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Would Microsoft be Foolish to Make the Next Xbox Always Online? The Stats Suggest Yes

Would Microsoft be Foolish to Make the Next Xbox Always Online? The Stats Suggest Yes

Written Tuesday, April 16, 2013 By Lee Bradley
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Last weekend Xbox Live experienced issues for around 10 hours, preventing some users from signing into the service, downloading content, using web-based entertainment apps, playing online with their friends and, in the case Minecraft: Xbox 360 Edition, saving their progress. A relatively rare occurrence, it was nevertheless a giant pain in the ass.

But imagine if the outage had prevented users from doing anything with their consoles. Imagine if it stopped you playing games of any type, in any capacity and for any reason. If the rumours are to be believed, that’s the future we could face with Microsoft’s next console.

For the past year or so the internet has been alight with talk that the next Xbox will be ‘always-online’, necessitating a permanent internet connection in order to play games. If your connection fails for more than three minutes, say the rumours, for whatever reason, your game will be shut down.

Even since the first murmurings of this potential future started leaking out onto the net, the response has been angry. And noisy. Commenters have raised their pitchforks, Microsoft execs have spoken out (then been quietly shuffled out the door) and chaos has reigned. In the gulf left by the platform holder’s refusal to reveal any concrete details about its next machine, a tidal wave of toxic waste has poured in.

Stripping away all the anger wrapped up in this clearly emotive issue, however, it’s worth taking a closer look at the potential pitfalls of an ‘always online’ console. Because more than just a shockingly bad decision from a consumer perspective, it’s also bizarre from a business perspective. So what would drive Microsoft to make such an unpopular decision?

One of the most obvious reasons is piracy. An always-on console is primarily a method of digital rights management (DRM), ensuring that games are tied to a console and monitored at all times. The thinking behind DRM is that it eradicates piracy by preventing any form of sharing. You can’t even lend the disc to a friend without an activation code. Yet it’s a massively flawed system.

At GDC in San Francisco earlier this month, ex-Epic Executive Producer Rod Fergusson said that Gears of War 3 had “50% more players than sales,” the suggestion being that piracy was a significant factor in Epic’s loss of potential revenue.

Yet stats published by TorrentFreak last year say that by December 2011, three months after the release of the game, pirated versions of Gears of War 3 were downloaded 890,000 times. That’s a lot of copies and it’s clearly an issue that Microsoft has to tackle. But it’s actually a very small portion of the game’s sales. In stores, Gears of War 3 sold 3 million units in its first week.

So while piracy is a problem, are those numbers worth potentially reducing the quality of service received by the millions of consumers who actually pay for their games? On the face of it the answer is no.

So perhaps it’s the second-hand market that Microsoft hopes to combat with its console’s rumoured DRM, an issue that content creators and platform holders have been worried about for some time. Here we find some far more convincing numbers. During October, November and December 2011, in Britain alone, NPD estimated that £90m ($141.9m) was spent on used games. Yet, once again, if you look at the stats you’ll see that pre-owned game sales constitute just a fraction of the total revenue. During that same period, GfK Chart-Track reports that £780m ($1b) was spent on new boxed video games.

Of course, if you factor in North America and the rest of the world, those numbers no doubt rise exponentially. Along with the piracy rates, it all adds up. These aren’t insignificant figures. But this next stat reveals that if Microsoft makes the next Xbox always-online, it could be cutting its nose off to spite its face.

A recent study of major nations conducted by Ofcom found that around 75 per cent of North American households have a broadband connection, while in the UK that rate is a bit higher at 77 per cent. In important emerging markets like Brazil, that number dips to 45 per cent. And that’s without mentioning the large number of countries that Xbox Live doesn’t reach, all of which would be excluded by an always-online console.

These numbers are reflected by the amount of connected Xbox 360s across the world. During a session at GDC 2012 attended by X360A, video game research and consulting firm EEDAR estimated that around 76 per cent of Xbox 360 owners are connected to the internet.

So what does that mean? It means that of the 76 million Xbox 360s Microsoft has sold so far, around 18.24 million of them are not connected. If the rumoured always-online Xbox was to achieve a similar number of sales during its lifespan, that’s a potential 18 million consumers that could be shut out and 18 million proven buyers that could be tempted to into purchasing a PlayStation 4.

"Technology doesn't advance by worrying about the edge case," said ex-Gears of War designer Cliff Bleszinski in a recent blog post defending an always-online future. We’re not sure about you, but 18 million people seems like much more than an insignificant minority.

And seeing as we’re throwing numbers around, consider this. US Xbox 360 owners have an average of nine games in their collection, according to Microsoft themselves. If you multiply that by 18 million that’s roughly 162 million potential game sales gone in a puff of smoke. 

Microsoft pockets around 11.7 per cent of the revenue from each game sold on the Xbox 360, regardless of the publisher. So, for example, 162 million games sold at $60 could be worth up to $1.13 billion in potentially lost revenue. Should Microsoft truly be prepping an always-online console we don’t doubt that it has done the maths, but when you see stats like than you can’t help but think they need a new calculator.

It’s worth bearing in mind that these numbers are all based on released information regarding the Xbox 360, spun out to give an indication of the next Xbox’s reach and attach rate. There’s no other way to project the performance of an unannounced console and the numbers could be way off. At this point all we can do is make calculated guesses based on what’s already out there. But regardless, even this rough indication of the potential implications of an always-online console makes for scary reading.

So that’s why an always-online console could be bad for Microsoft. Let’s have a look at why it’s bad for gamers, many of whom have already threatened not to buy the next Xbox if it turns out to be always-online. There’s a whole load of precedents, but a decent place to start is with Ubisoft’s use of DRM on its PC releases, a system that ensured that even the publisher’s single-player games could not be played offline. It was disastrous.

Not only were PC gamers up in arms about being prevented from playing their favourite titles without an internet connection, Ubisoft’s use of DRM also failed to tackle PC game piracy - a far larger issue than on consoles - in any significant way. Indeed, despite the inconvenience caused to consumers by the measures, last year CEO Yves Guillemot said that Ubisoft still endured a 93-95 per cent piracy rate on its PC releases.

In this particular case, DRM did nothing to deter pirates and plenty to enrage players. So Ubisoft quietly shelved it in favour of one-time activation codes. Always-online was a failure.

The biggest and most obvious problem, however, is the one hinted at by the opening to this piece. Time and time again, with games that require an online connection to function, we’ve seen catastrophic releases that have prevented players from enjoying the games they paid good money for.

The most recent is example is SimCity, the US launch of which was a mess, leading to consumer outrage. Amazon suspending the game from sale, EA cancelling some of the game’s marketing and ultimately, the publisher giving away free copies of other titles in a desperate attempt to calm angry fans. All because the game required a persistent internet connection to work.

Diablo III’s launch was similarly disastrous. The months following the game’s release saw Blizzard Entertainment challenged by consumer groups across the world, while the company’s offices were raided by the Fair Trade Commission in South Korea for suspected consumer rights laws breaches. Again, this was all due to the launch of a game made unplayable by its always-online approach.

Between them, EA and Blizzard have vast resources and great experience in the online world. Both publishers understand exactly what is needed in terms of online infrastructure to keep these games ticking over. Yet despite all this both games still failed. And it was the gamers that suffered.

And ultimately, that’s the biggest issue. When DRM is introduced, consumers who are happy to pay for the latest releases are being punished for the actions of those that are not. An aways online console wouldn’t solve any problems faced by paying customers, it potentially adds to them.  And just to add insult to injury, methods like DRM don’t even work against piracy. It’s useless.

So the question remains. If consumers don’t want it and the numbers suggest it’s bad business, why would Microsoft even entertain the idea of an always-online console? What are the benefits? We just don’t know. Now we just have to wait and hope that the rumours surrounding the next Xbox are false.





 
 

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Comment #1 by R0KETM4N
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:40:57 PM
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Good read, thanks!
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Comment #2 by CaptainKicker
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:52:01 PM
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Interesting read.

But I would'nt mind the next Xbox to be Always On. I'm online everytime I play, and IF it would happen, that there will be down times, well I might do something else, like i do when the power is off a few times a year.

Can't wait to get the new Xbox... already paid for, now I'm just waiting.


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Comment #3 by MCFC Blue Nose
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:52:58 PM
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I think Microsoft will only do this if Sony do the same thing, hopefully won't happen.


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Comment #4 by IXISHADOW
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:56:01 PM
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They will be very foolish indeed.


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Comment #5 by loganm223
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:56:52 PM
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Very good Read +1


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Comment #6 by Corwin613
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:57:29 PM
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If half the rumors are true about the next xbox and the PS4 I won't be getting either of them both of which have launch dates of later this year from what I understad


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Comment #7 by Caramel Cardinal
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:57:36 PM
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always on really doesn't bother me too much, we live in a world where Internet connections are getting faster and more reliable just compare them now to where they were when the 360 first came out, and where they were when xbox live was first launched by the end of the 720's life cycle they'll be very few people in the developed world who it even affects and in the developing world it will be only a few.
My only concern is this, if i register a game to my live account would that mean only i could play it or could my brothers play it on the same console with there accounts too, that's the killer, if I have to buy 3 copies of every game then sorry Microsoft but back to Sony I go.


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Comment #8 by Vyron360
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 04:59:08 PM
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Well, if you look at it in another way. Atleast one system has to start with the always-online feature. If it would be Microsoft to take the first step, then I can live with that and i'll support the system from the beginning.


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Comment #9 by PsycoSaurus
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:03:15 PM
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If anyone's interested here is a link about boycotting the next-gen Xbox. I know I will be, at least at first.
http://www.debate.org/opinions/are-you-going-to-boycott-xbox-when-the-new-xbox-720-releases-if-it-does-not-have-used-game-compatibility


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Comment #10 by DarqStalker
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:09:04 PM
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Also will suck if your internet goes out. Can't play anything if your local ISP is having problems.


