Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Achievements

One with the Shadows

Returned the Thieves Guild to its former glory  

In order to get this achievement you have to do enough side missions (and then a main mission for each of the 4 major cities) for the Thieves Guild, namely Delvin and Vex, so you can restore the Thieves Guild to its former glory. It’s basically a matter of doing a set of mundane jobs throughout the cities of Skyrim until the guild catches someone’s eye there, then doing the main mission in that city. There’s a lot of tooing and froing to be done here, so don’t say you haven’t been warned – remember as well, pick two missions up at a time (one from each Delvin and Vex) and then drop them off two at a time.

By my reckoning, you have to do around 40 smaller quests overall (well, that’s how many I did), as well as 4 bigger quests in the 4 major cities (not Riften) – these 4 missions will be given to you while you do the smaller quests at various intervals. It’s 350 gold a mission to start with, 400 later on and they are quick and relatively easy (except the Bedlam stuff), but yes, it’s boring as sin!

The types of mission are:


  • The Numbers Job – forge a specific ledger
  • The Fishing Job – pickpocket a specific item
  • The Bedlam Job – steal 500 gold of goods from one city


  • The Burglary Job – steal a specific something from someone’s house
  • The Shill Job – plant a specific stolen object in someone’s house
  • The Sweep Job – steal a series of specific valuable items from someone’s house
  • The Heist Job – steal from a shop

Then you’ll have to do the following quests in each city:

  • Imitation Amnesty – Whiterun
  • Silver Lining - Markarth
  • Windhelm – Summerset Shadows
  • The Dainty Sload – Solitude

Then finally:

  • Under New Management – Speak to Brynjolf to start this bad boy when you have done the other 4 main quests

Yeah, it’s a pain in the ass in truth and super boring – talk about cheaply artificially extending the length of the guild – but it has to be done… it helps towards the 100,000 gold achievement anyway, plus a few of the other more sinister achievements.

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User Comments
Comment #1 by Gilganomics
Monday, October 03, 2011 @ 10:16:52 PM

The Thieves Guild seems to be perpetually lacking in glory across every title.

5-finger Consulting coming up...

Comment #2 by ThoracicKez
Tuesday, October 04, 2011 @ 07:24:41 AM

brotherhood ?

Comment #3 by Baron Chronus
Wednesday, October 05, 2011 @ 03:53:16 PM

i hope you'll get a skeleton lock pick like in oblivion

Comment #4 by Bear TheTyrant
Friday, October 07, 2011 @ 12:40:30 PM

Does this mean you can choose *not* to return the Thieves' Guild to their former glory instead?

Comment #5 by Ajex
Saturday, October 08, 2011 @ 09:47:54 AM

this game is gonna be so good with all the side things you can do i prob will do more of this kind of stuff then the main story just because i will have alot of fun and just get lost in the AweSOMEnes of this game lol.

Comment #6 by mitcho2013
Sunday, October 09, 2011 @ 02:35:27 PM

I hope so too

Comment #7 by echX
Monday, October 17, 2011 @ 08:18:28 AM

@3 The skeleton key was awesome!

Comment #8 by Plutonicjoker69
Tuesday, October 18, 2011 @ 09:35:59 AM

Skeleton key = PIMP!

Comment #9 by ServbotNamedSxE
Sunday, October 23, 2011 @ 09:55:37 AM

I doubt it (about getting a Skeleton Key again), but here's hoping Nocturnal will have something equally helpful and awesome for us this time around!

Comment #10 by Stabby
Sunday, November 06, 2011 @ 05:22:54 PM

Return of the Fox, perhaps...

Comment #11 by Breejuh
Wednesday, November 09, 2011 @ 06:11:40 AM

Most fun guild to join in the game imo

Comment #12 by Grohlvana
Sunday, November 13, 2011 @ 03:11:02 PM

This Achievement is a bitch because unlike the other guild Achievements, this one requires you to do 44 "misc" missions (boring-ass pickpocket/burglary etc. jobs).

Comment #13 by Ferociity
Sunday, November 13, 2011 @ 07:13:59 PM

Your suppose to meet Brynjolf after you complete the 4 city quests but I can not find him. Any ideas?

Comment #14 by Ferociity
Sunday, November 13, 2011 @ 09:12:19 PM

When I talk to him it says Maven to be in Whiterun or whatever. any ideas

Comment #15 by REDR3V0LVER
Monday, November 14, 2011 @ 12:08:54 AM

the main story leads you to him

Comment #16 by PanTh3r
Monday, November 14, 2011 @ 12:40:56 AM

The main story leads you to him, or if you just follow the river to Riften and enter in the North gate, there will be a guy named Maul (I think), and after you select "pay for more information" option, he will take you to Brynjolf.

Comment #17 by Captain Redeye
Tuesday, November 15, 2011 @ 08:01:08 AM

Be aware that you will be unable to complete this quest if you sell the Thieves Guild Armour. You will need it to get upgrades that come in the quest. Unfortunately, I sold mine and without it you're unable to get the final upgrade and the achievement that comes along with it, unless there another set of Thieves Guild Armour in the game I am unaware of.

Hope this prevents some unnecessary frustration.

Comment #18 by TBlow
Thursday, November 17, 2011 @ 07:18:29 PM

I have done the guild quests also and i can't turn in my last item to devon and I cant seem to find Brynjolf, done all of the main and side quests also the 4 cities. Thanks for the help!

Comment #19 by Arawos
Friday, November 18, 2011 @ 05:49:44 PM

Do I have to complete the thives guild questline (the twillight sepulcher) to get this? And what's the talk about armor upgrades, is that important for this achievement?

Comment #20 by JimBob Da Great
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 06:03:26 PM

The Thieves Guild Armor is not needed to do this achievement at all. It is an optional upgrade you can receive. I completed this without a single piece of Thieves Guild Armor on me as it was all already sold. Also you do not have to complete 44 quests. You need to complete the main quest line and then do 5 side jobs in each major city the Thieves Guild wants influence in. If you get a job from Riften or a city you have already completed just tell the quest giver you want to quit that job. Winterhold, Whiterun, Makareath and Solitude are the 4 holds you need. The numbers jobs and burglery are the easiest.

