More Ads, Less Services and Poor Functionality - The Continuing Decline of Xbox Live

More Ads, Less Services and Poor Functionality - The Continuing Decline of Xbox Live

Written Friday, May 04, 2012 By Lee Bradley
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Remember the “blades” operating system? That was nice, wasn’t it? In retrospect the original Xbox 360 dashboard may not have been the most attractive, but you could get everything you wanted from it quickly and easily. It was built with gamers in mind, designed from the ground up to make our online lives a little easier. 

But then everything started to go wrong.

Unfortunately, Microsoft seems to have been on a mission to undo all of its good work ever since. It has introduced a couple of major redesigns that have brought more adverts and more non-game-related apps, while major gaming services have been buried or removed entirely. It’s a sorry state of affairs.

In an effort to evolve the Xbox 360 from a console into an entertainment hub, Microsoft has forgotten the people that helped establish the brand in the first place: Us.

It’s pretty easy to identify where it all went wrong. In December last year, Microsoft introduced a new dashboard designed to reflect the look of the Metro operating system used on Windows Phones and in Windows 8. Undoubtedly attractive, the tile-based redesign has been an absolute nightmare for users.

The first complaints focused on the amount of advertising. The new layout provides space on every single page that is dedicated to advertisements. Indeed, in many cases more space is given to ads than actual features. It means that users have to wade through all of the extraneous fluff before they can get to what they really want. It’s intrusive and usability suffers as a result. 

This is accentuated by the design of the thing. If you want to launch a game from your library then you have to scroll past the Home, Social and Video tabs, before then clicking on My Games to get to what you actually want. Rather than making playing games - on your games console - the most immediate function, the redesign instead prioritises entirely non-game-related features.

Microsoft’s treatment of Xbox Live Indie Games is a further example. The service launched to much fanfare in November 2008, but was subsequently undermined and ignored, a situation that reached a nadir in 2011 when the redesign buried it almost entirely. Microsoft eventually adjusted the placement of XBLIG to bring it slightly more to the fore, but that was only in response to outrage by both consumers and developers alike.

Ultimately, this is all indicative of Microsoft’s focus. The company has made no secret of its desire to turn the Xbox 360 into an entertainment hub for the whole family, rather than just a dedicated console. This has been the aim since long before the redesign. That’s why the service has seen an influx of social and media apps. Ultimately Microsoft wants its machine to be the only box beneath your living room television. It’s a worthy goal. But it shouldn’t come at the expense of what the majority of gamers actually want.

Most worryingly, we’ve seen indications in recent weeks that the situation may get even worse.

On Wednesday it was announced that Inside Xbox, XBL’s game-based video content, is to be canned. Across the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, shows like Major's Minute, Featured Videos and Insider Moves will come to an end. Other territories may well follow suit. The intention, says Microsoft, is not to eradicate game-based video content entirely, but instead to farm it out elsewhere.

What this means is that the company will no longer have a community-facing video game show in those regions, despite the overwhelming influx of video content tailored to every other entertainment need. Put bluntly, Microsoft doesn't want to talk to you about games any more, it would rather get someone else to do it for them.

It’s a shame, but then as some commenters pointed out - it’s not like you could find Inside Xbox on the dash anyway, because it was hidden under so much crap.

There’s more troubling news too, in the form of yet more advertisements. Last week it was revealed that Microsoft has struck a deal to introduce 15-30 second commercials to the service, to run within TV and video apps on Xbox Live. More and more of your time on the console will now be spent watching adverts, rather than experiencing the content you choose to enjoy.

Xbox Live has seen a 142 per cent increase in advertising revenue since 2010, the same year that Bloomberg estimated that the service had generated more than $1 billion. Users pay a subscription fee for Gold membership - which has also seen a recent increase - so Microsoft’s decision to introduce more ads while cutting services is massively disappointing.

With Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, Microsoft does many things right. XBL continues to provide functionality that users on other platforms have been requesting for years. It does a decent job of bringing gamers together online, allowing them to chat and play and share their experiences. But much of this was established years ago. Recent developments have only eroded the good work.

So what can we do? Well, beyond canceling our Xbox Live subscriptions, not a lot. Far more advisable would be to make your voice heard. You can start by helping to save Inside Xbox across Europe, the Middle East and Africa, by signing the petition here. It’s a worthy cause, with a carefully thought out message.

After the price increase to Xbox Live subscribers last year,” reads the petition, “it was expected that more money would be put into these services, not a complete cancellation. Please don't let a poor dashboard design, which caused the Inside Xbox videos to be buried behind a user-unfriendly menu system, end the life of the shows so many of us love.”

And that just about sums it up. The redesign is poor, the price has increased, the services are being eradicated and gamers’ needs are not being addressed. It’s time we asked for more.


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Comment #1 by MajorBrusselsXI
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:23:43 PM
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I'm pretty sure that you don't have to go all the way over to the games tab to find your games library, just hit quickplay!

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Comment #2 by BKV
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:30:08 PM
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Quickplay doesn't have your entire library.
I just press the Guide button and go to My Games to play XBLA games when I desire. Also for the video ads, if they really bug you, search for how to "solve that problem".

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Comment #3 by Tony Dawg
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:34:55 PM
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Amen. I had to go into my router's settings to block those irritating ads on every section because if I were to accidentally hover over one, it'd start playing it! Talk about annoying.

I will be signing that petition. Although I don't watch those videos often, but when I do, they have some really good insight that I would have never thought about.

M$ really needs to turn this around. The 360 is a gaming platform. Not an entertainment center.

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Comment #4 by Capn Doug
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:36:29 PM
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I've never understood why people have such an aversion to advertising. Not just on 360, but in general. People intentionally come into tv shows 10 minutes late so they can skip the ads on PVR, or even torrent it just to prevent having to see ads. Ad blockers get installed to prevent seeing them online.

The message is always that "we pay for gold, we shouldn't have to see ads," which doesn't exactly hold up. I pay for cable tv, and it has ads. I pay for a magazine, and it has ads. I pay for internet access and it has ads. All of these cost more per year than Gold, so the "pay to prevent ads" theory doesn't hold water.

The order of the tabs is somewhat valid, though. On my Windows Phone and Windows OS, I can customize the placement of the tabs. The new dash is ment to emulate that, but I can't adjust them. I don't mind the video/music/tv tabs, but if I could put the games tab where the Bing tab is (for example), it would be ideal.

The only major issue that I have come across is getting Kinect Fun Labs to launch. I have to try and redownload it to get to the "Play Now" button.

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Comment #5 by Original
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:50:26 PM
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You already have our time and money, what else do you want Micro$oft!?

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Comment #6 by The Dukenator
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:52:04 PM
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Then there's the Motorola patent shit.

It takes me minutes to navigate Playstation 3's XMB compared to navigating Xbox 360's dashboard for a few years. There's less ads on it.

Xbox Live Gold vs Playstation Plus: Who would win?

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Comment #7 by Dark Knight1990
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 12:54:17 PM
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Couldn't agree more with this article. If gamers start to speak up, I'm confident that Microsoft will listen.

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Comment #8 by Tenreth
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 01:07:46 PM
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@ #4

You're paying for that kind of service. Cable TV is a service, but the program is brought to you by the tv station. They earn money with ads. Same for the internet.
Magazines is a valid point. Thats rubbish and they should get rid of that.
And then there is XBL. We're paying tons of money for that thing, and yet, they still include that damn high amount of ads. 75% of that actual dashboard design is crap and filled with useless ads. I wanna play with my console. Thats why i got it. There is no need for those useless features.
Youtube, Skype and stuff like this can stay, i don't mind at all. But when i don't need it, there should be an option to disable some tabs completely. Let me design my own dashboard WITHOUT that massive ads-spam.

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Comment #9 by XX HEH8ME XX
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 01:15:02 PM
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@4 not entirely true, tv has always had ads my xbox live didnt at first. networks like HBO and Showtime, etc, dont have commercials because you pay extra for that service, in addition to cable. when you watch something on demand from your dvr and its a show from cable, you can't fast forward through the commercials. you can rewind but can't skip.on crackle theres an ad in the beginning of the movie and if you skip forward another ad pops up because the service is free. just saying, because what exactly am i paying for with a gold membership? I still buy points to buy DLC's for my game i bought not to mention arcade games and movies and shows. and theres an ad on the bottom right of my screen for mayweather vs. cotto. tonight 9pm et, 6pm pt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Comment #10 by mistwhisper117
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 01:56:06 PM
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Signed the petition...

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Comment #11 by CoffeeAddict5
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 02:05:56 PM
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The fact that I couldn't customize the dash has always been my biggest complaint. Now I know why they did that. Fuck you MS.

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Comment #12 by Capn Doug
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 02:12:36 PM
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@8, it isn't really a ton of money. It's $5 a month, compared to ~$30 each for cable and internet, or $8 for a magazine.

@9, the difference is that HBO/Showtime and such advertise that they are commercial free. They see that as a selling point. LIVE Gold doesn't promote that it is ad-free, and there have been ads on it for as long as I have been gaming. Even if they are promoting the new DLC for Call of Duty or a new XBLA release, that is still advertising.

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Comment #13 by Scotty
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 02:31:32 PM
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good article. its a very valid point, but there is nothing we can do about it. when was the last time a major company gave a shit about what the consumer wants. i hate the new design and use nothing except the home tab just to launch my game and the video tab for films. the rest is useless tat. although i'm happy with the youtube aswell, i've used that quite a bit, although its very slow compared to the computer.

also, this problem is really only a problem to dedicated gamers(me included). so many people now own an xbox for family game nights, or having your mates round, etc. all the little extra features are primarily aimed at those people who are unfortunately in the majority, so are unfortunately here to stay.

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Comment #14 by IIISETIII
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 02:48:17 PM
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They won't even fix their d-pad. They'll do nothing about this.

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Comment #15 by Eazynem Makaveli
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 03:13:16 PM
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i moved to ps3 permanently, i'm sick and tired of MS changing different Dashboards constantly and payin gold.

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Comment #16 by gazmaster1
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 03:28:29 PM
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@14 What about the transforming d-pad? There is a lot of what MS does that bothers me but a lot of stuff which keeps them light years ahead of the competition. I also have a PS3 and just dont get on with it, I use it to watch blu-rays and thats it. But that also highlights the problem with MS continually trying to push the whole entertainment aspect of live. I get all the free video services on my laptop and cable box and even on my windows phone for free and I would rather watch them through a different medium as I dont want to burn out my 360, which recently happened. This means all I want from my 360 is a gaming machine and thats it. I dont want over priced VOD or GOD. At heart im a collector and I like owning a hard copy. And when you hear MS sating they wont be changing the price structure of GOD as they are profitable why on earth would they change there current structure just because us gamers who gave them a foothold in the market say so, its a very sad state of affairs.

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Comment #17 by MadMoo Moos
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 04:51:44 PM
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15 - 30 seconds is less than you'd have to watch if the prog / film was on tele, it's still irritating though. I don't mind a bit of advertising on dashboard if it's game related but I think they've got too much at the moment and I hate the new dashboard design.

@4 I think the bing tab (I've never used it) would be a great place for the game library. Kinect fun Labs = Games > Games Marketplace > Kinect Games, although it does move around that screen it launches on clicking.

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Comment #18 by nekroballe
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 05:37:40 PM
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Xbox Live has seen a 142 per cent increase in advertising revenue since 2010, the same year that Bloomberg estimated that the service had generated more than $1 billion.

And we still pay 50€ a year to play...

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Comment #19 by HalfEVILmonkey
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 05:44:20 PM
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I honestly would have agreed with the author when this format first came out. Now I actually have to admit I like it.

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Comment #20 by InKtOiD
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 05:47:26 PM
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@18 You don't pay to play games. Unless of course you are looking at it from the prospective that you are paying to play multi-player games only.

You're paying for the ability to have all of those apps. The ones that are free and even the ones you have to pay for monthly. Advertising is a part of life and apparently you all need to find someway to deal with it.

As far as I'm concerned thinking the Xbox 360 is going to only be a gaming console is an ignorant thought. Were it not for Netflix, Hulu Plus, Crackle, Vevo, Zune, and I would probably spend very little time playing games. It is an entertainment console.

Want to hear the best part about all of the complaining going on? The Xbox 720, Xbox Edge, or Xbox NXT whichever it ends up being called. Is going to end up being even more of an "Entertainment" Console then this one. Are you all going to go with PS4? Too bad any of the edge Sony has now will be gone with the next generation. They'll even both have Blu-ray players. But maybe you'd be happier with a company that is going to drop PS3 support day one.

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Comment #21 by d00gler
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 06:22:04 PM
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It is the problem with the ENTIRE world outside of most of the middle east - MAXIMIZING PROFIT and MONEY GRUBBING is the #1 priority. MS is a company that looks to make money in every way possible. Advertisements on every available platform - tv, radio, gaming consoles, etc. are the easiest way to reach the broadest audiences.