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Comment #11 by an7man
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:13:40 PM
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Well overall I hope its false and just rumours..

Though I wouldn't mind buying a SNES and going retro.
Maybe it's a sign I should start playing on my 3DS and slow down on console gaming. ehe


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Comment #12 by UltimateAuron32
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:20:18 PM
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why do i always get enraged by even the mention of that fucking idiot Cliffy B? he's basically saying no internet? fuck you! arrogant fool, you got money from the very people your basically insulting...

on topic, i cant see them being so dumb as to include it THIS gen, it's soon for consoles to be using always-on DRM. Consider this too, Sony have announced THEY ARE NOT USING DRM, it would be very foolish of microsoft to do this knowing their main rival (sorry Nintendo, i cant count you into this) is not be using it.

the vast problem is stability with internet connections, always on DRM can be very picky, i have Diablo III and have put nearly 200 hours into my Monk alone, but would have put nearly 50 more into it IF THE DRM LET ME. one little wobble in my internet stability and throws me off, they need to have a little more leeway with it.

and with games developers going multi-platform more and more these days, MicroSoft need to consider this: what system will people go for if they can get the majority of their games on both?

i have both and while i do PREFER the Xbox, i can easily switch the PlayStation, in fact for the past few days i've been playing it, due to live being down and other online issues i only get with Xbox Live...


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Comment #13 by VonThronstahl
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:21:28 PM
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Cliffy B is the worst soab in the industry. His comments are the worst!


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Comment #14 by Hurricane Of 87
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:25:28 PM
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I can see why it would benefit Microsoft for reasons outlined above, but how will an always online internet connection improve *MY* experience as a player? Time and time again they always fail to explain this point.
That Clifford geezer said Diablo III would have only sold half as much if it didn't have it's online features but, again, failed to mention what they were and why they were oh so awesome.

The fact that PS4 doesn't have this always online element seems to suggests that what's possibly being added is of no great value at all, hence why they're giving it a miss.

All I can think of is a live news feed that pops up in the corner and says things like "Terror attack in Rio! Press the back button to switch to BBC News now." and even then that's not all that useful. If Rio (or whatever city/dead person/massive incident) effected me I'm sure I'd receive a message or two about it and just manually switch to the news anyway.

What player benefits can come of this?


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Comment #15 by XxStuartxX 1990
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:28:13 PM
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As of late I've been playing more PS3 than 360, but if that's just because I have more fresh games for it I'm not sure, but what my recent time has told me it's PS gets more better (IMO), exclusives, and PS+ is actually a much better deal than Gold.

The only reason i jumped to 360 in the first place was because my friends did, and the gap between releases was a long one, but now I have no friends and PS is already confirmed for this year, and rumored to be as early as late October, I'm really leaning towards PS.

I should really show some loyalty at some point, but F it they don't give a crap about me so why should I give a crap about them?


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Comment #16 by SkipDaddy
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:29:40 PM
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Not sure in what 2nd grade math world 890,000 would be a "small percentage" of 3,000,000. Sure seems damn close to 30%.


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Comment #17 by LeeBradley [STAFF]
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:31:01 PM
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@16

890k was the amount of downloads in three months. 3m was the amount of sales in one week.


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Comment #18 by SkipDaddy
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:31:34 PM
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We have more than 1 xbox in our house. Whomever wants to play a particular game picks one that isn't being used. What happens in the new age of the nextbox?


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Comment #19 by Epsilon 616
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:31:37 PM
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Xbox 360 with it's initial firmware was a great offline console. It was made with that in mind. It had one Marketplace tab and the rest was just fine offline.

Unplug your 360 now...Its just an empty space. Most if not all Dashboard tabs require you to be online to get any functionality out of them.

Xbox 360 is practically always-on. Its a step away. My only problem with it is, and why I am boycotting an always-on console, that internet isn't free. Its not available to everyone.


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Comment #20 by Geoffroman
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:32:16 PM
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If i wanted a always online system i would play my pc more. Thats why i have a console to play it where ever i want. I spend most of my teenage years playing xbox since its oringal launch date. Friday night gaming was awesome staying up all night to beat doom 3 was extra memorable. We used to grap all our xbox's and head over to someones house system link them all and play non stop halo 2 mulitplayer those were the good old day.

I'm actually weight up the opition of going playstation for next gen due to this reason. but i hope all this always online crap and no used games is all a marketing gimmick to thrown playstation off and then on realse date say it was all rumours and never going to happen to make us the customer go "ummmmm maybe we should have just waited to realse to decide"

Beacuse always online and single user use belongs on the pc.


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Comment #21 by XxStuartxX 1990
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:33:27 PM
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I just realized how off topic my last comment was so I'll try to actually add something.


I understand piracy is the main benefit of this but is piracy really a major problem on consoles?

I understand some games been always online such as MMOs, or hell even Borderlands to stop duping, but to make the whole console reliant on a connection is just stupid, next thing you know you won't be able to use it at all unless you pay for a gold subscription, which is just daylight robbery anyway, no other console charges you for using such a basic feature, anyway I'm starting to go off topic again so I'll stop here.


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Comment #22 by Complete Disregard
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:38:56 PM
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I don't have a problem with 'always on' as I want dates by my achievements anyway (which only happens online). If the internet is down (which is fairly frequent where I live), I watch a film or whatever. Will be a little annoyed if there is no backward compatibility, though. Used games and borrowing don't bother me personally either, as I keep the games I buy and don't have anyone to lend them to, and I very rarely buy a used game.


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Comment #23 by BrySkye
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:42:11 PM
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"So what does that mean? It means that of the 76 million Xbox 360s Microsoft has sold so far, around 18.24 million of them are not connected."

The thing that makes you particularly wary of numbers like that is factoring in that a certain proportion of the Xbox 360 hardcore may well have purchased at least a second console, which skews the figures in suggesting more Xbox 360's are "online" than is really the case.


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Comment #24 by NJC Omega
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 05:47:13 PM
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Good article but I've a couple of issues with it. Let me first say that I'm not a fan of an always online console and I think it would be a mistake on Microsoft's part to introduce this at the moment.

The used games issue - just because a console is "always online" does not mean it will not play used games. It is highly likely that if Microsoft do introduce an always online policy that used games will still be able to be played, especially with Sony confirmed PS4 will be able to play used games. Granted a more significant online pass will likely be implemented as it will be possible to detect used games, but to stop them all together will not happen.

You say 18 million buyers who are unable to connect to the internet may be turned towards Playstation 4 - we are 8 years into the life cycle of the Xbox360. It has take this amount of time to build up an install base of 76 million Xbox360's worldwide, so to say that 18 million people will not buy the next Xbox on launch day is a massive oversimplification. You are probably talking about 1-3 million maximum.

Also, if you looked at figures for the percentage of people connected with broadband in 2005 it would be much much less than the figures quoted in the above article, yet broadband at the time was required for Xbox Live, not dial-up. Fast forward to 2021 (8 years after the next Xbox is likely released) and it is highly likely there will be global satellite broadband available to the entire planet. To imply that these people will never have broadband is not true.

Again, I liked the article and agreed on most points, but you shouldn't try and push the issue where it shouldn't be.


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Comment #25 by DeadlySinz86
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 06:28:05 PM
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If Always-Online gets mentioned at the unveil, I'll happily jump ship to the PS4. Sony looks like it's been listening to what the consumer wants and isn't telling the consumer what it wants.

It's bad enough that you've got to pay £8 for Xbox Live Gold, then pay further subsciptions fee's to use services like LoveFilm and Netflix. These Services should be available across the board to everyone, Silver and Gold users combined. Microsoft are screwing people every way they can.


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Comment #26 by Spanish Assault
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 06:46:45 PM
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Can't you just make it that the game wont play ONLINE without a code? Most pirated games are online MP's like COD. SO what If I borrow my friends game to play the single player. Either way I'm probably done with video game consoles all together anyway.


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Comment #27 by smacd
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 06:49:10 PM
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I'm going with a wait and see approach. I don't really like a lot of what I've heard about both the next xbox or the ps4 (both official and rumor). I am going to let them say their piece, and wait around a year after they come out IF I decide either are worthy of my money. However at THIS point, I might just get a Wii U and say screw you to both Microsoft and Sony. If the Wii U ever gets any games.


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Comment #28 by Dragonmaster700
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 06:56:30 PM
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If they do this, I'm buying the PS4 first. I'll still get the Xbox eventually, but it wont be my main console anymore.


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Comment #29 by Mittens2317
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 07:10:32 PM
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In the event that Microsoft DO announce that the next Xbox will be online only, it'd be fucking BRILLIANT if there was just a mass walk-out and they end up doing some three hour presentation to the security guys.


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Comment #30 by DeakenBlack
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 07:10:39 PM
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What gaming publishers need to do is create a competitive market. If I walk into Gamestop, and they're selling Crackdown for $3.99 because no one wants it, then why would I go down the mall to the Microsoft store and buy it for $29.99. Maybe I'd get it new for $9.99, maybe. Also stop selling games for $59.99. Not all games are worth it. Stop tacking on some garbage multiplayer, and calling it worth the money. Like Tomb Raider. Say the budget went 33% to the multiplayer team. Cut out the multiplayer. Now you cut the budget down one third. Drop the price to $39.99 which is more worth it for a ten hour game, and I'd be willing to bet the sales go up 40-50% which would increase their prophet 7%-17% or perhaps more because the people not making the multiplayer, would be working on other titles.


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Comment #31 by addola
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 07:39:52 PM
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I don't know if this is a great idea.. just make a console that won't run backups (or pirated copies), and make sure it's not easily modded. Maybe make it a software mechanism and force users to update every month or two.