Comment #21 by JimBob Da Great
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 06:06:01 PM

After you have completed 5 jobs in a hold then the Vex or the guy (name is slipping my mind) will tell you they have a special job for you. There is 1 special job for each city that you must complete.

Comment #22 by aranbailey
Saturday, November 19, 2011 @ 08:59:54 PM

cheers #21 for clearing that up

Comment #23 by Jack Frost
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 10:53:49 AM

I'd just like to point out the four holds are:

Solitude; and

I'm not sure why some people put Winterhold, but there are no jobs there...

And speaking of no jobs - has anyone had problems with Delvin and Vex NOT giving jobs in Markath?

I've done the special jobs in the other 3, butthey never seem t give me any jobs in Markath. I've looked through my finished quests and I don't have a single entry for Markath. Which means they've never given me a single job there.

Anyone else had this problem?

Comment #24 by Aussie Dingbat
Monday, November 21, 2011 @ 09:35:51 PM

I've got the guard glitch in Markath where they constantly try to arrest you and you can't pay off your bounty or serve a jail sentence. Thus it's impossible to complete any of the jobs in Markath without "being arrested and failing".

So, word of warning, do the Theives Guild Missions there before the Forsworn missions.

Comment #25 by Lord Guillaume
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 @ 06:51:24 AM

This achievement is glitched i have done everything but at the very end when u finally become the guild leader to finish that path u gotta collect ur guild leader armour from tonilia, but if u never traded in any of ur old thieves armour for a better suit or u don't have ur armour anymore to do that trade u can't talk to her about getting ur leader armour she just keeps saying u can trade in ur old armour for new better armour, so until there's a patch i can't finish this :( so make sure u keep ur thieves armour or like me u'll just have to wait for that patch.

Comment #26 by gabbydirtman
Thursday, November 24, 2011 @ 02:12:59 AM

#23 when you get a job see if it says that it is in Markath or not. If it isnt
talk to vex or Delvin (which ever one you got the job from)and cancel the quest
then ask for a new one.

Comment #27 by theNomad
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 09:05:24 AM

So I think I've sorted this, you need to do 5 jobs in a city which will then open a specialist job either Imitation Amnesty, Silver Lining, Summerset Shadows or The Dainty Sload when you complete these and the nightingale questline then you'll get the achievement.

Its 14 main thieves quests, 20 misc jobs then 4 more in depth jobs. :D pretty hard but makes the game worth keeping playing.

Comment #28 by Mojo risin st1r
Friday, November 25, 2011 @ 05:57:51 PM

can i keep the skeleton key and get the achievement ?
or do i have to turn it in ^^ ?

Comment #29 by GoSmurfUrself
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 03:15:15 PM

I think mine is glitched, because I did every little quest until I got the silver lining quest in markath (where you have to get a silver mold) I went to a pine-something and talked to the guy bribed him but it didn't do anything, so I ended up killing him lol and know I don't know what to do. And I have all my guild amor

Anyone else had this problem?

Comment #30 by xXNINJEDIXx
Saturday, November 26, 2011 @ 07:06:16 PM

In pinewatch there is a button on the wall by one of the tables, press it and a secret path opens up, the the silver mold is at the very end of the dungeon. also one of the unusual gems is there

Comment #31 by lavamag119
Sunday, November 27, 2011 @ 12:34:19 AM

i have gotten the achievement but i was wondering is there a main secret quest for the city of riften?

Comment #32 by UaKt
Monday, November 28, 2011 @ 05:38:23 AM

So you only need to do 20 of those miscellaneous tasks and 4 bigger tasks?
To get this achievement after finishing the main quest for the guild.

Comment #33 by Kobushimittsu
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 @ 06:29:49 PM

@#24 That's not a glitch, it's part of a mission involving the Forsworn conspiracy. You have to be arrested and go to Cidhna mine and escape from there with the leader of the Forsworn.

Comment #34 by WaspyPeach
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 @ 11:00:10 PM

every time i turn in a quest to vex she tells me i got arrested even tho no one even saw me or anything.. its starting to piss me off. this is the last achievement i need

Comment #35 by Blue the Observer
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 @ 05:55:00 PM

Delvin and Vex give you odd jobs in five different cities (Riften, Windhelm,
Solitude, Whiterun, Markarth). You must do 5 jobs in each city (excluding
Riften) before you get an improvement quest in that city (which Delvin will
give to you). The game doesn't tell you how many quests you;ve done in each
city so it's best to keep track of it yourself. Odd jobs in Riften do not apply to the improvement quests so if you do get a Riften odd job, just forfeit it and try

Comment #36 by Haterade
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 @ 10:00:18 PM

This dump-tastic game bugged on scoundrels folly gulum-ei is no where to be found. GG yor this achievment.

Comment #37 by carlosarana2
Thursday, December 01, 2011 @ 07:43:50 PM

i got this today!!! best way to get MARKARTH jobs is to save before asking for jobs then try all 3/4 options and there has to be at least one that gives you it

Comment #38 by carlosarana2
Thursday, December 01, 2011 @ 07:44:50 PM

if u don't get what u wanted the reload

Comment #39 by CuddlyREDRUM
Saturday, December 03, 2011 @ 06:55:14 PM

#36 - I couldn't find him because of that bug where he is shown to be somewhere in the mountain in Solitude. I came back to it later and he went inside the East Empire Shipping Whatnot right outside Solitude. He went through a weird door that is nearly hidden.

Comment #40 by Explodius
Sunday, December 04, 2011 @ 01:38:58 AM

#20 - You only need to trade in one piece of armour for the achievement to unlock, after that you can sell the thieves guild armour. I can confirm that this is still glitched for 1.2

Comment #41 by Wounds 2011
Sunday, December 04, 2011 @ 05:04:22 AM

Markarth is so glitched! Every time I do a job there I fail because I have to kill guards because they will never arrest me and I can't pay off my bounty! And I'm the jarl trick doesn't work either :( guess this is a 970g game :(

Comment #42 by Shadow XBL
Sunday, December 04, 2011 @ 11:16:08 AM

how do you keep track of how many misc quests you've done in each city?

