval, you can go invisible right after the cut scene and he won't turn hostile.
|Comment #9 by SGx Savage|
Monday, August 29, 2011 @ 04:05:43 AM
I do not know what i am doing wrong. I talked to Taggart and he said he would help and gave me the location to the apartment. Then i knock out his brother and went into his secret area and when i open the door Sandoval gets into a fight with Jensen and trys to kill me. AHHHHHHHH!!! Its killing me
|Comment #10 by chitown420|
Monday, August 29, 2011 @ 03:54:11 PM
you have to talk to taggart first and he will talk.
|Comment #11 by LazarusXXX|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 09:43:32 AM
I talked to Taggert and convinced him to go public (The Throwdown achievement unlocked) Then I talked to Taggert in his office and he gave me the Sandoval's address. I then did all the side missions and then went to Sandoval's apartment. ***POSSIBLE SPOILER*** I enter the apartment and go to pick up the Praxis Kit, and my screen goes all blurry - and Zeke goes hostile. So I reload, sneak past Zeke *and* all the guards in the sewers and after the cut scene where Sandoval pushes me away and grabs the gun, he starts shooting (unless I go invisible first.)
For those of you who got this achievement, what, if anything did you do different?
|Comment #12 by Intelligencer|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 03:08:28 PM
I'm having the same trouble, I've got the achievement for Taggart's speech, but no matter what I do I always end up having to fight Sandoval, I don't get the chance to talk him out of suicide.
|Comment #13 by Shug Nastytron|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 03:23:18 PM
Are you 2 just sneaking past zeke? If you open the door he's behind then cloak, wait for him to turn around then knock him out(not kill him). You should be able to pick up the praxis kit w/ no emp explosion. Knocking out zeke might be necessary for sandoval being non-hostile.. Just a thought?
|Comment #14 by Intelligencer|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 04:27:04 PM
I've knocked Zeke out everytime, but that is a great thought. I've tried everything else with the conversations with Taggart. I had to stop playing because I'm getting so discouraged with it.
|Comment #15 by LazarusXXX|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 04:49:36 PM
I've knocked him out, then snuck past him, I've left him alone and snuck past him, I've knocked him out and then gotten the Praxis Kit on the floor. and I've also gone around knocking out all other related opposition - then trying to sneak past all opposition to get to Sandoval - but he always shoots at me!
|Comment #16 by LazarusXXX|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 05:33:41 PM
I just checked IGN's walkthrough site for this achievement. They say that the achievement "The Kevorkian Complex" is mutually exclusive to this achievement (The Last Straw)
So I guess what this means is, if you let *spoiler* die by giving him morphine, then you get the chance to get this achievement. But if you let him live, then your confrontation with Sandoval will end up the way it's been going for many of us. Plus you still have to talk to Taggert about Sandoval's whereabouts.
This is unconfirmed though.
|Comment #17 by Intelligencer|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 06:51:08 PM
Sounds like a good thing to try, I just didn't want to miss out on the Pascifism achievement. Oh well looks like I'll play the game again, which I was planning on doing anyway. Nice find Lazarus, this was really frustrating me. I wouldn't mind running back through this game, it's a great game.
|Comment #18 by HUUS|
Tuesday, August 30, 2011 @ 06:55:49 PM
Killing the guy with morphine or not doesn't matter, I've had the problem with this quest on two run throughs. First one I killed the guy like he wanted me to, later sandoval still just starts shooting, no conversation. Opposite on this run, sandoval still shoots first. I get the cut-scene, but no convo. Yes I won the talk with taggart, and KO'd Zeke. Also didn't kill anyone on either run through in the sewers or the convention center. I think it's just glitched.
|Comment #19 by Meldy 80|
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 11:55:31 AM
Got a thread on the forums trying to get to the bottom of this - http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=326723 - not having much luck though. Beginning to suspect it might be timed...
|Comment #20 by LazarusXXX|
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 01:33:19 PM
Ok guys! I definitely figured it out! I had an old save from the beginning of Detroit part 2, so I loaded it up and got the VIP pass from Sarif. Then I went directly over to the convention centre and right into the conference hall with Taggert (saving before I triggered the cut scene.) Next I convinced Taggert using the best possible combination of responses (according to my play style.) Because I had the personality aug., I could see that Taggerts response was at the max level of "green." Then I went directly to Sandovals' hideout (skipping all side quests) and tazered Zeke - then got the "trapped" praxis kit. Next I opened the secret door using the switch in the bathroom. I then snuck past every body (not difficult) and saved again before opening the door to Sandoval's hideout room.
