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Xbox One Reveal: Our Reaction, Opinion and Everything You Need to Know

Xbox One Reveal: Our Reaction, Opinion and Everything You Need to Know

Written Tuesday, May 21, 2013 By Richard Walker
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Well, that's it then. All of that build-up and anticipation was leading up to this. Rumours begone! Xbox One is here, and we know almost everything we needed to know. Almost everything. It's not called Durango, it's not Xbox Infinity and it's not just called 'Xbox '. It won't make you a cup of tea, give you a massage or fluff your pillow, and it won't directly interface with your brain by drilling through your eye socket. Although the new Kinect comes dangerously close to doing that.

What can it do then? So far we know that it's an “all in one system” according to Microsoft's big cheese, Don Mattrick, with TV, movies and all of your entertainment in one place. It's what most gamers feared. The Xbox reveal was almost exclusively about what the console can do with voice recognition, streaming TV and movies. Whatever happened to the games? The sum total of games actually revealed during the event were seven if you include Call of Duty: Ghosts. We shouldn't lose heart on that front however, as Microsoft is promising plenty of game reveals for E3 2013 in a few short weeks. Oh, and it'll spin its games on Blu-ray discs. Yay!

This first look was really all about Xbox One's entertainment delivery chops, with Microsoft focusing on Kinect's voice gubbins, its partnership with NFL to deliver American Football games with the full stadium experience and more of that kind of thing. Hell, 343 even took time out to announce its Halo TV series, disappointing fans hoping for confirmation of the next Halo game. Steven Spielberg's involvement did nothing to lessen our dashed hopes either.

While the demonstration of Xbox One's ability to seamlessly change channels, switch between TV and movies, while chatting to someone on Skype was undeniably impressive, a lack of games and a whole litany of unanswered questions left us concerned that the Xbox rumour mill would continue to grind unabated.

Thank goodness then for the post-Xbox One reveal event in London, where practically all of our questions have been answered by Xbox UK Marketing Director Harvey Eagle. Microsoft's willingness to be completely transparent with us regarding backwards compatibility, achievements, Gamertags and always-online does beg the question as to why these salient facts were left out of the reveal event in the first place.

Nonetheless, we have answers now and can fill in some of the gaps for you. Firstly, not only will your achievements and overall Gamerscore carry over to Xbox One, but how you obtain your achievements will shape your gaming history to share with friends. Your Gamertag and Xbox Live Avatar will also make the jump to the new console, so there's no danger of you losing the Xbox Live identity you've been working on for the past eight years or so. This is all good stuff.

Disappointingly, Xbox One won't be backwards compatible with any existing disc-based Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade games, which means you'll have to maintain a working Xbox 360 to play your library of titles you've accumulated over the years. This is bad stuff.

Tempering this piece of bad news is confirmation that Xbox One won't utilise DRM or always-online functionality to block pre-owned games, so any such rumours pertaining to such a feature can be consigned to the dustbin. Although, you will apparently have to pay a fee to install used games though, which goes some way to explaining EA's abandonment of its online pass scheme. We wait with bated breath to find out how much you'll have to shell out to play a used game.

Xbox One is also to play host to no less than 15 console exclusives in its first year, including Forza Motorsport 5 and Remedy's potentially very exciting Quantum Break. Remedy's game is a new IP for Xbox One too, and is hopefully an indication that more new and fresh titles will arrive with the advent of the next-generation. Microsoft has already said that there'll be no less than eight new IPs coming to the platform during year one. Even CoD is turning over a new leaf with a new engine, new characters, new story and a dog (yes, a dog!) to feature in Call of Duty: Ghosts.

That's what we can take away from Microsoft's Xbox One reveal today then. A glossy, understated black box with a new 1080p Kinect device, a slightly redesigned controller (we're keen to find out what the 40 design innovations are exactly), and TV, movies and more all in one place, controlled by your voice and accessed seamlessly in an instant. It'll play games too, it seems.

We thought we'd be more excited for the next Xbox, but we're feeling a little cold in the wake of the Xbox One reveal. Perhaps a more in-depth demonstration of what Xbox One is capable of and the games that will come to define the platform will manage to boost our excitement, but for now we're feeling that the overall event was a rather lukewarm one.

For the next few weeks then, we'll be looking ahead to E3 in June, when we hope Microsoft will finally deliver on the potential and promise of Xbox One, with a line-up of games to really get the blood pumping. After all for us - and we suspect for you too – Xbox One should really be all about the games. We just didn't get that today.

Xbox One will launch later in the year. Let us know your thoughts about the Xbox reveal and Xbox One in the comments.





 
 

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Comment #1 by Zombies
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:46:38 PM
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I was completely the same, underwhelmed, too much focus on everything BUT games.


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Comment #2 by MoldyClay87
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:47:42 PM
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Not the least bit excited.

I am legitimately depressed with the direction this entire generation of gaming is going.
Star


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Comment #3 by tmeerbott
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:48:18 PM
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What about controller backwards compatibility? Are we going to have to buy new gamepads, instruments, steering wheel, etc. for the new console or will the ones from the 360 work?


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Comment #4 by WRENCHO
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:53:07 PM
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yah it does everything.. besides play games. hope the e3 shows alot of promising titles


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Comment #5 by lordhawkins9
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:57:11 PM
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So no "always on-line" required, but do you need to be on-line to initially load/register a game? Sounds like off-liners are still going to get screwed.


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Comment #6 by DiasdeGalvan
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:57:34 PM
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Having to pay a fee to play used games that's a big deal breaker for me. I will be switching to the PS4 or PC gaming.


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Comment #7 by SeraphTC
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:57:51 PM
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Microsoft stated up front that this show would be a console reveal - it was never about the games.

They've shown the hardware, talked a lot about the non-gaming stuff, and left 99% of the gaming stuff out.

Why? Because the years largest gaming event is in 19 days. The Microsoft E3 Presser can now be all about the games - something that's been complained about for the last few years when it's been flooded with non-gaming material.

Today was pretty much exactly what I expected it to be.

Roll on E3.


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Comment #8 by Rickmassacre
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 02:58:33 PM
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pay to play a pre owned game.

JUST FUCK OFF NOW.


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Comment #9 by TheBrute1997
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:08:39 PM
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A question for X360A/PS3T, will you change the domain name to fit the new Xbox, or will it remain as it is?


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Comment #10 by Da Beni Man
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:08:40 PM
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honestly, i was really dissapointed by the reveal, WAY too much focus on TV based stuff. And they kept banging on about it being the living room hub, my xbox is in my FUCKING ROOM!!!!


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Comment #11 by McMffn
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:11:53 PM
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#7 - I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm tired of seeing people who are complaining that they didn't show any games, when M$ already stated that this was just about the console, and that E3 was going to be all about the games. And of course they are not going to reveal the release date or price. They have your interest now, and they want you to tune in to their E3 for the rest of the information.


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Comment #12 by Anus_McCarthy
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:13:08 PM
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Can you stand it up on end? That's the only way it'll fit on my shelf.


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Comment #13 by Lebowski
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:15:11 PM
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The name and design were underwhelming, it looks like an old VCR player.
It has some nice features but it doesn't really do anything more than my Smart TV does in essence.

The graphics were as I expected, on par with PS4 and DX11 PC games.
Call of Duty lost my interest a long time ago and the other titles were just your 'standard release games'.

I know E3 is where this will really shine but for now, my Highlights were:
Blu Ray confirmation, better refinements to analogue sticks & triggers on the controller.