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Comment #32 by weaponxster
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 07:50:01 PM
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If they pull that crap I won't be purchasing the new console or two. Plus the umpteen games for it. It's plain and simple. Some people don't like to be told what they have to do. For example, ME. You tell me I have to have internet to play your games, I won't play your games. Granted online playing is fun. It's not the reason alot of people buy games. I can find alot of other stuff to use my money for. We shall see.


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Comment #33 by TheSilentAssassin
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 10:07:45 PM
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Great article. Some very compelling arguments indeed. I won't be buying a nextbox if it's always online.


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Comment #34 by Mrryan12
Tuesday, April 16, 2013 @ 11:12:13 PM
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I'd support always online, but instead of making everything work better, it will just pinch more pennies from us. MS, instead of finding ways to rip us off, why not intrigue us and make something worth spending the cash on? We wouldn't resort to pirating/ or just simply lending a game, if %90 of content wasn't overpriced.


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Comment #35 by Agent Mantis
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 03:00:25 AM
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83% of all people know you can use stats to prove anything! Joking aside the rumours about the new xbox is becoming increasingly worrying, rumours that M$ could of avoided if they just announced. The PS4 announced so it early it didn't even have a console to show! But consumers have an official line on what it will and won't do. If always online, mandatory kinect and the expected lack of new ips and exclusives is confirmed, I'm jumping ship.


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Comment #36 by Benmahalf X
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 03:49:19 AM
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@19 My thoughts exactly. Add to that the fact that many of the AAA titles have online achievements and you ONLY get a timestamp for an achievement while connected to the internet, the 360 has essentially become online-only.

Sure, you can play it offline, but if the PS3 can do a timestamp for trophies while offline, why can't the 360...?

OT: EXCELLENT article, extremely well written.

IF Microsoft is worried about pirates, I think they should continue their current strategy. They've banned modded consoles before, and if someone wants to mod their and play offline then that's their own business.

IF MS is worried about the used game market, then they need to work TOGETHER with Sony and Nintendo (OMG what a concept!) and deal with it like the music industry when they sued Napster. I think a percentage of used game sales SHOULD go back to the developer (more so than the publisher).

Again, I'm waiting until at least the end of 2014 before I even think about getting a new system.


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Comment #37 by Mike der Jack
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 08:30:19 AM
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You forgot the most important point: ADS!

By forcing consumers to be always online (+ rumors of kinect always connected), microsoft gets the most complete user information EVER. They could sell those for like any price they want.

So much money is made these days by selling user informations, so sure, MS wants it`s piece of the cake...


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Comment #38 by Miikesmama
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 08:39:21 AM
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Some thoughts:

1.) I'm older, my first console was the NES, and since then I always bought used games. When I'm really stoked for a new game I'll buy it day one for the full price, but today, in this economic climate, I just won't give them 60€ for simply everything.
It's simple: if you make a high quality game, you get the full price, if your game is "meh", you get "meh"-money.

2.) I understand the developers want to have a piece of the "used-game"-market, but they do already, that's why they invented online-passes (that you have to buy for 800-1200 MSP if you buy a game used), that's fair, isn't it? And also, if you buy a game used, like it a lot, or like it enough that you want to get 100% on the achievments, you still have to download costly DLCs. So the developers get enough money!

3.) In my experience there are far more downloading PC-gamers than XBOX/Playstation-gamers. So why are the console games ALWAYS more expensive than the PC versions?

4.) Also, what the hell do we pay XBOX live for? I pay my internet-provider for my connection, I pay the developer for the game, I paid MS for the console, so wtf is this shit? Why does MS has to charge it's costumers for something that both PC- and PS3-users get for free??

5.)If the new XBox will prevent used games to be played, just think about the thousands of people all over the world that work in Gamestores etc., that will ALL lose their jobs!

6)And if MS will claim the always on is merely for DRM reasons, and you actually CAN buy and play used games, don't believe them, for MS, "always online" is just the first foot in the door, you know it, I know it, let's not fool ourselves...

I mean micropayment, online-passes, on disc-DLCs that you have to buy, unfinished games with expensive season passes, paying for XBOX live... if I travelled back 10 years and would tell the gamers back then how their future would look like they...i don't know what they would do, they would probably think I am from a Back-to-the-future-2-Biff-controlled-parallel-universe...

But that's the world we live in right now. And only because we let these greedy companies do whatever they like.

For me it's clear: "Always on" - No buy. I like my 360 enough, and I think it's here to stay!


Somehow I have the feeling sometime in the future, the 360 will be considered like Windows XP, a classic standard, and the 720 seems to become like a shitty Windows Vista that no one will be satisfied with, and MS will quickly produce a successor for...

Just my 2 cents



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Comment #39 by Anna Sasin
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 09:19:07 AM
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There are actually a number of reasons that a massive corporation like Microsoft would be willing to go down this route and none of them involve caring about the customer.

1. Next Gen is actually current gen sure the games will be better but the tech can be found in most gaming pc rigs unlike when PS3 & 360 came out with Blu Ray and HD Drives. How would you take peoples attention away from this fact because I do not hear anyone talking about it anywhere.

2. DLC generates billions and 99% of it is coming from the 360 the Nextbox will initially produce a tiny fraction of this so how would you put a significant number of your customers off making a day one purchase of the exciting new console and keep them using 360 and buying DLC.

3. Publishers want these features

It seems that all decisions are being made for financial gain and not in the best interest of the consumer but by letting Sony launch first Microsoft can ensure their new console is better by raising specs.

I am not in any way defending the rumours but if it was my job to oversee the launch of the new console and I was a money grabbing corporate sack of poop then I would say everything is going just perfect.

Don't forget any time after launch restrictions can be lifted and apologies made then feeling smug from my moral victory I am supposed to rush out and buy the console. To be honest at that point I might but will you ?


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Comment #40 by Miikesmama
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 09:42:27 AM
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@39

If all publishers would stop producing 360 games right NOW, in my case my 360 would still have 2, 3 years of life left. I have currently over 20 games on my "to-play" list from Bayonetta to the Bioshock-Trilogy, the Mass Effect Trilogy, Sleeping Dogs, Grid 2, Far Cry 3 and so on, plus countless Arcade games, so I'm good for the next years, and I bet a lot of other gamers also have a couple of titles they still have to play, that are current-gen.

Graphics isn't everything, and my 360 suits me perfectly as it is. Also, I wouldn't buy a console on release, because of tech-problems (like the 360 had the first couple of years), because of the high price and because I don't see any game announced for the next-gen that I can not wait for (or: which won't be also released on the 360)

Your sentence: "It seems that all decisions are being made for financial gain and not in the best interest of the consumer" is, unfortunately, very true, and that's the exact reason why I think people should start thinking about boycotting the 720, when it's really going to be restricted to "always online"


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Comment #41 by Miikesmama
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 09:52:08 AM
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My dream- NeXtbox:

- has no Always-Online BS
- The whole Achievment-system copied exactly from the 360, with all achieved cheevos intact.
- has backward compability up to original Xbox games
- Lets us use 360 controllers
- has a BluRay-player
- and upgraded graphics

That's it. Really so hard to pull off?


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Comment #42 by Anna Sasin
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 10:05:53 AM
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@ 40

Totally agree with you as I a have 50+ title backlog to clear before I even think about putting aside my 360 and that's without going back and trying get the full 1000 GS on quite a few other titles.

Basically I think Microsoft are worrying without reason that we will give up our 360's in favour of the new console day one. Although I didn't go back and play many Xbox games when 360 came out I have invested too much in my 360 to just give up on it. Plus I really don't see their being a huge leap in graphics or game quality over what we have now.

The only other thing worth mentioning is that putting people off day one purchase also means less financial hit in the event of another RROD debacle


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Comment #43 by Xero Link
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 10:52:23 AM
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Something I don't believe a lot of people understand, from law makers to the corperate ceo, is that whatever you make or sell be it digital media or whatever people will find a way to steal it. Look at the 360. Microsoft I think first said that people would never be able to hack it....yet we had the issue a few years back on the JTAG boxes....just give up it ain't broke don't fix it already. You are hurting the honest players more than the moders ever do.


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Comment #44 by Johan
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 11:05:34 AM
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Has anyone thought of this:

what happens when the new consoles life is at an end and they stop the online functionality, can we just throw our games in the trashbin since we cant go online anymore and play them? (singleplayer)

not a good move this ,if this is what they are gonna do they lose my and a lot of others support.
Well ,still got my wii u and a PS4 if this is true.


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Comment #45 by Sanchezz4387
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 12:26:17 PM
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Well-known analyst Michael Pachter has explained his conclusion on GameTrailers' Bonus Round show that the Xbox 720 (or whatever it's called) will win the next-gen contest:

"The reason I think Microsoft wins, I think that you're going to get a subsidy. So I think the price for the next Xbox is going to be subsidised either by a cable TV company or an internet service provider. I think ISPs have a reason, if you add broadband to get the next Xbox, we'll give it to you for 100 bucks. If you subscribe to our cable TV and sign up for a couple of years, we'll give you the next Xbox for 100 bucks.

"That's a gigantic advantage until Sony picks up the slack and does the same kind of thing and that's why I think TV is a killer app. I think you're going to see Xbox Live with tiered pricing, so if you get TV service you pay a little more because you get rid of your cable box. If you use Skype, they'll give you unlimited Skype calling to any place, even phones, for another few bucks."

This console sounds dead before its even been released


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Comment #46 by xplanetpiscesx
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 12:46:24 PM
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A good read, and I agree with it, but really all this column does is continue to fuel the baseless rumours that the next Xbox will be "always online". Rumours are rumours, they are not based on fact. Microsoft has never issued a statement, in any form, that their next generation console will be "always online". It is pointless to get people riled up over speculation.