|Comment #21 by merker101|
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 02:16:42 PM
i got the acheievment without talking to taggert knonk out zeke then sneak by the gaurds or knock them out and when u speak with taggert this is what i used inspire,empathy,tough love,empathy is should work i got it this way
|Comment #22 by merker101|
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 02:17:49 PM
i messed up on the last comment.....when u talk to sandoval i meant not tagget
|Comment #23 by Intelligencer|
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 02:56:09 PM
I'm still very confused on how to get this. Everyone is saying different things. So the side mission with the morphine guy isn't needed then? I've talked to Taggart with the best solution, I've knocked Zeke out everytime. Do you really need to Taze Zeke, that would be really dumb if that is all.
|Comment #24 by HUUS|
Wednesday, August 31, 2011 @ 05:06:49 PM
I dont think anyone really knows. I talked to taggart once, and skipped it the second time. I ko'd zeke once, tazed him the second time. There seems to be no reason as to why the conversation isn't happening. I just get a cut scene then he starts shooting at me.
|Comment #25 by Nerdvana Zen|
Thursday, September 01, 2011 @ 12:38:26 AM
|Comment #26 by breekachuu|
Thursday, September 01, 2011 @ 07:38:23 PM
Okayy, so I've been looking around and it finally clicked :'3
I realized on youtube videos for this achievement, when you walk into his office/secret
lair thingy, he's stood up watching TV... and Taggart is publicly outing him.
Well i'm guessing the only way to get this achievement is by making Taggart confess
publicly, rather than going into a back room to speak to him.
makes sense really, because if he doesn't confess publicly, then why would he be all
bitchy about how his career is ruined and so on :L
anyways, hope this helped guys n__n
|Comment #27 by Intelligencer|
Friday, September 02, 2011 @ 06:29:48 PM
I've seen the video you speak of, at least maybe one like it, but it doesn't show exactly how to get Taggart to speak publicly. I've chosen many different conversation lines, to see his reactions and none work. I'll be going back through the game again for this achievement no doubt.
|Comment #28 by mikepaul|
Friday, September 02, 2011 @ 06:47:40 PM
I agree. I ghosted into Sandoval's lair and the cutscene had him complaining about gunfire. I had seen videos of this confrontation, and Taggert wasn't on TV in this one. Since I did get the Achievement from Taggert, there's something else that makes this one doable. Maybe somebody will eventually post a complete two-Achievement scenario...
|Comment #29 by mikepaul|
Friday, September 02, 2011 @ 07:31:25 PM
BTW, the YouTube videos by Xtr33mm end up with Sandoval handing over the gun, but since the two different videos showing Taggert's and Sandoval's possible Achievements have nothing popping up for either, I can't say if Taggert's actually resulted in an Achievement. I don't recall being called a SOB by Taggert so perhaps being invited backstage is the end of all versions???...
|Comment #30 by IVIysery|
Friday, September 02, 2011 @ 11:45:21 PM
So much nonsense on here how do you get this? I'll tell you. With the augmented speech and 3 choices of tough love should do it. Note: I even failed to convince taggert to tell the truth, and the moraphine dude i have not come across.
|Comment #31 by IVIysery|
Friday, September 02, 2011 @ 11:48:23 PM
correction I never talked to taggert the second time i just went straight to comp
|Comment #32 by Kyarourin|
Sunday, September 04, 2011 @ 11:59:19 AM
I talked to Taggert and then used triple Inspire to earn this achievement. The first Inspire made him worse but the second two worked fine. I trued using empathy and then pheramones -> charm, but that made him kill himself. I think empathy -> inspire -> inspire might work too.
|Comment #33 by Next2Flawl3ss|
Sunday, September 04, 2011 @ 03:46:23 PM
Just did it for the second time in a row. IF you get Taggert to out him then its Tough Love, Empathize, Though Love. He can't be hostile when you go in. I killed his brother, I killed all his guards. It has worked multiple times.
|Comment #34 by Prelude2disastr|
Monday, September 05, 2011 @ 10:52:53 AM
#33 is absolutely right. Tough Love x3 (or TL - E - TL) will work ONLY IF you convinced Taggert to tell the truth publicly!
