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Hot Topic: Kinecting to a Whole New Generation

Hot Topic: Kinecting to a Whole New Generation

Written Wednesday, June 30, 2010 By Martin Gaston

For a long time now, Microsoft’s Xbox has been seen as the purveyance of hardcore gamers. This can be attributed, predominantly, to two reasons: firstly, the consoles (especially the 360) are chock full of features to appeal to this particular demographic and, secondly, that Microsoft has spent oodles of cash on perpetrating this image.


Moments before journos were bored to tears with Kinect.

But the times, they are a-changing. Microsoft’s E3 2010 press conference emphasised the company’s dramatic U-turn. While previous years have seen titles like You’re in the Movies pitched as the aperitif to mainstay franchises like Gears of War and Halo, this year we saw Halo: Reach and Gears of War III briefly rushed through to make way for Kinect Sports, Kinect Adventures and Kinectimals. Kinect, for 2010 at least, is ruling the roost over at Microsoft HQ.

This renewed focus on the lucrative casual market has been met with varying degrees of scepticism, especially across sites like X360A, which are especially tailored to attitudes of the core audience.

I am not especially fond of the term ‘core’ when it comes to gamers, as it does little other than add layers of distance, complexity and separation between people and games, but I will be using it in this article as a term of contrast to the ‘casual’ gamer demographic that has been subject to such grand scrutiny over the last couple of years. They are familiar and recognisable terms, and they also help signify a split in gaming demographics, all of which I will be discussing later in the article.

Kinect, then, has been pitched solely at a wide casual audience. The sole exception is the Kinect version of Forza Motorsport, which seems to be trying to appeal to dads who love a bit of car porn. The potential for Kinect to redefine the boundaries of the Xbox are immense, and Microsoft is banking on it doing exactly that. But what are you supposed to think if you’re perfectly comfortable with the console as it is now?


Forza's Kinect showroom lets you look under the hood.

Anyone who thinks motion controls will destroy our beloved core gaming might want to consider whether they’ve accidently become inverse victims of Microsoft’s aggressive hype campaign. Granted, it’s hard for a long-standing gamer not to consider the impact of Kinect when you can’t even visit YouTube without seeing an advert featuring two fake children pretending to enjoy the product, but this is exactly how Microsoft wants the product to be seen.

The trepidation most core gamers have towards things like Kinect, I think, is that they feel trapped in a medium that’s chosen to abandon them. What happens to us core gamers, and our preferred methods of playing games, when every games publisher is off chasing a slice of the potential profits that Nintendo has been enjoying for the past few years?

The truth is that Microsoft is trying to present Kinect as a world-shatteringly important peripheral, and one that will redefine the very fibres of our day-to-day existence. They are doing this in an effort to get consumers to spend what is predicted to be $150 on a product come its launch in November. The eventual reality, as we have seen countless times with almost everything on the receiving end of extensive marketing campaigns, will probably be slightly different to what they’re trying to pitch.

My personal opinion of Kinect is not exactly positive - but then I feel none of the games on offer at the moment are trying to curry the favour of someone like me. At the same time, I don’t think Microsoft has forgotten the core gamer, but instead realised titles like Halo: Reach and Gears of War 3 barely need promoting at this stage in development. They’ll sell themselves, after all, and both games look so familiar and comforting the pair will undoubtedly fit the sweaty palms of the core audience like a snug glove.


Are Microsoft swapping Halo for Kinect? No chance!

Microsoft is much too clever to forget their existing audience and the sales potential of their established franchises, after all, there will almost definitely be big pre-launch promotions, and classy adverts for the pair will be splashed all over YouTube, newspapers and in the trailers when you take a trip to the cinema. It makes far more business sense, however, for them to devote their current time and resources on promoting their new slice of the unknown.

Still, that’s not to say Microsoft couldn’t have handled their E3 2010 conference better. This was their big opportunity to effectively pitch Kinect to the core audience and gain some momentum on an undeniably important product in the company’s future, and even the most devout Kinect optimist would have to admit Microsoft stumbled on the former.

While E3 is still predominantly a trade show, its news lights up the web for weeks in its wake and plenty of gamers even stream the conferences live from their computers. One of the main reasons for the negative response towards Kinect from the core gamer is undoubtedly because these dedicated fans now feel left out of a console they have invested in for years.

It also means the big question regarding Kinect – at least for a site and community like X360A – has been left entirely unanswered: is Kinect compatible with the core gamer?


Awwww. I just want to shoot him. No. No! I mean cuddle!

The problem, as I see it, is that Microsoft has - intentionally or not - created a immovable dichotomy with their product line. You’re either a casual gamer, idly dossing around with things like Kinectimals and Your Shape or an indignant hardcore gamer seething with resentment as you plug another four hour session into Halo: Reach. In targeting their assorted products so aggressively at one particular demographic, the overall images presented have become ones of exclusion instead of inclusion.

Interestingly, Sony worked very hard to pitch their competing Move device to the middle section of the market. Sorcery looks like it could bridge the gap between casual and hardcore, offering up a traditional slice of dungeon crawling with accessible Move controls. Killzone 3 will also feature Move support, which has the potential to be interesting regardless of the fact it will almost definitely be inferior to using the controller.

It’s much easier for Sony to do this, of course. Their technology isn’t as revolutionary and is also a perfect fit for the shooter mould, which works out just dandy for them seeing as how it’s the staple genre of the core gamer. Microsoft has the more ambitious - and arguably more exciting - product, but they seem to have made absolutely no effort to bridge the gap between casual and core gaming. Even Ubisoft’s Child of Eden, one of the most exciting product announcements of the show, was completely marginalised to make way for more excruciating time with Skittles and Kinectimals - or, more probably, because it isn’t exclusive to Kinect. Still, it feels like a wasted opportunity.

Oh well, maybe E3 2011 will be different.

Editor’s Note: Hot Topic is a monthly feature here on X360A, where we take one of the month’s talking points and discuss it until your eye-balls bleed through sheer delight. Now that's intense!

Martin Gaston is a freelance writer and a long-term friend of the site. His work can be found over at MegaDerived.co.uk where he spends most of his days weaving words into a wonderful illuminating basket of awesomeness (my words, not his).

 





 
 

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Comment #2 by solarhd
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 06:58:57 PM
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I just sincerely hope that Kinect is not an EPIC FAIL.


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Comment #3 by thatfrigginguy
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 07:15:45 PM
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@#2 I think it will work out.
It's going to appeal to many casual gamers and kids playing with cute tigers so it's going to make Microsoft Buku Bucks.
But how about Hc gamers?