The new interactive achievements thing looked kinda interesting too.

I didn't see about the possibly of paying to install used games.. that sucks! And no backwards compatibility..I mean we kinda saw that coming, but the 360 had so many great games.
No GTA V on the Xbox One? :(


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Comment #14 by Richie82 [STAFF]
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:15:45 PM
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@9 - Good question. I'm assuming that Dan's been buying up every domain name known to man. Short answer: I don't know for now. Stay tuned!


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Comment #15 by CaptainKicker
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:17:00 PM
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Wow this is crazy.

The press hates the new Xbox, PS players hates the new Xbox, Xbox players hates the new Xbox and Nintendo/PC players hates the new Xbox.

Wow, just wow.


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Comment #16 by Ludo dave
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:21:35 PM
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xbox live arcade games should at least work on the xbox one i mean come on they are DIGITAL and the lack of games to show was disappointing


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Comment #17 by hestar
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:27:35 PM
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Comment #15 by CaptainKicker your post pretty much sums it up. Almost everyone is unimpressed with the xbox 1.as someoen who LOVES LOVES his xbox 360, I will NOT buy this POS. So mad at how they blew this.

PS4 > xboxdone


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Comment #18 by I mak3 big boom
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:40:52 PM
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Man what a dumb name. We already have an Xbox one. The first XBOX! Smh


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Comment #19 by CaptainKicker
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:47:44 PM
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#18 - No, it was just Xbox. Not Xbox One.


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Comment #20 by JeffMomm
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:52:39 PM
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I guess I am in the minority, but I was pretty happy with a lot of the new features. Specifically the snapping of apps. There have been so many times where I was struggling on a game (insert casual gamer joke here), had to pause it, bring my laptop over, look up the solution and then try to do it myself. I finally just keep my laptop right next to me on the couch. How cool will it be to pause the game, bring up IE, search for the answer and have it displayed right next to the game on the same screen? I think, pretty cool.

I also enjoy the TV stuff built-in. My current setup with inputs and stereo is annoying to switch around. Granted it is a minor, first-world annoyance, but hey easier is always better.

Personally, I am willing to wait 3 weeks for E3 to see the game demos and how gaming is going to work. For a reveal event, it needed to speak to the masses, which it did. E3 is for us geeks/gamers and should have more of the info we want.

I was happy to see all the improvements they made, esp. with the all-in-one direction and with the voice controls on the Kinect. I liked it not being always-online, although mine is anyway. I like that it allows used games, but didn't like there will be a price for it. I didn't like that the 360 games are not backward compatible, but I understand why with the technology being so drastically different. Overall, I think it will make my entertainment and gaming simpler, which is good.

While it wasn't perfect, it had a much more good than bad, IMHO. I am more excited for this to come out than I was yesterday. And I am guessing that after seeing the games at E3, I will be ready to buy it the next day. :-)


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Comment #21 by Lammkottet
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:53:26 PM
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I'm so disappointed. After PS4 reveal I felt I might by my first Sony console ever, after Xbox reveal that feeling got stronger. The new box doesn't look that good, ugly name, way to much focus on TV. Only.. ONLY positive is the control.

I'm afraid I might ditch Xbox.


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Comment #22 by SP1R17US S4NC71
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:57:49 PM
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I was really looking forward to this reveal. Totally disappointed. I mean, it looks good and the game trailers look fun to play, but no reverse compatibility and not being able to play xbox 360 games on the xbox one turned me off. Hopefully they change this and then I will get it. If not, the current xbox is fine. I also hope I can transfer my account between the new and old console. I wish the call of duty crew would reduce the cost of their DLC. 20 dollars for every individual DLC is causing me to fall behind. Still trying to get the DLC for call of duty world at war... game broken as well thanks to the game case


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Comment #23 by olsen77
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 03:58:42 PM
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@9...PS3T admin here. We know what we'll be doing for the next gen consoles. Some of the details are still up in the air, but we'll be finalizing those soon. When we're ready to make an announcement about the future, we will. Stay tuned. ;)


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Comment #24 by CaptainKicker
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:00:46 PM
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Guys, you do know, that you don't have to use kinect and the TV features...


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Comment #25 by JeffMomm
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:01:17 PM
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@22 - Another website (cough *IGN* cough) has confirmed that your Gamertag, achievement score, TV/Movie purchases, etc. will all carry over. The only thing that won't are the Arcade titles and game downloads. This is due to the different technology inside the console - the old stuff simply won't run on the new hardware.


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Comment #26 by JeffMomm
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:08:37 PM
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@22 - sorry, forgot the link: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/gamerscore-will-port-over-to-xbox-one


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Comment #27 by DraconicDa3mon9
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:12:58 PM
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I'll never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of whiny bitches in gaming.

I look forward to getting the Xbox One. After all, my only deal-breaker was the always-online thing.
However, Blu-Ray compatibility, entertainment stuff, and not always-online? Sweet. I use my xbox for entertainment more than games, because I play the living shit out of a game I've purchased or rented, so I usually finish the game within a week.

Paying for used games? That makes sense; and it's still a bargain from buying new, so long as it's not more than $20.00. (Most used games I purchase have been out for a year or more, and range between $10.00-$30.00, so probably going to rise to $15.00-$40.00) Seriously, $69.99, as opposed to $35.00-$60.00, what do you honestly have to complain about?
No backtracking? Keep your fucking consoles, pussies. Wait a year or two to get the Xbox One, it's price will inevitably have dropped by then. Or you'll have saved up enough by then, and it will be immaterial anyway.

Just, seriously, quit whining like a bitch.

kthxbai...

@16, "Disappointingly, Xbox One won't be backwards compatible with any existing disc-based Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade games"
Sounds to me like only Live Arcade games using a disc will be axed for backtracking.


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Comment #28 by Xenolith666
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:30:56 PM
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Can I be the first to say.. it's ugly.. on the outside.. but I guess the beauty is on the inside.


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Comment #29 by Deaf_Paradox
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:33:47 PM
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I might watch Xbox TV if it was an actual TV that I could also play games on but trying to complete with my SKY box... its going to lose everytime.


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Comment #30 by shadowr4ven
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:35:55 PM
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I wish you could quote on this site. No quoting makes replying to a certain person way too much of a hassle.

Bottom line is, things change. Buy the new one or stop gaming, it's up to you.


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Comment #31 by Zebrahead MoFo
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:36:53 PM
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I want to know more about this pay per disk nonsense. I Know it's pay by gamertag, but hope also the first console you use the disk on, then any gamertags can play it. Or some way of linking Consoles/tags to the same household. as long as all gamertags and all consoles in my house can play all the games we buy for the one off fee, then I'm getting this console.


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Comment #32 by Xenolith666
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 04:42:04 PM
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And I'm sure that we'll see a real taste of the games come E3.. this was just the "hey look at what the xbox does when I say this" reveal.. give it time people!
I am kinda upset about the backwards compatibility.. I thought there was going to be a separate module? Or just a rumor I guess. We'll all find out soon I'm sure.


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Comment #33 by a hippyslayer
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:01:55 PM
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@32. No. Lets all jump to whiny-bitch-ass conclusions. "The xbox is not about games". Really... They had one hour to show off the new tech, and hours and hours in a few weeks. They showed us some games, said there would be 15 exclusives launching in the first year (8 new IPs), but people still want to say its not about gaming.
I just don't get the way people's minds work.