Comment #43 by Shadow XBL
Sunday, December 04, 2011 @ 02:31:32 PM

Haterade. I just did this. I followed him the whole way... worked fine.

Comment #44 by xxDAMOSxx
Monday, December 05, 2011 @ 01:29:08 AM

Attention everyone. It is NOT misc objectives/quests. It is jobs that each one give one and it counts as regular quests. And you have to beat the main questline for the theives guild before you can get the cheevo. You also have to do 20+ jobs plus 4 city influence quests before you able to get this.

Comment #45 by xxDAMOSxx
Monday, December 05, 2011 @ 01:30:21 AM

5 jobs in each hold(whiterun, windhelm, solitude, and markarth)

Comment #46 by Kallemall
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 08:31:37 AM

I've done the main quest line, and all the hold 'special' quests too yet I still don't have the achievement, I'm wondering if you need to get the thieves guild armour upgraded to get it, if that's the case I offer a word of warning. Do NOT sell your armour to Tonilia before she has upgraded it because it bugs the game where she keeps asking to upgrade your armour but wont let you buy it back off her, ergo your stuck forever in that particular scenario.

Comment #47 by CallumHardyBamm
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 @ 10:45:33 AM

the skelaton key isnt part of this level, xxDAMOSxx "It is jobs that each one give one and it counts as regular quests. And you have to beat the main questline for the theives guild before you can get the cheevo. You also have to do 20+ jobs plus 4 city influence quests before you able to get this."
if you want to keep the skelaton key save before you embark on the Pilgrim's Path and return the Skeleton Key. Get the 10g achivement for completing that mission, load and keep the key. you can carry on with the Return The Theives Guyild To It's Former Glory acheivement unhinderd!

Comment #48 by Dark Arcain
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 04:16:17 AM

u must do 5 jobs in Markarth, Windhelm, Whiterun and Solitude, Riften doesnt coun t as its already got influence there

Comment #49 by Dark Arcain
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 04:18:20 AM

If any1 is having trouble getting jobs in a paticular hold save the game ry to get a job in a hold u want and if it doesnt work load it and try again thats how i did it

Comment #50 by Dark Arcain
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 04:19:40 AM

Does any1 agress with me that the Nightingale armour is the best looking thieveing armour ever?

Comment #51 by jandrobandro
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 06:05:20 PM

Has anyone had the problem where you can't get any jobs in SOLITUDE?

Comment #52 by jandrobandro
Saturday, December 10, 2011 @ 11:19:27 PM

Never mind fixed it...I just went off and did Some companions quests Came back and it worked.I have now reached the very end where it says "talk to brynolf about becoming guildmaster" but it won't let me talk to him... Any ideas?

Comment #53 by picasotrigger
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 @ 04:23:37 PM

Thanks everyone, I didn't know if the special jobs were opening because of main quest progression or what... should be able to get this soon, halfway done already.

Comment #54 by luckylee17
Thursday, December 15, 2011 @ 12:43:04 PM

Ive done all the quests for the guild and have to retrieve the guild leader armor from tonilia but all she asks is for me to bring her the old armor to upgrade it, but i got rid of the old armor ago. What can i do i want that achievement.

Comment #55 by TheBRADLeyB
Thursday, December 15, 2011 @ 03:12:11 PM

@luckylee17 -

I don't know but I'm freaking out. I as well sold all my Thief's Guild Armor a long long time ago (before I owned a house and started storing 'special outfits' in my chest) and now I've only this Achievement left (which BTW doing all the BS Assignments is horrible especially when they don't tell you what city the jobs are in until you check your Quest Book)

If this F's up my 100% Competition rate I'm going to be pissed at Bethesda, I already dodged one bullet with the Deadra Quests.

Comment #56 by Killerchronic
Thursday, December 15, 2011 @ 08:28:36 PM

@54 & 55, you need the thieves guild armour, if you dont have it you'll be enjoying this on your second playthrough, which no doubt you'll be doing anyway. In short its not a bug that it requires the armour. Also the daedra items isnt dodging a bullet, you get a choice, if you choose the wrong one then like life it bites you in the ass occasionally. It's an open world RPG if there were never any consequences it would get rather boring.

Comment #57 by TheBRADLeyB
Friday, December 16, 2011 @ 01:34:39 PM

No trust me, Daedra Items were dodging a bullet. I don't typically read through achievements and when I was doing the Daedra quests I was leveled beyond the point of use for most of the items anyway.

And I didn't say it was a glitch and neither did 54. What WE are doing is hoping that there is some backdoor way to get our Armour Back since the Achievement requires a good amount of time and about 44 Random Missions that all suck because the way the game loads you outside of the thieves guild only to load two more times before you get to Vex and D-Mal

Comment #58 by eclaireed
Sunday, December 18, 2011 @ 02:58:19 AM

The side quests for this were not that fun (imo), and they took foreverrr. I was kind of disappointed because the thieves guild is usually my favorite!

Comment #59 by dylanc420
Sunday, December 18, 2011 @ 03:40:18 PM

you do not need the thieves Armour to complete this i got this acheivment and i sold my armor

Comment #60 by dylanc420
Sunday, December 18, 2011 @ 03:44:12 PM

does the acheivment score change on this website am at 53 thousand now not 45 wtf

Comment #61 by TheBRADLeyB
Sunday, December 18, 2011 @ 06:14:25 PM


Do you know what you did for this achievement? I assume you have to become the guild master since everyone says that's what you need to do but in the quest where you become guild master it lists going to Tonila and exchanging Armour as a requirement but without any armour the quest can never finish.

I know it's not a glitch but I'm hoping Bethesda gets a loophole in here because if I do decide to do another play through I don't want to be forced to be a thief and do an insane amount of uneeded missions and loads.


I'm not sure what you are asking/stating.

Comment #62 by snakey084
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 @ 06:12:19 AM

Load thieves guild entrance.
Load ragged flagon cistern.
Load ragged flagon.
Get job.
Load ragged flagon cistern.
Load Riften.
Fast travel to Town.
Load shop.
Forge business ledger.
Load town.