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Comment #4 by Jakez123
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 07:49:47 PM
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@3 don't know about hardcore gamers, but i think there will be a method where they create this badass game which appeals to both spectrum's of the gaming community.


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Comment #5 by THE D ZASTA
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 08:09:59 PM
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If I wanted to play cute cuddly waggle games then I would buy a Wii. Actually I had a Wii then got my 360 and never played it again and sold it so that says exactly how I felt about the Wii. After I get home from an 8 hour work day I don't feel like getting up and moving around so I can play a game, I want to sit with a controller in my hands THAT'S IT! Also I really don't feel like climbing over five year olds while shopping for my next 360 game.


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Comment #6 by Doktor Wilhelm
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 09:25:30 PM
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Kinect could be used for brilliant things in games (used as well as a control pad) but it'll not be. :(


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Comment #7 by Snoop QC
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 09:48:29 PM
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For sure, I'm gonna buy it when it's compatible with a game I like or want. I too want to sit in my couch after a day at work. I think that Microsoft wont let us down hardcore gamers. But if developers and publishers decide to go all the way with kinect, wii or any other move thing, it's them who could let us down!


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Comment #8 by Hustlinonradio
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 10:01:33 PM
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We need to remember that Microsoft is not only promoting Kinect for the 360 but for any computer that applies the Windows operating system which Microsoft did say during the conference as they said they are marketing this to people who also use Window's Messenger as demonstrated with the conversation that one worker had with her sister. So like Sony with 3-D being advertised through different products not only gaming the same is being applied to Microsoft.


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Comment #9 by mistwhisper117
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 @ 11:55:52 PM
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very skeptical. don't take away my controller!


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Comment #10 by UnderDawg84
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 02:51:36 AM
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It's a shame that this technology is wasted on casual-crap.


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Comment #11 by Dragon83uk
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 04:26:02 AM
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I'd put myself into the "core" gamer bracket (sweaty palms and all) and I've gotta say I seem to be the only one who can see the true potential of Kinect. People need to remember that this is not just a motion sensor. They seem to think that this product is the same as the vision cam or eyetoy. It's not. Where those two are essentially just an eye Kinect is two eyes and a brain. For me the potential to change the way our "core" games work is a breath of fresh air. Truly, the sky is now the limit. The only main problem so far is that they've got a pretty shoddy launch line-up. And really, microsoft aren't stupid enough to make the controller obsolete, some people need to stop panicking.


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Comment #13 by Epsilon 616
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 05:42:45 AM
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I will buy the Kinect. Not Because I want to play games with it, but rather to use its hands-free interface to navigate my Xbox Dashboard.

Like most everyone on here, I doubt Microsoft or Third-parties will create an enjoyable game with motion controls. When they do I'll give it a try, but I'm not gonna go outta my way for something that was done on the Wii.

All my friends who have Wiis never use the motion controller anyway. They use the Gamecube controller.

I'm just hoping someone does bring something new to the table.



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Comment #14 by Jefferrz
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 06:11:24 AM
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Perfect for my Daughter but thing I dont like is no price yet. I have heard £150 which is riddiculous as I could buy a Wii with games for that. I dont want a Wii and I am not paying over £100 for what is pretty much an eye toy. PS2 days those were the days of fun lol


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Comment #15 by quartzlcc
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 06:16:36 AM
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Agreed with #10.


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Comment #16 by Tomcre
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 06:24:33 AM
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theres a reason i don't play my wii :|


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Comment #17 by SHARP546
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 08:16:59 AM
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If this starts coming bundled with the 360, other than the 'slim', or in the next gen consoles there may be riots...or an abundance of Kinect(s?) available on EBay


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Comment #18 by Timmsy
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 08:19:09 AM
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fingers crossed they make it into something good as i dont think i will be buying this straight away for sure, its interesting and clever, but like what has been said, i think the wii is childish, and if they brin out the same sort of games and nothing cool, then this will also become childish...


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Comment #19 by Nyhgault
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 08:27:40 AM
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@10: so true =(


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Comment #20 by DMess91
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 08:43:39 AM
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Apart from Microsoft failing at the E3 this year, I just want to say that I actually like Kinect as a "hardcore" gamer (altough I'm not really hardcore, I like to enjoy good games whatsoever). Sure, I play Halo 3 and MW2 a lot, but I'm open to the potential of Kinect games. The currently announced Kinect titles are indeed aimed to the more casual gamers (and I must admit that they're cute, but would probably bore me quickly), but don't forget that Kinect hasn't been around for long yet. I think that better titles for both casual and core gamers will be developed, sooner or later. We just need to give the game studios some time to create good products.

Likewise, people should stop thinking that this will make an end to controller gameplay. Kinect is just another form of controller input, and there is no valid reason why Kinect and classic controllers can't live happily together.


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Comment #21 by DMess91
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 08:44:45 AM
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Reading back, #11 pretty much said the same. I just strengthened his post =P


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Comment #22 by TezJaggs
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 09:07:49 AM
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kinect = SHIT


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Comment #23 by Hypersomniac
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 09:12:06 AM
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I think I might enjoy some of what Kinect offers, but I know my Kids are going to take over my Xbox because of it.


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Comment #24 by Eternal Rhage
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 09:29:05 AM
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I can not, for the life of me, understand why the so called "core" gamers are stomping their feet and having such a hissy fit over these games. Did you guys have the same tantrums when other kid friendly games like Viva Pinata and Hannah Montana come out? Those weren't hardcore, but did it ruin the system for you? No. You waited until your next beloved shooter hit the shelves (or you rented Hannah Montana for an easy 1000Gs.). So why, for the love of all things shiny, are you guys so tore up over Microsoft releasing family friendly games for Kinect?

Even if you say it's because you feel Microsoft has ignored its core demographic with Kinect's launch it would serve you well to stop and consider that this is new technology. Many publishers and developers are going to hold off on investing too much into Kinect until they see how well it fares in the market. Dance games, sports games, and the like are easy to develop and put out there. They're not high cost productions and they're low risk for publishers to put out there in order to test the market for new technology. Nevermind the whole thing about how long it takes for games to be developed (wasn't it over 5 years just for Alan Wake?). Anything worth having is worth waiting for.