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Comment #34 by Mrryan12
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:11:41 PM
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Sure I don't have to use IE, or any of the apps. I wouldn't be complaining if I didn't have to see all of that though, MS should at least let us filter out the "crap".


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Comment #35 by Xenolith666
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:23:52 PM
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Treyarch must be pissed right now.


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Comment #36 by Crimson Ridley
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:33:02 PM
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This is what I love about x360a. They aren't afraid to say that they aren't really feeling the whole reveal thing, while other sites will be like "OMG new console, awesome, has TV, films, sports... games, etc. Best thing ever!".


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Comment #37 by cliche1
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:39:12 PM
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How is this a all in one console, when my 360 will be sitting next to it. No bc is bullshit! Seems like I'll be finishing all the games on 360 and arcade before i even consider buying this. Ps it also means having to rebuy all my dvds in blue ray.


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Comment #38 by pinkfluff1
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:44:09 PM
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I'm pretty sure M$ have planned this all so they can essentially have a massive launch over both this conference and E3 combined. We've seen the hardware so now at E3 we can have the focus on the games with all the publishers in one place. I wouldn't be so quick to shit on it just because it has extra features. I mean what did you all expect? Just another box with updated RAM and a Blueray player?

If the games side does turn out to be a fail I will join the disappointed but for now I'll hold my judgements for E3. In any case the stuff they showed was still pretty cool if unnecessary. 15 exclusives is decent by anyones measure.


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Comment #39 by skiscaraudio
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 05:50:19 PM
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I watch very little tv, my music i listen to in the car and on my bike and i haven't watched a movie in it's entirety for a decade. What I do is play games. This is silly.


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Comment #40 by The Red Russian
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 06:33:33 PM
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It won't be able to play 360 discs... but how about Games on Demand?


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Comment #41 by fredgiblet
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 06:43:07 PM
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#16 " i mean come on they are DIGITAL"

You don't seem to know what that word means. The fact that they are downloaded is totally irrelevant, what's relevant is that the new console is going to be using a different architecture which means they have two choices for making them work, either have an Xbox 360 INSIDE the Xbox One (Like the early PS3s had a PS2 mobo inside them as well) or make an emulator that will have significant compatibility issues and will require constant maintenance (Like the 360 had for backwards compatibility).

The reality is that almost every halfway decent game will be ported over sooner or later, the BIG question is this: if you bought a game on 360 and it gets ported to the One will you have to buy it again?


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Comment #42 by Ceromorth
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 06:46:03 PM
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Xbox One will need to be online at least once a day if you want to play games.

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-internet-connection-cant-play-o-509164109


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Comment #44 by TheWeasel
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 08:16:00 PM
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M$ seems to be more focused on a movie console than a gaming console, ps4 is looking better with every new bit of info on the xbox one.
hopefully the kinect is an optional peice that does not have to be conected to play the games t least?


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Comment #45 by Scorp1on
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 08:17:58 PM
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I'm just worried about the fee part so far. As a divorced parent my kids like to play on my system when they're over. If I want to play Injustice against them or COD it could be expensive having to pay for they're accounts when they come. My son has his acct. On my system as while as his @ his mom's because we like to also compete to see who can finish games like AC first. Like it's been said this was a hardware reveal, we'll have to wait and see.


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Comment #46 by fredgiblet
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 08:35:19 PM
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It's likely that the restrictions will be console based rather than account based.


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Comment #47 by The Dukenator
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 08:40:06 PM
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@37 @43 and CDs.
They thought of that years ago when they came out with DVD players and later bluray players to have them be backward compatible with the previous optical media.


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Comment #48 by RDrules
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 09:22:35 PM
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@41theres no reason the "new" architecture shouldnt play 360 games it will be perfectly capable of playing games that old they would just need a decent emulator making and considering theyre supposed to be the biggest software company on the planet that shouldnt be hard especially considering they own the old software

and all these arcade games will be ported over anyway so why arent they compatible? it would just be another download when they were switched over

simple matter is theyre not willing to put in the time to actually do something good for usand it wouldnt take that much considering modders have been making 360 emulators for pc since it came out

and lets face it ill have no trouble playing games on my PC from a long time before these with a lot newer hardware

speaking of the hardware... its pretty shit anyway from whats been shown so far, a CPU based on a chip thats a couple of years old now and fairly low spec by todays standards, 8gb of majorly outdated ram DDR3 where sonys already gone for DDR5 only a 500gb HDD

yeah its a sealed unit so balancing it against a PC is hard since its a sealed unit.. though its not exactly cutting down on the extra functions now like consoles usually do.. but it looses to the PS4 already


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Comment #49 by CelticWarriorDB
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 09:41:31 PM
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Once again, I love all of these people who keep saying that the PS4 is awesome. It is not backwards compatible with previous systems just like this new xbox, but lets bash the xbox and not the PS4. Sony barely showed any games at their conference, and the ones they did show were not new titles. Same thing here with the new xbox, yet lets bash the xbox and not the PS4.

Everything that people are complaining about this conference can be attributed to the PS4, yet people don't seem to do that. At least Microsoft showed you the actual console. Sony can't even fucking do that.

If you're that mad that the new xbox is not strictly a gaming console, then why the fuck did you even buy a 360, when before that even came out, Microsoft stated that they wanted their console to be able to do almost everything that other devices can do. Where was your outrage then, hmmm?

If you want to get technical, gaming consoles haven't been strictly gaming consoles since the PS1/N64 days. The PS2 can play DVDS (it was one of its' selling points), and the original xbox could play music. Hmm, I don't remember the outrage then.

How about something more recent, when Netflix was announced, I don't remember people crying in the streets going, 'OMG, this is supposed to be a gaming console. I don't want that stuff.' The funny thing is that the same people whining about this probably use their 360 for more than just gaming.

The hypocrisy of some gamers is just sad.


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Comment #50 by oORuffusOo
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 10:05:29 PM
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Well I won't be getting in a hurry that's for sure.


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Comment #51 by phatshadow
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 10:10:59 PM
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so if i buy a new xbox one game and start to play it one day and the next day I go to work or whatever but my brother wants to play it he will have to pay because its technically a "used" game ??????


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Comment #52 by Oversig
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 10:48:06 PM
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I will never put any game system in my living room it will always stay in my basement man cave. Who the hell thinks you can play games on the main TV others use in the home? WTF does Microsoft think a gaming system is used for? After the reveal I think it's a valid question. The last thing I want to do is spend another $400.00+ on a entire new system. Waiting to hear what the PS4 has to offer for sure!


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Comment #53 by ZingZitang
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 @ 10:53:09 PM
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@48:

Having new architecture is the only reason its not backwards compatible.

There are very many reasons that old games cant run on new architecture.

But you clearly dont understand,so in lamens terms, trying to play an old game on the new machine would be like putting vegetable oil into a diesel engine.

Everyone saying the ps4 will be better is extremely naive and ridicuously hypocritical. Microsoft showed more with the Xbox One reveal than sony did with the Ps4 reveal.

Most comments here sound like bratty spoiled children.

It doesn't work well, it doesnt end well, and it leads to huge maintainence costs.

I see no problems with the Xbox One. Better bame than it could have been, comparable hardware to the ps4. More functionalty from what ive seen, and neither are backwards conpatible.