At least we're not blasted with religious shit everytime we turn something on for entertainment.

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Comment #22 by Complete Disregard
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 06:30:34 PM
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If the new Dash is meant to mirror Windows 8 or the Windows Phone, then at least let us customize it! I want my 'home' to be everything I need. Really all I want is my disc currently in and my arcade games. A link to 'games I might like' would be nice, but ultimately I want to own every arcade and retail games out, so that would only be limitedly useful.
The ads are fine, just keep them in their place. I'm all for having the

Xbox as an entertainment hub, but put all the 'gaming' stuff in one place, so that the majority (NOT all) can have what they want on the first page loaded. Also, kudos for putting things like YouTube and 4oD up, but where is our internet, like Wii and PS3 have had since the dawn of time? (Please no comments about how it wasn't the dawn of time, or how Micro$oft 'blah blah blah)

Also, please put gaming downloads next to the home tab, or even include it within the same tab. I like how they have the downloads as they are, with 'downloadable', then the sub-sections, but couldn't they have a tiny tab on the homescreen followed by more tabs in an extra screen? Also, 'boo' to getting rid of Inside Xbox and other related video streams. I used to love watching them, and to be honest, didn't realize it was still available since the latest update as it's not right there anymore. I either play disc or go straight to my arcade games (whether quickplay for something like Trials, or RBing to my actual arcade games)


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Comment #23 by ferrara316
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 06:56:26 PM
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HBO Go....nuff said..

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Comment #24 by PrismSub7
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 07:44:07 PM
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Exactly, I can put ad-block on my browser and torrent television.
But redesigning the dashboard is out of my reach.

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Comment #25 by The Game 2k12
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 08:19:15 PM
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gee what kind of dash will we get this year

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Comment #26 by its delicious
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 10:25:07 PM
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I do not miss my Xbox Live Gold Subscription at all. And if ads will be jammed in my face, I'll simply disconnect my console from the Internet. It's nice to show off my achievements and all, but this author is making many great observations here. I remember a time when I could see the Xbox Themes I was using...

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Comment #27 by Chaosflare
Friday, May 04, 2012 @ 10:36:06 PM
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I guess I'm just one person who just hasn't been phased by any of these "poor decisions in horribly ruining what they've done".
While it's all just one large opinionated article, I have to unfortunately disagree with a good portion of this; I actually like the dashboard changes we've had (and what we've had with premium themes for one). And while the oncoming advertisements may seem problematic for some, I leave myself only asking "why?".
You're not using your Xbox as a computer; most players use it to view movies or play a specific game. The advertisements and other minor "blemishes" should just be ignored for the most part -- or is this generation all about complaining, trolling (or trololol-ing), and more complaining?


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Comment #28 by ScottlinDLR
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 12:15:01 AM
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Oh man, as much as I agree with the article. I have to say, I agree with #21.

As an atheist I definitely would prefer to see ads posted on the Xbox dashboard than religious right wing fundamentalists telling me that god is everything and he's the only entity to care about in my life. To which I respond by saying fuck you! quit telling me what I should believe in (I can rant on about that for hours).

But yeah after going back to my routes as a PC gamer. I have seen far less ads as a result of this switch back. Let's just face it, who will even respond to these ads anyway. The only time ads work for me is when a new food or drink product comes out. Especially when this product is gimmicky like Crystal Pepsi or Uh Oh Oreos. I will be tempted to try it out just because I have a natural curiosity when it comes to products like that. That and in game ads that change all the time that mix within the game's environment. The Best example I can think of is True Crime Streets Of New York when they show advertisements for various movies that had came out during the time I had played the game. I believe I first heard about Smokin Aces through that game and I have to say, the adverts worked. They added to the environment and feel to the game, and I watched the movie and it kicked ass.

But enough is enough. I think the general public is tired of seeing advertising. It's all around us even when we don't think about it. I believe that we need to speak out and take back what was once a great console.

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Comment #29 by The Dukenator
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 05:07:26 AM
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What's fucked up is many of the features are available elsewhere and don't need a gold subscription to use them.

I don't think I'm planning to get on gold again, except maybe for the exclusive deals, online multiplayer and such.

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Comment #30 by Krovash
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 05:14:32 AM
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Looking years back i though XCross media was an awfull dashboard on i think it's the best thing ever designed. No ads, carefully organized and i can find everything i want, while with the new dashboard i just turn the console ON and play the game. I'd like to spend as less time in this abomination as possible. This new dashboard is the reason why i stopped playing 360 as much as i did before...i like it with Sony now, they don't fix what's not broken.

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Comment #31 by xIAmAZombiex
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 06:15:29 AM
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Microsoft is constantly parading around it's services which we don't even fucking get in NZ, and I'm sure many other places. I bet it's a wonderful media experience that's worth the subscription fee if you live in the US.

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Comment #32 by TomatoJr.
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 06:32:47 AM
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so i guess next there will be ads before it lets me play a game?
I liked the blades, i eventually tolereated the NXE, this dash is shite.
i still own one of the old school white consoles that roars like a jet engine and makes watching video extremely inconvenient.
I never much cared for inside xbox, but sad for those who enjoyed it.

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Comment #33 by Grummy
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 07:46:47 AM
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I've heard this argument before, it was ridiculous then and its ridiculous now.

First of all, Microsoft made no bones about wanting the 360 to be a media hub, they were talking about that before the machine was released and they've never stopped talking about it, this isn't unexpected.

Second, yes the games tab is 4 tabs over, but you know what, it took me 30 seconds to understand how to navigate the new dashboard, then it took me about 1 second to move to games and hit A to enter 'my games'. One second, not 20 minutes of search, 1 second. Who on this planet can truly have good cause to bitch about taking 1 second to move a couple of tabs?

There is an argument that Microsoft are sidelining the games experience in favour of media, and that games being 4 tabs down is a symbol of this. Balls. First up, I'm not an idiot, I don't need my hand held, I understand the basic concept of how to start a game, open drive, put in disc, close drive, play AND I think you'll find, when you start up your 360, the window for the game that is currently in your drive is highlighted by default, meaning you just need to bash A and get started.
Also on this argument, consider that Microsoft change their dashboards regularly for different reasons. Recently they have signed a lot of new deals for the media side of things, so of course they are going to take a bit of time to showcase them. They've spent years with games as the focus, by now everyone should know how to find and play their games, and it doesn't take any real effort to learn to navigate the new dashboard. So this time, they want people to see and use all the new media they've signed up, it makes sense and is perfectly understandable. It's not that they're making games of secondary importance, they're just focussing on new media at the moment because they need to, plus, I expect they think everyone should understand the basic concept of how to play games. I don't expect it to stay this way, its just that at the moment, they've signed up a lot of new deals and they need it to pay off, once everybody is familiar with them and used to them being there, chances are another dashboard will come along that prioritizes games for those of you who struggle to move 4 tabs in one second and believe that having to do so means that microsoft is trying to destroy its games business and give every gamer a shoryuken to the nads.

Speaking of the ad's, today, on my home tab I have a total of 7 different ads, 4 are for game or gaming related, 2 are for different media players and one is a competition.. On the TV tab I have 3, one is Sky, one is for kinect games, one is xbox general. On video there are 8 different ads, mostly for vids and films (as you would expect it to be) plus one for kinect and one for inside xbox (which isn't even remotely difficult to find). On games, it is all games related, 7 different games ads. Music is all music and the apps is just about the apps (again, as you'd expect). 2 things to take from this. 1, yes there are a lot of ads. 2, games are not getting a bum deal as they still take up the lions share of space.

About the only news here that concerns me in any way is that they've signed up for the 15-30 second ad thing. Except it doesn't. It only runs within the videos, not affecting games. So I don't care, I have a BT vision box for my TV use.

Bottom line is, I only use my 360 for games and this new dashboard an all its changes have not had a single negative effect on me. I see nothing to complain about as this current dashboard is just a phase, they're currently focusing on the media side because they've spent years building the games to a point where people shouldn't need to have their hands held, so now they're working on the media and want to showcase it a little bit. Fine, good for them, they've signed deals and spent money to get all this working, of course they want people to know about it, and once they do, we'll get a new dashboard that focuses on something else. Or, of course, perhaps a whole new console where by the games and the tech will take immediate precedence.

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Comment #34 by Lyphen
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 08:01:13 AM
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I don't find that there's really any problem with the current dash. I like the promotions and content under every heading. I don't mind short ads when I'm watching 'free' videos (Crackle, for example). But, I do believe that with the cancellation of Inside Xbox videos, Microsoft simply isn't offering us ANYTHING that we can't get anywhere else for free.

Terrible weekly deals, online play plus a paygate for Netflix and my cable company's streaming isn't worth 60$ a year. Even though I dislike the Playstration Store's layout and PSN functionality, PSN+ as a subscription service really gives you a great value when you decide to jump in.

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Comment #35 by Ostrowski
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 08:57:23 AM
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I kept my mouth shut because I thought I was the only person who didnt like the new dashboard. Guess I was wrong, way wrong

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Comment #36 by Dropped
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 09:21:00 AM
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The advertising doesn't even bother me. It's not like it's a massive effort navigating past them. Tv forces you to watch ads, XBL does not. That is why you can't compare the two.

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Comment #37 by Launch
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 01:00:13 PM
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I've said it at each dashboard update and I'll say it again: why do they change what works just fine?

@20 Then why don't I have the option of not paying and not being able to receive these services?

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Comment #38 by JiveT
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 05:01:40 PM
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this article is at the very least misleading and at worst typical internet troll flamebait

MS is putting in more ads...or so we are told...but for services that already had ads anyway.

Services are being added all the time now through the entertainment apps for video and music yes some are going away but it's a trade off.

As for functionality I like the new My Games tab with the box art style screens for all my XBLA and installed games and having to press the RB button a few times to select it and then scroll through my collection is far from painful or confusing.

I have Kinect so I use Bing search a lot to find games or Netflix shows I have and that works perfectly in my experience. It's batting 1000 in terms of hearing and understanding what I am saying.

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Comment #39 by mjc0961
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 05:20:02 PM
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"It’s a shame, but then as some commenters pointed out - it’s not like you could find Inside Xbox on the dash anyway, because it was hidden under so much crap."

No it wasn't. It was always the top right corner of the video tab. Is it still there right now? Let me check. ... Yep, there it is. How can you call being immediately available once you go to the videos tab "hidden under so much crap"? Press RB three times after turning on your console and there's the Inside Xbox button.

Furthermore, I have to agree with #33. Yes, the games tab is a bit far away. Yes, they put other things like video and TV before the games tab, and that seems silly. But like #33 said, it takes only a second or two to press RB enough times to get over to it. This dashboard has been out for MONTHS now. Months. I would expect this kind of whining right after the dashboard launched, but whining about having to tap RB a few times this far after it came out? Get over it already. It takes one second to get to Games, maybe 2 if you're slow a pushing buttons.

Sure, none of the new designs are as good as the original blades, but you guys are starting to grossly exaggerate how hard it can be to find and navigate to some things on the new dashboard.

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Comment #40 by mjc0961
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 05:29:44 PM
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@34: PS+ gives you absolutely no value when you sign up. Some crappy discounts on games you didn't want anyway, giving you "free" games that aren't free (want to keep playing them? better keep paying for +), giving you a tiny amount of cloud storage space for saves (150MB? Thanks Sony, I can put two whole saves in there while the other 50 or so saves are still stuck on my hard drive), and turning the console on randomly to download updates for you. Gee, thanks Sony, I always wanted my console to randomly turn itself on in the middle of a storm or something so that the power can get cut during a firmware update and the console can be bricked.

PS+ is the biggest scam I've ever seen a game company pull, and sadly, Sony fanboys everywhere eat that shit up.

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Comment #41 by Hoebagger
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 07:03:45 PM
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It's true, it took me forever to find and download something that came out for RE:ORC. I had to wade through all kinds of shit and go through a billion sub menus eventually searching alphabetically for it, and then spending 10 minutes trying to find the download itself after selecting the damn game. Shit was ridiculous AND I was spending money on it :(

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Comment #42 by fantazja
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 07:59:37 PM
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don't forget, for those all those extra services that M$ wants you to use on their 'entertainment system', you have to pay extra for those, too.
Netflix isn't free for Gold members. HBO Go isn't free. Hulu Plus isn't free.

why use Facebook or Twitter, or other worthless social apps, on a 360, when they are done much better via phone/computer?

i say scrap them all. if i want to rent a movie, i'll order it online, or buy the blu-ray. if i want to watch a TV show, i'll watch the damn TV. if i wanted to see what my 2nd cousin twice removed thought about his sandwich he just ate, i'd check his twitter account via phone/laptop.

i bought a 360 to play games. i bought XBL to play those games online. i bought a TV to watch TV shows. i bought a blu-ray player to watch movies.

honestly, my biggest complaint is not the loss of Major's Minute (a show i never watched). my gripe is i want the option to block specific games from my DLC Add-Ons list. i'm sick and tired of checking each week to see 50+ Rock Band songs and 30+ Yoostar videos just to find content for *actual* games. why isn't Rock Band in it's own, seperate area like the Guitar Hero stuff?