Kinect has real potential in adding value to the way even core gamers play. Look back at the "Milo" videos and imagine that kind of interaction in a free roam game like Assassins Creed or Fallout. Kinect is more than just motion control. I hear so many people comparing it to the Wii, but does the Wii have voice and facial recognition? No? Alright, then. MW2 and Viva Pinata both have multiplayer, but that doesn't make them the same game. Same is said for Kinect on 360 and the Wii. They may both have motion control, but there's significant differences that makes it a poor comparison model.

In the end, all this whining about Kinect having family friendly games at launch is doing is making you core gamers look like babies. You'd be better suited just pulling up your big girl panties and waiting until something more "hardcore" comes along to tickle your fancies. And if you want to see something more hardcore for Kinect? Then invest in it. The best way to get publishers to invest in new technology is by showing support of it.


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Comment #25 by Andreas_loel
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 09:52:52 AM
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Can´t wait for the port of Zelda Wild Wanker now with Kinect


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Comment #26 by miiiguel
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 09:57:00 AM
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Very well written article, good work. I have a diferent opinion though, I fell confortable with the "segregation" between "core" (also find the term a bit "loose") and "casual", personalyy I prefer MS aproach in not trying to put Kinect in every game. Let the "casuals" have their fun, what's the problem? I might even get Kinect for the party/non-gaming friends get-togethers.


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Comment #27 by Jamerz101
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 10:27:13 AM
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@24 You just hit the nail on the head.


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Comment #28 by Chanens417
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 10:45:38 AM
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I for one will wait until I hear of something for the kinect that peaks my interest. That has not happened yet, but I still have hope.
The only thing that really concerns me about this is the lack of a physical controller. I know you will still be able to use the regular controller, but I don't get how that will work with the motion controls. Do I have to stand up to play my games, and waive my arm around to perform some actions, while still I use the buttons on my controller for other inputs? I just can't conceptualize how you would play some games with out the use of buttons and triggers for inputs... I think there is just so much more information we all need before we can really pass on too much judgment.


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Comment #29 by klokwerk
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 11:11:40 AM
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Hopefully the little kids will play these games instead of Modern Warfare 2 and Bad Company 2. I am tired of the ear rape.


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Comment #30 by grim0187
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 11:18:08 AM
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Im buying Kinect on launch day not only for some of the launch titles, but Im excited to see what other developers include with it. I would rather have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.


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Comment #31 by BerserkMidget08
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 11:42:49 AM
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Sorry if i missed this but I know the 'slim' is Kinect ready. Is my current Xbox 360 Core system compatible with Kinect?

By the way, Kinect looks quite awesome. Who honestly does not want voice activated dashboards? :D


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Comment #32 by miiiguel
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 11:59:32 AM
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@ BerserkMidget08: Yes it is, the diference between current 360 and the new model regarding Kinect support is that the latter will bring a port which will be able to power it, while in the one you (and I, and everyone who loves videogames) have don't, so you will need to connect it to a power socket.


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Comment #33 by Dragonlightning
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 12:22:14 PM
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the article makes it sounds as if i can't enjoy gears 3 and kinectimals, or medal of honor and dance central. Also why no mention of the hybrid games like fable 3 and ghost recon: future soldier?
#24 is right and i agree, i don't understand why the people not interested in kinect are so annoyed. Are they annoyed that they can't play zumba fitness with a standard controller. If they aren't interested in the kinect games then i REALLY don't see how this is any different to not being interested in any other game. People never made this sort of fuss when the steering wheel controller came out so how is kinect any different. Don't buy it, don't use it, don't complain. It really is that easy.


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Comment #34 by Simlaurel
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 12:46:31 PM
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...Die Skittles


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Comment #35 by Beans8190
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 01:45:07 PM
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I'll wait a bit too see;
A: How well the Kinect does and if any games that do not involve molesting a baby tiger release for it and
B: I want to wait till they work out kinks for it and release some patches cause if its anything like the 360 itself it will find its own way to RROD and make many people cry at the $150 investment they are now watching burst into flames cause they overloaded it with Milo and Xbox's version of Wii Fit.

I do however want to try out that Dance Revolution i believe its called that Harmonix is making, that looks fun to embarrass myself in front of others with. And i want to see a sequel to Mirrors Edge with this, it would give me a reason to randomly jump and slide around my living room lol.


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Comment #36 by KidDivinegon
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 03:05:21 PM
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Right now it just looks like Microsoft wants to try to drag all the Wii fanatics away from Nintendo and establish that market for themselves. Once they capitalize on the joe shmoe gamers the hardcores will more than likely see their fair share. 360 is just too good of a system to ruin with Xbox "Wii Sports" and Xbox "Wii Fit"


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Comment #37 by sheem
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 03:38:17 PM
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i just heard it gonna be 150$ im not gonna buy it at launch now lol


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Comment #38 by Sadpanda45
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 03:39:00 PM
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Did anyone else realize that there is no number #1...


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Comment #39 by sheem
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 03:40:49 PM
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ITS GONNA BE 150$ AND IM NOT GETTING AT LAUNCH NOW I HOPE THE PRICE GOES DOWN . THE NEW SYSTEM IM GETTING AT LAUNCH HERES A LINK TO BACK UP MY CLAIM








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Comment #40 by sheem
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 03:42:16 PM
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http://www.edge-online.com/news/natal-to-cost-149-%E2%80%93-source


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Comment #41 by 2ChopStick
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 04:06:46 PM
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sick


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Comment #42 by towns
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 04:56:37 PM
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i kind of wish kinect had some kind of controller just to control movement. i dream of something like an assassins creed game where the left hand controls walking with a small controller and the rest of your body is for killing people. how sweet would that be


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Comment #43 by Webb [STAFF]
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 05:25:47 PM
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@#33 - Because we know nothing of Fable 3's natal stuff yet. And the article isn't saying you can't enjoy both - there will always be a crossover - but we highlight that they are targeting two audiences specifically.


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Comment #44 by SoulOfTira
Thursday, July 01, 2010 @ 05:36:04 PM
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I just worry there's gonna be random Kinect achievemnts in games :(


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Comment #45 by Domantos
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 06:42:21 AM
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What was it that made the xbox the golden console it is today? It was the fact that they had Halo - Combat Evolved with it from launch.
For them to be able to make the same move with Kinect, they need that kind of game with it. Something revolutionizing that takes gaming to a new level and makes it a must buy for evryone that has seen the commercial... or something similar to that.
It is not enough to come up with a line of games that are so similar to Wii games that it hurts... copycat-games won't make Kinect into something brilliant and new that we all want, but a new franchise like Halo, now that on the other hand...