Repeat x 20

Comment #63 by seth4486
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 @ 08:41:36 AM

can you get this achievement and still keep the skeleton key? i am going to do this but i would like to hold on to the key.

Comment #64 by O918
Tuesday, December 20, 2011 @ 01:55:11 PM

@60: i think what youre saying is that youve done alot more side quests than the achievement guide says you need to do, and you havent gotten the special jobs? if this i s the case, you have to do 5 jobs in each of the cities, make sure when you get another hiest/nubers/ etc job, that it isnt in a city that youve already done the special job for. once you get the job and find out its in a city youve already done, just talk to him again and tell vex/ D-mal you want to quit, and get a new one

Comment #65 by godrohr
Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 04:27:07 AM

So nothing is needed with the stones?

Comment #66 by OniKawazu
Saturday, December 24, 2011 @ 04:30:19 AM

I can't get jobs in Windhelm. I've tried quitting the job then asking for another and always get some crappy hold I've already finished. Also, sometimes when I ask for a job, I accept and they say here you go but the job start message doesn't appear and there's nothing in my quest list. This is my last cheevo, I have full armour and have already given the skeleton key back and done everything else. This is the last thing I need for 1000g =[

Comment #67 by a dying animal
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:19:58 PM

@60-Your gamescore used to update so on this website so that is the same as it is on your xbox live account. However for some reason it stopped updatign for some people a while back.

My understanding of the achievment from what i have read is that you need to do 14 thieves guild quests after which you must do 5 jobs recieved from thieves guild members in the cities of Whiterun, Windhelm, Solitude, and Markarth. After completing 5 jobs within a citie you will be then given a special mission to do within that city. After which you should follow the instructions to become the leader of the theives guild at which point your achievement should unlock.
-38 missions (14 guild quests, 20 jobs, 4 special jobs).
-You don't need your thieves guild armour (however some people don't seem to be abl

Comment #68 by a dying animal
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 12:21:02 PM

e to unlock the achievement without it so it is better to play safe and hold onto it).

Comment #69 by cookygonecrazy
Friday, December 30, 2011 @ 10:38:37 PM

This one sucks! Be sure to not trade in your thieves guild armour or else you wont get it

Comment #70 by reece9002
Saturday, December 31, 2011 @ 03:56:40 AM

ive had the problem with markath aswell the gaurds say they will arest me so i choose take me to prison then they say that no one escapes the mine, but then they try to arest me again i choose same option about 20x can anyone help plz.

if you get your lockpicking to lvl 100 you can unlock unbreakable lockpicks

Comment #71 by reece9002
Saturday, December 31, 2011 @ 04:00:14 AM

#60 i know what you mean its your gamer score mine says 27777 but ive acutually got 36 thousand, i dont know why its not updating, it mabe it in the settings somewhere.

Comment #72 by undephined
Sunday, January 01, 2012 @ 09:14:16 PM

Guys, I got this achievement yesterday. Here's the exact way I've got it.

You need to get quests from Delvin and Vex both at the same time, in Windhelm, Whiterun, Solitude, and Markarth. You do NOT need to do the Riften missions. So, if you get any Riften missions, cancel them and get a different city. Now, one question that doesn't seem to be in this list is this: Both Delvin and Vex quests together stack. If you get two Delvin quests in Whiterun, and get three Vex quests in Whiterun, total will be five. And then you'll get the special quest for Whiterun. After you do a special quest in any of the four cities, you'll have no need to do any quests in those cities anymore, so skip them.

So, in summary;
Markarth: five regular quests, one special quest
Whiterun: five regular quests, o

Comment #73 by undephined
Sunday, January 01, 2012 @ 09:16:47 PM

Whiterun: five regular quests, one special quest
Solitude: five regular quests, one special quest
Windhelm: five regular quests, one special quest



Comment #74 by kneegrow9009
Monday, January 02, 2012 @ 03:54:20 PM

I have done all the jobs in the cities and have all 4 special jobs under my completed tab and the achievement still hasn't unlocked for me. Is anyone else having this problem? no options for anything about armor when i talk to the girl that's suppose to upgrade it. This sucks, i only need a few more achievements :|

Comment #75 by theCUBEtrain
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 @ 12:20:42 PM

thanks for the simplicity #73

Comment #76 by C41N0W
Wednesday, January 04, 2012 @ 08:46:06 PM

mines not giving me any jobs in windhelm anyone know why? i keep cancel and trying but still nothing :/

Comment #77 by Jaws as Crowns
Thursday, January 05, 2012 @ 04:45:57 PM

ive done a shit ton of the regular one and like three special ones what do i do now?

Comment #78 by BloodyVanish
Friday, January 06, 2012 @ 07:52:09 AM

hi guys i no this has bin talked about alot so i would just point it all out for people who are not sure or have mist it to do this achievement u must to 2 things first of make sure u did the quest Darkness Returns and gave the skeleton key back then second go back to thieves guild and start doing side jobs for Vex and Delvin u can do the same job again and again so i kept doing the Burglary job of vex and the Numbers jobs of Delvin now when u have done 5 jobs in each of these towns Whiterun Solitude Windhelm after u do 5 talk to delvin again and he will give u a special job then thats it .

Comment #79 by Mercury
Friday, January 06, 2012 @ 05:36:23 PM

Yeah this achievement is fucked. I cannot believe you have to have your old armor to pop it. I did everything #72 said. I just became guild master and the achievement didn't pop. Says I still need to retrieve my guild master armor, which I CANNOT DO. Just killed every member of the thieves guild, none of them even have the armor.

If I seriously have to do another playthrough to do this I am going to flip a shit.

Comment #80 by Mercury
Friday, January 06, 2012 @ 05:52:29 PM

Sorry, but thats just retarded. Obviously the Thieves Guild Armor is a fucking quest item, so why do they let you sell THAT but not any other quest items?!