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Comment #43 by blackout529
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 08:17:02 PM
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The advertisements really don't bother me. I've said this before: when they start putting advertisements during my games, then I'll be mad.

The dashboard sucks ass though. I wanna go back to one before the current one.

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Comment #44 by BBowles
Saturday, May 05, 2012 @ 09:33:35 PM
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I miss when I could scroll up/down to my friends list, instantly see ALL the friends I had online, and simply hit X to join whichever party I wanted. Instead I have to scroll through 3-4 screens JUST to join a damn party.

I don't mind adds or added features, but this is a Gaming Console, period. If you ruin my gaming experience, my biggest hobby, I'll dump your brand and move over to exclusively Sony.

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Comment #45 by crunchb3rry
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 12:50:37 AM
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Great to see somebody write an article like this. You forgot to add that since the last update the dash has slowed down like crazy. You have load times for everything. As if it's a browser and not a dash. Sure, all the ads load up lickety-split, but if you are checking your games list or your friends prepared to wait up to 30 seconds for it to load.

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Comment #46 by TrishTheDish
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 01:42:56 AM
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I cannot believe it took FORTY FIVE comments for someone to mention this. I could care less about the ads or the cancellation of some stupid self promotion show or indie games I'll never ever buy, SPEED UP THE DAMN DASHBOARD.

I timed it yesterday, it took 2m 17s to load up Avatar Editor. It takes, on average, 40+ seconds to even look at my achievements, it goes on like that for anything I want to do. The new dash is an absolute travesty.

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Comment #47 by CheshireMulisha
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 02:52:58 AM
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Yeah the speed issue is my major grievance as well. Even the quick launch isn't that quick.

If you're going to force the extra adds on us then improve the speed and service.

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Comment #48 by The Dukenator
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 08:43:58 AM
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@43 Agreed. I rather have the older dashboards.

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Comment #49 by grimfaerie
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 08:49:03 AM
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i've been a gold member for 3 yrs now, not as long as a lot of you. I've noticed a rapid decline of the gold service over the years.even the main blade where your disc start is has adverts on now. they'd probably put adverts before you booted a game up if they could. i dont understand why theres so little advertising on the dashboard for actual games now, especially indie or budget games. the cutting of inside xbox just shows they don't want this to be a games console anymore, they want it to be a glorified premium services digi box.

people can argue there's adverts on television that you pay for, this is true, but they're not there constantly are they? they flick up for 3 seconds and then they're gone. there isn't pages and pages of them, dedicated to justin biebers new movie which appeals to the average gamer about as much as a hole in the head.

i dont understand why im paying 60 dollars a year or whatever it is, for a bunch of adds. crap deals that repeat every month on stuff i've bought years ago. slow dashboard, really slow and the awful online experience. to recap im paying that much to get yelled at by people online for no reason and ads about lynx? i only have gold just to talk to my friends which really you should be able to do for free in the first place...

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Comment #50 by Q Dawg187
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 09:56:29 AM
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Everyone laughed at me when "Metro" originally hit and I hated it with many of the OP complaints.Cant find anything,have to go out of my way to play games,adverts everywhere,poor design and placement,poor labelling and tons of wasted space.

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Comment #51 by XAntietamX
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 10:31:36 AM
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Keep the change ya filthy animal.

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Comment #52 by AirPortugal
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 10:46:51 AM
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The only thing that bugs me about the latest 360 Dashboard is the fact that on the home tab, to press A to start up whatever disc you have in the disc tray is a small square at the top-right.

I loved being able to see that nice artwork for the cover of my game, big, on 360 it's a small square while the middle is random ads for different things on 360...I rather have my "Play Disc" square be a lot bigger but...obviously they keep the biggest spaces for ads. I feel like my 360 is a certain companies the "front page" as long as they pay enough.

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Comment #53 by jolliffe
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 11:05:09 AM
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In the UK on terrestrial tv we have to pay a licence for the BBC channels which are advert free and the ITV/Channel 4 and Channel 5 don't get a sniff of the licence where adverts pay for their service. Make XBL free and I'll happily sit through the crappy ads or even halve the price... Why should we get a lesser quality service for the same price after so many years loyalty.

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Comment #54 by minignaz
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 11:18:39 AM
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The adverts don't really bother me too much, I would prefer the ability to move the tabs around, or if the order was: Bing Games Home then the media ones with the home obviously selected first, would even it out a bit I think and bring it closer to the blades.

Although in not stupid I do find it a bit tricky to find some of the things I've downloaded, fun labs for instance, can never find it, perhaps that could be a tab next?

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Comment #55 by eiVaL
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 12:04:58 PM
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this version of the dashboard has the default set to PLAY GAME

the one we had for 2+ years with the NXE always put you on the "whats new" tab and you had to press UP on the d-pad or analog stick to reach the tab that allows you to start playing your game...

so stop bitching, i can careless about any advertizements, it doesnt stop me from pressing the A button to play my game.

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Comment #56 by Arduous Wolf
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 02:00:47 PM
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It's interesting that the whole Mass Effect ending controversy got people that supported the retake movement the label of "entitled gamers" yet this article which could also be described as entitled and whiny does not attract the same name-calling response. After all who are we to tell Microsoft to change their artist vision for their own service? That's right we are the consumers, the people that make services and games a profitable business and so our views deserve to be listened to and acted upon if the companies wish to keep receiving our money. If those companies do not listen then we take action by withdrawing our cash and support from the company. That is not being entitled at all, that is being a responsible and savvy consumer.

While I do not like the new dashboard much I've never felt the need to officially complain about it. If however they do start adding adverts to videos then Microsoft is going too far. I would expect it for the silver service but it is unacceptable for the premium gold service which we pay for.

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Comment #57 by TheGreyMan
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 05:41:30 PM
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All this only applies to the main interface. At any time you can hit the big X button on your controller and hey presto the familiar Xbox Guide or miniature Blades interface with all the old quick access shortcuts everyone wants back…

Er, they're still there guys. Just hit the button :-)

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Comment #58 by pined5551
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 06:11:39 PM
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@ 33 Well argued points. And you kind of changed my mind about it all.

@ 45 You have a problem I do not experience. I have never waited more that 2 seconds to load my achievements or anything like that. Nor have any of my friends consoles.

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Comment #59 by A 7thProduction
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 07:09:40 PM
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#33 got it perfectly. Saved me a lot of time too as I was pretty much about to write something similar. ^^
The new dashboard great. I've played on an Xbox recently which still has the blades dashboard and it is awful, takes longer to get where you want, takes longer to find what you want and just looks damn right ugly. I used to love that dashboard and until I got another go on it i missed it. Not any more.

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Comment #60 by Krisko Disko
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 09:40:12 PM
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Fairly certain that Inside Xbox was meant to be replaced completely with the IGN app.

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Comment #61 by rsxdelerium
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 09:45:12 PM
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Stop using all the shit they put on there and just play your games like it should be

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Comment #62 by crunchb3rry
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 11:17:30 PM
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Yeah, they already had a contract with IGN, mainly Chobot's vids, which were okay because it was just fun stuff, not editorials. Seems like they just prefer to have it handled by the app. But at the same time it creates a journalistic problem for IGN. I know their site had subsites with separate areas (like Cassamassina jizzing in his pants over anything with Mario in it) but it does naturally create a scenario where IGN could be seen as being pro-Microsoft. I'm sure they'll get nitpicked over everything they publish, such as anytime a review states that "the 360 version performs better.", etc.

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Comment #63 by Corrupt.
Sunday, May 06, 2012 @ 11:49:50 PM
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Couldn't give a fuck. I use my Xbox to play games, I don't spend time on the dashboard...

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Comment #64 by sleepydumbdude
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 12:06:58 AM
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I won't cancel my live over it but I will keep it in mind when the next gen systems come out. I could care less about an all in one media center. My tv has video apps built into it and I'm betting in a couple years it will be common for most to have a tv with them and my bluray player and dvr from my cable company has apps built into it also.
The only app I use on my xbox is HBO Go and that is because its coming soon to my tv. The other one takes to long to go through the menus or load for. My TV I can customize where icons are so it takes three clicks and about 8 seconds for what xbox takes over 30 and that is if it loads quick.

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Comment #65 by Gonzogasm
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 02:31:24 AM
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Everywhere you look now there are ads. Really started to get pissed off when you would look at comments on a friends Facebook photo and they put ads after every 10 comments. A little much...

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Comment #66 by crunchb3rry
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 03:32:05 AM
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@58, it's been that way for me from the moment I installed it. My HDD is pretty full, maybe that's a factor. But the thing is my profile is also pretty big. Over 30MB, and I can't understand why it keeps growing. What exactly is being stored that it would consume that much space?

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Comment #67 by shaolinmonk06
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 04:04:43 AM
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well,i think that since we see so many ads anyways, and they are adding more ads. Then why in the hell are we still paying for a gold subscription? the only app i use on xbox is netflix, and it's kind of a pain in the ass to get to. why not just put it in the front? plus the ads they show are usually from games that are yrs old. dont make me tell you how many times i've seen gears1 and 2 ads!!!

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Comment #68 by Perax
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 05:28:41 AM
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Most of us customers said that This last dashboard and its design were terrible, since day 1. Since then, things are getting worse!

I didn't expect SO MANY ads to be honest and i don't think microsoft will care about customers about ads removing since how many of us will stop buying -monthly- subscriptions and/or stop playing because there are waaay too many ads and/or this dashboard is everything but a gaming console dashboard?

I think they thought about it: massive ads pay raise will get them much more income, even if, slightly possibly, some customers will stop using xbox because of that.

They will still get more money doing this way and that's what (i think) they care about much more

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Comment #69 by kdaugh1
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 05:56:47 AM
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Well this sucks. I have been a very loyal microsoft customer but this is very disappointing. I guess all I can say is that I hope other console developers are paying attention. Instead of an instant purchase when the next set of consoles come out I will have to research and see if they put gamers or advertisers first.

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Comment #70 by toonsim2
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 07:39:11 AM
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Lets face it, micro$oft just dose not care about gamers anymore. :(

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Comment #71 by pined5551
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 08:30:11 AM
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@66 Do you have a lot of Avatar items and things like that? I don't really know what it could be. My hardrive has about 60GB on it from game installs etc. Dunno how that compares with you though.

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Comment #72 by brettoblaster
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 10:44:27 AM
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I can deal with the fact that the featured videos are a little more concealed. I can with the the fact that the Xbox is not just for gaming anymore and that other non-gaming apps are prominent on the dashboard. However, I am not okay with, and it is NOT okay, to bombard us with commercials and advertisements before we watch a video, or having a non-game related ad displayed on MY dashboard. I have noticed this trend increasing in the past couple of years and I avidly oppose it. If I want to watch a video on YouTube but have to sit through a commercial beforehand, I will simply not watch the video. This is inexcusable. Not only are there pop-ups and ads on the sidebar, but I will refuse to watch commercials on MY computer on MY personal time. This has gone too far and more people need to be pissed off about this. Pick one! I will X click that shit off my video as fast as possible. I understand that free services require advertisement, but enough is enough. They need to take it down a notch because it is now interfering with my recreation. And at the same time, it's bad advertising and a pain in the ass. GIVE IT A REST!

As for my 360 dashboard, if I'm paying 60 bucks a year (which is already too much of an increase), I'm paying NOT to see these eyesores. My experience should be fully customizable. I should be able to see what I want to see. No one speaks for me and I don't like unwanted content being shoved in my face. Advertisements for Schick razors or garbage McDonalds (which is a completely separate evil entity to begin with) have NOTHING to do with my gaming experience. We are paying more for less. This is what Netflix is doing. More money for a smaller selection. Which brilliant money-grubbing fatcat had the idea to cancel Inside Xbox?

Again, I can't stress this enough: GET PISSED. Because we are getting more and more screwed as time goes by and we shouldn't have to take it. You'd think by now that these corporations would have learned a lesson or two over the past couple years. Occupy Xbox!

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Comment #73 by jules the great
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 11:43:50 AM
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Still better than the ps3 xmb! Lol

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Comment #74 by SmarmySmurf
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 12:57:34 PM
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I have no problems with the design or functionality of the dash, it looks great. "Gamers" seem to do more complaining than gaming these days.

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Comment #75 by Tufty
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 03:02:57 PM
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The blades were slow as fuck, I love what we have now.

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Comment #76 by cdawgoku
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 04:11:02 PM
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I must be 1 in a million because I just...don't pay attention to the ads? I'm not forced to watch them, there for I don't. Pressing a button twice to rotate from home to games doesn't turn me postal or want to rant about it b/c it's not that big of a deal at the end of the day. I don't play a ton of arcade games(mainly b/c i'm working off the old 20GB), so I'm not really concerned w/ that.