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Comment #46 by xx0gtriple0g
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 09:13:28 AM
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great article. Just using it for the navigating dashboard or netflix is fine with me. Dont think ill wait till ill see some better games.


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Comment #47 by DC Fanatic
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 11:42:05 AM
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One thing I've always slightly disliked about this site is that you act like its a cardinal sin if you even mention one of the other consoles, so I'm really glad you did. I know its an xbox based site, but we're all gamers here and want to know all the knows and not have it restricted.


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Comment #48 by Pixo
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 12:40:07 PM
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I'll stick with my controllers, thank you very much.


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Comment #49 by nicky6314
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 01:15:21 PM
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@24 This is exactly what I was thinking. I'm really interested in seeing what games will use Kinect IN ADDITION to the controller, for facial recognition, voice commands, etc. I'm not sold, but if this happens (it looks like Fable 3 is going in this direction), I could be convinced.


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Comment #50 by CodSteaks
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 01:49:44 PM
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#24 FTW. You pretty much summed up how I've been feeling about the whole thing. The launch titles do pretty much look like things you can get elsewhere (other than the dance title which I'm not too interested in), but the technology really is a lot different than Wii or Move. I'm excited by the possibilities it presents. I can imagine still using the regular controller in an FPS, but using a hand motion to throw a grenade in a certain direction, or interact with doors or switches and freeing up more of the controller buttons for combat, or using voice controls to control a squad without having to wear a headset. What about in game video chat with a group? Maybe that would curb some of these assholes that may not talk so much shit if they actually had to look someone in the eye. The Kinect is being sold now as a way to try to win over some casual gamers who may only have a Wii, but I think having the technology available could present some awesome opportunities for core gaming. Wait and see.


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Comment #51 by Jigamafre
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 05:21:05 PM
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Any Achievements for Kinect?!?!


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Comment #52 by Acid Mother
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 08:01:19 PM
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I agree that they should've shown more of Child of Eden, to me it was the only game that had Kinect support that even seemed interesting, and as soon as I heard it has classic controller support I lost all interest in Kinect once again.


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Comment #53 by Acid Mother
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 08:09:09 PM
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I also believe that MS's lack of any "hardcore" games for a connect launch title will cause basically a boycott from the "hardcore" gamers and end up deviding their market in two. Kinect will continue to pump out titles worth shit-all, and any potential that it COULD have had, will be wasted on My Little Pony 3: The Magical Ranch.

But that's all beside the point, since it still. Has. The lag. That lag has been there since I met my ex, dated my ex, and got dumped by my ex. Pretty sure it's there to stay, lol.


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Comment #54 by blackout529
Friday, July 02, 2010 @ 09:46:49 PM
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The only thing that's keeping me from buying this is the games. Not one Kinect game at E3 won me over. I'll be more likely to get the Playstation Move and play SOCOM 4 and Killzone 3. I still think Microsoft wont abandon the core gamers cause they know who's making them money.


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Comment #55 by Murn
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 01:34:20 AM
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What happens if I kick the tiger in Kinectimals?


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Comment #56 by Karlman
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 02:36:16 AM
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Kinect for 360 is for working the kinks out of an entertainment hub natural user interface. Whatever comes after the 360 will have it built in if it works, and 3 years from now you'll be able to talk to your xbox to change channels, records movies, find sports scores, etc.. and play games.

what about voice commands for squad base games (didn't Tom Clancy End Wars do this on the PC?) what about calling in air support/artillary support?

Is everyone forgetting the average gamer is something like 30 in NA?

Yes the demo'd games were all casual, targeting the same audience as the Wii.. but hey.. lots of gamers have kids/wives, and anything that makes it easier for a guy to buy the whole game system "but the kids can play with animals, and you can control the TV/Blu-Ray/PVR just with your voice???"

Shrug.. I see a lot of potential in the interface, esp as they add more and more stuff like espn, hulu, netflix etc.


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Comment #57 by shikari
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 03:51:50 AM
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I watched and read everything I could on E3 like I have every year and would consider myself part of the core gamer with computer games in my blood. I see the potential for kinetic not as a new controller or gimmick but as a better way of staying in contact with my friends that live across the globe and not having to find the remote if I just want to watch a film lol. yes the point of kinetic originally was to crush wii and finish off the ps3, but Microsoft spent years developing the xbox and 360 so there not going to spend money to lose it.my biggest trepidation is the clock on the 360 its been around a lot of years and with the release of the slim and the price drop that is normally a sign the console is about to be replaced.....


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Comment #58 by DeafSunchaser
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 07:10:00 AM
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after i saw the price tag at £129.99 i have lost interest in this kinect!


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Comment #59 by gigsy14
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:02:51 AM
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i am looking forward to this not that fussed about the games but just being able to go through my dash board using my hands and voice is just amazing


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Comment #60 by TezJaggs
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 10:21:40 AM
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kinect = SHIT


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Comment #61 by iJon72
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 03:05:40 PM
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not sure bout kinect but can people stop saying its just eyetoy. its really annoying. eye = little camera that doesnt pick anything up, kinect = a lot of technology which can know who you are by your voice and how you look and thats just for starters


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Comment #62 by T.B.R.M
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 04:26:01 PM
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time will only tell for me. i just hope that it doesn't clutter stores with xbox 360 shovelware


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Comment #63 by Miomaar
Saturday, July 03, 2010 @ 04:38:26 PM
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I wonder if some kinect achievements will include doing a backflip ... that would be one tough achievement to get ..


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Comment #64 by the_flood502
Monday, July 05, 2010 @ 05:50:20 PM
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150$ of your monopoly money isn't too bad... for what it is...

Plus it's bolocks... cos the price hasn't been anounced... that price is probablly just a total guess... i mean it says £207 for the kinetic plus the console...

THE NEW CONSOLE ALONE IS £200


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Comment #65 by Pikkutomppeli
Thursday, July 08, 2010 @ 07:25:25 AM
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Looks cool.


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Comment #66 by nastywally
Thursday, July 08, 2010 @ 07:32:54 AM
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Am I the only one thinking kinect will be interesting mixed with 3D?...let's see, I'll give it a try


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Comment #67 by aresuk
Thursday, July 08, 2010 @ 12:01:08 PM
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ive mentioned it before in other forums but every demonstration ive seen on kinect shows it in a big space where you could jump n wave your arms to your hearts content but alot of people including myself havent got the space to do that, alot of people play their games in the bedroom and its very rare that a bedroom can equal the same space shown in the demonstrations.