Comment #81 by DeathCrunch
Sunday, January 08, 2012 @ 06:40:25 PM

My armour was sitting in whiterun when i got this. I'll say that i did upgrade a piece of the original armour when i had the chance.
Got the Guild Master stuff no bother without having the original stuff on me,

Comment #82 by Dropped
Sunday, January 08, 2012 @ 08:11:25 PM

Prepare to spend more time in watching loading screens than doing the actual quests...

Comment #83 by uk darcus
Monday, January 09, 2012 @ 12:57:10 PM

@ 51 + 52, cheers your a legend that was doing my head in. solitude pft!!

if you cant talk to brynolf try bashing him with your bow till he fights you then run off, wait a couple hours, then buy back in to the guild, cost 1000 but he should cooperate now.

Comment #84 by uk darcus
Monday, January 09, 2012 @ 12:59:18 PM

that goes for everyone stuck on trying to get the masters armour too, sept if you sold your first stuff your screwed!!

Comment #85 by Krakskrik
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 03:28:28 AM

I sold the all armour pieces, so I had to start a new character to get this achievement. 13 hours total for 30G. Worth it.

Comment #86 by HugTheBear
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 05:38:25 AM

@23.. I haven't had the Markath problem.. Windhelm was hard for me to get quests for.. Either way I just quit the quest and asked for a new one until I got Windhelm.. I hate that I have about 20 failed missions now from doing so, but I wanted this achievement, so I guess in order to finish this I needed to do so.

Note- **SPOILER**(kinda)** This was bugging me when I first started these Thieves Guild quests- Do you need to do the mission where you return the Skeleton Key (Darkness Returns) before starting these? No. I used it the whole way through.

Comment #87 by Epicwhale69
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 06:33:58 AM

i got an update today on xbox. i didn't need the thieves armour to get the achievement so perhaps they fixed it?

Comment #88 by HugTheBear
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 07:31:01 AM

@ my post #86. You do need to complete Darkness Returns to get this achievement. I was just stating that you can keep the skeleton key all the way through the side missions.

@74 ^ that might be your problem. you probably have to complete Darkness Returns..

Comment #89 by Gibelini
Wednesday, January 11, 2012 @ 10:59:10 AM

Comment #90 by simon6051
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 10:05:35 AM

Any ideas if the armor problem will be fixed in patch 1.4? I can't seem to find any information anywhere. All that's said is that it's due out this month (January). Just one place selling a piece of the kit would be fine. I'll pay 20,000 gold for it if they want haha. Last achievement needed!

Comment #91 by grantandsherri
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 10:29:55 AM

This one took me about 8 hours total to complete. (thats all three achievements for the theives guild). I could not finish on my main profile game since Branolf would not move from the square to the ragged flaggon. when i did my new game... i took a cart to riften and started all the thieves guild stuff. from LVL1 i leveled to 18 just on thieves guild quest. All in all a good quest set, but i think i enjoyed the dark brotherhood more.

Comment #92 by grantandsherri
Thursday, January 12, 2012 @ 10:30:57 AM

@52.... shoot him with an arrow in the knee

Comment #93 by davf0
Friday, January 13, 2012 @ 12:46:10 PM

Well, i fucked this as i sold my thieves armor to tonila, realized this after doing EVERYTHING else, pissed off saved it at the point of needing to get my leader armor! save said i'd played 168 hrs at that point! went through all my saves till found one where i had the armor save said 45 hrs played and had only done the first thieves quest, so i thought balls to it i'll do it again only took about 6 and half hours just concentrating on the thieves quest! With the hold quests i just keep asking for the numbers and burgulary jobs and then quitting them if in the wrong place finally did it all but amusingly on my stats it says i've done - 47 thieves quests due to the ones i keep quitting! 1000g finally

Comment #94 by davf0
Friday, January 13, 2012 @ 12:47:30 PM

i meant minus 47 quests!

Comment #95 by BabyBudSalesman
Friday, January 13, 2012 @ 06:59:21 PM

does anyone know if this has been patched? the glitch where it wont let you continue the questline.

Comment #96 by studebach
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 @ 08:44:58 AM

I went to the following site and was able, after a couple hours work, to get my Thieves Guild armor back. You have to register on the site to see everything. It talks about download hex editors and such, but the only program I needed was something called modio. And then I watched this youtube video that shows you how to extract your savegame file and put it on your PC. Then you load the savegame file into your PC version of Skyrim (if you know how to get it). Use cheats to get the armor back, save and then export it back to your Xbox.

Apparently, you can use this method and get all kinds of stuff, but I chose only to get what I needed, because I want the real experience.

Comment #97 by topher347
Tuesday, January 17, 2012 @ 06:08:45 PM

Found a pretty good way to do the side quests, although it takes some reloading. Get the "Bedlam" quests from Delvin, and the "Sweep" one from Vex. Load until you get them both in the same city. Stealing the 3 items for Vex's job will also complete the stealing 500 gold worth of goods for Delvin's. So you can get 2 jobs done very quickly, longest part is just loading until you get the jobs to line up.

Comment #98 by the fr33rid3r
Saturday, January 21, 2012 @ 11:04:13 AM

Why is it people complain when they have to go through the whole game again to get one achievement?! If you are so desperate to get an achievement just do it and quit complaining. Just a tip but next time a game like this is released try getting the guide that comes with games to help you out :D

Comment #99 by Michaelshuby
Saturday, January 21, 2012 @ 02:49:42 PM

i have done at least 10 jobs for each city and finished the main guild quest an still cant get this cheevy so annoying

Comment #100 by oowhatitzmeeh
Thursday, January 26, 2012 @ 01:36:31 PM

This achiemvents is actually pretty easy...just alot of bad comments on this page.

To clarify the only time you may need your armour is during the beginning of the quest. After you upgrade the first time you really dont need the armour to finish the quest since they provide you with NEW Leader Armour.

For this achievement you will need to get a job from Vex and Delvin but try to get them so the jobs will be in the same city for both.

EX: VEX - Sweep in Solitude
EX: Delvin - Bedlam in Solitude

After completing the 4 minor jobs within the four cities from Delvin and Vex you will get a special job from Delvin for the 4 cities Windhelm, Solitude, Markarth, and Whitrun. After completting the special jobs you will be asked to become leader and bamm ACHIEVMENT UNLOCKS.