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Comment #54 by A Pharmacist
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 12:20:54 AM
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MS isn't making me excited whatsoever. I don't use my gaming console for multimedia content... I have plenty of other devices for that. They have a lot of convincing to do if I'm going to shell out the money for a new console that I want to play games on. Never bought into Kinect, never have downloaded any "apps" on the dashboard, I use my current xbox to play games only. Hope I'm not alone on this


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Comment #55 by jdionio
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 12:21:58 AM
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After all the hype and hoopla, I felt extremely underwhelmed and probably won't be buying this, at least until I get more info.


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Comment #56 by Akira_Katayama
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 02:17:46 AM
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It's got some neat tricks, but I still want a gaming console, so I'm gonna see what E3 comes up with. hopefully actual gameplay footage. I have no clue whatQuantum Break is supposed to be about, or what the live action stuff has to do with it...

The most I use my Xbox 360 for besides gaming is a few apps (anime apps, youtube, netflix) and the DVD player. only movie I got from Video Marketplace was the Year one download from Arkham City GOTY, and your music section remains untouched. I admit the easy switcvhing could see me use it for television. (I like switching back to tv for the few shows I still watch on television, so the ability to do it with just a few words is pretty cool).

As mentioned before, this is a console reveal, so the lack of games is disappointing but not as harsh as it could have been. On the other hand, the lack of actual gameplay was saddening. Graphics are nice, but the new systems are focusing too much on them. I'd rather see gameplay and demos, then ind epth focus on the new levels of realism.. but that's just me.

In the end, the ball's in your court, Microsoft. You've piqued the entertainment seeker in me.. but it's the gamer you have to win over, like you did with the 360.


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Comment #57 by Mea Onus
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 02:45:25 AM
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For me and hence the reason I am even on this site, it was the achievements. Then the PS3 copied that and while my heart still lied my 360, that was no longer a unique feature, which I'm sure all of us have different reasons for loving our achievements.

So while although the backwards compatibility bothers me (I won't get rid of my 360 fine, but I prefer the convenience of having an all in one entertainment system that does all manner of things, least of which playing its legacy games), or the online only requirement rumors (again, I'm always plugged in, but forcing me into it, just sits poorly with me), or even brushing aside how disturbed I am with the trend of requiring folks to purchase a license to a used game (which also won't affect me as I don't buy used games). But in the end the nail that will put my loyalty to this manufacturer to rest is their direction with the achievement system.

It was mentioned before this event and other gaming websites have throw in a few blurbs about how Microsoft will allow developers to put in achievements whenever they like and detail how you received it. While the receiving part doesn't really bother me, putting in arbitrary achievements later on really keeps me from sealing up a full gamerscore and getting that satisfaction from having completed the game. This happens now with DLC and it bugs to me no end, but I've learned to live with it. However, going forward, I see achievements not only being handed out for community events that could be missed, or absurdly stupid things, to the brutally difficult ones being added just for the hell of it.

To me the system worked because it had structure. Now, well screw that, just add achievements whenever for whatever. To that, and the next Xbox, I say: whatever.


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Comment #58 by Kiiibs
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 03:01:37 AM
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I was totally amazed buy the way you can controll it with just talking to it. That's so convenient! And fun. And the design wasn't too bad, knowing people complain A LOT about this. I like the square design. And in general it looks good.

Just too bad to have to pay to play pre owned games. That's not how it should be :( And I don't know if I should buy the ps4 instead because of that. But don't know much about that console right now, but guessing you can't control it with your voice?!


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Comment #59 by Lord_Statn
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 03:49:18 AM
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I feel kinda bad saying this after disagreeing for so long, but the PS4 looks mighty fine after this reveal. Microsoft has obviously abandonned the gamers in favor of the american market. Half of the features will be US only anyways... I'll keep my 360 for the games, and then move over to PS4. PS4 isn't backwards compatible, but I only have like 5 games for PS3 atm. If some PS4-news shows signs of Always Online and Block Pre-Owned or anything equally negative, then Steam it is. If I can't fully own what I bought, might as well get the cheapest. That or find another hobby...


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Comment #60 by Lord_Statn
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 03:59:08 AM
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@44 The Kinect has to be plugged in for the console to function. I have my TV and Xbox on a desk, so using this console will not be comfortable if functional at all... And the Kinect has to calibrate in order to work, which means it'll need a lot of space. Forcing Kinect down my throat was the last drop...


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Comment #61 by Clarky08
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 04:30:10 AM
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I thought it was all pretty awesome to be honest. The games will look the same on both systems as they will be easy ports so the main factor to people will be the exclusive games.

If your happy to give up Halo and Gears and some new IP's for the likes of Uncharted etc then fair enough. That's your call.

I for one am quite happy to have a cracking gaming console that will be able to flick between tv, skype, snapping etc plus improved Kinect for those drunken parties etc.

My only gripe is that its not backwards compatible as I have a huge Rockband collection and also got a lot of games to finish ahead of the launch.



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Comment #62 by WizardFlipper
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 04:47:53 AM
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dam what the hell is this a VCR looks like what my gran'pa has on his shelf lol :( ive got a 360 dont like this new one bit looks ugly it's just a Skybox TV TV TV.Cant belive EA joined up now with Mirosoft so they now MILK eveyone more it took them 5 years to come up with this name lol XBOX ONE.Dam they better show something at E3 IN JUNE or im going to ps4 sorry but i dont want to as i hate they there trophy system that only the only reasson im with xbox u have gamerscore points and pics :) now they wana charge us a small fee for playing second game or taking it to friends house tp play on there console what a ripp offfffffff :(


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Comment #63 by TheWeasel
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 05:06:22 AM
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they are still trying to push the kinect to the point it seems like you are going to be forced to have one whether you want one or not just to play the xbox one. i sure hope that is not the case i have the first conect collecting dust so what makes M$ think i want another one to add the to pile?


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Comment #64 by tiger 1
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 05:29:45 AM
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"Disappointingly, Xbox One won't be backwards compatible with any existing disc-based Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox Live Arcade games, which means you'll have to maintain a working Xbox 360 to play your library of titles you've accumulated over the years. This is bad stuff"


The above is a knife in the back to us loyal customers. Yes, a knife in the back! However, I now know the new road this customer will travel down from this point onward and it won’t be Xbox-one. Looks more like I will make the move to PS4 why? I do not watch TV on my Xbox, or speak to other gamers through IM or any other little tricks. All I do is play my games and I rarely do MP gaming most of the time MP gaming is not all that enjoyable in the first place but this is another story at a later date.

And let’s not forget how changes are made after the first year. I am confident Microsoft will make more changes to the new ONE after they see how you, we, the gamers like or dislike the new ONE. All I can tell you is this pack up your library of games turn the in now before you will have to throw them into the trash bin. Do this now or you will be sorry later.

XBOX-ONE looks more like XBOX-NONE and Sony knew all about this new MS direction. I remember several years ago MS wanted to head away from gaming and more into Social Entertainment it is now here and it looks like you will get just enough games to keep us interested but that’s all. It is time to tell Microsoft how we really feel about the new ONE by showing them limited sales and a bigger sale increase with PS4 … Goodbye Microsoft I need a change I can believe in.