The only thing that irritates me is it is changed too often(actually IDK how often, but Once is a enough).

The only real part I can agree with this is the very last part about the price increase that we thought would go into things like Major's minute ETC. And even that isn't a big deal to me b/c I watched it 3 times a year.

In the end, the new dash and pretty much everything the article had to say, isn't a big deal. I'm human, I adapt to change, I don't whine about it on a blog.

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Comment #77 by madcap1
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 06:31:08 PM
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I guess adds for Toshiba Laptops and endless shoes and hangbags are not the same? Point is you guys do it for revenue and we all understand that but what is the difference? I know we pay for gold membership and this site is free to use but we still have adds. At the end of the day its all about $money$ For me I can care less about the adds, its all about playing video games, adds or not that will never change for me.

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Comment #78 by crunchb3rry
Monday, May 07, 2012 @ 08:06:31 PM
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@71, no, not a lot of avatar items. My HDD is pretty full, but that's just game content. Shouldn't effect normal dash operation. My internet is pretty fast too, so it's nothing like that.

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Comment #79 by Seanakin66
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 03:51:49 AM
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The funny thing is in all I've seen on this "more ads being thrown at Gold members" talk is that I've yet to see mention of the recent MSFT quarterly report, which was said to report the Xbox division's revenues were down 16% year-over-year and console sales down 48% on the same basis.

(URL for the article cited:,2817,2403294,00.asp)

Put all that together and it's no surprise that they're doing things like whoring out to advertisers or phasing out Inside Xbox. I'd complain but personally, I felt that whole lineup of shows was little more than people shilling for the corporate masters. Ergo I say, good goddamn riddance.

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Comment #80 by InsaneKane87
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 07:40:11 AM
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If theres one thing I want from the next console is that it remains a gaming console and nothing more, if I wanna watch youtube ill go on my computer.

What @77 said, it really doesn't change anything for me as well but it would be nice to be able to go on without having tons of adds. Is this a gaming console or a entertainment console ?

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Comment #81 by IVIR BLOBBY
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 09:32:15 AM
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Its the old stakeholders (everyone who uses xbox in any form) vs shareholders(people who own shares of ms) thing really

They're a business and they don't care for us, they care for us as a way of maximizing profits and that is it, so don't be surprised when they do this, if they think they can get away with making more money they will do it & Kudos to them, its why there at the top and doing so goddam well.

We need to focus our attentions on one specific thing if we want anything done, were never going to get rid of the ads, stop bringing that up, instead focus on customizing the dash or re-arranging tabs or some kind of community involvement on what we want to some extent i.e. inside xbox

we are consumers that are bitching, we're not going to cease using Microsoft goods so complaining & moaning is futile, what we all need to do is focus our attentions and organize as a community and berate them on a few specific issues, if its not much hassle & its cost effective they will do it to appease us & to buy good will :)

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Comment #82 by MikeinSC
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 11:27:33 AM
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My profile is 120Mb, so I assume my absurd slowness is partially due to that. But is has been really slow for a long time. I don't care abut ads...I want speed.

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Comment #83 by wbs 101
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 02:40:31 PM
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I haven't watched hardly any of the video game videos or shows since the update because I can't find them. I agree with coffeeaddict I have always thought that the dashboard should be fully customizable as well as the guide button menu.

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Comment #84 by MartyMcFly
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 02:59:50 PM
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Everyone says "If I want to use an app, I'll go on my computer." Actually, you're probably more likely to use it on your smartphone, tablet, or even now phablets.

Game consoles, such as the next Xbox, WILL BE entertainment hubs in which you do all those things on it.

Computers are going to become nothing more than word processors, pc gaming stations, and pornography hubs (as far as personal use goes; business uses will always exist for computers of course).

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Comment #85 by DORGINATOR
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 04:03:16 PM
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This is why we have hackers. The JTAG interface is BEAUTIFUL.

Even if you still want to support developers by purchasing games, that's fine. You can install that disc fully onto your hard drive, and see it in your list of games, no ads, no mess, better load times, no bullshit.

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Comment #86 by Karashion Judas-Ka
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 05:18:09 PM
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@46 to be fair it takes me around a minute to a minute twenty seconds to load up my achievement list, I always blamed it on the amount of achievements I have an all but ya the dash is slugesh as all hades but I doubt that will ever improve really.

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Comment #87 by HellspawnRei
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 06:39:21 PM
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Signed the petition.
And hoping for the best.

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Comment #88 by 1 up
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 07:42:42 PM
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#5: more of your money

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Comment #89 by Dead Giveaway
Tuesday, May 08, 2012 @ 10:58:44 PM
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QUICKPLAY does in fact have your WHOLE game Library.
I'm surprised no one called him out on this.
Does anyone actually read these comments?
This site needs a new comment layout.

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Comment #90 by ShaDoWL1nK
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 12:11:00 AM
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@4 Capn Doug YES!! I was wondering about that to. Why do we have to keep re-dloadin the freaking Kinect Fun Labs in order to play it?!?! So stupid! I personally luved the very 1st dashboard, the blades. It was simple, well put together and not at all confusing to use. I hate using this new dash cause for one, It's set up for the Kinect. I'm not a kinect playing kind-of-guy. I have a Kinect(It came with the bundle) but I won't use it. My first console was a Nintendo back in the day. That's how I roll, holding a controller in my hands, NOT waving my hands all over the place like a crazy madman. Anyways, just my opinion but maybe M$ should offer ad-free Gold membership? that would be nice. I wouldn't mind the ads, IF they wouldn't keep freezing up my dashboard!!

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Comment #91 by crunchb3rry
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 01:30:03 AM
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"I'd complain but personally, I felt that whole lineup of shows was little more than people shilling for the corporate masters. Ergo I say, good goddamn riddance."

True. Major Nelson was the biggest whore of them all. The guy is supposedly some important figure at Microsoft, but had this shit-scared way of dealing with fans/consumers. Like Bill Gates was behind him with a fireman's axe, shaking his head and saying "Careful what you say...even on your personal blog." They guy was a master question dodger. Always picking the "safe" questions to answer. He'd fit right in as an EA tech support forum mod.

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Comment #92 by Big Coote 666
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 06:13:38 AM
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We should all just return to the blades layout, was by far the best and had none of this advertising bull sh*t! Also here we pay a TV license so there's no adds on the BBC, one would have thought the same applied to XBL!!

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Comment #93 by Caramel Cardinal
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 10:09:43 AM
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i would save inside xbox but a majority of the shows are crap
i mean take sent you a msg, they've never once answered a msg which i didn't already know the answer to, it's just a bunch of clips from trailers for games, if they truley wanted to answer it they'd answerl like 50 questions a show quickly and concisley

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Comment #94 by Spitz_pass_auf
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 10:17:29 AM
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You can update the article Inside Xbox Europe is shutting down too. And the people lost their jobs. :(

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Comment #95 by THC BLUNTED
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 10:53:40 AM
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Its too bad we dont have a choice the matter. It would be great if we could select which dashboard we wanted or at least be able to arrange the current dashboard to our gaming needs.

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Comment #96 by The Dukenator
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 11:06:24 AM
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@94 I've been trying to share this article on twitter.

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Comment #97 by BlobOfSalad
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 11:19:50 AM
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Keep in mind that the reason we have this Metro style interface (on Xbox as well as windows phones and the upcoming Windows 8) is because of Mirosoft's move towards touch-based interfaces. The Metro dashboard makes it much easier to select content using Kinect than any menu-based system, and expect further dashboard designs to continue this trend.

Granted, they could have organized things a bit better, but it is no doubt difficult when the maximum number of comfortably sized gesture-based menu icons that fit on the screen is about 5-10

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Comment #98 by IVIR BLOBBY
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 12:13:38 PM
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I'm sick of talk on this matter, get signing a petition, make your voice heard or just stop complaining, your words are meaningless, David would have never talked Goliath to death, he struck one stone at a vital area & that's what we need to do, we need to band together as a community and strike in one place & hopefully we'll get our voices heard

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Comment #99 by tincann
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 12:26:35 PM
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The Day they start putting ads on Netflix before you can watch anything is the day I stop using it on the 360. It's bad enough that you have to be gold to use something you already pay for, but that would be the last straw. I'll use my TV, Computer, or PS3 to watch it & noe of them make you have to pay for something else to use it.

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Comment #100 by The Dukenator
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 12:29:18 PM
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This should still work:

I'm sticking with PS3 for netflix and other things, but only use the 360 for gaming.

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Comment #101 by L4D II JoK3r
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 01:00:14 PM
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The fact that there are 3 more tabs before games is really showing the decline.

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Comment #102 by WIMBLE802
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 01:26:15 PM
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BAD M$!!!!

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Comment #103 by scikoolaid
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 04:50:21 PM
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@81, you are pretty much right.

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Comment #104 by yamayamayaamaa
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 09:32:42 PM
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This is the saddest article in x360a history. It just gets worse and worse... Telling people to cancel their XBL subs, really?... Then sign a petition for something no one cares about?... Too funny.

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Comment #105 by Fried Cola
Wednesday, May 09, 2012 @ 10:52:47 PM
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"More Ads, Less Services and Poor Functionality" that quote sounds more like the decline of western civilization at the moment than xbox live.

I don't get how so many people are poo-pooing the ad garbage saying it isn't a big deal. MS jacked up the price on XBL subscriptions to add stupid pointless features and they figured they could make more money selling ad space on the 360's dashboard. They're passing absolutely no benefit on to owners, and they're obviously not reinvesting this money into XBL considering how they're cutting features and not fixing the marketplace that has been screwed up for months.

I doubt MS' advertising model is the same as the internet's. Even if you block the ads on your 360, someone paid to advertise WoW and MS already made their cash.

any way you cut it, its MS making itself look bad again. Greedy and lazy.

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Comment #106 by cuizhaoek
Thursday, May 10, 2012 @ 07:25:54 AM
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Comment #107 by MastrMeatWad
Thursday, May 10, 2012 @ 09:56:41 AM
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I challenge people to focus on not that advertisments exhist on the dash, and more unappealing some apps, but focus on the money generated on THOSE advertisments and the LACK OF FOCUS ON EXCLUSIVES. I own all the consoles only for each consoles exclusives. New IP's and exclusives cost significant $'s. What does advertising and gold fees provide MS-xbox division? $'s. Use those dollars for exclusive content, period. Not for more applications that will include advertisments that 'should' cover the cost of said application, but new games!

I find it kind of funny how people complain about advertisments on the dash INSTEAD OF THE LACK OF EXCLUSIVES. I do not even notice the advertisments personally. I know the dash, the tabs, and how to find what I want quickly. I put a disc in the tray and play the game. I hit the guide button to find "my games" for arcade. I go to apps and marketplace for, guess what my apps and purchase content. At no point do I sit and stare at the screen waiting for the advertisments to play in the corner. The complaint about advertisments is a tad exhausting if the only complaint is that they exist. It is WHAT they do with the money generated. We should see some return, and I personally feel we have not.

I don't want a 'timed exclusive'. Don't drop millions on dlc that xbox will have an entire 30 days before the ps3! Drop millions in developers for new games.

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Comment #108 by Oversig
Thursday, May 10, 2012 @ 07:00:32 PM
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Very well done Lee Bradley ;)

My friends & I where just saying yesterday we liked the old dashboard better.
I only watch programs I've copied on our DVR so I can fast forward the endless freaking commercials on TV because it's gotten so bad!!!
I get on xbox to get away from the BS on TV & have fun with my friends & games. Not to see more of the crap I just turned the TV off for ;)
Microsoft don't Xbox live another MTV!!!

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Comment #109 by piropeople13
Thursday, May 10, 2012 @ 09:50:44 PM
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Good article. I am sick of all these out of touch articles assuming that if Microsoft says its an improv,ent it means it is and everybody is ok with this. I had the new dashboards. So fucking slow, especially in the controller Xbox guide.

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Comment #110 by Ostrowski
Friday, May 11, 2012 @ 07:25:45 AM
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After all this I still prefer LIVE over PSN

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Comment #111 by adz5000
Friday, May 11, 2012 @ 08:53:45 AM
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I have always enjoyed being able to tell all the PS3 gamers that we have the superior online service, but it has been going down hill.

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Comment #112 by Magicman10893
Friday, May 11, 2012 @ 03:18:31 PM
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It still chaps my ass that we are paying $60 a year now for a service that used to be $50 because they added tons of stupid media apps that I never use. I don't care how much they try to push the whole "it's not a game system, it's an entertainment center," thing on me. I use my Xbox for games. I buy Xbox Live to play games online with my friends. I use a DVD player or a Cable Box to watch movies. I already have Comcast Digital Cable, On Demand and several computers with those same FREE services to watch movies. I have my laptop and iPod to listen to music, I don't need a Last FM app or Zune app for any of that crap.