Comment #101 by surrealfool
Thursday, February 09, 2012 @ 05:51:48 PM

I've sold my thieves guild armor earlier in the game and even after the 1.4 patch it won't let me get my thieves guild armor back from tonilia.

Comment #102 by surrealfool
Thursday, February 09, 2012 @ 06:10:41 PM

Nvm, i have read that if you lost your thieve's guild armor you can find some theives guild boots in the area where they train on a shelf.

Comment #103 by Hailfire101
Friday, February 10, 2012 @ 03:54:41 AM

Correct. Added in the 1.4 patch, there is now a hood and gloves on 2 barrels in the far left corner of the training room.
I can confirm that they work as a hand in to complete that quest.

Comment #104 by Moses Got Swag
Friday, February 10, 2012 @ 11:37:22 PM

does anyone have any advice on bedlam jobs?

Comment #105 by BGB CLUTCH IT1
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 @ 12:35:38 PM

Why do you need the theives armor for this achievment??

Comment #106 by frontieroandrew
Friday, February 17, 2012 @ 12:58:50 PM


Comment #107 by xtwainx13
Saturday, February 18, 2012 @ 07:14:43 PM

I lost my armor too but no problem go to the theieves guild then go to the training room on top of the book shelf is an extra armor set to give to tolina

Comment #108 by bohemisk
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 @ 09:37:30 PM

I don't know why, but I didn't really enjoy Skyrim that much, I couldn't finish this or the mages guild.

But, gotta get these achievements ;-;

Comment #109 by Ross.knight
Wednesday, February 22, 2012 @ 06:07:20 PM

So here is my situation. I have completed ALL of the main hold quests. At this point I should be given Dampened spirits, I go and find Brynjolf in the Market (as this is the only place he resides now) and all he tells me is "Sorry lad, I have important things to do. We will speak another time". I cannot get the quest to start. I do not feel as though there is anything out of the normal that I have done to cause it to bug. Does anyone have a solution?

Comment #110 by Crakajaaka
Thursday, February 23, 2012 @ 06:35:44 PM

Ok, so can I ONLY do shill jobs from vex and only do numbers jobs from delvin to complete each city? or do i have to do a different type of job in each city?

Comment #111 by Crakajaaka
Thursday, February 23, 2012 @ 06:38:33 PM

nevermind, it actually does work to only do one kind of job.

Comment #112 by Slica
Thursday, February 23, 2012 @ 10:51:20 PM

Ive run into a glitch where you do The Dainty Sload. You are supposed to meet Erikur, but he appears in the middle of the ocean near Solitude. Going to his marker, he isnt there. I checked the places he frequents and he isnt there. Without meeting him, I cannot complete the mission and thus get this achievement.

I had read somewhere that it can happen to you if you beat the main quests first.

Comment #113 by Vas3line
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 @ 02:15:17 PM

#98 I think the main complaint is that people spend time into getting the achievement then run into a bug that ruins hours of play... if Bethesda wants you to experience the fullness of the game and requires you to go through certain measures to obtain an achievement then they should be fixing bugs... At this point this achievement bugged for me because I did the main quests first before completing these side quests and never received Under New Management... just spent 4 hours and now need to reload an earlier save just to get do everything I already did all over again... This will definitely be my last Bethesda game.

Comment #114 by Awesome gamer
Friday, March 09, 2012 @ 03:30:59 PM

just repeat the game and try to avoid the bugs you've faced (it's more fun). Gotta admit the game has its issues though about the bugs.

Comment #115 by Bsmittel
Sunday, March 11, 2012 @ 11:48:06 PM

This quest is the most annoying of them all, looks like i'll start a new toon and head straight for thieves guild

Comment #116 by Slica
Thursday, March 15, 2012 @ 09:57:58 PM

I have gotten around the Erikur/The Dainty Sload glitch. Anyone who runs into this, check out this video:

I have now 1000'd the game, FINALLY.

Comment #117 by TheMultiGoat
Thursday, March 29, 2012 @ 03:10:08 AM

I will be glad when I have done this one!

Comment #118 by SPARTAN 465
Monday, April 02, 2012 @ 05:45:30 PM

I missed this the first time. I'm having to play another save to get this.

Comment #119 by illusiion
Friday, April 13, 2012 @ 09:13:19 AM

This achievement seemed short to me..

Comment #120 by b diddy237
Tuesday, April 17, 2012 @ 03:16:59 AM

So gun shy with this game, I'm afraid it's going to freeze up at an important moment. It's still great enough to look past the bugginess though.

Comment #121 by BrewSmoker
Friday, April 27, 2012 @ 09:09:13 PM

Last one I need to 1000! Seems to be taking a while...

Comment #122 by AFX Acid
Thursday, May 03, 2012 @ 06:40:00 PM

This wasn't as bad as I thought, only took me about 2 hours, most of which is loading screens. 5 missions for each of the 4 holds, 4 "main" missions then 1 MAIN mission to become Master. Easy enough!

Comment #123 by ERrorMACro
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 07:39:47 PM

This took a while to get.

Comment #124 by DocRevolt
Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 12:36:53 AM

The description made it sound like you had to do a ton of each type of quest, when in fact you only have to do about five overall in each of the four city-holds other than Riften... Oh well. Nowhere near as bad as people made it out to sound. Just grab these quests on your way in and out of the Thieves Guild while completing the primary Thieves questline. It's a gradual sort of thing, plus the extra coin for each job really helps when trying to rack up the 100,000 needed for another achievement.

Comment #125 by SPARTAN 465
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 @ 04:18:54 PM

I finally got this. I was mistaken the last time I posted in April. Now I just need the 100,000 gold achievement.