|Comment #35 by Lewis180|
Monday, September 05, 2011 @ 05:13:33 PM
I used empathize and it worked fine he didn't shoot me :)
|Comment #36 by merker101|
Monday, September 05, 2011 @ 05:22:07 PM
my last comment wont work if u talked to taggert at his speech
|Comment #37 by gottarunrs|
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 10:49:44 PM
i just got it. i talked to taggert and got him backstage. then i did the jacob white side quest. then i went to the apartment. snuck past and knocked out zeke. then i got the praxis kit. then i went through the secret passage. managed to make my way to the friggen mine field, which i set off accidentally. then i saved right before going in while the alarmed status was still up. and it was a cut scene with taggert begging saunders to not let anger drive him. then he got all 'i'm gonna kill myself, cuz i can't handle anything (pussy talk)' then i used empathize once and social auged an omega choice and he gave up the gun. done and done. you guys had me worried i screwed up. hope this helps!
|Comment #38 by gottarunrs|
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 @ 10:51:53 PM
sandoval not saunders. wow.....
|Comment #39 by paulmd77|
Thursday, September 08, 2011 @ 12:30:50 AM
WOW many UNHELPFUL comments made me think this was gonna be hard, but #37 was right on...Empathize then social aug the omega choice. NONE OF THAT OTHER CRAP MATTERS
|Comment #40 by privy ninja|
Friday, September 09, 2011 @ 01:44:53 PM
#37 CONFIRMED: Ignore everyone else. You don't have to have talked to Taggart either. just Empathize and attack Omega personality type.
|Comment #41 by thewintman|
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 11:17:36 AM
And still I cannot get this achievement!!!!
I have every other achievement in this game, but this one?! Nothing!
I have tried over thirty times, easily get Taggard to 'out him' in public and tried so many different ways to get into his hideout, but everytime he pulls a gun on me, not once have I had to try and talk him out of suicide.
I have a save outside of the convention centre and each time I go back to it and grill Taggard I generally choose C, C, R & C which usually finishes him at the top of the pursuassion chart and him saying "For Marjorie's sake I'll tell you where he is".
Head off to the hideout, I have tried non-lethal takedowns, kills and just sneaking and nothing will allow me to talk Sandoval out of suicide, it's really beginning to p**s me off now.
Anyone else st
|Comment #42 by thewintman|
Sunday, September 11, 2011 @ 11:19:11 AM
Anyone else still having problems with this one?
|Comment #43 by Garlyle|
Thursday, September 15, 2011 @ 03:02:22 PM
The issue that I think a lot of people are having here is no how do I talk Sandoval down, but is how do I get him to talk to me in the first place.
I talked to taggart, got the achievement for making him tell the truth, convinced him to give me sandoval's location, didn't kill Zeke, snuck through the sewers, and despite all of this when I open the door after the cut scene sandoval attacks me. There is no option for dialogue. My question, and I think most everyone elses, is why am I not able to initiate dialogue with Sandoval?
|Comment #44 by Garlyle|
Thursday, September 15, 2011 @ 03:26:47 PM
There is a good chance that this achievement is just glitched. Has there been any word from Eidos?
|Comment #45 by Garlyle|
Thursday, September 15, 2011 @ 03:32:59 PM
Found something that might help. http://www.trueachievements.com/a153407/the-last-straw-achievement.htm I have to get this on my 3rd playthrough. :(
|Comment #46 by mikepaul|
Thursday, September 15, 2011 @ 07:43:51 PM
"So if Taggart gave you the location in the back room without saying he'd help you find Sandoval while in front of the crowd, this achievement is unaccessible. Make him tell you he'll help you in front of everybody."
SO what specific thing does he say when you GOT it? He DID say he'd give me the location just before inviting me backstage, and STILL I had to stun Sandoval or get shot. Save #16 is still waiting for the correct Taggert sequence to happen, meanwhile I have to keep going...
|Comment #47 by Hekel 1|
Friday, September 16, 2011 @ 02:26:11 AM
ATTENTION ALL!!! i got to talk to taggrat and won,i did not give the guy the morphine,i knocked out zeke and then shot him in the head and when i got to tal to sandoval i had a 5 minute talk with him and when i talked to him he seemed to give up but then shot himeself in the head so overall i did not get the achievement.
i posted this just so people could find out one way how to talk to him without him shooting you.
|Comment #48 by Garlyle|
Saturday, September 17, 2011 @ 01:59:31 PM
@Hekel 1- I did Everything you did but Sandoval still drew down on me. I think the key here may be HOW you win against Taggart. I am replaying the game now, going for legend and foxiest of the hounds, so I will try all the different options for this at the same time. Hopefully I will have an answer later tonight, or tomorrow.
|Comment #49 by thewintman|
Saturday, September 17, 2011 @ 05:33:58 PM
I hate this achievement!
Just once I would like to talk to Sandoval. I almost wouldn't mind, but the time it takes to find out if whether the correct outcome with your confrontation with Taggart leads to speaking to Sandoval... I have made that journey far too many times now.