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Comment #65 by RDrules
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 06:24:07 AM
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@49 i said the hardware was better in the ps4 not the actual console.. i dont like where sonys going either but at it is better than what ms have announced

on the other point its apples and oranges, people arent upset that different things can be done on a console.. most of its just fine but its the way ms are doing it and the amount, their console is going from being a games console with extra stuff to being a tv box that plays games, with the shift in focus its understandable gamers are upset though it was obvious it was going to happen since its been going that way a while

@53 i think your the one that doesnt get it, the architecture of the consoles different so yeah you cant just shove the disc in and it work like you would with a 360... yeah thats obvious that always happens.

the real thing is though the architecture being different isnt a reason for them not working its an excuse, its a software problem... when things change on pc no body moans we just emulate it and thats why i can still play dos gameson my nice modern gaming pc in fact i can play commadore games on my pc and theyre on cassettes so yeah

is doing this for the 360 easy? no not really not for most people anyway but then ms is ms the biggest software company there is so yeah for them it should be

doesnt it really require constant maintenance? NO not if its done right

has a company done this before? ps2 is the best example... that emulates ps1 games perfectly, even games that hadent come out when it was released work perfectly there was bout a dozen games out of the back catalog of hundreds that didnt work on it and it didnt even have the internet to update it so they had to do it right in the first place

its just laziness, an excuse thats all same goes for sony... not nintendo though because wait the wii U is backwards compatible... even though the way they did it was moronic


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Comment #66 by lighthouse777
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 09:38:25 AM
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this is my input.. i resent having kinect forced on me too intrusive. just wait until it gets hacked, and someone who is doing something they do not want the world to see gets broadcast everywhere. it will happen xbone is built on windows kernel. just a matter of when.

then there is the online issue.. they lose the military, who buy games, for lack of an internet connection [sporadic for them].
they lose families with children who do not want their consoles online. i personally know of 5 families that have various consoles, none online.will never, ever allow it. they lose overseas people who do not have internet connections, or those with faulty connections. lose lose lose.

you TV part requires a CABLE box. lol. so you pay for that then the xbox.
does anyone think this stuff through??

the used game issue is a big negative for me. i have two gamer tags and two consoles. so i pay 70 bucks [yes new price for next gen] then pay again so i can use it on my other gamer tag? not gonna happen. see class action lawsuit on this one. all one needs to do is contact their state att. offices and see how far microsoft gets with this.
but the same if you have a family with mutiple consoles.. same issue. yes they can all use it one one console,under your tag.but not on the others.
and thats not even counting selling or buying used games. this is just within the family.

i want a console that games. i am returning to the PC
since microsoft has the DRM. yes they do. you must register the game online before you can play. i would rather be with steam. its cheaper and they have my games, like forever


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Comment #67 by lighthouse777
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 09:41:55 AM
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to #3 you will need to rebuy everything
nothing, including headsets work on xbone
like that name xbone
its what some are calling it.. lol
the xbox one name in japanese is divorce


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Comment #68 by Drias
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 10:13:11 AM
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Those of you here that say your gamers, but are complaining about the console:

GTFO. You are not a gamer.

You shouldn't be worried about what is on the OS of the console, or what features it has. You should be worried about one thing and one thing only, and that, Ladies and Gents, are the games it can and will play.

Your loyalty should be going to the games, not the hardware. If it can do facebook, netflix, hulu, espn, etc. and you don't use those services, why should you care about them putting it on your xbox? It's not like its telling you that you can not play video games on it. Just ignore the stuff you don't like, and keep playing. Simple, no?

So, I'm going to go and play some video games while a percentage of you are going to rage and bitch about what console's better and what not.


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Comment #69 by CelticWarriorDB
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:03:24 AM
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@64 you're the type of person that i'm talking about. If the new xbox not being backwards compatible is a 'knife in the back,' then why in the hell are you supporting the PS4 and Sony when they're DOING THE SAME EXACT THING. You can't play any previous PS game, or PSN purchase on the PS4.

Both Sony and MS are doing it, and it's very disappointing. However, it's very hypocritical for you to support one side over the other, when they're both doing the same damn thing.

If people want to make a stand on that, then head to the PC, where you don't have to deal with that.


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Comment #70 by TheTwoTonHammer
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:12:32 AM
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I'm not getting it.


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Comment #71 by xplanetpiscesx
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:27:11 AM
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They'll be great games, not concerned at all. Early purchase for me. I can't wait to scrap my 360 profile and start from scratch.


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Comment #72 by ponypo2001
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:44:38 AM
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@68 Just curious then, what makes a "real gamer"? I always thought someone that has been gaming for the last 30 years and genuinely loves their games would probably be one? That's me, and I imagine, quite a few others by the way.

And yet, according to you, if we are unhappy at all the TV, apps and other misc tripe in that "games console", we are not "real gamers"? Is that really what you think?

So I ask again, what is a "real gamer" in your eyes? I'm not going to resort to name calling, but honestly, I want to hear what kind of retort you'll come back with next.


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Comment #73 by nekokari
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 11:53:21 AM
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So sad, The xbox one is nothing more then a high quality DVRish device. what's even funnier is that sony's stock jumped when the xbox one was revealed. I can say I most likely won't be purchasing one of these. it's just sad for me, for I do look forward to new systems, but this next generation is turning out lesser.

@72, A real gamer is one who loves the games, the stories. And no worries i agree with ya.

@68 GTFO yourself, if you have nothing to say truly to the topic


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Comment #74 by SDMF TrueBlue
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 12:05:05 PM
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I seem to be one of few actually intrigued by the One. I love the thought of new IPs and seeing how existing franches (Halo, Gears, Elder Scrolls) will look and play on the One. I'm also happy about it having Blu-Ray, being able to transfer my profile and achievements, and dedicated servers. Yeah, no BC is a bummer, but I can press one button on my tv remote to switch back to the 360. I just hope E3 brings some awesome games (Halo 5? Mortal Kombat II? Alan Wake 2?).


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Comment #75 by Drias
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 01:28:31 PM
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@72, sorry, i should have emphasized it a bit more. A "Real Gamer" Shouldn't hate on a console at all. It's there to do a job, and play games. the Xbox One and Playstation 4 both do so, but have Applications to it that most see as un-needed. Why does it bother anyone that it can do all this stuff?

Microsoft and Sony already said their systems will be dedicating most of its power to the game software. Here's some mind blowing info for you. What the Xbox One and PS4 can do now, PC was, and Still, is able to do. All the Apps you don't want, the Live TV, Alt-Tabbing menus, The PC could do this already. The PC Gamers just chose to ignore this and moved on to playing games. Just like I'm going to do when i get both consoles, like i did this gen.

Back on Track, a "real gamer" shouldn't pick favorites or whine about a console that still does what it's supposed to do, but have everything else. A Gamer should not care what console he or she buys, because his/her LOYALTY should be towards the games, not the company's making a shell that allows you to play these things. Not to mention, a real gamer will buy a game he likes new to support the company who developed it so that the company get's what they deserve and can make new games without the fear of getting little to nothing in return (I'm hitting Steam, Gamestop and Best Buy here.)

Used games are nice to play so you know what you're in for, but you should just buy it new if you like the game that much. Otherwise, you're playing a game you really like, not giving the company that made the game the money they deserve, and then wonder why they make the next couple games complete crap, or why they don't include a proper ending or etc, etc. It's because there are a lot of people out there that will only buy used games. Do I blame them personally? No, if you're trying to save money, do so. Do I blame them for other things? Yea, by all means, but that, in and of itself, is an opinion.

Steam is not as bad, but is still a big culprit. Yea, you buy the games new, true, but most of the time, you get them at a decently reduced price. This still hurts developers because they aren't getting the amount of money they need to go the extra step for us, the consumer.