I choose to believe the latest leaks, which make infinitely more sense than the ridiculous "always online" rumours.

Microsoft will be showing two consoles at the May reveal. The main one will function exactly the same way as the current gen, and PS4 for that matter. It will have a disc drive, you'll be able to play games (and used games) offline with no internet connection, and all that good stuff. The second will be a cheapo $99 version with no drive and will require an internet connection to download games on demand and play them. The trade-off is you get a cheap console but will always have to purchase games online at full retail price (more or less).


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Comment #47 by MasterGazelle
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 01:35:23 PM
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@#21

[quote]...next thing you know you won't be able to use it at all unless you pay for a gold subscription, which is just daylight robbery anyway[/quote]

A bit like how you can't use Microsoft server software without paying for licenses for every machine you wish to have connected to the server. Plus I believe that now M$ require you to buy licenses for every machine in the same building, whether it's connected to the server or not.


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Comment #48 by a hippyslayer
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 02:05:51 PM
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What I love about this argument when sales numbers get thrown around is the number of consoles sold does not equal live connected users. Now when people want to bitch about xbox360 sales they say its too high due to RROD, but in this argument people don't want to factor that in at all. You can't have it both ways. If the average Xbox owner has owned 2 xboxs like the bitchers want you to believe, I would say the total number of Xbox live users are pretty close to the number of actual users. Obviously people with two or more accounts scew these numbers but I don't believe there are that many xboxs out there without ever having been internet connected.


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Comment #49 by Layzmaster
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 03:02:21 PM
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http://www.vgleaks.com/rumor-durango-leaks-analyzed-by-anonymous-source-pastebin-doc/

read that, should be posted on this site too


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Comment #50 by Dragonlightning
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 03:59:11 PM
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Why is everyone so focused on 1 rumoured feature. Even if it is true and the console needs an internet connection, nobody has any clue why or even how it works.

Microsoft isn't going to change their minds, what ever the reason for the feature (if its true) not at least until they explain things and people know enough to make an INFORMED DECISION. There are loads of ways a constant connection could be used and it might be tied to a particular feature that is optional. Besides most games are adding social features or save to the cloud, or are multiplayer and require a connection like they do now.

I do find it funny that people are saying they aren't going to get the next console and are going to go PC instead, especially since the only games that are online only right now are on the PC, and lets also not forget the most popular pc games like WoW and LoL or Team Fortress are all online only.


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Comment #51 by smacd
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 04:11:46 PM
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I've been thinking about this, and I've come to the conclusion that between paying for Live and this always-on requirement, the only way I'll buy one of these systems is if Microsoft provides always-on (not 99.999% on, but 100% on) internet service included with my xbox live subscription at no additional cost. Otherwise, hello Sony and Nintendo.


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Comment #52 by DecadentBeaver
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 06:08:40 PM
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I'll be staying with my 360 for a few years. I have plenty of games to work through, plus all the games that are gonna be going cheap, I'll be in my element boosting my GS even more. I really have given up being angry about the whole "always online" crap. Wait until there's an official announcement and then we will see who really jumps ship to Sony. I likely won't be buying another console in the future, as being a parent is more fun.


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Comment #53 by JohnDoeXX
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 07:41:03 PM
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To be very honest, i always keep my xbox360 online, but they should keep the door open for the players who doesn't want the online. My concert is more about the potential attack to crash the Microsoft server. Imagine, always online crash nobody can play any game...


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Comment #54 by ReiKaz
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 08:06:04 PM
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If it's gonna be "Always Online" - bye bye Xbox, i gonna buy PS4! So is not enougt play games with console and tv, stupid!


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Comment #55 by DraconicDa3mon9
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 08:17:30 PM
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@21,
Piracy only accounts for a very small percentage of the total 'lost revenue' that DRM is meant to counteract. Most companies are well aware of this.

Piracy is naught more than a patsy; weakly framed, but widely accused.

@50,
Don't be a dumbass. "Always-Online" is defined herein: "If you go offline, you're done. Your internet went out? Too bad. Your ISP is having issues? Tough shit. You're only playing single-player? Fuck you!" This is what people are worried about; if a console prevents people from being able to access the game, because their internet connection isn't enabled (or has just been disabled via power outage, issues with the ISP, etc.) then why bother getting the game?
This affects gamers with Solo play most of all; but, this currently affects people in normal multi-player games (like CoD, or so on) because they're suddenly disconnected. But, this is usually a very short and temporary issue. Imagine if it weren't; imagine that your internet was just disabled because your ISP is running some kind of maintenance. Now, imagine that you'd normally just pop in some single-player game and keep on rockin'. But, you're looking at the screen, and suddenly you see "Unable to connect to Live servers. Console shutting down." You try to play the game again; and again you receive an error. Your ISP does not complete their maintenance for 24 hours. What do you do?
That is why consoles should never be always-online.
And, as for World of Warcraft, League of Legends, and Team Fortress: Do you understand the term "MMO"? I'll explain it. "MMO" stands for "Massively Multiplayer Online"; it means the game is an online game, and people purchase it solely for the multiplayer functionality.
I was an avid WoW player, and I've played LoL as well. I played them BECAUSE they were online, but I play games for consoles because I don't have to be.


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Comment #56 by Ministry4390
Wednesday, April 17, 2013 @ 09:17:27 PM
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@17

The game has sold 5.8 million total. That means more than 1 out of every 7 people who played the game stole it. That's not a "very small portion." Those stolen copies were worth over $53 million.


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Comment #57 by Fire Hawk D
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 12:42:26 AM
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Still not giving any merit to rumors. And, since it would be corporate suicide and Microsoft has better sense than that, I don't believe it'll come to pass.

Good read, though. =D


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Comment #58 by tasteslikepain
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:41:14 AM
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I think everyone's forgetting that the PS3 service went down for ages, that's why we pay. We also have intercompatability with other devices such as phones, tablets and PC's


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Comment #59 by Miikesmama
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 01:17:20 PM
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#58 do you really believe that the guys who hacked into Sony (and the FBI, and the Pentagon etc) couldn't hack into MS??
It was coincidence that Sony was hacked, next time it could as well be Microsoft.

Speaking of hacking: Besides "always online" I wouldn't want a build-in Kinect either! I play from the same couch me and my gf have sex in, sometimes even during gaming ;-) Who can guarantee that we won't find a Kinect-recorded video of us (or me scratching my balls or somethimg) on Youporn or any of these great sites? Believe me, NO ONE would want that to happen! :-)

But basically Kinect is a camera that could record as long the XBOX is connected to power, I am absolutely sure there are people out there whose idea of fun is to hack into these systems and watch us through KInect (and "always on" just helps them with that!)...


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Comment #60 by andrewnungester
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 01:51:47 PM
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id be a PS4 gamer if they did do this


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Comment #61 by mjc0961
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:08:27 PM
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@7: Read the article. How fast your internet connection is doesn't mean shit if Xbox Live is down. A good internet connection didn't help anyone who bought SimCity, Diablo 3, or any of Ubisoft's games because the problem was not on the consumer's end, it was on the publisher's end. You can have the best internet connection in the universe and you still won't be playing any always online stuff if the server you're trying to connect to is down.

I'm really fucking sick of people defending always online by saying "I'll get better internet" or "I have good internet so it's fine". Wake the fuck up, the issue isn't personal internet connections. It's that the publishers can't even keep their own DRM working properly so that paying customers can play.


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Comment #62 by Klebo
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 06:22:14 PM
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I have never been a person to really play online unless I am in the mood for some Halo MP or Minecraft. Other than that I play PC games really. An always online console would just not be worth my time or money and well PS4 will have some titles I really want to get my hands on so Sony will definitely get a sale from me! I hope Microsoft do turn around and say it was all a rumor and it won't be "Always Online" but I have my doubts somewhat!


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Comment #63 by JJUUMMBBO Sah
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 07:27:58 PM
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With most of the news and rumors I am hearing about the new console (always online, Kinect 2.0, and some strange virtual child avatar you have to interact with?) it is making me thing more and more that I am going to be sticking with my 360 for quite a while longer.


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Comment #64 by Akira_Katayama
Thursday, April 18, 2013 @ 11:58:18 PM
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If always online becomes a reality.. well then WiiU will be my only next gen sytem.


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Comment #65 by Krisko Disko
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 12:12:06 AM
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I keep hearing complaints about always-online, but my bigger concern is backwards compatibility with my 360 games. I've got WELL over the average 9 games, and I'd hate for those to become expensive coasters.


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Comment #66 by MasterfulMoose
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 03:02:04 AM
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I guess it just doesn't make sense to me for a home console to follow the same route as certain PC games, like Diablo 3. Even if you want to play single-player, you have to be connected to the internet. It's terribly flawed. Terribly. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy Diablo 3. But having to ALT-tab out of the game to make sure my internet is still clocking along and I won't lose a connection gets really, really old.

Honestly, I almost prefer the Online Pass functionality to being "Always Online," because then you use your code only if you want to use the online features like multiplayer. If you don't want to experience that aspect of a game, you don't have to. And then they could make Online Passes available to people who buy the game used, preferrably--but not likely--for only like, $5; assuming the used copy doesn't come with an unused code. I've bought several games used with registration codes on a website or even extra little DLC bonuses that hadn't been used yet, so it's not too terribly uncommon.

Penalizing solo console gamers like myself (who are more than willing to buy games new) because some douchenozzle decided to go pirate some games for the PC or something doesn't make any sense. Even from a business standpoint, Microsoft stands to lose more money than they'll gain, simply because it's not what people want with a home console. With the PS4 refusing to give into this weird DRM craze, I can see quite a bit of people eventually jumping ship, if they don't switch over instantly. I'm holding off judgment for now myself, but I really do hope some of these rumors turn out to just be nasty rumors.