Despite all that I am forced to spend $10 a year more for a service that literally hasn't changed at all to me. Why can't they just let you play online with a Silver account and make Gold be the one with Netflix and all the other media apps? Or at least have a Gold subscription for just online play and Xbox Live Party functionality for $30-$40 a year and then have all the media apps thrown in on a Platinum Subscription or something?

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Comment #113 by LORD LEGOMAN
Friday, May 11, 2012 @ 05:21:07 PM
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i no longer pay for a gold service, i wait until i get a message saying gold for 1 month for £1 then cram as much online into the month as possible, usually it only takes a week or so of silver before i get another offer. so i get about 9-10 month of live for about £9-10. also my old hard drive has the old dash board stored to it, so i use that with my machine for when im not online. both ps3 and wii are free, so even i dont know why i pay for gold on xbox, being in my mid 30's ive seen gaming from its birth and im getting to the point now where im gonna ask the bus driver to pull over and let me off the bus, and just do what other "grown ups" do. i never had the origional xbox, and from the writings i read for whats in store for the next gen machines then im not interested and pity the youth for what they'll have to go through just to play games.

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Comment #114 by roggor123
Friday, May 11, 2012 @ 06:10:35 PM
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Am I the only one that actually likes all of their new stuff??

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Friday, May 11, 2012 @ 09:05:03 PM
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Everyone is complaining about ads...Honestly, I haven't even noticed them. Wanna know why? It's just what everyone seems to be saying; I use my 360 to play games. I put in the game then hit the "Play [insert name here]" button and that's that. Only time I browse the other menus is to download DLC's. So, I don't really see what the big deal is. The new interface is nice. Does it have ads, I suppose so. But from what I remember about "Blades" it also had a few ads.

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Comment #116 by TSG Dwaggie
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 12:25:13 AM
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I seem to remember being the person who screenshotted this new dash during the beta for it, and you guys all saying, "It's just the beta, they won't have that many ads on release of it."

I told you so.

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Comment #117 by sera07
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 01:12:05 AM
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Seriously MS focus on the ads is the biggest problem, who want to play game but show as many ads since u already pay gold?

Sure they know how to entertain "family" instead "gamer"

And price up? already know n now only looking to the discount one =.=

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Comment #118 by Kyoujin
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 02:02:25 AM
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I just don't get why MS is doing this. Seriously, they make a lot of money, don't they? From how much they charge for subscriptions, the increase in price for pretty much all Xbox Live Arcade titles and so on, so forth..

I really have never liked the PS3, but.. I'm starting to become iffy about Microsoft. I mean really, what's next? Are we going to have to pay monthly fees to be able to play every game we own on top of purchasing them for 60 dollars? Seriously though, stop being so damn greedy Microsoft, you're going to lose a lot of customers. Hell, I don't even buy Arcade games NEARLY as much as I used to because of the price increase..

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Comment #119 by Nitnoid
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 05:20:20 AM
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Well, since I've mostly been playing single player games, XBL is getting the axe in my househould. If I need to play online, I'll buy a 1 month card. That'll be MY way of petitioning...

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Comment #120 by ItalianStu08
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 11:03:11 AM
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What we are experiencing is the growing panes of a console and corporation that is trying to revolutionize the traditional gaming console to make it more holistic to include all aspects of digital entertainment because the old ways are dead or dying. If Microsoft only provided gaming they would eventually go belly up and then no one would win. Eventually, Microsoft will find the sweet spot that will satisfy both the hardcore gamer and casual gamer. Look at it this way: the annoying changes that Microsoft is making to the Xbox now will make it possible for you to continue to play your video games in the future. (disclaimer: I'm a hardcore gamer who is also annoyed/frustrated)

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Comment #121 by Gallzy111
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 11:23:08 AM
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Jesssssus stop moaning about it. Don't be so lazy, so what you need to click what 5 buttons to get to an arcade game, it's not the end of the World. You need to understand that there are a LOT of people who love the additions of BBCiPlayer, 4OD, Youtube and so on ... like me. I love gaming and yes, it is a gaming console ( blah blah blah ) BUT now FAMILIES can use it not just one person. I love the idea of bringing in all of these things, I go to Uni and this helps me a lot. Being able to watch TV on the xbox is amazing INCLUDING SKY which is just incredible. I can't bring a DVD player up with me, I'm 300 miles away. It's convenient.
Yes a lot has changed in years, this shows PROGRESS. Xbox are looking out for all customers I believe. So stop winging about all these adds and get on with LIFE, after all it is more important ... A girlfriend or my xbox hmmm I wonder. Pay more attention to the better things in life, like enjoying this stuff with them, or going out more and enjoying time with them ... freaks

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Comment #122 by MoldyClay87
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 01:27:55 PM
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I think the part that bothers me the most is that we *pay* for the service. Giving us ads defeats the whole purpose. And some of the "premium" stuff includes things you can view on the computer for free anyway, so there's no reason for the price increase. If anything, the price for Live should have DECREASED with all of the advertising and so on.

It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that in order to run apps that require a paid subscription, you must pay another subscription as well. Or to pay to use Youtube on the TV? Or to justify the price hike with "Oh, we give you Twitter and Facebook". What if you're not even using most of these features?

@#122 - Sounds like you're just saying to accept being abused for money in order to enjoy things that are free elsewhere or already require a subscription fee.

There are more important things in life than XBox Live, but if you're going to basically sit back and say "Stop complaining, let them screw you", then you're part of the problem.

Microsoft can shove ads down our throats all they want, but most of us bought a video game console for video games. That should be the priority. And the point of ads are to keep things free. So if we're getting *more* ads, then what are we paying for?

And why is Microsoft the only one who charges to play online?

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Comment #123 by Mc1ovin11
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 04:14:25 PM
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I agree we should be keeping videos like Inside Xbox,IGN strategize etc. but i really dont mind the new dashboard now i'm used to it.
My main concern is that MS keep the Xbox 360's main function as a Gaming Console.Tag on apps and Ads but just remember all us people who have poured cash and hours of hour lives into the console for one reason-THE GAMES!!

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Comment #124 by Mc1ovin11
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 04:16:49 PM
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ooops sorry....hours of our lives!

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Comment #125 by Carlo Monte
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 06:23:12 PM
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I liked most of these shows. Fun little diversion. I could do without SUAM/NEXUS. Those two were not funny at all.

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Comment #126 by Hoborg
Saturday, May 12, 2012 @ 09:59:25 PM
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Hey #28, you're a moron. God is real and you look like a fucking idiot ranting about atheism. Can't prove a negative son. Logically impossible.

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Comment #127 by Phoenix BLK
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 12:04:47 AM
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Yes this is awesome, about time someone addressed the situation. The blades were my favourite but i had to adjust to the many dashboard updates because.. well, i had no choice! The other problem is that they charge money for "THEMES" and then just change the dashboard so that they no longer work, WTF? You sell gamers something and then take it away, that's basically stealing everyones money! I have tried so many times to find the xbox videos since the new update and i couldn't find them. All that was in the videos section were foxtel and tv apps or movies to buy/rent. NO GAME VIDEOS AT ALL! Good bye Jessica Chobot haha. I mainly use my xbox for games and game-related content and my tv and computer for other purposes but it sounds like Microsoft is trying to use my xbox to take over my computer and tv, whilst forcing me to use my computer for gaming needs.. Makes no sense at all. I get the whole need to evolve and expand, i also get the importance of money but why take away the gaming aspect of a gaming console? I also figured that there would be alot more avatar games by now. That's my rant, enjoy

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Comment #128 by thorneweaver
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 02:46:58 AM
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Have had to google to find stuff more than once totally agree gotten way to complicated

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Comment #129 by Berad Jenkins
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 05:20:39 AM
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Good thing I also own a PS3 if this ever gets too bad.

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Comment #130 by samjustsam
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 07:04:01 AM
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why am i not surprised? micro$oft is all about the greed. ive been saying that for years now. i noticed the inside xbox videos are gone and i have been getting so sick of the adds and aps. this makes me so fucking mad. all about the money. they dont give a shit about us. i wish i had never played dead rising on my friends 360. thats what made me get an xbox in the first place. i have already noticed that alot of my friends arent online as much now either. i guess they are sick of all the bullshit as well. when will microsoft ever fucking learn? the people that made you can take you down. you are going to regret your greedy actions. as far as this site goes...allowing these people to troll comment may be the downfall of your site. i havent logged in to this site in a long time. its because of all the idiotic assholes that leave stupid comments and thumbs down any comment that is of a different opinion then their own. you trolls make me sick! stop allowing people to comment on your site before it goes to the dogs like xbox live will. if someone disagrees with you....too bad! deal with it and move on! i know this comment will get thumbed down and burried but i could give a rats ass. im fucking angry! so to all you assholes that are going to thumb me down for whatever stupid reason you come up with i have this to say to you. do the world a favor and kindly go jump of a fucking bridge. im right and i can prove it with fact and you are wrong. get an attitude adjustment and leave me the hell alone! worry about yourselves and not me.

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Comment #131 by FLAMINGOxSHAKES
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 09:07:07 AM
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there just riding it out till the xbox 720 comes out, and the menu isn't even that bad it just takes a couple more seconds to scroll around. we are gamers....a couple of more seconds isn't gonna kill us.

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Comment #132 by TarantularRECS
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 09:10:39 AM
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Looks like we need to call the Whambulance.

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Comment #133 by Kainwaco
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 09:59:05 AM
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It seems like a lot of people are missing the point. The whole point of a gaming console is just that. GAMING. Everybody needs to be on top of the competition these days. I miss the original dashboard. The Xbox has always been the "Hardcore" gamers console. That seems to not be true anymore. It saddens me that things are not like they were back in the days of the NES. It played video games. Nothing more and nothing less. And nobody wanted more out of it. It was a perfect system. I don't know why your Xbox needs to do everything else.

As far as advertisements go, fine, but only because you don't usually have to watch them. But if they want to advertise make it only about new games coming out. Or games that recently have come out. I didn't buy this system to see commercials that I could see on TV. That's why I don't usually watch TV.

I do wonder how Microsoft will take all the negative feedback about this new dash. It would be nice for them to realize that the people that made the Xbox what it is today are the people that want it to change.

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Comment #134 by Connnnor93
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 11:32:52 AM
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You don't have to scroll all the way across tabs to get to a game.
you just hit quickplay on home or via the guide button.

I think the expanding on the xbox over the years has been great.
You have your primary use for most of us which is games then we have great things to use such as netflix, sky, lovefilm and all that.

& who cares about waiting a lifelong 15-30 seconds to watch something.
At the end of the day them ads just add to MS's funding to further improve services for us.

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Comment #135 by LH Cerberus
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 11:34:08 AM
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Since the last dashboard update I start my games directly. Skipping the dashborad, its just totally crap.

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Comment #136 by ur dooty
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 12:15:32 PM
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so with all the money they are making off the advertising does this mean xbox live will now be free?? haha nevermind it is M$ afterall

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Comment #137 by Stargate Fanz
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 03:27:56 PM
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With this new dashboard you can't even see the themes i have on anymore meaning the money i spent on nice looking ones was now wasted! Thanks microsoft

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Comment #138 by XToastySniperX
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 04:37:23 PM
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I have no problem with all the new advertisements and stuff like that. In my opinion, three seconds to navigate over a couple of tabs doesn't really effect me, and isn't enough to convince me of this decline.

However, I do think it is bullshit that all this revenue from the ads doesn't go toward more exclusives. It makes sense that they signed deals, whic they need to honor by advertising those said companies.

Movies tab has movie ads, games tab has gaming related ads, and so on. At least there is some sort of common sense here. What I believe they should do though, is allow the dashboard to be customizable. Don't like all the movie ads and other bullshit like myself? Allow us to block those tabs entirely.

Tired of having to scroll through piles of bullshit to get to the games tab or whatever you people are complaining about? Let us make the games tab come up first whenever we launch the console. Lastly, use a good portion of the money generated from all these ads, and put it to good use.

For example, if all that money made from the ads was put towards amazing exclusive games, not only would that help Microsoft in more ways than one (the 360 already lacks good exclusives), yet it would make us gamers happy too.

Also, for fuck sakes, let us see our damn theme please.

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Comment #139 by Atariboy
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 06:12:41 PM
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Been a Xbox 360 owner since Black Friday in November of 2006. Don't think I've watched Inside Xbox a single time over these past 5 and a half years. Not exactly the situation I'd choose to take a stand on. Far more disturbing are the other things discussed in this article. Unintuitive dashboard design, the massive amount of advertisements even for paid subscribers, etc.