But, I guaranteed I'll get flamed for this post by some, and others will see some of my points valid. Quite honestly, I don't care. Those who want to keep all eyes closed and unnecessarily hate on things that aren't that big of a deal, please continue. For those who want to keep defending all parties, please continue. I've stated my opinion about this whole hate thing and will tell you now, I bear no ill-will and I'm sorry if my last post was harsh, however, I'm jumping ship from this generation to the next, with or without everyone.


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Comment #76 by SpectrumFlash
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 03:35:56 PM
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I might end up getting both the Xbox One and PS4 as per usual. But still, they shouldn't have to make us pay to play used games. It might just be $5 which means it's the same price as buying new so I'd rather do that. I'm pretty hyped for Forza Motorsport 5, and possibly even Quantum Break. I guess we just have to wait and see.


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Comment #77 by Discofrog
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 04:08:30 PM
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The reveal really didn't do anything for me, only really interested in finding out what the other exclusive games will be as that's what I'd be purchasing a Xbox One for, games.


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Comment #78 by Krisko Disko
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 07:54:55 PM
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It's called the Xbox One because apparently it's designed to do one thing: play TV/Movies.


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Comment #79 by crunchb3rry
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 @ 08:07:03 PM
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Well, I'll definitely be buying one of those Stingray 360s to keep around.


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Comment #81 by MrEastSide
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 12:41:06 AM
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Not the least bit excited anymore. Kinect has to be connected and running... Can't bring your games to a friend's XBox... XBox needs to be connected at least once a day to contact Live servers... I still have to pay $60 dollars a year to use Netflix, which I already pay a subscription for and every other streaming device allows you to use for free... And apparently, I have to talk to my XBox whenever I want to do anything.

But, hey, at least I can watch The Price is Right on it.

What is Microsoft thinking?!


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Comment #82 by MasterGazelle
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 03:51:13 AM
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"We wait with bated breath to find out how much you'll have to shell out to play a used game."

If the stupid over the top pricing of Games On Demand was anything to judge by, the will be unacceptable high to anyone with a grasp on what things are actually worth.

At this point there's nothing M$ can do or say to make me buy an Xbox One. I don't want Kinect forced upon me. I don't want voice control forced upon me. I don't want the bloody Cloud forced upon me. I don't want to pay extra to let my son play one of our games in his room, or extra again for my daughter to play in her room.

M$ will lose 1,000,000's of console sales as gamers jump ship in droves. Therefore losing 10,000,000's of games sales. Hacking and piracy will go through the roof.Gold account sales will plummet. As will DLC


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Comment #83 by RDrules
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 04:17:42 AM
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@68 ok as a real gamer lets talk about why the console s bad for real gamers..

your going on all superior saying your not a real gamer if you care about the console but there is a major problem with that... what if the console wont allow games? surely thats a good reason for a "real gamer" to care about the consoel itself?

where am i going with this... ms have stated... no indies are allowed on the xbox one so yeah.. real gamers should hate on the console because real gamers would care about indie developers... they are after all where the future is of the industry, where all the best games come from and theyre being pushed away from this console.

If you wanna be on the xbox one you have to find a publisher


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Comment #84 by CellFrame
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 06:02:21 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ekOtn7L1N0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbWgUO-Rqcw


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Comment #85 by Sanchezz4387
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 09:34:22 AM
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errrm ive got a question.....whats the point of xbone having games on blue ray if it rips the data off disc then runs games from hdd and cloud? seems like a waste of time and resources if you ask me but then again i feel that way about the entire box (wont call it a console as its clearly not a console)


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Comment #86 by Ameno
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 09:56:56 AM
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So we can't play any of the DLC, arcade or on-demand titles anymore?

Not to mention the preposterous fee of Xbox Gold when services such as Netflix and Hulu have an additional cost. Now the Xbox One is just a expensive man's second-rate cable box that plays Call of Duty. Big deal.

At lead in companies like Sony and Nintendo they are passionate about games
as these Japs have been making games for many years and it is what they are concerend the most about.




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Comment #87 by Big Stoz
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 10:19:51 AM
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On the plus side I can tell how my Basketball fantasy team is doing and pretend that I actually give a flying f*ck!


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Comment #88 by slipintonite
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 10:36:13 AM
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I am truly sorry to say I have ZERO interest in this console. Whether I am getting too old for the nonsense these companies make us go through or not it's just not right. Granted it could be worse, but when does it stop? Unless the consumer stands up and says we've had enough and this is ridiculous M$ will not stop making "improvements". The rants are all around and far more articulated than mine. I just wish everyone would stand up and say "fuck this" and let M$ know this is not the console we were waiting for, at all. I want to play games, not skype, not facebook, not watch nfl, play games. Not just new ones all my old ones too. This might just be the end of gaming for me with a xbox altogether. Like one of the first guys said, I am actually sad to see this happen.


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Comment #89 by CellFrame
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 11:38:16 AM
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^ Same here - I'm not gonna buy the Xbox One, regardless of what shit they're coming up with at E3. Microsoft has made clear what direction they're planning on going with their "console" - and the fact that they're forcing Kinect, used-game fees and a once-a-day internet connection down our throats speaks for itself. The Kinect device, btw, is always listening and awaiting comments - and the console won't work without it. Game Over, Xbox One, Game Over.


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Comment #90 by izzle my nizzle
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 01:03:39 PM
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Unless Sony announces the same crap, it looks like I'll be saying good-bye to xbox360achievements.org and saying hello to ps3trophies.org


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Comment #91 by Ethereal235
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 01:11:32 PM
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It's damned weird that they barely bothered mentioning the actual gaming ability of the console. I get it; they're going for general appeal, since that's more likely to boost sales than catering to a gamer crowd, but can't they at least give pertinent information to the group most likely to give a crap about its release at all?

Also, why Xbox One? 359 steps backwards... horrible name.


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Comment #92 by n1hMrDeath
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 02:11:15 PM
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I am not happy with all this like a lot of everyone,Let me just say for the last 21 years at least i have purchased every major console released only missing consoles like VR boy,3do,Jaguar,32x ,i have also every few years built a uber pc but you get the picture.
I am disappointed in the Wii-U and bored of it,I can already tell this Ps4 is also not going to be as great as they make it out to be,with its Low powered Jaguar Mobile cpu (like a modern version of the intel atom just amd version of it not that the atom is not a good cpu :p just its not for gaming anyone tries to run games on this type of cpu know too well the results),the this Xbox one,,,all the bad rumours are pretty much true,but where are the good rumours like,yea...no prices for guessing what,,,its not a gaming machine its a Dvr,, its almost like Micheal Pach(famous in the know Games Guy) hinted that sony n Microsoft are now more focused on the casual majority and the Hardcore minority can go n get there fun someplace else as they are not worth much money, so we have a motive for all this crap at least ,then there fact both consoles still use normal HDD and not SSD(more slow load times even if the ram is super fast  ) i mean what,,,the without swearing are they thinking this is not a console to last another 8 year Gen if they think that they are insane,i think ill wait on my PC playing hardcore games on my steam account n any xbox windows games that comes along ,,until someone,,.,ANYONE wakes up,looking like all hope is on Gabe,,,and maybe Carmack ,,,,,Oculus Rift..yes ,,,steambox...and oh..,oh..Apple n Google.,,god help us...... sorry to rant i am just not happy about this


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Comment #93 by fixurownemail
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 03:26:41 PM
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I am already worried. I am in the Navy, we don't get an internet connection. So of the game require an internet connection then what do I have if I want to take my game console on deployment with me? A $400+ paper wieght? I do not trust companies to make the "right choice" when it comes to how to implement the titles they produce. I only get single player and LAN game play and am truely afraid of losing this with this console.