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Comment #67 by DougTheJoker
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 12:22:30 PM
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Who really cares about the game sales for GoW3 anyways?


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Comment #68 by W1cked Seraph
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 07:55:37 PM
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I really hope they dont do this. When sony announced PS4 and said all the shit about not being backwards compatible i got rid of it and went back to xbox thinking that the chances of microsoft doing anything worth than that was nearly impossible. This will make me have to flog myself if it is true.


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Comment #69 by Wing X Custom
Friday, April 19, 2013 @ 10:37:47 PM
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Well, somebody had to say it. Bravo.


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Comment #70 by leper33
Saturday, April 20, 2013 @ 07:22:32 AM
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It is articles like this that make this my most viewed website. Kudos guys. Intelligent and well written.


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Comment #71 by TheQuiff
Saturday, April 20, 2013 @ 08:44:48 AM
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@66: Well said , with some excellent points.

Also, excellent use of the word "douchenozzle".


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Comment #72 by atryeu
Saturday, April 20, 2013 @ 12:33:32 PM
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To add to your "pitfalls" and listings of the broadband, note the percentage. Not everybody has access still. I'm here in Washington state and have NO broadband access and no future possibilities for it as far as the phone company keeps telling every month when I call to complain. Satellite is not even an option due to trees in my area.

If this is the case with the next xbox, not that I can afford it anyway, I won't be wasting any money on something I can't even use.


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Comment #73 by deluxnugs
Saturday, April 20, 2013 @ 04:29:57 PM
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i will not buy 2(my son and i both)consoles next gen if we cant share our games.They should be happy that gears has %50 more players than sales.thats %50 more people to buy future titles.


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Comment #74 by xxxSniper0xxx
Saturday, April 20, 2013 @ 09:30:55 PM
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@2 Why would you pre-purchase something that hasn't been announced and has no specs whatsoever?


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Comment #75 by mugginyouoff
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 08:15:54 AM
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You can't stop piracy, they will just find another way


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Comment #76 by MilezDawg
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 11:15:22 AM
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I have lived by myself now for the past 2 years, I pay all my bills, no one helps me, I don't have a mommy and daddy to run to fix my problems.
So long story short I don't always have the extra money to keep my Internet going just like the first 2 weeks of April, I didn't have Internet but I could still play all my games on my 360, this is what I've come to expect.
I have already decided to ditch Microsoft and go back to Sony just due to these pressing rumors. They might be true and they might not but Sony I believe have already stated the PS4 won't have to be always online. I've been gamming since 1988, got my first NES in August of that year and I've been hooked since. I don't need and I don't want a console that has to be always online. Microsoft is losing a customer in myself who spends roughly $500-$750 a year, sometimes more on their products and I know there are plenty of people out there like myself. I have to look out for number 1 and I guess that is what Microsoft is doing, but they are a bussiness and Im the consumer. I want to spend my hard earned money on a company that still cares about people like myself and right now Sony seems to be the company that wants my bussiness. Even if these rumors turn out to be false I have still been rubbed the wrong way buy all this always online new XBOX's.
Goodbye XBOX and Microsoft and hello again Sony and PS3/PS4, MilezDawg missed you.


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Comment #77 by DLAROC
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 08:50:59 PM
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I don't believe that Microsoft is going to actually make it online only. There are a few possibilities though. Maybe they will have a separate system that will be cheaper but require online connectivity to work? Maybe since there's been talk of the new Xbox connecting with your cable, that's what they mean by always connected? They already charge us to play online, why would they force us to have to be online? Maybe they're going to eliminate Xbox gold if there is Online only? Idk, I just know that if they do it, Sony is going to make a ton more money. It just doesn't make sense business wise for Microsoft.


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Comment #78 by DLAROC
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 08:53:06 PM
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But I also read that the online only will stop used games and that will cause more devs to make games for Xbox because they will profit more. That would be a sin.


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Comment #79 by Fheran
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 10:12:06 PM
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9 games in a collection? I think most people here have way more than that (myself included).


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Comment #80 by bLaKgRaVy
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 11:01:39 PM
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18 million sales lost x $500 (the rumored price) = 9 BILLION dollars in lost revenue for Microsoft alone, not to mention the hundreds of millions of dollars lost by developers for having to actually make quality games that people will buy. If I have to buy my games new all the time and used games are out, I’m going to be *very* selective with what I buy. They better be pretty damn good if I'm going to spend my $70 on them (again, the rumored price of games on the new system). No more Avatar’s or Aliens: Colonial Marines or Duke Nukem’s or King Kong’s or any of the other 500 shit game that’s on the 360. Who’s gonna buy them? Suckers, that’s who. Gonna see a lot of THQ’s happening in the next few years…

Maybe that's chump change for them, maybe not. But that's how much they wouldn't get if this was an "always-online" system where you couldn't play it at all if you weren't online. For me, if it affects how I can use the console that I will potentially purchase, then I simply won’t purchase it.

My only concerns for this new system are playing games offline and playing used games. Backwards compatibility, I’ll just have my 360 connected if I want to play a 360 game and transfer my profile (if that’s allowed). If the new system can all three, then I’ll consider buying it, but later on. There’s still a ton of life left in my 360.


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Comment #81 by capirus
Sunday, April 21, 2013 @ 11:25:54 PM
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Of all the people who suffer from an always-online gaming platform, I think of soldiers first. They get bored too.

The problem with anyone reporting how much money they lost to pirating is that they report it on how many times the file (or files) were downloaded, not by how many copies were made. If you made a game (for the sake of argument you made "Gang Hoes and the Gardening Bros.") and you managed to produce 700,000 copies of the game and sell 500,000 copies, then that's not bad for an indie developer. But if the torrent for the game was downloaded 890,000 times, surely you lost money right? If "Gang Hoes etc..." sold at $50 a pop (after licensing fees) then you lost $44.5 million. Except that you didn't. You only produced an extra 200,000 copies so you lost $10 million...if you don't ever sell the left over copies (which most of them you will at reduced rates). You do lose money to piracy but not the billions people claim.

Availability is another issue that causes those who can't purchase the game legally to download it. Then they get comfortable with that idea and stick to piracy. Want to stop piracy? Change the disk format to one that multimillion dollar corporations could afford to mass produce, but fourteen dudes in Turkey would have to stop eating forever just to get the equipment needed.


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Comment #82 by Cl Chaos
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 06:04:15 AM
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having it always on is such a bad idea as well as banning used games what if i buy a game and my friend isnt sure if he wants to buy it so i lend it to him to try out first or if i go to my friends house with a game that has split screen to play with him on his xbox we are boned cuz we cant play


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Comment #83 by TheInventinator
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 06:33:04 AM
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not without its problems


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Comment #84 by NonExistent God
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 03:24:31 PM
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I honestly can't think of a reason why Microsoft would do this...


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Comment #85 by bomber127
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 05:07:40 PM
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my isp is very reliable. so that's only a minor issue of being unable to play if there is an outage. my major concern(spoiler for insane conspiracy theory) no doubt every console will be sold with a inferred camera(Kinect) which will also always have to be attached and on. the information gained from that... ie what I eat/drink while playing or watching tv movies, how many people in my home watch what and there oprx. age and gender. that info is far more valuable than the lost numbers mentioned in this piece. it is well written and welcomingly free of nerdrage.


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Comment #86 by PC_GFWL_GAMER
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 05:38:28 PM
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If MS do this its no big deal as long as the always online DRM is just to bind & activate the content to your gamertag once its activated no big deal give us an offline mode like Steam has after you played the game online once. Sooner or later all games will be online only in one form or another to limit piracy its inevitable already MS are using cloud saves which are online only AFAIK this is the next step. The publishers are concerned about piracy & used games having some form of online only DRM is the only way to limit this.


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Comment #87 by synchro
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 06:18:51 PM
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if ANY game/console is forced online i simply will not buy it.
if the next xbox is forced online i'll be upgrading my PC with a new powerful PSU and grfx card so i can play games i WANT rather than what i'm forced to atm w my xbox cos i cannot afford to upgrade my PC. console games are limited to FPS or 3rd person w no decent PROPER real time strategy/tactics.

so, in a way, i HOPE they make it perm. online.. cos then i'm FORCED to use a PC and not bother w the mountains of dross FPSs & 3rd person shooters i've become so bored with.

also, i rarely buy new. i cannot afford it.
this always online thing would surely screw up MS! WOOHOO! I HOPE SO!!!


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Comment #88 by SatNiteEduardo
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 07:30:03 PM
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Rod Fergusson is a muppet. Second time I have seen him say something that shows he has no idea. The reason why there were 50% more users than sales was partly due to split screening and the fact it is safer to do with a second account than a guest. Sure there is also piracy but this guys simply does not udnerstand what is out there.


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Comment #89 by Ninja Sandman
Monday, April 22, 2013 @ 09:50:26 PM
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microsoft is burying themselves in this shit. hurry up and make an official announcement so we can cover the hole already its getting really stinky.


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Comment #90 by Ethereal235
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 12:02:31 AM
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Most of the games you can download directly off of Live immediately kick you after 15 minutes. This can be a huge pain in the ass if you're trying to play when a big snowstorm had taken out the cable (and, by proxy, the phone and internet), which isn't all that uncommon. It'd basically mean you have even less ways to alleviate boredom during times where there isn't much you can do.

If it's always-on, I'm abandoning Xbox in favor of Playstation, or just holding off on consoles altogether until they inevitably reverse such a stupid fucking decision.


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Comment #91 by thenewpeter
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 03:05:13 AM
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A console that use's an always online feature wont work. There's no other way to put it, it just simply wouldn't work.
It wouldn't be in working condition on day 1 sales, I can guarantee that, but the biggest issue is that it'd create a worthless hole in the gaming market. You pay to rent a game as long as that service is up, what what'd happen in 10-20 years, when the service stops? Allot of gamers wouldn't care and would likely have moved on, but you're collection suddenly becomes worth nothing, you're console becomes as useful as a literal brick, and nothing more.