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Comment #140 by Im Your Villain
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 07:06:01 PM
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They should just leave the dashboard alone, I get they want more functionality with it, its great they implemented netflix, facebook and youtube but seriously how many of us are paying to have verizon fios or comcast on our xbox we were all already paying for that just to watch television, why would I want to add this service through my xbox.

Next last year when they hiked gold to 60 dollars I was fine with that as well until this new update came out and saw all the advertisements, now I have read some of the comments on here about there are ads in magazines and on television and that is totally different because alot of those ads for example pay for the shows I watch. Where as xbox live gold shouldnt force me to watch ads I pay for a service, if I bumped my subscription down to silver then I wouldnt have a problem with it.

The writer of the article was very insightful and brought to my attention things I never really thought about for example, all the crap like the bing search engine, I have never used it on XBL, secondly how many of these apps that they have implemented offer the same thing for example netflix, crackle, vudu?

Its like when they developed this dashboard they thought everyone had a kinect, because for the kinect its more user friendly then using the controller. So thats my rant on the subject.

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Comment #141 by ademlakey
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 07:32:12 PM
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Everything is buried in complete crap. Get rid of the damn beacons, I dont care if some other guy has started playing the same game as me, nor do I care if they want friends to play with them either. The amount of times that crappy beacon has blocked my view when text comes up is ridiculous.

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Comment #142 by mosin360
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 08:15:16 PM
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Its been more then a 'gaming console' for years now. But as always, if it hadn't change much over the years, there would be the same people QQ that nothing has changed. Bunch of spoiled people these days.

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Comment #143 by FFFreak1129
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 11:13:28 PM
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Its rare that I look around the dashboard now. I used to always watch Major's Minute, IGN Strategize and other Inside Xbox videos but after the redesign I stopped. They buried those videos so its kind of like why bother. Same as the XBLA games. I go to game marketplace and then I have to figure out where to go to find the new XBLA games. Its ridiculous.

You would think that with the price for Live going up that we wouldn't have all these ads. The money they get from the ad people would ensure that the price of Live stays the same or goes down is what most people probably thought. Heck if the price did go down I wouldn't mind the ads. Sucks if Netflix gets these ads too.

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Comment #144 by Nei Debrusc
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 11:15:55 PM
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@552 It had to change, but it didn't have to change in this direction. No one wanted it to be stagnant, but I'm pretty sure most would agree that the change should have been more toward the core community of gamers rather than toward this bizarre family set-up they've got going. Does it have to be one extreme or the other? No, but it has been, and not the way most gamers would have liked.

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Comment #145 by Destro
Sunday, May 13, 2012 @ 11:44:28 PM
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Glad to see that even a site like here understand that the new dashboard is crap...

At every damn update i tough it was worst, and worst and worst to a new level of crap with the last one... Just trying to find stuff is long and i can't acces the stuff i want like previously... Damn it piss me off.

I wish i could just have the old dashboard with the party option and i would be soooo happy. I don't care for zune, or all the other crap they put on... Youtube on the xbox is correct, i mean i check it sometimes but i could live without it totally...

I remember back in the days when my dreamcast was my "computer", i used it for net... and i was disapointed to see consols like xbox 1 and ps2 didn't follow that pattern... yet back in the days the dreamcast ran on dial up, so if you didn't had hight speed... it was good.

But now these days... with the price drop in computers and all, im sure there are very few people that only have an xbox and not computer and paying for internet.

Not to mention with every updates the themes are less visible and you pay more for them... talk about crap...

Oh and finally GOD is the worst stealing bullshit i ever saw... and i despise people that will pay 5-10$ more for a digital copy of a game when they could had got it boxed into a store... Because of them one day we may loose the box games...

Wich would mean no trading games with friends(or just giving them for the time they do the solo) , no collection aspect, and once the consol is canned... we are not even sure we could still play them. Believe it or not, i still enjoy playing old school games on my dreamcast... even if its not online anymore and all. So because of the way xbox 360 is designed... if my consol broke and i find another one used in 10 years... and it dosen't connect live anymore(like the original xbox) i would maybe not be able to play live arcade games or GOD games anymore... wich would mean so much money lost...

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Comment #146 by oDEADDOGo
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 01:51:30 AM
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I only want 1 tab. GAMES.

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Comment #147 by DonMoriarty
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 04:48:57 AM
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I own both a 360 and PS3, the only deal why the xbox did so well in the beginning was because it came out a year before PS3 and cost half the price. If it was the other way around, I guarantee we would all be hugging Sony right now, instead of Microsoft.

Microsoft knows two things, one is when you get someone hooked on to something, you can make them pay just about any price, because people become addicted. Another thing is the fact that they know they can get everyone hooked by capturing the market, buying out titles and third-party companies to design games for their system. In the beginning they were grabbing tons of exclusive with all their pools of money, and that is the main part of how they became more popular. Since that bit of lawlessness, Sony has closed that gap and gained some titles back, along with new exclusives.

Microsoft still has Halo and Gears of War, plus many new/exclusive (and retro) arcade titles.

Sony has White Knight Chronicles and Resistance, plus their retro library of PSX and PS2 games for download and backwards compatibility (depending on type of PS3).

I still love my PS3 more, but my gaming console is the 360 and it should remain so. If I have to pay $60 a year for sub on the 360, that's ok as long as I get what I pay for, and I think Microsoft is now just trying to steamroll all their customers. Eventually they want to make it like having a cable box too, where you pay for services like you get through direct TV, which is a cool idea, but at what expense? The trend Microsoft is setting for console gaming, and companies like EA is setting with their "codes" is gaining ground to break us all of money that we try to earn and save for college, a new car, and a house.

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Comment #148 by Slayinfool
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 05:24:42 AM
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I haven't renewed my Gold.. Silver is fine with me.

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Comment #149 by BIZaGoten
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 09:34:37 AM
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Has anyone ever used the Bing search other than the first time just to try it out when you thought you could search over the internet with it? I sure haven't and it's a useless tab.

I'm very jealous of that tab tho. It has its own wallpaper that covers the whole screen! It's a god given gift folks. other tabs, with my chosen wallpaper does not have the luxury of a 100% display. It is blocked by obnoxious ads big as skyscrapers. And let us not forget the gray smudge that covers the bottom part of the screen. I can barely see my beautiful background that i was enjoying so much when i was in the "choose background" menu and i could see the entire picture covering the screen ~sigh.

Get your shit straight Micro$oft. We're tired of you blocking our stuff as you slam giants ads in our faces.

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Comment #150 by thisispreston
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 10:21:59 AM
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@150 yeh that bugs the hell outta me as well! bloody Bing get their own super sweet tropical paradise picture in fullscreen, then we get a third of ours smudged out by pointless greyness, not to mention the fact they make us PAY for the themes in the first place, to then only see 60% of it, its such a joke!

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Comment #151 by kpheg5953
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 03:33:34 PM
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I know this is an Xbox 360 focused website and I do adore my Xbox 360, but the PS3 has been an "entertainment hub" from day one...and has little to no advvertising on its home screen...I just think that in the year 2012, electronics should be cutting edge and attractive. Sony nailed it with the PS3's dashboard and Microsoft has tried and failed three times.

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Comment #152 by XX HEH8ME XX
Monday, May 14, 2012 @ 05:37:40 PM
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@150 the first thing i searched was "tits"

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Comment #153 by Haverholme
Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:59:52 AM
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Microsoft can do what it likes. If they choose to turn their backs on people who predominantly want to play games, then that's fine. Presumably they've found business opportunities elsewhere that they'd like to pursue. If their actions end up alienating gamers, then we have a free market, meaning competitors can come in and provide an alternative. Yes, it's sad that they feel they can do better with a different audience than the one they started out with but this is exactly what Nintendo did (founded in 1889) and the world still turns. I don't feel that getting overly sentimental about these things is necessary.

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Comment #154 by fohf
Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 02:44:38 PM
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I cannot understand why people are so complacent about advertising being shoved in their faces?

"What's the big deal? Ads are everywhere, get used to it!"

Such horse shit, but what can I do? I'll tell you what, I'll stop spending money. There is a reason I paid for XBL, I believed it to be a superior service, now it is not.

So what if other "services" have ads on them? There's a huge fucking reason why I will never pay for Hulu+. And if Netflix ever shows one single fucking ad, ever, before a movie starts I will cancel it immediately. I do not pay for advertising. I'll go back to pirating if they think this is the future.

Sorry if you kids don't understand why it's an issue. Go back to being complacent consumer sheep and swallow everything they tell you to. Don't think, obey.

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Comment #155 by JedEgan
Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:13:07 PM
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I don't use any of the video services (except for Netflix which is better on the PS3 so I use it there), never click on any of the ads and pretty much only buy content when it's discounted. If everyone did that MS would soon have to rethink their strategy. Their rethinking of it would be to force ads before even playing a game and never discounting anything though, it's the only way they know how to operate.

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Comment #156 by Phoenix BLK
Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 11:33:06 PM
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one other thing that i forgot to mention (@128)

I love this site and im on here nearly everyday but since we are talking about advertisements.. Then what the hell is with these NEW, stupid ROLL OVER ADS? The search bar and scroll bar (if you use it)is on the right hand side just above the ads. So basically i search something and then go to scroll down and ARGH!!! GIANT ADVERT ON THE SCREEN THAT FORCES ME TO CLICK "CLOSE". Can someone fire whoever thought that this was a good idea, what is wrong with ordinary ads, that i can just ignore? Haha but seriously can we remove these?

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Comment #157 by PC_GFWL_GAMER
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 02:38:35 AM
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Cancelled my Gold sub in Feb not missed it once either! Many of my friends did the same thing. MS are barking up the wrong tree if they think gamers will pay to watch adverts all the time. Make it free then you cannot complain but making gamers pay for a service & forcing ads is a receipe for disaster!

Way to go MS your running XBL into the ground FAST!!!

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Comment #158 by Solostrike18
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 03:55:34 AM
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"You look like a fucking atheism", are you an idiot? He's is entitled to his own opinion although I must say I agree with him so shut up with your cretinous thoughts.

Back to the matter at hand, I don't mind the integration of the features as long as they make a section for Rock Band 3 items, it's so annoying.

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Comment #159 by slapp77
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 10:41:35 AM
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Boooo MS, it's a game system, keep it that way.

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Comment #160 by eggflip66
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 01:53:10 PM
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man are microsoft fucking dumb? Here's a thought....maybe move "inside xbox" to youtube and advertise it on the console I mean really.....they could be making millions on youtube hits by now if they had their own xbox show on youtube and advertise it on xbox are they that retarded?

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Comment #161 by SJackson16321
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 02:38:14 PM
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I always see people complain about the adverts but I don't even notice them to be honest. The vast majority of my games are proper retail titles as well so I press one button to play. It's a bit of a ball ache admittedly if I'm playing Trials or something and have to go into the library but it takes 30 seconds absolute maximum.

As for the 30 second adverts in the TV apps, that's nothing new. Sky Player has minutes of adverts in it obviously when you're streaming the channels and a good 30-60 seconds of adverts when you're watching something on demand. I also have to watch the same shitty Lovefilm advert which is like a minute long every time I want to watch 4OD.

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Comment #162 by lethal.b
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 03:34:32 PM
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@162 you clearly seem to be noticing the ads then if you are forced to watch them all the time. The ads you see on videos dont have to be there as MS could pay sky and channel 4 some money from the billions they make of us to stop them. For all we know MS could be making some money of the ads in the video apps. I would be surprised if they dont as those companies are earning money from MS service.

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Comment #163 by mishanja
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 05:24:15 PM
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ahhh.... microsoft never got anything right, nor do they ever cared for their users... Nothing is going to change...

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Comment #164 by SJackson16321
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 06:03:26 PM
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@163 I notice those adverts yes, I was talking about the ones on the dashboard that everybody seems to moan about. I highly doubt MS could pay Sky to stop these adverts either especially on live TV as it's just a feed of the channel so what would be shown in place of these adverts? a black screen?

As for the Sky on demand adverts they're advertising Sky programmes so I'd guess they're put in on Skys say so rather than MS wanting them in. The 1 minute Lovefilm advert could be got rid of before watching 4OD but how do you know that Lovefilm don't have a sponsorship contract with 4OD and that contract states the Lovefilm advert has to be played as part of the deal.

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Comment #165 by SiKiTtOyA
Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 11:08:49 PM
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What a bad article. This could be the PS3 and go down for maintenance 3 times a month for 72 hours. Would you prefer that? To not even be able to sign in and game? You get full uninterrupted service with xbox live.

The ads are so little you dont have to watch them if you dont want to. I mean gimme a break. The new dashboard is soo easy to use they should have a geico banner on the top! HA!

Its the same thing as day one. You still need to scroll left and right to get where you need.

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Comment #166 by mileko101
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 03:10:10 AM
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if it wasnt for ads then most of us would not know what we are picking up off the shelves in a store

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Comment #167 by joonas
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 05:24:13 AM
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wtf you got youtube =0.I have been waiting for so long it to come Finland. i thought they hadn't released yet.