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Comment #94 by NINERS2KX
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 03:28:24 PM
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Still looks sexy.. and a must buy.

MS will get everything sorted out by Nov


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Comment #95 by CellFrame
Thursday, May 23, 2013 @ 11:15:52 PM
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@91 - Entirely incorrect & bullshit, sorry. Making their next Xbox a fucking multimedia entertainment center which focus is off-gaming is most certainly not going to boost their sales; a "no crap - just gaming" approach would do that. The Xbox 360 has sold over 75 million units thus far because it's a gaming console. Are you seriously expecting the Xbox One to do the same - or even better? Most people that want a multimedia TV station are not gonna buy what is considered to be a "video-game console" and most gamers won't buy the Xbox One because it's NOT a video-game console - and for many other reasons.


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Comment #96 by mastermac07
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 02:40:43 AM
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i know one thing it happened with the 360 and it will probably happen with xbox one is you'll be the first one to buy it n your gonna get the red ring of death equivilent for the xbox one, its only afted a year or two that they get it right. they said at the press release that it would work right out of the box but have they really thought of how long a pro gamer plays they never account for all the variables when they release a new technology. sorry MS but my 360 is a GAMING console not an all in one enertainment system.

I will see u in a few years Xboxone but in the meantime the 360 is still king of the console.


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Comment #97 by BasqueNYC
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 08:38:06 AM
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Listen people and ya all know this it comes down to biz and money even if its shit we will buy it cause some of us just can't go PS4...

....also doesn't this new console look like a PS ?? Well at least to me just sayin

As for this one I will be in the minority as well as #20 said me and my wife are gamers but we use it for the apps and shit but we use our PS3 for blu ray only nothin else but now with this bein able to play blu ray the PS3 will be kept in our small storage room basement in the apt we live in

But I'm not gonna hurry to buy this I can wait


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Comment #98 by mjc0961
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 01:20:22 PM
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"Tempering this piece of bad news is confirmation that Xbox One won't utilise DRM or always-online functionality to block pre-owned games, so any such rumours pertaining to such a feature can be consigned to the dustbin. Although, you will apparently have to pay a fee to install used games though,"

Just a tip for future articles: having the game register itself to your profile and requiring other people who want to buy that copy of the game to pay a fee before they can is a form of DRM. So to say that the Xbox One won't utilize DRM is incorrect.


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Comment #99 by Fridgeater
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 02:16:25 PM
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I'm going to see what comes of E3 before I make my final decision. But as it stands, it's definitely the only one I'd consider out of the 3 big consoles. That being said, switching back to pc is becoming increasingly appealing.
My main reasons for thinking this are as follows;

The Xbox One has put a huge focus on being able to switch easily between TV, movies, Internet and games etc. The thing is, I don't have a TV and nor will I buy one. I use a monitor for my gaming that has a physical switch that allows me to switch from my pc and console, so all that stuff about quick switching is pointless.

The XB1 (seems to be a good enough acronym) has introduced the ability to "snap" panels together. That's great if you're single and don't have to consider how others feel but I live with my gf and I know she would get pissed off if I started web browsing while she was watching a movie. Besides I have an iPad I can use that for without disturbing her.

The pre-owned situation, I thought earlier I would be willing to spend a small amount to allow me to play preowned games but I've changed my mind on that. For a start I don't believe I should have to pay extra just to play something I bought (unless its a multiplayer game, or has multiplayer and then I want the option to not use that and therefore not pay). Secondly, I severely doubt that Microsoft won't screw people who play preowned predominantly by making the licence fee expensive. Plus if I borrow a game I want to be able to play it without paying, that's why I borrowed it, often I use borrowing games as a method to try a game out to see if I want to buy it. If I like it I'll buy it regardless of whether I completed it or not.

Backwards compatibility, this is a big thing for me, I want to be able to play my old library of games like Fallout 3 and Skyrim etc without having to either leave my old Xbox plugged in or having to reconnect all the cables. I know I could rebuy them digitally, but why should I? I already own physical copies of them.

Lastly, the always on thing... Yes it's not always on but there seem to be conflicting reports on that, especially the "phoning home" occasionally bit.

All in all, spending above £300 to be able to do what I already can do now with the flick of a switch seems pointless and I can upgrade my home entertainment pc to become a gaming rig of the similar caliber for just under £100.

These are all my own opinions, based on my situation, I know others aren't going to be in the same boat so perhaps for you it'll be a worthwhile purchase, but it's not for me.


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Comment #100 by JohnDoeXX
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 09:10:24 PM
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Is it just me or the new Xbox look fade???


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Comment #101 by Donnymite
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 09:44:37 PM
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I'll just stick with my 360 thank you very much, this thing is a flop.


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Comment #102 by triplewitching
Friday, May 24, 2013 @ 10:47:13 PM
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Multimedia, cloud, and TV features are of no interest to me, because they depend on a gold subscription, and I usually play silver, so all that fluff goes wink, like fairy godmother magic, most of the time for me.

Dedicated servers is a TERRIBLE idea. If you thought EA turning off servers was bad, wait until EVERY game's online can (and will) be turned off. I cannot believe they did not go the opposite route. If I were MSFT, id require all games to be able to do local server, if the main servers were ever turned off. Looks like unobtainable achievements will make their triumphant return en mass.

Backward comparability is no big deal to me. I'll be fully 'backward compatible' by not buying a xbox one, until im done with my old stuff. My PS1 and PS2 experience is that I move on, and only occasionally want to try something old, and usually not for more than a few hours. My PS2 (and PS1) games are all still here, gathering dust, along with the old consoles. Before i ditched my original xbox games, i tried to play through kotor 1 and 2, but the dated graphics were just too much, even to finish the first one, even though i was interested in finishing them. Ask yourself, how often do you play your old gameboy color games, or gameboy advance games ? The answer is never, because they are TOO OLD and CRAPPY LOOKING. DS still looks decent, in a PS2 kinda way, but this is less of an issue then people make it out to be.

Fee for used games is a real killer for me. Almost ALL my games are used now. The devil is in the pricing details, but anything more than $3 gets really painful fast, when most of my games are purchased in bulk at around $10 or less. This will cut way down on the number of games i play, and buy, and I dont think that is a good thing, especially for achievement hunting.

Trophies suck, and old PS3 games having or not having them also sucks, but the free onilne and no fees (that we know of) for used games are huge pluses for Sony, and I'm gonna have to think real hard, once I'm ready for next gen.


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Comment #103 by Dazz
Saturday, May 25, 2013 @ 06:32:47 PM
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I know the reveal wasn't too game heavy but honestly, I know for sure that I'll stick with my 360 and my Wii U until the Xbox One drops in price to something reasonable (after hearing the £300 rumour).

Just hoping that E3 gives us a fantastic reveal of games titles because so far, other than being able to carry your gamertag and achievements over to the new console, there's really nothing that's been said or shown so far to excite me and nothing to look forward to yet.