The truth is, video gaming wouldn't be half of what it is without the pre-owned market here, something that some developers fight, but it's the very thing that helped it to grow :/ think of every game you've bought, that you liked, pre owned, then carried on buying the other games in the series because it was a good game?
I did that with dead space (as an example off the top of my head) though missed Dead Space 3, but I wouldn't of bought 2 if I hadn't bought the original first. Not to mention the fact that gaming isn't just something for those with throw away money, my gaming collection is worth, probably about £500 ish in total, not all that much, sure, because it's not that big of a collection, but if everyone of those console's needed an always online connection, then it's be worth nothing, because not a single one of those games could be played again.

It just amaze's me that Microsoft didn't nip this rumour in the butt when they fired that creative director, not saying anything has actually made things worse, getting people allot more worried about what's to come, that he'd actually just spoke out about things sooner then he was meant to simply. Maybe it's all rumour at the end of the day, but it stands that this treatment by Microsoft to it's customers is appalling, an issue as big as this, needs to be addressed very quickly after it's gets noticed by the majority, which it very clearly has with that creative director fiasco.


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Comment #92 by xrachee
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 03:08:18 AM
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I can understand wanting to combat pirating, but really, there's enough people buying the games out there to allow the gaming developers/companies stay afloat? And to combat second hand games... Find I'll deal with that - though most of my games are secondhand and then I just buy any extra dlc so I can do what I want with the game. But always on, really? When I moved house, I spent the best part of a week offline, playing whatever games I could to pass the time until I could get back online. If they go for the "always-online" thing, then I won't be buying the next gen. It's stupid, my internet cuts me off enough as it is, and if the console automatically shuts down after 3 minutes, gaming on it will not be fun, more of a stress thing - hoping that you don't lose an internet connection.
So it's stupid to go this way, they'll loose more than they'll gain from it.


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Comment #93 by Nutty Scouser
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 04:17:58 AM
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First of all lets wait till they say what this console is and about, could be all stressing if not.....

But if this is to be true......

MicroSoft you have just commited console suicide for sure......


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Comment #94 by thenewpeter
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 04:20:33 AM
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@92, a week? Lol, try being in my boots, Microsoft have screwed up the proofs on my account, I can still log in fine ect everywhere, but on my xbox, I can't connect to xbox live at all on my xbox, I need to buy a new xbox and hard drive just to play online where I am atm. The only fix's for this, involve me possibly loosing everything, without a way to retrieve it, I'll be waiting until I move back home, it still works there for some reason, but that's about 2 months total I'll be without live, if this was next gen where something like this happened, it'd mean you would just loose everything.

What I'm experiencing is a prime example of why always online will not work.


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Comment #95 by The False Deity
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 02:03:45 PM
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Will suck if its always online...internet goes down to often :/


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Comment #96 by AceOneZero
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 @ 06:31:07 PM
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I personally would not want an always online console I have and play plenty of solo games and if they didn’t work ugh… and just look at what happened with Diablo 3 when it came out it was a pain in the ass when the internet got interrupted tuff luck that’s why kids crunched 72-96 hours strait playing to lvl up fast and some kid even Died.


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Comment #97 by NFP911
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 @ 08:20:35 AM
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wont buy if its always online simply as that. There are lots of reasons for internet to be going down/not available at all (moving houses). Then why i should pay top dollar for hardware i cant use always? If they drop the price to 50$ then im going to rethink about it. Same for a game why am i supposed to pay 60$ for a game if i cant play when i want to?


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Comment #98 by xD Rick
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 @ 08:27:25 AM
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I want to see these asses that are saying "I don´t mind always online... mimimi...." say it when you´re spending 1,5~2 hours playing to unlock an achievement and then the internet goes down!
No to mention the possibilities regarding unlocking an achievement in these 3 minutes "no internet detected" and all the glitches it will cause.
Anyway, If M$ does this shit, I´ll just buy only a PS4 and be happy with it. I have a lot o fun playing both 360 and PS3. I priorize my 360, but I´m one of those who does not have a good internet, let alone it being unstable...
So, they counting me off, as I will count them next gen.


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Comment #99 by macd
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 @ 08:38:08 AM
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This generally punishes the people who don't pirate their games more though. If someone cracks the nature of the activation codes, it is of no issue to pirates but still fucks up the gaming of a lot of the gamers who happily pay their money to get their games.

My internet is good enough, but it isn't irregular for it to shut off for a few minutes until you can reset the box or whatever. Sometimes that takes 5 or more minutes all in.The weekend FF13-2 was released in the UK, my internet cut out until Richard Branson bothered to send an engineer. I don't mind playing offline but tbh since I couldn't get on Steam either (to activate offline mode, you need to be online...) meant I was limited to just 360. If this had been blocked I'd have not liked it. If MS do this, I'll be voting with my wallet against this.


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Comment #100 by RDrules
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 @ 05:58:05 PM
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i have to actually questoion the math here because in a couple of places it seems a lot better than it is by your which already looks bad...

first the gears of war thing because this annoyed the hell out of me when they first mentioned it, 50% more gamers than bought the game is RIGHT its normal, the games bloody 2 player local coop for starters so theres potential for 100% right there then theres multiple gamertags to one console that can play online separately (Like we do) so theres a chance for an exponential number of additional players there, when you take away the ones that play alone and the ones that play their games to their own tags 50% would be pretty much on the money without any piracy

plus their statistics are in no way reliable to begin with due to not everyone using the internet...

"76 million Xbox 360s Microsoft has sold so far, around 18.24 million of them are not connected."

thsi ones even worse aswell when you consider the numbers and where they come from due to the fact again theres multiple account holders to single machines, multiple machines per household etc etc without knowing where tehir data comes from its hard to comment but if its number of accounts active vs number of consoles sold then the loss could be a lot bigger, if theyre actually tracking consoles then it could be closer but theres no way to tell how many people own multiple consoles on the internet and ones that have broken down etc


so those stats could be really far off the mark and it could be even worse than you predict


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Comment #101 by demon2236
Thursday, April 25, 2013 @ 06:03:55 AM
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i microsof go with always on or the console wont work it's going to bye bye MS. hello Playstation


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Comment #102 by Mittens2317
Thursday, April 25, 2013 @ 06:33:26 AM
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@55: This. I frequently download pirated games to test out my GPU. If it isn't up to the task, I buy it for the 360. If it is, I buy it for the PC. And a lot of the time games are illegally downloaded to extract textures for use in mods for other games.

There's this whole misconception that video game pirates are industry-destroying dick eds who don't spend a penny on their games, when in fact they've invested much more than the average/casual user.

Even half the guys currently in the industry have pirated shit, mostly 3D modelling software and game engines, but they often don't like talking about that, do they?

No, piracy is just a scapegoat for the entertainment industry, and an excuse for them to jack up the prices and restrict the consumer's freedom to do what they wish with the product that they have bought.


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Comment #103 by HypnoticTrance
Thursday, April 25, 2013 @ 08:32:47 AM
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I hope they are just rumors as well. I have always been a devoted Xbox fan, but I can't see how they'll be able to compete with the new Playstation IF the rumors are true. I'll even switch myself if I have to be connected online and/or can't play used games.


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Comment #104 by Ostrowski
Thursday, April 25, 2013 @ 01:34:58 PM
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Now I don't find it fair if it is online only. Just because I know people that love playing Xbox but they don't care for the use is xbl so why pay for it. Now this doesn't bother me due to my Xbox is never used unless I'm connected to xbl. But for other people this is going to suck lol


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Comment #105 by Jump Joker
Friday, April 26, 2013 @ 01:24:26 AM
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Honestly it would not surprise me if they went online always. If you doubt me, take a look at Office 2013. There are no disc versions. Everything is a direct download via trial or keycard and REQUIRES creating a Microsoft account tied with a verifiable email. I work in retail electronics and while people fume about it a little, I've yet to see someone refuse to buy it because of it.


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Comment #106 by rng cougar
Friday, April 26, 2013 @ 11:10:13 AM
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They just don't understand the basic logic among the talk and statistics so perhaps a new approach so they can understand. Microsoft I propose a question. If a well-known car company manufactures a new car with all of the latest tech and safety features and has amazing m.p.g. BUT the car does not work outside of the states touching the eastern coast of America,do you think that the rest of the country or people around the world will ever purchase this car?


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Comment #107 by demon2236
Friday, April 26, 2013 @ 12:20:38 PM
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@106

that's a good point also sooner or later every isp will have
faults that will last more than an hour so the console won't
work if sony wait for release of the xbox to go all ways on then have theirs normal they can collect a couple of million more customers when the new xbox flops big time.


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Comment #108 by Nevander
Friday, April 26, 2013 @ 05:08:28 PM
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The best console is one that improves upon the last, so far I am not seeing improvement.


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Comment #109 by agent47ish
Friday, April 26, 2013 @ 11:57:16 PM
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with a 170,ooo Gamerscore countless dlc and arcade purchases they should know I will be buying a ps4 if they implement always online in anyway..ive always hated games that tac on a crappy multiplayer just so they can say we have multiplayer... I hate admitting it but I might be buying a ps4 only way to make sure is watch that day in may- they better clarify this


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Comment #110 by Jstone2010
Sunday, April 28, 2013 @ 04:01:37 PM
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I have been trying to convince my friend for weeks that this isn't true. There is no way they would discriminate against people who don't have/ want Internet. Not to mention parents who don't want their kids online.


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Comment #111 by I Like Sheep
Sunday, April 28, 2013 @ 07:13:39 PM
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I never owned the original xbox (I had a PS2 instead), but i got the 360 somewhere around when it came out. A few red rings here and there but nothing too bad.