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Comment #68 by Tommy English
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 01:36:17 AM
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I think the 'core' gamers, me included, have to realise that this isn't an end to hardcore games. We might have to give it it's day in the sun, much like a new born brother or sister, and then when people realise that it's novelty is wearing thin, even for the 'casual' gamer, We'll see a bit more of an equal balance of time spent on both children... I mean demographics. I agree with the above though, Kinect seperates us rather than brings us closer together. Maybe in time we'll see a game that makes us 'core' gamers froth at the mouth but I'm yet to see any evidence of this being any time soon.


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Comment #69 by KingDan06
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 03:56:05 AM
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Wiimote> Kinect


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Comment #70 by Nilfisk2's BloodyTriggers
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 06:10:58 AM
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Lets not judge kinect before its out!


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Comment #71 by cyberstalker333
Friday, July 09, 2010 @ 07:48:11 PM
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Kinect how about Dis-Kinect gonna have to buy a damn adaptor just to Kinect it to my X Box 360 or go buy a new console. So either $300 + $150 or rough est $35-$50 for adaptor plus what $150 for Kinect so about $200 to Kinect = Epic Fail


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Comment #72 by doradude99
Saturday, July 10, 2010 @ 05:16:06 PM
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i would like to see a fight night for the kinect but other than that i dont see much for the kinect i never play my wii without my trusty gamecube controller so i really dont want the kinect at all! casual gamers dont see what there getting with the wii the controllers are terrible without motion plus! all in all sony and microsoft are a little late


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Comment #73 by enderflame
Sunday, July 11, 2010 @ 11:12:41 PM
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hardcore market= f
causal market= A+
It has a ton of lag way to much for any gamer to play competitively. Look at the E3 videos they all lag behind by about half a second. For a causal gamer just looking to pet a cat, its great. The price is horrible for what you would get, $150 is way to much maybe at $70 it would be a good buy. I believe that microsoft is going to have to pull out all the stops to win the next console war. Like integrated wifi, internet browser, free xbox live, and way less console problems (like my ps2 8 years old and still going strong) and make sure the rrod problem is completely gone.


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Comment #74 by DJ Ramir
Monday, July 12, 2010 @ 10:07:44 AM
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This thing Kinect is only for Casual Gamers to take down Wii market, For Harcoregamers we don't need it.


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Comment #75 by prezskroob
Monday, July 12, 2010 @ 05:58:21 PM
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@14
The estimated price point is one hundred fifty American dollars, not one hundred fifty British pounds. I'm no economist, but I do know that a dollar is worth less than a pound. Please don't blow your top over an inflated price point without factoring in currency conversion first.
With that said, it still seems too expensive when a brand new arcade version of the 360 with two games retails for the same price as the Kinect, which will most likely be sold as-is with no pack-in game.


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Comment #76 by hiden
Tuesday, July 13, 2010 @ 03:30:13 AM
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People are forgetting that this is revolutionary technology. sure right now its used for a casual market but that does not mean that in the future it wont be used for more core gamers. How about in FPS's? instead of pressing the B or whatever button to melee you can have the satisfaction of beating the crap out of them yourself!


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Comment #77 by Anarchy 99
Wednesday, July 14, 2010 @ 11:11:56 AM
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What about playing a new version of gears with a different story without the controller, maybe holding a chainsaw gun in your hands and finishing off your enemy with a well timed chainsaw, obviously I don't think Kinect will be implemented into multiplayer games like gears/halo or cod because it would just take up too much xbox system resource and would cause your console to lag even more as it would have 10x more information to upload to the host than normal, I think as revolutionary as kinect is it will for the immediate future anyway remain soley a single player accessory.


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Comment #78 by allifer
Thursday, July 15, 2010 @ 09:12:21 PM
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Unfortunately, it seems like Kinect's controls make it necessarily for casual gamers. How could you play a shooter, or a platformer, without a controller?


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Comment #79 by Xenolith666
Saturday, July 17, 2010 @ 12:05:19 AM
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Not really interested in it.. it's similar to the Wii system, which I have, but never play. It has it's moments when friends are around, but if I want to game, I want a real controller in my hands.. not a magic wand. Kinect will have a following.. but the technology isn't good enough yet to play a game like CoD or Halo on it (and hopefully never will be).


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Comment #80 by callmeclean
Saturday, July 17, 2010 @ 09:01:04 AM
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@24 Biggest. Comment. Eva.... Well biggest I have seen. Anyway This is going to be good once some good games come out for it, and most people just whine about casual games because they are casual and probably haven't played them and realised just how fun and addictive games like Viva Piniata and Kingdom for Kelfings are, Im sure once they start getting more interesting looking games like the eden one and not retarted looking kinect branded games like kinectimals we will see some awsome hits.


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Comment #81 by stryke88
Saturday, July 17, 2010 @ 10:50:51 AM
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seriously.... please don't take my controller off me :( i hate the thought of this and it sucks i want a controller in my hand when im playing my xbox i dont want to be dancing around the room .....


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Comment #82 by R3D DRAG0N 94
Sunday, July 18, 2010 @ 10:48:18 AM
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My biggest problem with Kinect is not with the content, but how it's used, I have a small room so if I even attempted to use it then I would destroy my room and everything in it. As for the games, I won't make any final judgements yet because Kinect could cater for hardcore gamers (me being one of them)in the future but as it is now I'm not interested in this casual stuff (I have no need to pet a virtual cat and ignore my real one). Games like Halo or CoD would need some sort of controller anyway, how would you turn around and keep playing if you are facing away from the TV?


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Comment #83 by bobthedestroyer
Sunday, July 18, 2010 @ 04:27:48 PM
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I'm the clumsiest man in the world. With Kinect, I'll just smack my grandma around and get her mad at me. And then, I would get grounded from my Xbox, because my parents are Communists.


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Comment #84 by Freeman
Sunday, July 18, 2010 @ 06:43:57 PM
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id wait a year after kinect comes out so they can get rid of bugs, maybe build a better library. i don't see myself really using kinect for gaming though.


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Comment #85 by The JF
Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 03:31:48 AM
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as a hardcore gamer I don't really feel like jumping and waving my arms around when i want to play a game. Although i don't really want kinect to fail or anything like that I do feel a bit neglected as it seems Microsoft is spending shit loads of money to advertise this product and there still doesn't seem to be anything (except the actual console) that actual adds to my experience as a hardcore gamer.