Comment #126 by bentbarbie
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 @ 12:35:27 PM

If anybody is having trouble with this because they sold their thiefs guild armour, dont worry. I sold all mine. I completed all the 5 small quests in each of the 4 cities, then i went to the cereomony to become guild master! Then i was stuck cos i didnt have to armour to talk to that woman!! So i looked around and in the center area near one of the beds are some boots. I picked them up, went to the woman, upgraded them, then she gave me a quest. I spoke to her straight after i recieved the quest and i had more options now. Like a shop option and then the option of gaining the master armour from her. Soon as i clicked this and recieved the armour off her, the achievement popped :D So u dont need all the armour, just one piece :D (if you sold them boots on the floor as well...then ooops!)

Comment #127 by WCPhils
Tuesday, June 05, 2012 @ 03:55:14 PM

Do you really need the armor? because I sold it right after I got it.

I'm almost done all the thieves guild quests no. I don't want to start over.

Comment #128 by bentbarbie
Wednesday, June 06, 2012 @ 06:07:58 PM

#127 Did you not just read the post i put or the other 125 of them......

Comment #129 by liam09wafc
Friday, June 08, 2012 @ 09:49:21 AM

Can anyone help? I can't get any small jobs in solitude, I counted that I had done 67 small jobs but not a single one in solitude. Anyone know what's gone wrong or how to fix it?

Comment #130 by BenWo
Friday, June 15, 2012 @ 05:45:31 AM


For people that have sold their Armour all is not lost...

I did this and was incredibly lucky to find that somewhere in an alcove in the Thieves Guild where there is a guy practising archery and a few chests to lockpick, there is a table in the corner with Thieves Guild Gloves and a Hood!

Comment #131 by BMoney015
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 @ 02:56:58 PM

So basically i cant find this guy in "The Dainty Sload" quest. The game is telling me that he is located in the ocean North East of Solitude ? any help would be greatly appreciated.

Comment #132 by perrperr
Thursday, June 28, 2012 @ 01:32:57 PM

this achievement is so boring to get...

Comment #133 by Djpossum
Tuesday, July 03, 2012 @ 12:01:05 AM

If you get to where your at the ceremony and nothing happens. Kill Sapphire and another mission will unlock and then you can proceed to become master guild..

Comment #134 by The Subsistance
Thursday, July 19, 2012 @ 10:29:26 AM

Got the achievement, took me aboout 2 hours i guess. Just do all as described above, complete 5 jobs from Vex and Delvin in total then do a special quest for each of towns except Riften. And when you're asked to trade thieve armor for better do that as soon as you can

Comment #135 by LOL4ever
Thursday, August 16, 2012 @ 09:11:17 AM

If you had to do 40 smaller quest then I must say you were unlucky. I did 19 and the last major city quest was unlocked. Just repeated Numbers Jobs over and over. Easy, fast and risk free. And even if you get caught you can easily bribe the guards for free. Not a long nor painful achievement in my opinion.

Comment #136 by Adeodattus
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 @ 10:28:25 PM

Its hard to become the gray oh im in the wrong elder scroll..

Comment #137 by Red Essence
Friday, August 31, 2012 @ 04:47:48 PM

This achievement is relatively easy. You don't need your Thieves' Guild armors, or the Nightingale armors to grab this achievement. Continue to perform extra jobs from both Vex and Delvin, (I prefer numbers and sweep jobs because they're simple and quick) and eventually Delvin will ask you to perform a "special job." After returning from completing the special job, you must continue to perform the extra jobs, with more special jobs popping up every now and then. You'll notice that as you clear more of these jobs, Delvin will mention that merchants have moved into the vacant areas around the Ragged Flagon. The achievement is awarded after EVERY VACANT AREA has a merchant occupying them.

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Sunday, September 02, 2012 @ 01:31:01 PM

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Comment #139 by MADD MAN 123
Sunday, September 23, 2012 @ 12:08:29 AM

It's fairly easy I guess, but quite time consuming. Still haven't got the achievement, solitude left.

Comment #140 by MorbidEclipse24
Wednesday, October 03, 2012 @ 11:10:28 PM

I love Karliah.. sigh... love..

Comment #141 by Superzombiej
Sunday, October 14, 2012 @ 09:58:14 AM

To anyone crying about ruining their 100% streak,start a new guy,and just make him a thieve then do the quest and get the chevo,not that hard as making a char takes no time and the theives guild line is very easy

Comment #142 by Nuc1earPro
Saturday, October 20, 2012 @ 04:13:13 PM

Currently working on this achievement, and its not exactly easy, very very time consuming lol, thats the only thing that makes it hard, any got any tips to give me a hand?

Comment #143 by ROCKETxKNIGHTER
Tuesday, November 27, 2012 @ 02:22:57 AM

Can I skip the burglary jobs? these jobs are glitchy as fuck.

I've done some of the Burglary jobs, sneaky as ever, double checked no people saw me brake in (cause all B jobs require a break in), no one saw me, got the item, didn't make a mess, teleported back to the guild.... and I still fucking fail.

Bethesda sucks at programing games.

Comment #144 by abeast
Friday, December 07, 2012 @ 07:08:42 PM

So my problem is that I have my thieves guild armor... but every time I talk to Tonilia she doesn't give me the option to upgrade the armor. I have done all the missions in the quest line. HELP!

Comment #145 by II Mortis II
Thursday, December 13, 2012 @ 07:37:30 PM

I just had a burglary job in Heimskr's house in Whiterun. I can't even enter this house due to the rubble blocking the doorway. Fail :/

Comment #146 by OneManArmy09
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 @ 02:13:19 AM

Most troubling achievement ever getting to lvl 50 is easyer

Comment #147 by StrikeAnywhereX
Sunday, January 13, 2013 @ 07:14:41 PM

I don't see why everyone moans about this taking so long... It's really simple, just stick to one job type from each person (I chose Numbers and Sweep), save before picking up the quest from each person - reload if wrong location. Took me around 3 hours tops. But that was also because I enjoyed trying out each of the different job types. Oh and one last thing: Bedlam in Raven Rock DOES NOT WORK. If you get that, reload/abandon it ASAP unless someone knows a way around it.

Comment #148 by saturnschlaeger
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 02:49:29 PM

After reading the posts here i think i have the problem with the Thief's Armor and Tonilla. I sold it BEFORE the upgrade and when i try to get the Guild Master Armor at the end of the Thief's guild quest she wants me to get the Thiefs Armor back with no other dialoge option.