I do really like the 360, it's a great system and it's come along way and for me, it is quality. But more and more recently the 360 has been telling me what I want...and I do not like that shit at all. I'm the kind of guy who will not want that which one TELLS me I want. Microsoft is seemingly becoming more and more guilty of this and it's ridiculous. All these updates for apps i don't fucking want. Stop trying to be Apple for fuck's sake. You're Microsoft, get over it. I already can't play some Games on Demand if my connection is off. Why? I paid for them and they're mine... let me fucking play them bitch.

Microsoft - Stop thinking either a) That you know what the consumer wants
or b) That you care
You don't care, and you don't know shit. Give me quality and I will PAY YOU. Give me shit and I WON'T (to be clear, DRM = Shit).

In the end, it's all speculation and rumors. Do what you want... you obviously will. BUT let's just say Sony is chilling in Japan hoping to their Gods that you fuck up - and you know exactly what you need to do to make their wildest dreams come true.

Do it Microsoft, I DARE you.


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Comment #112 by Hudson888
Monday, April 29, 2013 @ 06:30:40 AM
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Ultimately I think they want to do it to stop piracy, but games can still be pirated. So the people who actually lose out are the honest ones, who actually paid for the game.


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Comment #113 by ajennice
Monday, April 29, 2013 @ 05:09:42 PM
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This article made SO much sense that MS will 100% have always on included. MS never bows down to rational thinking!!!!!


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Comment #114 by ruck0
Monday, April 29, 2013 @ 09:32:34 PM
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Think everyone is getting to bent over this topic. The 360 is technically always connected and if that's what MS is trying to say then no big deal. BUT if it needs Internet to boot into the OS, then FAIL and I can't see MS making that disaster.

Or are they treating this like an mmo game / system that has daily updates then FAIL. Not trying to make judgement until they announce what exactly it is, IMO a lot of people will be looking at alternate gaming systems if MS destroys online and achievements with these rumors.


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Comment #115 by Hurricane Of 87
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 @ 11:14:20 AM
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The fact that not one person has suggested a possible answer to "What player benefits can come of this?" has to say sometime about this feature, right?

Hopefully MS will be telling me why I NEED THIS IN MY LIFE at the end of May, but I'm not seeing it. Yet. Possible question mark.


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Comment #116 by gazmaster1
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 @ 12:17:59 PM
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After nearly 2 months of being offlne due to moving into a new build house and waiting for my services to be installed which meant having the pavement dug up etc... I speak from personal experience. If having a console that only works when connected to the internet is that important to MS then let them go ahead and shoot themselves in the foot as it will cut out a large proportion of people who are not online or have a gb limit per month. I for one will not be buying into it if this is the case but lets see what happens, it may just be rumor mongering for the sake of rumor mongering.


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Comment #117 by RDrules
Wednesday, May 01, 2013 @ 09:41:26 PM
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@114 the 360 is in no way always on, my 360 is on when i feel like downloading something otherwise its never on

you like all the so called professionals that comment on this seem to have mistaken always on for having an online feature, always on means that part of the software s stored on a server so you have to have an internet connection to use it at all not that it has features that need the internet

if you dont have the internet you cant use it, that is what always on means that it has to ALWAYS be on


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Comment #118 by TheWeasel
Thursday, May 02, 2013 @ 07:20:25 PM
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the 2 things that would cause me to not buy the next xbox are the always online crap, and if the kinect is part or the console rather than an editional piece like it is on the 360.


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Comment #119 by ReezyJeezy
Thursday, May 02, 2013 @ 10:08:50 PM
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Microsoft would be more foolish to not allow used games


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Comment #120 by VAULT BOY 3D
Friday, May 03, 2013 @ 06:17:13 AM
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If it's just a one time activation code for games I'm fine with that (although this would still piss off people without internet full stop) as I would OWN THE GAMES I'VE PAID FOR.
However, always online you're just RENTING games until they end the consoles service, much like PS Plus with their free games. In this case I would still buy the new xbox but I would never pay full price for a game ever again. And more than likely I would game more often on a different console.
As for anyone who's upset about all the extra services and apps on the 360 or new xbox... THEY'RE OPTIONAL. I rarely use any apps, but I'm glad they are there should I feel like using them one day. People are silly to think there will just be a "games" console ever again in the future. It would be a step backwards now. I'm sure they have all the same stuff on PS and Wii U and probably handhelds too if not now then soon enough. And to think 7 years ago we paid the same price for gold membership for what? to play online, a few arcade games and game trailers every month. Back then I'm sure I wasn't the only one complaining there wasn't more on offer.

My biggest concern for the new xbox is having exclusives to match Sony's. I hope they surprise me come the 21st. Durango unchained. Peace


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Comment #121 by xYuki
Friday, May 03, 2013 @ 09:12:52 AM
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This console will not sale if it's Online only.


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Comment #122 by francisrossi
Friday, May 03, 2013 @ 06:10:30 PM
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@19 - Not only is internet not free, far too many ISPs have pitiful usage allowances. Good luck going online once your 1 gig a month limit's up. All the internet you need...


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Comment #123 by Daniel55645
Friday, May 03, 2013 @ 08:42:48 PM
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i hate every rumour so far. the achievement restruct, the always online. everything is making this xbox sound terrible


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Comment #124 by Slayinfool
Saturday, May 04, 2013 @ 09:03:22 AM
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I lose connections daily, so it would be a nightmre for me.


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Comment #125 by Suki
Sunday, May 05, 2013 @ 07:16:59 AM
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if all the above is true its simple the new xbox will fail and cost MS and games devs billions however it would seem lots of ppl me included will move to the PS4 making that that main player for the next 6-10 years and back to the pecking order wen the dreamcast was released. if ms make theses bad announcements this month they are beyond stupid becasue if they reverse the bad decisions in the future its to late we will all of got into bed with the ps4.


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Comment #126 by Suki
Sunday, May 05, 2013 @ 07:23:45 AM
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i have almost a 300,000 gs and tons of games dlc etc... which i feel MS thinks they can hold over ppl like me, they r mad i will jump ship in a second to PS4 my GS means nothing its just a number. MS better wise up before they make the biggest mistake in there history, they have a huge market share against PS and are about to lose it.


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Comment #127 by AbSoLuTSYnYsTAR
Sunday, May 05, 2013 @ 11:04:28 AM
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I just moved into the country and now have sat. Internet. I now cannot play cod or halo online anymore or dl arcade titles which is a big pain. I have no idea what's new or released and I am an arcade junkie. I can still get updates for all games but other than that, Xbox live is useless so I let my gold membership run out. Being online is fun and offers up endless opportunities to meet and play with ppl from all over but now I cannot do this. If Xbox does change to always connected than they will be effectively be shutting the doors on me which hurts because I have invested many hours and dollars into their products. Not everyone buys games to play online but now I don't have a choice...wonder if you would even be able to transfer all your arcade titles to the new console? Don't make me me have to make a decision based on the fact I live on a 20 acre horse farm and do not get high speed Internet...we all have money to spend and whoever caters to me best will get it. Do the right thing ms, let sleeping dogs lie.


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Comment #128 by Dazz
Monday, May 06, 2013 @ 01:52:54 PM
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I don't mind if it's Online Only.

My 360 is always connected to the internet anyway and I regularly buy another 12 months of Gold access when it runs out. I barely play consoles, especially in the past 12 months when I've had even less time to play but online only isn't a bother at all.

The only way it could hurt me is if I can't play games owned by relatives that I don't wish to purchase myself but if that's the case then I generally tend to only buy games I like the look of anyway and end up enjoying them so even if my current 360 collection is small and lacking blockbuster titles, again, no bother. I'll just stick to the few games I know I'll like (Dynasty Warriors, a Dante's Inferno sequel hoopefully, Arkham games).

If I was forced to buy another console for any reason in protest (which is silly but lets say I was someone who complained about the Online Only for whatever ridiculous reasons they have for bitching), I'd prefer to stick to the Wii U than buy the Sony Blu Ray 4.


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Comment #129 by artphobia
Tuesday, May 07, 2013 @ 07:46:35 PM
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Ninjabee wanys to know what you think also http://blog.ninjabee.com/2013/05/questions-that-count-online-only.html


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Comment #130 by grazza187
Wednesday, May 08, 2013 @ 04:08:17 PM
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Apparently not always online ....
http://www.inquisitr.com/650433/xbox-720-always-online-rumor-debunked/

Why would MS send such a memo to the people working on the new xbox ?
You will notice the terms like "expect" and "‘just work’ regardless of their current connection status". Surely the people working on the project should know this already?, seems to me as though they really had planned to use the DRM but decided better of it following the ensuing backlash!


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Comment #131 by FalconSAE1890
Thursday, May 09, 2013 @ 12:34:27 PM
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This wouldn't be good for anybody. I see almost no positives for the individual. This was a very well written article though and provided a bunch of useful information


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Comment #132 by Fridgeater
Thursday, May 09, 2013 @ 09:12:59 PM
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When I hear about the always on rumours (particularly when they say you wouldn't be able to do anything at all without a net connection) I always think about when I move house. I mean it can take up to 3 weeks to get a net connection in the UK... So I that time I wouldn't be able to play any games? How ridiculous.
I've also been reading something about the Xbox life subscription fee's coud be £15 a month. I pay less for my actual Internet!

If they do this I'm upgrading my pc to become a gaming rig.


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Comment #133 by Tyger7
Friday, May 10, 2013 @ 08:14:37 PM
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Haha, it really doesn't do anything. It's not like those 800+ thousand people will suddenly have money or want to buy the games. They will just move on to something else. Just because you add security doesn't meant people will suddenly just give in and buy. Whatever stops them from purchasing (not enough money, bad morals, etc) will keep them from buying. Maybe a few will but not enough to make the 25% that don't connect online suffer.