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Comment #86 by KiErAn 555
Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 04:02:47 PM
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Can't wait for this! Just wish it was a bit cheaper.


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Comment #87 by Kakushu
Monday, July 19, 2010 @ 06:06:01 PM
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By the looks of it Kinect does look different and interesting.

I just hope they don't give us a huge build up to nothing :/


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Comment #88 by The HD Monster
Tuesday, July 20, 2010 @ 03:31:08 PM
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This is the future! But I don't think it will leave hardcore gamers in the dust, Kinect appears so advanced, and there's so much developers could do with it, that I reckon it will be incredibly fun - even in years to come. But at the end of the day, when i've had fun destroying furniture and throwing myself around, i'm going to pick that pad up again and enjoy some real gaming - because that's what I fell in love with to begin with. So yes, you can have both!


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Comment #89 by T3z
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 @ 10:34:34 PM
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Well, Safe to say when I am an old man I will still be playing games with primitive joysticks when teenagers will be using their brain waves to play. Pretty soon controllers could be "old school". quite sad, almost makes you hate technology. But anyway, dont plan on buying kinect until they develope these "middle" games trying to bridge the divison between casual and hardcore. In the meanwhile, I hope these children's games will get less of these 6-12 year olds off of Gears of War 2's online servers! Kids shouldnt be playing M-rated games!!!!! Sure, I may have played a few M rated games as a kid, but in those days, there was no xbox live!


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Comment #90 by ovoon7
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 01:29:27 AM
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Kinect is trash. It's only revolutionary as a consumer product, not as a technological achievement. And the main argument here people seem to be having about it is how they're targeting their "cores" poorly. I disagree, let them try to sell it to families and obnoxious children. I STILL think it wont sell. All due to the poor marketing. Sure they can advertise it to death, but stupid overpriced product is stupid. Families already have their next gen motion technology. The Wii. Why would they buy another one when their last one is collecting dust? Plus, you need a 360 already to play, the games are more expensive, and there are no franchises to rely on. They're screwed on this one.


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Comment #91 by barmybrownie94
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 03:39:15 AM
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this is just a stupid idea by microsoft. if i wanted to play games with my body i would have bought a fucking wii. this better not ruin games that i play by having kinect parts in the game.


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Comment #92 by edwi77
Friday, July 23, 2010 @ 02:28:59 PM
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I dont know about this, Microsoft!!!!


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Comment #93 by piemaster0304
Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 01:24:28 AM
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I'm honestly not that worried about Kinect. Will I buy it? Probably not unless it turns out to be amazing, but either way I don't see Microsoft doing a complete 180 and suddenly abandoning hardcore gamers. It would be fiscally irresponsible and if there's one thing you can trust Microsoft to do it's doing whatever makes them money. They're just trying to tap into a bit of Nintendo's newfound market.


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Comment #94 by HareJordan23
Sunday, July 25, 2010 @ 07:40:47 PM
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Wasn't looking too intriguing but I saw screen shots of the basketball arcade type game and it looked really fun.
Wii is fun but as an XBOX owner I rather stick with the excellent graphics and I mostly play shooter games anyways.


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Comment #95 by Blue Thunder28
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 @ 08:07:15 AM
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I am getting SO SICK of all the "if I wanted to (reference to moving) I would have bought a Wii" comments.. they are on everything about Kinect! God damn people!!


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Comment #96 by jshmnz
Wednesday, July 28, 2010 @ 05:17:00 PM
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they need to put call of duty or shooters on this console thing


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Comment #97 by kevcowie1983
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 05:14:39 AM
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i think the comments being made about 'already having a wii so kinect is pointless' are ridiculous. i mean correct me if im wrong but the only way the wii knows you are moving is because of a MEMS accelorometer (may be wrong lol) which is very limited as all it can pick up is basic movement which is best demonstrated in the boxing game that first came out with the wii. here i was thinking that if i uppercutted my 7 year old daughter or caught her with a sweet left right combo then that would be translated onto screen, but no it turned out to be whoever had the fastest wrists won. kinect on the other hand as far as i can see is like having your very own motion capture suit at home where every movement u make is translated on screen.
im really looking forward to using my avatar to tell my friend what i think of them via the use of hand signals!


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Comment #98 by Rawrka
Thursday, July 29, 2010 @ 07:03:16 PM
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Kinect doesn't really seem that interesting; or whatever they've shown of it - the tiger molesting the little girl doesn't interest me.


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Comment #99 by VegetaD66
Sunday, August 01, 2010 @ 09:04:21 PM
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I have 0 interest in any games for the kinect so far.
I have a Wii also that i never play.
Hopefully they'll bring some more interesting games for adults.


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Comment #100 by SOTG Ace
Monday, August 02, 2010 @ 04:50:55 PM
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I am one the spoils my kids whenever I can. My eight year old daughter loves playing games but the controller is a little cumbersome for her. Not to mention I don't let her watch me play games like COD or Borderlands. Anyway, she has seen the videos for Kinectamals (sp?) and the dancing game. She really likes the idea of no controller. So I'll get it for us and see how we like it. Maybe when my twins are older they will pick up gaming a little easier with it. Who know if it will be a flop like the Gameroom idea. But you don't know unless you try.


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Comment #101 by Elladyr
Friday, August 06, 2010 @ 01:47:03 AM
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Am I the only one thinking back to those days of fighting over the TV remote with my brother? While I love the voice activated media controls, I really dread the idea of my future children changing the channel by squealing out the title of their entirely inane programs. I am absolutely looking forward to the possibilities when it comes to the facial recognition and dialogue in games.

All in all I am open to the concept of Kinect, just like I was with my Wii. However the fact remains that the only games I can stand on the Wii are the ones which do not force feed you entirely motion sensitive control schemes. For some stuff, motion controls are more fitting than a controller. For the most part though, my opinion where motion sensitivity is concerned? Less is more.


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Comment #102 by lordozma
Friday, August 06, 2010 @ 12:12:20 PM
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I'd like to see Kinect and the controller interacting, sort of like a "2.75-D Holodeck", if you see where I'm going. Voice controls and motion sensitivity have potential, but you need the controller for the finer parts of control, like performing actions.

An example: If this Kinect thing is sensitive enough to pick up your eye movements, have it contol where your ranged weapon is aiming, you control your character with the controller, and if/when you play online, you can do away with the headset. It'd be fairly immersive, in HD if you have an HDTV, and you won't have to deal with the baggage of 3D goggles (which do nothing!).