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Comment #168 by MyPetWorm
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 06:02:30 AM
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It seems to me that the only people attacking this article, or defending the new dashboard, use the console for more than gaming.

I thought it was pretty obvious in the article that the author was talking about gamers. I have, and probably will never, use my xbox for anything other than gaming. I don't ever watch TV, and very rarely watch movies. For that reason, the article is 100% correct. The dashboard before this one worked fine in my opinon. I would turn on my xbox end up on the Welcome screen through choice, as I liked seeing when new games and DLC was out. Now? I see when the newest movie is out. Oh but wait, the country I'm in basically means that I can't even watch it.

I want the old dash :(

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Comment #169 by Waxy5
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 06:10:28 AM
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You know personally for me, I don't sit there and watch them like it seems all of you do. I scroll past and that's all, and if all you want is games why the hell are you scrolling around the dashboard anyways. I also don't see how everyone thinks it's harder to navigate. After about 10 minutes I was able to navigate the dashboard easily. They just made everything more organized and specific and it's really not as hard as it seems. I get that we all pay for xbox live and there should be no ads but if it isn't forcing me to look at them by popping up and not allowing me to do anything until they are over why do you give a damn?

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Comment #170 by Waxy5
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 06:21:24 AM
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and no it is NOT FORCING you to look at them, you choose to look at it when scrolling dumb asses. Once it pops up on your screen and pauses everything then you can come talk about how they are forcing you to look at them. That's like saying facebook forces you to read ads on their site.

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Comment #171 by squidtech
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 01:18:09 PM
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This barely scratches the surface of the heap of design issues that exist with Xbox Live and the dashboard. However, I'm not sure I agree with the thesis that it's a horrible thing.

In the past several years, Microsoft has been aggressively evolving Xbox live, albeit sloppily. If it weren't for Microsoft's vision for the Xbox, all the current generation consoles would be the same boring dedicated boxes that they were when they launched. We probably wouldn't have Netflix, Hulu or HBO Go on any of the consoles. I use these more than anything on the Xbox.

Personally, I'm thankful for Microsoft's rapid expansion of what it means to be a console. Sure, the dashboard is a total mess and Xbox Live is too expensive, but it's a worthy investment in the future of consoles. Microsoft has done a lot with a very old machine and it gives me a lot of hope for the next generation of consoles.

Also, I hate to be that guy, but the title should be "fewer services" not "less services"

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Comment #172 by Scrapmetal99
Thursday, May 17, 2012 @ 04:12:14 PM
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Well written article. I miss the old "blades" interface, I absolutely hated NXE and now I hate this. I miss the Xbox when it was about just gaming and not entertainment.

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Comment #173 by Darknessfallz
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 07:07:01 AM
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I totally agree with this article, Microsoft is pushing forward media center capabilities, when it should concentrate on gaming, after all that's why i bought a video game console, to play games. While some of the features are somewhat useful the current dashboard is too crowded. I will sign this petition, but won't do much to stop the ever increasing ad content. That's my 2 cents.

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Comment #174 by _Nosferatu_
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 09:16:09 AM
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Took the words right out of my mouth.

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Comment #175 by sithrick
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 02:49:51 PM
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I use my Xbox for gaming and NetFlix only, I hardly notice the ads at all. It take seconds to get to the games tab and find what im looking for. My experience has only gotten better with every dashboard update! I just wish it could be customized a little to move tabs around a bit. Other than that the new look is awesome. I do hope that they reach their goal and Xbox is the only box connected to my Tv. Paying $10.00/month for a cable box is more BS than a few ads im not forced to watch. Now where is my Att Uverse app?

Currently in my house are 5 Xboxes
5 cable boxes
5 dvd/blue ray players

Thats 10 items that are sucking juice all the time, that I wont need when Xbox rules the entertainment world! Less money going to electric co means more money to spend on games!

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Comment #176 by BCPotter
Friday, May 18, 2012 @ 07:35:44 PM
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I play games. I hate the term gamer, though. What makes a difference if a person is a gamer or not? I also read books, but nobody refers to me as a reader. Quit trying to distinguish yourself from others then complain when when "Micro$oft" ruins your life by improving their service. God forbid a business trying to make money.

The dashboard looks great. It works. It's reliable. It's well organized. Sure, it MIGHT take you a second or two longer to get to your games but Jesus... are you really paying so much attention to ads that you have run to your computer to bitch about it? It takes longer to read through all this bullshit than it would to log into your game of choice.

In the end, what does it matter if it takes you a second or two longer to boot up your game if you spend hours playing it afterwards anyway? Did it ruin your life? I highly doubt it. If you scroll through the pages and you ACCIDENTALLY hear a split second of an ad, learn to use a controller better. Set your priorities and worry about something that matters. At the end of the day, you're stilling playing your games on a console that can play games and do so much more. It can be many things for many people. Grow up.

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Comment #177 by Spiderpope
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 11:20:48 AM
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I'm far less bothered about Ads and dashboard redesigns etc than i am about losing content like Inside Xbox. I don't know what the US etc. versions were like but the UK stuff was pretty good, at the very least Sentuamessage was good for a laugh each week.

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Comment #178 by bapae
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 07:45:07 PM
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The ads and stuff don't bother me i really think its a small thing to complain about if all you do is start game disks or buy things from the marketplace.

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Comment #179 by Ameno
Saturday, May 19, 2012 @ 08:04:13 PM
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The ads are annoying the PS3 doesn't have any of them! It's a frickin game console not a magazine, computer or TV!

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Comment #180 by Samurai Kadaj
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 02:04:54 AM
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I can't believe the number of people that are siding with Microsoft's decisions. I don't like ads; it's like someone shoving their crap in my face that I don't want. I'm well aware of the products and services that are available in the world. If I wanted a Coors beer, I can go out and buy some; I don't need an ad on my Xbox reminding me of that. And I, too, think it's crap that the game tab is the fourth tab over. I bought my Xbox for gaming. Period. I know it doesn't take but a second to scroll over the other tabs, but that's not the point. It's still an irritating inconvenience. Having all this extra crap on my Xbox that I don't use is like having a cluttered desk. I personally support the idea of being able to customize your desktop. My game tab would come first, and then the order of everything else wouldn't matter because I absolutely don't use any of it.

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Comment #181 by gladbecker82
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 03:13:21 PM
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pretty risky from this site to post this but its true, i was happy with the older versions, especially in the games section. of course its designed with kinect in mind.

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Comment #182 by SnakeIntheboX
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 03:34:49 PM
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Was going to write a long winded reply on how disrespectful micro has been of late to the demographic that is sole reason they even have a viable "entertainment" platform, but this company isn't even worthy of mine or anyone elses constructive criticisms.

Consoles are streamlined for GAMING, this is why they exist. The commercial abuse handed out by the latest dashboard has all but guaranteed steam will be my platform of choice for the "next gen".

Oh by the way, micro your exclusive i.p has dropped in relevance so fast its staggering. Hope Black ops 2 destroys Halo 4, so glad bungie wasn't on your list of developer casualties this gen.

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Comment #183 by Meldar
Sunday, May 20, 2012 @ 05:31:59 PM
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I fully agree with this article. This will be my last year on the 360 as I'm going to build a new PC early next year and am going that route for my "next gen". My gold is due in February which I am not renewing and there is only two games I plan on buying for the 360 this year. I'm currently working on my backlog while I wait for the two games I got pre-ordered to come out.

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Comment #184 by CuddlyREDRUM
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 06:13:14 AM
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Nice read.

What is the most alarming thing, besides the person behind the new Dashboard heading up the design of the next console, is just how much clicking you have to do for basic things. New demo out, five clicks. What is the highest rated Indie title for platformers, six clicks. Play the game in the disc drive, I had to do fourteen clicks one time.

Oh, and my slim keeps freezing only the Dashboard. For every three minutes I am on it I have a half shot at getting a freeze. Thanks, China!

PS Quickplay is for the types of people who fart in a crowded elevator just before they get off. I always use it!

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Comment #185 by FaSCoRP
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 11:31:30 AM
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It would be great if you will be able to enable or disable the tabs. I will get rid of search, video, music, and left only home, games and setup :)

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Comment #186 by Bickle
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 11:39:40 AM
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All the "inside Xbox" stuff was just short smarmy crap that was essentially advertisements anyway. Other than people losing their jobs, I don't give a rats about it.

I really like the Metro interface, though I agree that the ability to move the tabs to prioritize would be optimal (they're not going to do that, because they want you to surf past them hoping you'll buy something). Thankfully you can Quickplay or launch a disc from the landing pad, or search by going left (faster than it loading my list of games anyway)

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Comment #187 by Reeves iXi
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 03:22:33 PM
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I actually like the new format. No complaints from me.

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Comment #188 by ENVY021
Monday, May 21, 2012 @ 07:46:43 PM
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@all of you saying "Fuck M$"

$50 says you all are still gold members (or still on auto-renew) and won't cancel anytime soon.

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Comment #189 by xxthegodofwarx
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 @ 02:03:16 AM
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i dont mind the new dashboard that much to be honest

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Comment #190 by goose
Tuesday, May 22, 2012 @ 09:14:02 AM
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Great article - totally agree. MS if you read this - cmon.

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Comment #191 by itsfuzzy
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 @ 09:30:52 AM
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Andy and Dan on sent u a message has been one of the best things on live for years. Its funny and informative , i cant believe they want to scrap it. And do i really have to look at ads when i pay for a premium service?

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Comment #192 by Zumato
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 @ 09:48:38 AM
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In the end, it's all about the money. Making money will always trump customer satisfaction. I'm hoping that in the next generation of consoles, Microsoft will release two versions. One dedicated to games, the other for multimedia purposes.

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Comment #193 by BadFishCM
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 @ 10:58:01 AM
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Really? this has to be one of the most absurd complaints Ive ever heard. Im pretty sure EVERY single iteration of the xbox live service, be it the blades or this new format has ALWAYS had ads, they are just a little bit bigger this time around and for more random shit.

Welcome to the modern era, every company that is looking out for itself is going to try to bring in as much revenue as possible so they are able to fund bigger and better updates.

And seriously how is this a valid complaint

"If you want to launch a game from your library then you have to scroll past the Home, Social and Video tabs, before then clicking on My Games to get to what you actually want. Rather than making playing games - on your games console - the most immediate function, the redesign instead prioritises entirely non-game-related features."

OMG you have to press right bumper FOUR whole times. Are you going to be alright Lee Bradley??? Do you need me to take you to the hospital. Hold on let me get your mommy. Seriously? How lazy are some people that pressing a button FOUR EFFING times becomes to strenuous for most people. Your not running a marathon, your not swimming laps, your pressing a button while competely immobile on your couch/chair/tampon(if your lee bradley)

Get over yourself bro. If you dont like the advancements in technology take your old bald ass back to your colecovision.

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Comment #194 by CHiLLiONS
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 @ 04:36:04 PM
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Your a tool. If you read you are a fucking reader, k?

I reserve the right to do whatever the fuck i want to do. Eat a bowl of balls sir. Maybe your getting too old too fast and that bothers you. Fuck off.

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Comment #195 by CHiLLiONS
Wednesday, May 23, 2012 @ 04:43:44 PM
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My only complaints is that the dashboard is too bright. My TV is massive so we could use some darker coloration. I don't need to get a tan turning my xbox on. What was wrong with the old-school green X with black background.

Would it be that brain-squeezing to let me change the colors around?

Makes me want to get a PS3 just so my screen doesn't look fisher-price made my console

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Comment #196 by Clinton4000
Thursday, May 24, 2012 @ 11:11:28 AM
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Microsoft really need to get their priorities right. The inside xbox content is the type of content that really sets the xbox apart from other consoles. Now the only distinguishing feature is going to be that its developer is a total media whore? For shame.

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Comment #197 by Oversig
Friday, May 25, 2012 @ 08:59:31 AM
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At #194 What is your problem do you work for Microsoft or an affiliate by chance? Are you a company spokesperson?
I mean really! I have not seen such a cooperate kissA$$ such as you in quite some time.
The author has called Microsoft out on this issue & it's about F'ing time someone did!
If it's going to have advertisements make it free!
If not, Leave them the F' out plain & simple!
Great article Lee Bradley & may all the posers eat sh@T & die!

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Comment #198 by Fried Cola
Friday, May 25, 2012 @ 12:55:56 PM
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reading through these comments and coming across stuff like #177 and #194. Who really thinks like that? Honestly! Way to miss the point of why people are upset. Way to be confrontational. If you like it, great. Why then do you feel compelled to attack the people who don't? Yeesh.