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Comment #134 by howling crazy
Saturday, May 11, 2013 @ 09:44:34 AM
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I'm glad the leaked info regarding it not being online has leaked it gives us gamers hope. Thankfully the reveal is not so far away it will be interesting to see If it is and how many gamers they will lose .


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Comment #135 by DonMoriarty
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 @ 05:18:08 PM
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More than half the time I play, it is offline single player now, because I just want to be left alone to enjoy my game without 10-15+ people on my friend list messaging me to go play CoD or Dead Island or something. Plus, sometimes my internet connection hiccups for more than those 3 minutes because of how many people in my house use their laptops. (rare, but happens)

I mostly use my PS3 for the movies, so that is shoved online for my Netflix, Neon Alley, and CrunchyRoll. The only reason I have them both is because they have different games and I needed a new system to tie me over until PS3 came out.

In actuality I only need 1 of the 2 newer systems coming out, but since they make more awesome-looking systems, and seem to care more about customers, free stuff, more free stuff, and give more free stuff, this round might have to go with Sony lol.

I don't even think they mentioned it won't be online-only (or even really hinted). But Sony has put out a statement saying they enjoy the offline community and understand, and their console will not be made that way.

Don't get me wrong, someone who still owns an SNES, N64, Genesis, PSX/2/3, Xbox/360, Dreamcast, Atari, and various handhelds, I will still be buying both, but shall I wait a year to buy the next gen Xbox or buy upon release?


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Comment #136 by MasterGazelle
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 @ 05:34:20 AM
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M$ may have declared indirectly via the well known 'leak' system, that the console won't have to be always online, but as Doritos Crash course 2 has shown, that doesn't stop the games from having that requirement. It can still be largely always online by the software. M$ could get to deny it and have at the same time.


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Comment #137 by Intoxicated Rob
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 @ 04:05:08 PM
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Well in my opinion fuis better mot happen or ill ne one of those without an Xbox or anysort.


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Comment #138 by FELLOW HASLEY 18
Thursday, May 16, 2013 @ 02:03:15 PM
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WOULD THEY NO BECUASE FOR PEOPLE THAT DONT HAVE INTERNET THEY WOULD BE TO PLAYIT SAME FOR SONY


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Comment #139 by Tomtam
Thursday, May 16, 2013 @ 04:35:26 PM
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@137 Trying too hard to live up to your name.


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Comment #140 by Irish Dave
Thursday, May 16, 2013 @ 04:59:55 PM
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On a JTAG/RGH XBOX 360 you have a "FakeLive" features that lets you play games that require xbox live (ie. indie games)


Once again, it'll be legitimate gamers who suffer


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Comment #141 by tiger 1
Friday, May 17, 2013 @ 04:27:45 PM
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Not with me will I pay for another Internet hook up besides my TV and now Xbox360 if need be I will leave XBL altogether and head back to Sony or I will stop gaming altogether. I know Microsoft has wanted to leave the gaming Industry for some time now and it seems late 2013 they will because with their new Xbox system guess what digital download only isn’t my cup of tea and I don’t think I am the only one in the world who feels like this. In my book, Microsoft is going down the load of anti-business because having only Digital downloads you will be under Microsoft control 100 percent of the time. You think XBL is bad now what until the new system.

I also heard from a singing bird that GameStop is getting ready to make a move incase Microsoft’s announcement says “NO DISC SYSTEM” they will move into the music Industry to shore up their losses or go out of business altogether. I am in my 60 + been gaming since the first Packman game in local bars and pubs until today and I will not give up my gaming control over to Microsoft where they will control what I play, watch, listen etc… this this is the way of the future is a bunch of crap. It’s about how Microsoft can control not only the market but the gamers themselves. Go on you can drink their cool-aid and believe all their hype but I will not.


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Comment #142 by UryuIshida72
Friday, May 17, 2013 @ 08:56:06 PM
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Tell ya what Microsoft, I'll get an online-only console when you give good internet to everyone in the world.


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Comment #143 by DeaDpOoL xx
Friday, May 17, 2013 @ 09:10:51 PM
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Very foolish indeed they r if they do do it.


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Comment #144 by halospartan
Saturday, May 18, 2013 @ 09:29:46 PM
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I definitely would start looking at the other consoles then if they do this.


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Comment #145 by johnwick
Sunday, May 19, 2013 @ 12:35:33 AM
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Very foolish, I seem to play more when i'm offline then when i'm online, so if they made it 24/7 online then I wouldn't be able to do much


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Comment #146 by Ari Haswari
Monday, May 20, 2013 @ 12:22:27 AM
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Man if they do this then its only going to hurt them. Also people would find was around that.


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Comment #147 by Officiallynug89
Monday, May 20, 2013 @ 02:11:00 PM
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@2 GAY.....


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Comment #148 by Officiallynug89
Monday, May 20, 2013 @ 02:26:35 PM
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Just look at the 3DS and the DRM with that for example.
Then look at the overall figures of the console sold compared to the DS.

This is what will happen with xbox Im afraid, Nintendo got too trigger happy with money and tried to tackle the piracy with the DS and Wii that it completely backfired then released a wank addition to gain people back with the Wii-U.

Microsoft only cares about the money, paying for a subscription, paying a ton of money for microsofts own products like a harddrive, Audio video cable for your turtle beaches, hdmi cables... the list goes on.

they don't care about consumers because they know they will cough up each and every time.
so if this console is an 'always online' console, I hope it teaches them a fucking lesson.

Are people really that stingy they have to illegally download their games, or are they too poor?

thank you for evolving todays gaming culture you fucking idiots.


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Comment #149 by 2Bad2Fast
Monday, May 20, 2013 @ 04:38:33 PM
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we will find out soon , if they do make it online only i know LOADS that will not be buying it, it really aint that big of a deal for me but i have to think when fly to spain n im over there doing stuff and you need to wait 2 weeks to get internet up, its going to be very anoying not bean able to play offline.


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Comment #150 by Tai_MT
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 06:05:20 PM
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I don't even like the "always online" feature of Starcraft 2. And hey, news flash... I AM ALWAYS ONLINE ANYWAY! But, it still drives me up the wall. Oh, my achievements are disabled since THEIR servers are crashed? Oh, thanks, that's lovely. Way to get me to quit playing your game when your services are down. No sense replaying the story a third time for achievements on a harder difficulty when you won't let me unless I'm connected to your servers!

If you want to curb piracy you need to do two things: Reward those who aren't engaging in piracy and punish those who are. It makes piracy less likely to be done in the long run. The problem with PC games is... Well... easily piratable. On top of which, there's no "overall gamertag" to associate with all games played on the PC. Meanwhile on the Xbox, you at least have to have a profile, usually one that's a Live Account. The Live Account, if it's ever found to be playing pirated games can be shut down permanently. Credit cards linked to that account can also be blocked from starting new accounts.

If we had "kill switches" in our PCs and consoles that would activate upon finding pirated anything and immediately shut down the platform in question... As well as keeping it from reactivating again... You'd likely have some control in piracy. You could also include a code with each disc and an activation code (that only the disc would know was right or wrong) to be entered upon installation in order to prevent the whole "activation code creator" programs out there from being useful. Once the game went online and the codes didn't match up, the developers would be able to tell what was a pirated copy and what wasn't.

At least... That's how I'd do it. The real trick is to not tell your gamers that your software has any anti-piracy measures what-so-ever or even what they might be. It would take the piracy bunch a lot longer to figure out how to circumvent the system that way.


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Comment #151 by Pounder5001
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 02:26:03 PM
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I'm a 38 year old gamer. I am a full time professional (Commercial Insurance) and a single father who is raising his 7 year old son 4-5 days a week. In other words, as much as I have loved gaming (ever since my first colecovsion session in the second grade! Frogger ruled!)I rarely have time to sit down and really play like I used to. I don't get online and compete. What I do is buy a game (usually used, but sometimes new) and sit down and play through the story campaign beginning to end. Usually I can do this in one or two nights after the boy goes to bed and at the expense of sleep. I rarely go back and replay (I don't have time, and this is also the reason I usually buy used). I finish 3-4 games a month. Does this make me any less of a gamer? I don't have an internet connection at the house because I am online all day at work and don't need it nor can justify the cost. Now Microsoft is going to tell me I have to go online and quit buying used games?!! That's fine...as long as they realize they just lost a longtime X-Box customer. I can't believe I'm considering this... but I may be switching to Playstation!


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Comment #152 by Tweekem
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 10:18:43 AM
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Every gamer should be upset by this.. and if not for all the reasons posted is the fact that this thing will be a brick when its life is done. I don't know if Im just a dinosaur (been gaming since pong, intellivision and oddessy)but I can go get ANY of my older systems out and play any and every game I have purchased with no internet connection or check in needed... and I have every system Ive ever owned with a huge library... So this is what I say.. If I don't own the copy of the game I purchase.. then sell games for 20 - 30 buks each... you don't have to make discs or cases or artwork since its all downloaded anyway right so why are games not going to be much cheaper? Why would I go out and buy a hard copy to just download to my system?

This his just a big pile of crud and I really don't see myself buying this system unless changes are made.


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Comment #153 by EbonyPegasus1
Sunday, July 07, 2013 @ 06:20:18 PM
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When someone invents a way of "always being online", this will make sense


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Comment #154 by Ari Haswari
Tuesday, July 09, 2013 @ 10:50:03 PM
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It doesn't matter what statistics stats. Anyone who implements a idea like that is an idiot and a moron.


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Comment #155 by RockMan Respect
Monday, July 15, 2013 @ 11:40:44 AM
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Are they losing millions of dollars due to piracy? I don't know anyone who pirates xbox 360 games. It's pretty crappy to treat us all like criminals over this.


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