Each time, I get Taggart to publicly out Sandoval, and more often than not the persuasion meter is maxed out. I then have tried killing all Zeke's men, knocking them out and sneaking past them and still he pulls his gun on me!
I have two saves at the convention centre before confronting Taggart, one having given a fatal dose of morphine and one letting him live, both yield the same results.
Got all the other achievements in one play through, grrrr!
|Comment #50 by Garlyle|
Saturday, September 17, 2011 @ 07:55:10 PM
I just got it! I reloaded a save file to just after I beat the boss in montreal. Once I got back to detroit, and went to my apartment, I hauled ass over to the convention center. I walked into the conference room, without hurting anyone or setting off any alarms and won the debate with taggart. Remember to make him admit the truth outloud; that means no using the social aug.
Right after that I ran to his apartment, snuck past the two guards, knocked Zeke out, snuck past everyone and when I got to Sandoval's door, I opened it instead of kicking it in. I got the conversation, used two tough loves and the last one inspire, and got the achievement. I hope this helps.
|Comment #51 by jack68632|
Sunday, September 18, 2011 @ 07:26:33 AM
When I got this, I didnt use the social, that gets Taggart to go backstage to early, I used Discredit, Redirect, Redirect, Confront
This got Taggart to mentioned his wife is why he set up Humanity Front, and you reply saying Sandoval is dishonoring his wifes name, he agrees to help find Sandoval and askes me back stage.
You need to hear him say "I'll help you find Isaias", This I believe is the trigger.
I did this 3 times from my save outside the door, and each time the conversation was different, but the options got me the same result in the end. The persuasion meter was different each time as well.
I knocked out everyone on route to Sandoval, including Zeke, and used 3 Tough Love, and he tossed the gun at me.
|Comment #52 by heart attak joe|
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 03:06:42 PM
met him in an underground place after knocking out zeke. DO NOT PICK UP THE PRAXIS IN THE APARTMENT take cover behind the door, open it, he comes to the doorway but does not see you, wait then take him out. in the basement i used TL then E then TL as said above, works a treat
|Comment #53 by Garlyle|
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 03:34:58 PM
The real key to making sure the glitch doesn't lock you out of getting this achievement is making sure that as soon as you get back to detroit, that you pursue the main story line. Don't explore the DRB territory for all those goodies, don't do any sidequests. Just focus on the main quest, and you shouldn't be locked out of getting this achievement.
|Comment #54 by Rave Monkey6969|
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 06:03:46 PM
For anyone who is still confused about this achievement read comments #50 and #53 by Garlyle. As long as u "haul ass" from Jensen's apartment to the convention center and get Taggart to help u and then u go straight to the hideout, u should get this frustrating achievement. I don't think how u handle the hideout matters, but other then knocking out Zeke, I would recommend sneaking past everyone. Thx Garlyle.
|Comment #55 by thewintman|
Monday, September 19, 2011 @ 08:10:46 PM
I'll give Garlyle's "haul ass" method a go, gotta be worth a shot.
Typically, the save I have before the con centre is in FEMA... Soooo far back, ho hum!
|Comment #56 by jack68632|
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 01:25:22 PM
When i got mine, i had done the side quests and looked around as i always do before handling main story
i got the PRAXIS kit in the apartment, just drag the cops body away and you can pick up the EMP mines to disarm the trap.
The key is that Taggart has to say he will help you find him infront of the crowd, other wise Sandoval, who is watching it live, wont feel he has no escape and needs to kill himself.
|Comment #57 by Rave Monkey6969|
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 @ 10:20:15 PM
Until I reloaded my save from Jensen's apartment and ignored everything except this achievement, it kept making me fight Sandoval. I had already got Taggart to agree to help me on stage, but no matter what I tried in the hideout, Sandoval was always hostile.... When I left Jensen's apartment to focus on just this achievement, I told the guy in the lobby to screw off and knocked him out. Then I went straight to the convention center, got Taggart to help me again, declined the side quest in the lobby of the center and went straight to the hideout. I snuck past everyone except Zeke and Sandoval's door opened and it let me talk to him.
|Comment #58 by paulmd77|
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 @ 02:57:09 AM
|Comment #59 by captpluto9465|
Monday, October 10, 2011 @ 12:37:23 PM
I did not confront Taggart at the conference, hacked his computer backstage, and chose the option to upload incriminating evidence onto his computer. At the apartment, I knocked out Zeke stealthily and looted the place. Then I was able to talk Sandoval down in his office because the evidence had gotten out to the public.