Not quite sure if this made sense at all, but that's what I'd like to see. Although, as always, I could be wrong.


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Comment #103 by halogod3330
Friday, August 06, 2010 @ 09:13:55 PM
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i hope this is good because of the.....150$......omg!


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Comment #104 by lordozma
Tuesday, August 10, 2010 @ 01:19:45 AM
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@halogod3330

Not to mention the 300 bucks for the new console. Equipment needs to match, eh? I wonder how many people will buy the new 360 S for the new look, not the new hardware.


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Comment #105 by Mr. Olaf
Tuesday, August 10, 2010 @ 03:09:35 AM
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The price of kinect in NL will be 150 euro. That's way to much, especially when there are just some wii like games. Hopefully there would be some nice names lined up to kinect. About the controller, I don't think the controller is gonna disappear.


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Comment #106 by RUSSIAN ODST
Tuesday, August 10, 2010 @ 10:35:11 AM
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this system is too much for such a lack of games for hard core gamers. Kinect needs something like gears of war 3 where i get to swing my arms in the air chainsawing locust. And the other problem about this is that i dont have much space in my home nor really want to get up off my couch. Kudos for Microsoft for not hopping on the Wii bandwagon but they need better launch titles for this to sell.


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Comment #107 by omi_the_alien
Saturday, August 14, 2010 @ 03:04:06 AM
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@ #24

I agree with what you're saying. I'm interested in the Star Wars and Forza games they've shown so far. However, the day they make something like Halo Reach, or a Call of Duty/Medal of Honor compatible with this technology, that would make me more excited than when I first got a gaming console way back when. Playing Call of Duty using only motion, and acting out everything as you would in real life, would be so awesome. Still,I am looking forward to some of these launch titles.

Will most likely be buying Kinect at launch for my and my girlfriend.
I'll have a good excuse to get physical. :)


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Comment #108 by pure_acidic
Saturday, August 14, 2010 @ 01:21:14 PM
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Too expensive...


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Comment #109 by NO SUPER POWERS
Monday, August 16, 2010 @ 11:03:58 PM
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For me im looking forward to kinect everyday. For me its new ways to play games, most of us have evolved with gaming as its progressed though all its gaming stages.


Twisty knobs > keyboard only > d-pad > buttons > joystick > mouse and keyboard > Flight stick > Power Glove > shoulder buttons > Light guns > triggers > analogue stick > Dual analogue sticks > Steering wheels > rumble features > VMU > trigger and shoulder buttons > motion controls > tilt controls > now NO CONTROLS

Im looking forward to the future of gaming with kinect.

Ive played my favorite games with all the about feature's and still playing my favorite games now and will continue to play my favorite games in the future weather its with a pad, motion controls or a VR unit on my head and I just think what i want to do to play the games.


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Comment #110 by LegendaryMarvel
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 @ 07:06:31 PM
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at this point the only reason I'm looking at getting Kinect is so I can try to get my gf into gaming a little bit. Even though I don't really consider what Kinect is at this point to be much of gaming, it'd still be a start. I really want to see something aimed at the "core" community.


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Comment #111 by LegendaryMarvel
Tuesday, August 17, 2010 @ 07:17:39 PM
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@57 what happens is... *ding* Achievement unlocked!


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Comment #112 by welshmassive
Friday, August 20, 2010 @ 07:10:15 PM
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90% of the people that have commented are hardcore gamers you can tell that by their gamerscore.but come on guys do you really think that the way of the console was going to stay in your hand the only thing they can do is try and move forward.even if the kinect fails its got to be better than the ps3 version of the same thing.i cant wait for the dance game just to make a tit of myself with the misses and kids and publish the evidence to facebook.but keep bringing out the games we love.


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Comment #113 by II IcE RiflE II
Friday, August 27, 2010 @ 11:44:17 AM
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Ridiculous pricetag, load of crap rip off of the wii, which isnt really worth ripping off in the first place! Pointless attempt to appeal to families, face it, the xbox 360 is a serious console for serious gamers.


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Comment #114 by II IcE RiflE II
Friday, August 27, 2010 @ 11:51:51 AM
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@ comment 24 people are moaning because its a pathetic rip off of something that already exists in gaming. The wii is complete toss thanks to its control system. They only ever bring family rubbish out for it - only official nintendo games are worth buying and most of those are rehashes of old stuff! This is what us 'hardcore' gamers have beef with.


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Comment #115 by undergr3nades
Wednesday, September 01, 2010 @ 04:12:29 PM
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kinect+drunk= fun party.

it used to be rockband, ddr, and any other game people at a party can just walk up to and invest 10-? minutes playing without getting to attached to a story.

kinect in my opinion is a pick up and play type deal. I mainly want it so I can talk to it, and swipe my netflix movies like the lazy person I am.


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Comment #116 by Burry26
Thursday, September 02, 2010 @ 03:31:30 PM
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i am most likely going to buy kinect but only for use on the home screen and netflix, prolly not for actual game play


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Comment #117 by Umbreonic
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 12:22:57 AM
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I really think this isn't going to go well at all.


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Comment #118 by FoxMulder518
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 @ 05:39:13 PM
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I think that casual gamers may end up sticking with the Wii seeing as its a lot cheaper than buying a 360 and Kinect. Plus, the vast majority of Wii games are tailored to the casual audience unlike the 360.


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Comment #119 by Assasin13
Friday, September 10, 2010 @ 01:05:06 AM
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Hmm... you are the controller eh what if you mod it...


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Comment #120 by LedForeigner
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 @ 02:21:26 PM
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I know it sounds gay... but I really want the dancing game =p


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Comment #121 by Ant695
Saturday, September 18, 2010 @ 10:11:27 AM
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I really hope there are more core games announced for kinect and i would love to see something done with fifa 12 for kinect.


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Comment #122 by BoomBoom
Monday, September 20, 2010 @ 09:40:47 PM
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From the look of it, i don't see any good titles coming out for kinect, and i don't see it being very successful


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Comment #123 by drwalters81
Thursday, September 23, 2010 @ 01:50:47 AM
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If you look at the $150 US price tag vs a Wii or PS Move which requires $50 for a controller and an additional $20 or 30 for the secondary part of the controller to work the other hand, a 4 person multiplayer game will run over $200 to get everyone playing. As long as they can get a single unit to recognize the multiplayer properly it will actually be the cheapest option available. Sports titles can be great with the interactive elements, and imagine being able to issue orders to your squad in COD or Gears with a simple hand signal. There are some things that simply can't be replicated without the controller in hand, but using the Kinect could add new elements and diversify those controls. It will take time for developers to bring the new technology into the games but it will happen.