I still don't get the apologists tho. The new dash is terrible! You honestly think this POS is better than the last one? Its more than just the ads. Its a pain to navigate and its poorly organized. There's also deceptive BS going on too like the xbox DotW which always lists what you're saving VS what the actual price is. Oh, you thought this game was 400 ms points? Nope, that's how much you saved. Fool you! Not to mention the game marketplace sucks now, and there are still games listed incorrectly that are neither available for GoD or have absolutely no DLC. This article may be taking a swipe at Microsoft for taking away features from UK, but its a damn shame it took that much to get them to state the obvious. The new dash really does suck. God forbid anyone buy a 360 to play games on it anymore.

BTW, everyone bringing up the 'blades' system. Its still there. That's what comes up when you push the guide button.

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Comment #199 by SiKiTtOyA
Friday, May 25, 2012 @ 05:43:27 PM
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SONY Is about to do something even worse.

Check this out:

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Comment #200 by Blue Thunder28
Friday, May 25, 2012 @ 10:18:58 PM
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They need to fund more projects like The Guild and Bright Falls and maybe even get some YouTube talent in there. I'm fine with the dashboard and the whopping one ad on the bottom right of two or three dashboard tabs certainly doesn't bother me(infact I like them, since they are always for upcoming movies like Cabin in the Woods which I totally forgot about and the ad reminded me to go see it).

I don't like what they did to the Indie Game's section though took me forever to find it!

I do however miss Inside Xbox, but I'm over it. The information in Inside Xbox is definitely found elsewhere I just liked the hosts a lot.

As far as the new dash design, when all else fails, just use the Guide exclusively, there's your blades.

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Comment #201 by SnakeIntheboX
Saturday, May 26, 2012 @ 11:14:47 AM
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@ 200, Sony are sitting on the patent so micro (and everyone else) has to cough up royalties when they start interrupting your games with ads.

@ 201, It makes me want to fart in a kittens faces every time someone says "I'm fine with the dashboard and the whopping one ad on the bottom right of two or three dashboard tabs certainly doesn't bother me".

There is a giant fu*king revolving ad slide show right in the middle of your fu*king display. If you are ok with that level of ad penetration allow me to forward your personal details to 'sheep marketing' who are currently working at beaming commercials directly into your brain as you sleep. Beta participation will only cost you $50 a year.

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Comment #202 by Callam001
Saturday, May 26, 2012 @ 05:51:54 PM
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I hope xbox fails. They had something great but sold out. Those twats

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Comment #203 by Surgeon_Sniper
Saturday, May 26, 2012 @ 07:06:19 PM
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It really isn't that bad in my opinion. Its just different. The only thing thats annoying is trying to use the kinect on the dashboard-- thats a practice in patience. But otherwise, I just don't see the huge deal you're making. I haven't had to sit through one ad yet. And the game still launches when I put it in the tray. Getting to XBLA games is actually a little faster now.

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Comment #204 by ToshiroPup
Sunday, May 27, 2012 @ 02:29:20 PM
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@20 WiiU nuff said :3

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Comment #205 by Quintonir
Monday, May 28, 2012 @ 04:34:51 AM
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Since the update, I've been doing everything through the Guide menu. Tragically there isn't a direct link to IX!

The aversion to advertising is not a difficult concept to grasp. I pay money for one thing, and receive that one thing covered in soil and excrement. Sure, I still have the thing I wanted, but now it smells and looks horrible. Furthermore, I'm paying additional money, that was just sodding increased, for a service that is 80% advertisement. Either advertise or offer a subscription, don't do both, you stupid, greedy cunts.

Microsoft, not you guys. You lot are grand.

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Comment #206 by LifeMakesMeLOL
Monday, May 28, 2012 @ 08:49:59 PM
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Maybe this is just me, but the ads don't bother me at all.

The only thing I don't like about the new dashboard is that quickplay doesn't contain all my XBLA games for some reason.

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Comment #207 by Xero Link
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 @ 09:24:43 AM
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I just wish for a way to hide people playing Netflix. it get tired of signing in and seeing 14 friends online and only 3 of them actually playing games.

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Comment #208 by RollaJedi
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 @ 11:25:10 AM
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with all the ads, xblive gold should be free

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Comment #209 by BCPotter
Wednesday, May 30, 2012 @ 05:35:36 PM
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With all the ads, Xbox Live should be free! Magazines should be free! Cable subscriptions should be free too with all those commercials! ... babies. Welcome to the real world. Now go rant on the internet because you fail to understand how the business world works.

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Comment #210 by Quintonir
Thursday, May 31, 2012 @ 04:50:12 AM
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^ Incorrect. Nice try, though. Would you like a lollipop with your straw man?

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Comment #211 by Red Testament
Thursday, May 31, 2012 @ 10:49:23 PM
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The update before this one I thought was great. I can't stand this current one. I don't even venture out anywhere besides the first screen (the correct name alludes me) and to games.

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Comment #212 by JGar77
Thursday, May 31, 2012 @ 11:03:27 PM
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On the previous dashboard, I spent some time scrolling through everything, especially the Friends tab, to see what was up. On this dash, I just go straight to games. I can't be bothered with all the mess. But to be honest, I've played much more on my PC as of late. I'm just not "feeling" the 360 anymore..

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Comment #213 by craigj76
Thursday, May 31, 2012 @ 11:56:56 PM
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Do I like the new dashboard no. But do I care no. As a hardcore gamer I have one purpose when I turn on my 360 to play a game not browse my dashboard. Living in a country founded on capitalism what do I care that they have gone more commerical with their console. I assume from all the complaints on here that all of you would perfer to stand inline for toilet paper. What I do care about is companies continuing to ship unfinished games and below par games.

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Comment #214 by ShadowStar83
Friday, June 01, 2012 @ 04:23:51 AM
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Agreed. This, along with their focus on Kinect, is making me seriously question whether I'll get the next XBox. As one person mentioned, this crap isn't on the PS3. Also, Sony doesn't try to shoehorn the Move into everything...unlike Microsoft, who shoehorns Kinect into everything. I've already decided not to renew my Gold when it lapses in September. And the current dashboard is an ugly POS!

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Comment #215 by Mario Reborn
Sunday, June 03, 2012 @ 12:26:49 AM
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Am I the only person who clicks the ads to see if any avatar items/gamerpics are going free? The only guy who spends 10 minutes playing a Pepsi game when I can't decide which disc to put in? I hope not...

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Comment #216 by Manhands9
Thursday, June 07, 2012 @ 01:06:36 PM
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Great Article. I have definately noticed how un-user friendly live has become. I can't find any gaming videos any more. Considering the majority of people who are playing for gold memberships are more likely to be video gamers and not social users you would think Microsoft would cater to us more.

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Comment #217 by Optomistic
Friday, June 08, 2012 @ 05:24:05 PM
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@4 Well put. I preferred the 3rd gen design the best (The one before this one). And while this current design seems very pretty, I would gladly sacrifice the looks for functionality.
@213 Totally agree with you. I used to scroll thru all my friends just to see what they're up to, but with this design I go straight to the game. Too much visual clutter for me now.

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Comment #218 by NJ x BaNdiT
Friday, June 08, 2012 @ 05:30:21 PM
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I hate that there is an ad that is bigger than the click box to launch the game. And yes, reminiscing on the beginning days of the 360, I do miss the blades as well.

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Comment #219 by Ari Haswari
Monday, June 11, 2012 @ 05:35:39 AM
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I hear and understand what everything. I myself am becoming less and less interested in the xbox each passing day. xbox is just not what it used to be. Lately I've been interested more in PS3 and it's Blue-Ray feature as well as it's compatibility to play variety of file types. Which the xbox lack.

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Comment #220 by kapster
Tuesday, June 12, 2012 @ 08:47:47 PM
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but if it continues to go in this direction I'll be on the sister site next generation.

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Comment #221 by Daytripper
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 08:06:31 PM
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After seeing the leaked document for the next console, this horrible dashboard, the same ips getting sequel after sequel, i'm considering not investing in the next xbox or live subscription after my current one runs out in september.

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Comment #222 by FoxyLoxyultimate1337
Wednesday, June 20, 2012 @ 01:51:30 PM
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Down with adverts and bringing back Inside Xbox. For one I can finally see the wallpaper on my background for xbox, unlike last time where I had to go through a bunch of menus and saw different screens, they too got blocked by menus.

Sadly i'm stuck till December till my Gold Runs out but i'm still going on line, I just got my Tenure... Plus I also read on here that Microsoft finally got a good idea, using microsoft points to unlocking achievements?! COOL!

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Comment #223 by SFAL
Thursday, June 21, 2012 @ 03:32:45 PM
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Ah, well one sort of solution is to leave a disc in and set it to launch on startup. But with added crap that you really can't use unless you already have the service? Why do you need ESPN3 or HBOGO on the 360 if you can watch them on the cable box, and if you can't watch them on the cable box because you don't have them, why are they on the 360. Utube, daily motion, twitter, facebook; please. I don't use them much, so that's a waste and even still, give me a computer any day. This is a game console, hello.

I lost all hope after they so pussified the sounds of the 360 that I had to shut off sound effects. I wanted to throw up every time I heard the horrid wimped out replacement sounds of a pseudo-wii copy rip-off, so now there's nothing. I don't even remember what an achievement sounds like, and that's ultra sad.

Speaking of that, wouldn't it be great if you could leave on the achievement notifications and turn off the "so and so is online" stuff? Like the 'show notifications while playing videos' on or off, how about a 'turn off friends status change information while playing games' setting. (With maybe allowing pages to you in game, or you could always start a party chat open to friends, etc.)

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Comment #224 by Murzealous
Saturday, June 23, 2012 @ 01:50:26 PM
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Completely agree with this article, Microsoft is stomping on their consumers that helped them get so successful. It's a shame they are trashing Inside Xbox, I actually thought it was already cancelled since I haven't been able to find it for months now. Also, the amount of ads laced into the supposed free apps we're supposed to get is absurd as well, we're paying for a Gold Subscription, so why are we getting squeezed even more? In my opinion, Xbox needs to ditch trying to be everything in my living room, and instead be the game console I bought it for.

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Comment #225 by dr latour
Monday, June 25, 2012 @ 02:08:22 AM
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Stay tuned for coke vs pepsi and after these messages you will be returned to your game thank you and have a good night.

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Comment #226 by Neg Primer
Tuesday, June 26, 2012 @ 01:27:16 AM
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The new dash is ugly. I don't mind the ads (though the intrusive ads is ridiculous...but what do you expect when people pay money to have them on an e-reader).

It's ugly...and tough to navigate. I want simplicity when I'm starting up my games. Having to go through a half dozen menus in order to find a specific DLC...only to have to try to sort out which is actually DLC and which is a t-shirt for your ANNOYING, and makes me spend less money.

Also, Netflix is HORRIBLE on the Xbox 360. If I want to find a TV show, and a specific episode, I shouldn't have to start up the first episode in order to do so. If I want to get more information about a movie, again, I shouldn't have to start it.

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Comment #227 by VinnyMac6
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 @ 09:30:08 AM
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Whaa whaa. My console that lets me play awesome games, watch movies, television, listen to music and pretty much whatever else I need entertainment wise has little ads on it. And sometimes it takes me several seconds to find things. Whaaaa. Whaaaaa.

Geeze. While losing content, looking at you SentUAMessage, sucks, it's not like it's unheard of. Nobody here watches television apparently. Sometimes things you like go away. Move on.

But seriously folks, this is not some huge affront on gamers. Microsoft has a vision for the console as an entertainment hub. If you don't like it, don't buy it. This article serves no purpose other than a huge bitch fest.

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Comment #228 by Galactixs
Thursday, June 28, 2012 @ 06:33:16 PM
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i find it funny that people are bitching about ADs on xbox live, their are hardly and ADs and you arent forced to watch it. 2nd it takes only a couple of extra minutes to find your content, stop bitching and move those fat fingers

and @ 228 i completely agree with you

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Comment #229 by DarkMellie
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 04:09:02 AM
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I don't mind the ads at all, scrolling to get to my games library is just a few presses... even at a very conceptual level, I'm not bothered by it as I understand the direction that MS is going in and let's be honest here.. gaming is the largest entertainment industry in the world, it aint going anywhere, there will always be great games (and shit ones).

I am, however, REALLY bothered by the loss of Insider and the rest. I have watched just about every video ever put up, I enjoy the content and consider it to be one of the primary reasons outside of friends/gaming for paying a subscription fee.

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Comment #230 by Niall1801
Tuesday, August 07, 2012 @ 06:38:02 PM
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It annoys me that I pay a monthly fee for xbox live and I have to look at ads on my gaming console, but it just further shows Microsoft means it when they say they want to make the xbox into a media console

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Comment #231 by Ninja Kaspyr 83
Saturday, August 18, 2012 @ 11:06:26 PM
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my question is:

what the fuck is with the beer commercials?

i dont drink. i dont hang with people who drink. my father was an alcoholic and my sisters best friend was killed by a drunk driver.

so, why.... the FUCK..... would i want a god damn beer ad on my xbox?

xbox is for families, not alcoholics.

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