|Comment #60 by Abenader|
Sunday, October 16, 2011 @ 04:58:47 PM
I imagine it all revolves around whether you allowed Zeke to live or not. That's my best guess because I've tried talking to Taggart in every different way possible, and also tried framing him as well. No dice. Sandoval shoots at me every time. And I killed Zeke BTW.
|Comment #61 by GP MASTER SAM F|
Friday, December 23, 2011 @ 02:35:25 PM
Thanks #56 that worked for me finally. Every other time I entered his hideout, Sandoval draws his weapon and tries to go to town on me.
|Comment #62 by FrostByte|
Tuesday, January 31, 2012 @ 03:47:30 PM
Here is how I got mine:
First Get Taggart to out Sandoval in public.
After that, I left and talked to Ricky, but I didn't complete the mission.
When I got to the apartment, I sneaked into the room and ko'd zeke while invisible.
After that, I grabbed the praxis kit and the two mines after removing the body.
Went through hidden passage only knocking out one person, the person before the laser doors, 8218.
I accidentally set off a mine because my battery ran out.
Then I walked into the door and got the achievement cutscene if you do TL E TL.
The first time through...I killed everyone and missed it...be stealthy I guess
|Comment #63 by TommyD758|
Saturday, February 25, 2012 @ 12:37:36 AM
Thanks, worked just fine.
|Comment #64 by HVAC Techie|
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 @ 07:04:51 AM
Empathize and then CASIE: Omega. Achievement popped. #thatwasdifficult
|Comment #65 by Balc0ra|
Monday, March 05, 2012 @ 09:40:38 AM
I got Taggart to talk to me backstage. Did not hack his computer.
Did the side quest with the bomb, then headed to the apartment. Did kill the two first guards. Killed Zeke. Then headed down and did takedowns and stun gun on the guards downstairs. Shot all the bomb.
Then confronted him and used Empathize on the two first then inspire on the last one. He gave me the gun and I got the chevo.
|Comment #66 by ttdrevan|
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 04:38:46 PM
Bugged for me, I followed every guide here, everytime doctor goes hostile on me and draws weapon. I was quiet and did exactly what was in achievement desciption about Taggart.
|Comment #67 by Nathan Bach|
Monday, September 03, 2012 @ 06:00:40 PM
well I've tried something to get this.
|Comment #68 by Nathan Bach|
Monday, September 03, 2012 @ 06:19:03 PM
well I've tried something to get this.
first I've saved before going talk to Taggart, and decided to infiltrate his room in the backstage without talking to him and not being seen, after this I've keep on playing until the Isaias part, and in this case he began shoting me, after the CG where he talk about a shoting. (it's notable that his brother shot me in the special room at the begining, cuz I've grabed the praxis kit in the dead cop).
anyway, I've reloaded my previous save and talked to Taggart and win the discussion, or something like that. passing throug everything again in this case the Isaias CG was different where he talk about Taggart been a douche while he is watching his speech. in this case he doesn't shoot me but try to kill himself. (in this case I've put his brother to sl
|Comment #69 by TheRedKing|
Thursday, October 25, 2012 @ 07:50:17 AM
Empathize, Inspire, Empathize worked for me
|Comment #70 by Pigpeyn|
Tuesday, October 30, 2012 @ 01:34:08 PM
after getting the achievement for Taggart I did Tough Love, Emphasize, Tough Love and it worked
|Comment #71 by a1br0wn|
Friday, February 08, 2013 @ 12:26:37 PM
It would be nice if someone could update the Achievement Guide warning people that you absolutely can NOT use the CASIE augmentation when confronting Taggart if you want to get this achievement. I was playing through on hard, going for the Foxiest of the Hounds and Pacifist all in one go, so naturally I was abusing the hell out of the save system. Much to my dismay, when I reached Sandoval and had him turn hostile on me, I was really upset to find that the furthest back I could load was after I had confronted Taggart.
|Comment #72 by I Like Sheep|
Sunday, May 12, 2013 @ 01:17:06 AM
here's what i did on my first playthrough and im not sure how it worked... i wasnt following a guide or anything.
I did NOT talk to taggart, i snook in and hacked his computer. I then went and Sandoval did NOT attack me. I spoke to him and in this order: Inspire, Inspire, Tough Love, I got him to give up the gun. so far ive seen no one with the same experience... im not sure what happened because i heard later that you can only talk to Sandoval if you confront Taggart, but i didnt do that because as i said, i wasnt following a guide and was just going through for fun and not for achievements.. weird achievement
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