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Comment #124 by Joe1993
Sunday, September 26, 2010 @ 04:35:03 AM
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£125 for kinect. You can get a Wii for less than that.


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Comment #125 by JSusie
Thursday, September 30, 2010 @ 09:40:25 AM
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I want to play video games, with a controller in my hand, in a dimly lit room, and absolutely NOT have to do any sort of stupid motion controls....ever.

And with all the companies who will inevitably want a piece of the Kinect generated revenue, that means less amounts of quality gaming in other areas. Face it there's just not enough money around to spend the same amount developing normal games AND add in a bunch of new expenses developing Kinect titles.

So for people like myself who want nothing to do with anything Kinect offers, it really feels like I'm getting the shaft. Either Kinect hits it big and I get less things to play (with a controller only), or Kinect is a bomb and I'll still have less things to play due to all the wasted time/effort/money companies spent on Kinect.


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Comment #126 by The Killer Cook
Thursday, September 30, 2010 @ 10:20:37 AM
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I dont understand the problem,
this is evolution baby!
for me this means just an even greater choice for what is already the best console on the market. i consider myself a hardcore gamer and would happily play anything that falls into my lap.


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Comment #127 by RichXbox360
Sunday, October 03, 2010 @ 08:24:35 AM
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All you people who are bitching about this being a Wii rip off need to shut up.

You only have to watch game videos on Youtube to know this kicks the Wii's ass several times over.


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Comment #128 by 64LaVa64
Monday, October 04, 2010 @ 12:00:14 AM
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This seems somewhat stupid. . .


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Comment #129 by achti
Thursday, October 07, 2010 @ 01:30:30 AM
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When i first saw milo in project nathal i saw some very promising things. Then i saw kinect. myeah remined me of the WII. More improved yeah but still pretty casual. Milo showed me evolution, kinect shows me casual stuff.

i hope im wrong and that they make games on it for the HC people. But for now im pretty dissapointed.


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Comment #130 by shikari
Saturday, October 09, 2010 @ 10:36:38 AM
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I recently broke part of my back so i have been spending hours playing xbox as you do, but with my increased mobility i need to strength the muscles around my broken disc for an operation so looking at the videos most of the launch games look like light hearted exercise, which seems like what i need. sure the idea seems like a last ditch effort before a new console next year, based on history you make a console smaller a new one comes out but im hoping it will make a difference.


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Comment #131 by wickedclowns95
Tuesday, October 19, 2010 @ 04:41:19 PM
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@59 It's called Kinect not Kinetic. I can see why you might make that mistake but that word shows up about 150 times on this page alone. No joke, I just Ctrl+F'd it...


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Comment #132 by slapheadste
Wednesday, October 20, 2010 @ 07:50:07 PM
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Come on its not about the Kinect, its about microsoft making money, there not bothered what anyone thinks because they know people will buy there products and keep on buying xbl over and over again!


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Comment #133 by a hippyslayer
Saturday, October 23, 2010 @ 12:12:03 AM
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Ill buy it. If it sucks who cares its $150? If you dont have that I hope you're still at your parents. Otherwise you need to step your life game up. Dont wanna be a douche but lets be real.


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Comment #134 by NYL17
Saturday, October 23, 2010 @ 10:57:32 AM
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i don't see how this could be a bad thing...it'll never take anything away from 'hardcore' games but represents the future of the media aspects of xbox. i will buy it just for the fact that you don't need a controller to browse through your files or find the remote when you need to pause a movie...


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Comment #135 by Abused Crayon
Monday, October 25, 2010 @ 03:38:17 AM
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i won't be getting kinect for the reason, i don't have the space, you need to stand like 6 feet away to fit into it, not a chance everyone has that room.


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Comment #136 by gtarules
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 @ 08:45:46 AM
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I was wondering what would happen if you got excited on the kinnect, hey it might go back to the old NES days when we had sex games on the consoles......get this 100G getting laid, -1000G got her pregnant and so forth lolz :)


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Comment #137 by SFAL
Friday, November 05, 2010 @ 08:31:11 PM
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Microsoft certainly knows what they're doing when it comes to marketing, I'd think; are we not the evidence? However, focusing on children and the more young at heart (or some not quite happy with things would say, more simple minded) as they've show with both their website and the newest sights and sounds of the dashboard makes it more clear they are more concerned with this demographic already in the hands of Nintendo. Do they really have to be so obvious about it all?

So, they are not perfect at marketing, because they've fucked this up. It's not some either or proposition, and so they have squandered the chance to do both at once. To, aside from all the other hype, to release some really cool ground breaking hardcore gamer material. Or at least to make up some vaporware and announce it, to make some sort of "yes we still care" type of gesture to everyone that doesn't give two shits on a Sunday about the Wii, PS3, or any of the junk they've added to the 360 recently.

In many ways, this is just like MTV Games/EA/Harmonix/Mad Catz/Gibson squandering the opportunity to create variations of stringed instruments and other instruments, push the music education prospects, and make all the peripherals available at launch for Rock Band 3. Sometimes you just mishandle the data flow and promotion of everything you're doing because you're short-sighted. It's not just the external consumers impacted by such things, and not everyone is free to complain about it.

Hey, better luck next time, right?


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Comment #138 by EvilRyu
Monday, November 22, 2010 @ 08:01:28 AM
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I like it good system to workout just like the wii..it make you feel like you are in the game.By the way is time for everbody to do something different get up of the sofa and burn out the fat.


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Comment #139 by gunner_dave
Wednesday, November 24, 2010 @ 05:00:36 PM
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i so carn't wait to get this, shame i have to wait till christmas tho :(, the sports kinect game looks amazing, ill have loads of fun on that


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Comment #140 by hoopzers3
Tuesday, November 30, 2010 @ 08:13:28 PM
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kinect looks really fun


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Comment #141 by fox5200
Wednesday, December 08, 2010 @ 02:11:02 PM
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Kinect is really fun and provides something "different" to do. I'm a massive fan of HC titles like Mass Effect, GTA, Red Dead, Halo and CoD. Now I can add Dance Central to that list ;)


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Comment #142 by PlayforGold
Thursday, May 26, 2011 @ 04:40:55 AM
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I think Kinnect will be absoloutely amazing. I can't wait to own it!


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