All in all i can`t finish the Thief's Guild questline and because of that no Achievement.

So my advise is: DON'T sell the Thief's Armor before you upgraded it.

Comment #149 by Tritrekker
Sunday, January 27, 2013 @ 08:31:15 PM

It takes a while to do this one. Probably the most boring achievement to hunt, unless you are really into the Thieves Guild. Even then, the continuous repetition of minor, petty and anonymous crimes get rather boring. They main quests are fun, but the other half is boring. I recommend doing this slower half of the quests rather slowly a couple at a time. The do another part of the games.

Comment #150 by Sektion EiGhT
Wednesday, January 30, 2013 @ 10:12:42 AM

@148 there is thieves guild armour in the training room of the cistern

Comment #151 by saturnschlaeger
Thursday, January 31, 2013 @ 02:01:40 PM

Ok. You are right. Thank you so much. There is indeed another complete Thief's Guild armor. I could finish the Guild's Questline without any other Problem and i've got the Achievement. So my comment 148 is invalid. Don`t sell the second Armor though. Don't know if there is a third one... :D

Thanks again. You made my day... :)

Comment #152 by sandy000000004
Wednesday, February 13, 2013 @ 11:55:41 PM

Thought this would help some people:
You don't have to do jobs from both Vex and Delvin. Just got the achievement by doing only fishing jobs :P

Comment #153 by firemud13
Friday, February 15, 2013 @ 03:25:52 PM

I still have the thieves gear and I did all the side jobs and all 4 of the special jobs quests. Delvin said to me that I'm the best thief there is and that the guild is back to full strength. Yet I still didn't get the achievement. Any insight could help

Comment #154 by LewisNoobBuster
Sunday, February 24, 2013 @ 11:50:07 AM

Can't believe it was a whole year ago since i played Skyrim, dayumm!

Comment #155 by saturnschlaeger
Thursday, February 28, 2013 @ 08:48:36 AM


Did you talk to Brynjolf to become the Thief's Guild Master? The Achievement should unlock then.

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Thursday, March 28, 2013 @ 12:02:09 AM

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Comment #157 by noremac1414
Saturday, March 30, 2013 @ 12:37:13 AM

I feel as if this achievement is just to add another 30 hours of playtime into skyrim. I loved the game, but once I found out this would probably take 6-7 more hours(after trying for 2 hours), I quit and moved on.

Comment #158 by emjayen
Thursday, May 09, 2013 @ 01:36:20 PM

Not sure if this works every time or if I've just gotten really lucky... But If I take a sweep job from Vex (until a city I need) then go to Devlin and take a bedlam job, they've been in the same city. Stealing the 3 items for the sweep also counts for the 500 gold requirement for bedlam, and I've been blazing through these. Hope it works for you! Cheers

Comment #159 by jedi4hire
Thursday, May 16, 2013 @ 07:14:26 AM

Do I have to reload a save if I get a city I don't need. I've done about 80 of these missions and none have been in Solitude. And I've spent close to hours just standing in front of them starting a mission and failing it and I've got every city multiple times but never Solitude.

Comment #160 by wilkoisdead
Monday, May 20, 2013 @ 02:47:29 PM

Found this on another forum, fixed my Windhelm problem:

"If you attacked Windhelm with the Imperials and killed Ulfric, but left before Tullius could leave the room and give his speech then the Thieves Guild quests for Windhelm will be bugged. Simply go back into the palace, let Tullius and Rikke leave, listen to the speech and talk to them, and then go talk to Delvin and Vex, and this fixes the bug."

Cannot confirm if this works for other cities yet though.

Comment #161 by DrowAssassin88
Sunday, June 02, 2013 @ 06:48:49 PM

Simple. Beat 5 thieves guild missions from either Devlin or Vex for the cities of windhelm, whiterun, markarth, and solitude. After 5 are completed in each city you get a special mission for each city. Complete all special missions for each city and then talk to devlin again. Finally talk to tonilla and get the master thieves armor. This in effect unlocks the achievement.

Comment #162 by poptart toucher
Thursday, July 11, 2013 @ 08:03:58 PM

So I did about 60 smaller jobs and have done about 9 or 10 in solitude but won't give me the main quest for solitude anyone know what to do?

Comment #163 by powercrystals
Saturday, August 10, 2013 @ 08:58:04 PM

you need to have returned the skeleton key as well?

Comment #164 by spookyjones
Sunday, September 22, 2013 @ 03:42:04 PM

yes you need to return the key i used it to get lock-pick to 100 then returned it go bk to the guild and spek to brynjof

Comment #165 by thcsabinad
Friday, February 14, 2014 @ 03:19:09 PM

OK - there is a lot of useless information about this achievement.
This can actually be done in 2 hours max once you´ve finished all the other Thieves Guild Quests.

1. Talk To Devin and Vex.
2. Get a shill job and a numbers job.
3. Make sure that the jobs are in the same city.
The citys are - Whiterun, Markath, Solitude, Windhelm
4. If one on them gives you a job at the other city quit it and get a new one.
5. Do 5 jobs in one city and then Devin gives you a special job at that city.
6. Do a special job in each city and you will be made a Guild Master.
7. Aftr that get your new armor from Toniala and Voila - the achievemt pops!

Comment #166 by PhilMac9592
Sunday, June 01, 2014 @ 08:27:04 PM

Very time consuming and very easy to not get this. Keep track of every location and job to make sure.

Comment #167 by kloneskull
Wednesday, October 15, 2014 @ 10:11:33 PM

@165 thanks alot, you saved me hours of time :)

Comment #168 by MaraJEWana94
Wednesday, November 19, 2014 @ 01:25:20 PM

To this day this achievement still wont unlock

Comment #169 by LarryLynchmob
Wednesday, August 31, 2016 @ 08:53:05 PM

If You allready sold your armor, You can find a complete new set in the Training Room.
You just need one piece of the armor Set and give it to Tornilla. After that, You get the Option to achieve the Guildmaster Armor.

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