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Comment #104 by SevenDead1ySinz
Saturday, May 25, 2013 @ 11:36:36 PM
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I've seen a few people complain about hardware, and non-backwards compatibility. Let's see if I can straighten a few things out. PS4 and X1 are both using an AMD Jaguar 8 core CPU. PS4 is using 8 gigs of GDDR5, X1 is using 8 gigs of DDR3. The DDR3 is soldered and has lower latency than the GDDR5. To make up for the difference in shader cores the X1 has eSRAM. All in all, the consoles are very very similar in hardware and capabilities. Games will run almost identically on both consoles. There is a good article about all this here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4

Regarding backwards compatibility, the architecture is the reason it is a no go. Everything now is x86, to emulate 360 games they would need to put in additional hardware, this means increased price and increased heat. PS4 has already stated they wont be backwards compatibility either, just that PS3 games will have some sort of streaming service which they haven't gone into much details about yet. Microsoft has not indicated if such a service will or not be available, there is also the rumour of the Xbox Lite floating around.

As far as games go... settle down. This reveal was all about the hardware, not games. E3 is right around the corner, it will be there that you will be getting your games fix, stop whining like little children (seriously, stop).

Also, here is a good video by Wired on the new capabilities of the Kinect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5kMNfgDS4


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Comment #105 by CuddlyREDRUM
Sunday, May 26, 2013 @ 12:28:49 AM
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"It looks like a total clusterfuck"

Thanks for you HONEST opinion, XB!


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Comment #106 by n33njah
Sunday, May 26, 2013 @ 01:01:30 AM
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@92 it's confirmed that both systems run off that "slow out dated" chipset you're talking about. Xbox one has 8 gigs of ddr3 ram and ps4 has 8gigs of ddr5 ram. Amd built both chipsets and video units so you're getting an "underwhelming" out dated processor and mobo either direction. What turns it into a make or break for me is the once a day Internet connection ( yeah I have it now but what about when I move Internet isn't always available here)
The installation fee that will require you to copy or to each gamer tag at cost; the used game fee. Those are the make or break things to me.


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Comment #107 by stimpson j cat
Sunday, May 26, 2013 @ 03:37:32 PM
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Well I was impressed with the machine. EA was a let down! And where are the system sellers????


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Comment #108 by Kalathar
Sunday, May 26, 2013 @ 05:37:07 PM
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If i have to run two systems to play games i want i might as well go to playstation then. im not going to have 2 xboxs running because i want to play old games then go switch systems to a new one. I understand that the new one will play bluray discs. great PS3 had that when it came out and was able to go backwards with theirs if im correct.


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Comment #109 by speedysamt3r
Monday, May 27, 2013 @ 04:57:46 AM
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okay it wasn't the best reveal but to be honest i still think it will beat PS4 at E3 as i think they saved their games for then, but least they are expanding the ultimate xbox to have all entertainment PS4 is just an overglorfied PC and xbox will always be the best console and now sony have lost the blu-ray advantage i think thats it for them now really i believe microsoft will destroy sony at E3. furthermore in the last year i have been getting bored of always playing games and to be able to switch to movies or other entertainment in game is amazing and it has renewed my likeness to still play xbox and least its better than having only one reason to stay with xbox being the fact im a big halo fan and want to stay till all of the halo game series comes out. im just excited and looking forward to it now and COD looks good too, i only ever liked the modern series so hearing they have redifined again has renewed my need to be online and get a lot more subscription to make the most of the xbox one.


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Comment #110 by Finn Jake n BMO
Monday, May 27, 2013 @ 06:55:46 AM
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BRING BACK BILL GATES


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Comment #111 by Bob on
Monday, May 27, 2013 @ 08:19:34 AM
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A lot of people seem to be concentrating on things like backwards compatibility and the extra apps and that the XBone is not a games console anymore. Am I the only person that is concerned about the fact that you have to install your games to play them? I want a console that I can just stick a disc in and the game plays. How fast will you fill a 500GB HDD drive considering that the XBone games are going to be on Blu-ray, so are probably going to be a lot bigger than current 360 games? I don't want to be constantly deleting and installing games because my HDD is full.

And as for the 24hr internet check. What will happen in say 15 years time when they shut down the service for XBone (which they will) and the system is unable to do the 24hr check? Will I just have an expensive lump of plastic and some shiny frisbees? As someone who has all of their consoles and games from the past 25 years I'm not overjoyed by this prospect.

For the first time in 30 years of gaming I'm not excited about the next generation. I'll wait and see what comes out of E3, but I'm not optimistic.


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Comment #112 by Anna Sasin
Monday, May 27, 2013 @ 10:31:12 AM
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I am very angry after seeing the reveal, all of my worst fears have been realised and I will not be giving Microsoft any more money until they come to their senses.

One question I really want asked and answered relating to backwards compatibility is this, if the Xbox one is basically a PC and many of the games we own are available on PC you know Skyrim, COD, Assasins Creed etc then how damn hard would it be to have a small team getting them running on the new machine in the same way they did with Xbox games on 360.

Seems to me they are pulling the wool over our eyes many of the games we own are available on PS3, Xbox 360 and PC so the idea everyone seems to have accepted nah can't be done sorry, simply is not true.

It would of course mean companies like EA and Activision missing out on the opportunity to milk us even more but having put up with a decade of restrictive DRM its about time they passed yet another opportunity to fill their already humungous pockets with our loot.

The relationship between gamers and game providers has become increansingly an abusive relationship and personally enough is enough. Will I be buying the new Xbox no I will not.


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Comment #113 by stimpson j cat
Monday, May 27, 2013 @ 02:20:44 PM
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With the way things are right now......I just hate the fact that MS doesn't want me to share a game with a friend or vice versa. Sounds to me that I'm buying the rights to play a game and not to own it. Sure they say they will release more info on that topic and make 'sharing' possible, but if that's the case than games should be as cheap as a dollar and not the full monty! If this really is true then the 360 is my last gen. If PS is doing this too, PS3 is my last gen. I'm stuck with Wii U I guess and every retro console. Retro isn't that bad tho, missed out on many things.

And by the way. If a buy a new car, let's say a ford, and sell it after a few years later to my cousin, will ford come to his doorstep and ask him to buy a code to drive that car????? Ridicoulous! Come on MS! That's just insane.


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Comment #114 by TheWeasel
Monday, May 27, 2013 @ 11:07:22 PM
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@109 apparently you haven't read to many comments from other people stating about going to the ps4 due to the direction that M$ is going with the console?


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Comment #115 by machonach0
Tuesday, May 28, 2013 @ 08:13:59 AM
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Those three paragraphs under the second picture make me feel like I don't ever want this, 'thing.' Can't play Xbox, arcade, or 360 games? Pay to play used games? This is just wrong for so many reasons, and I don't doubt there are a few more details I'm unaware of that would make me wonder how they're able to call this a gaming console. I think I'll just stick with my current system. Neither the ps4 or Xbox one look like they're worth spending money on.


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Comment #116 by 12beat
Tuesday, May 28, 2013 @ 03:11:10 PM
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what a let down, WE'LL HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR PREOWNED GAMES. might switch to the ps4 or stay with this xbox.


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Comment #117 by dbole007
Tuesday, May 28, 2013 @ 04:51:15 PM
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Ok,
First, it was a a reveal, they werent going to answer EVERY question. I am excited, I mean i have gone through 2 360s, only as i wanted the newer slim model.. I understand why the current games wont work, as it is trying to run an old dos game on a high end pc from today, wont happen.... IF, and that is a big IF, they can backward compatible games, would be some from last year and this year, but the publishers would spend too much time recoding the games and testing them. Then if they didnt work on the new console, you all would whine and complain still,,, so, there is your reason for that.. As far as the snap app and the cool features, I may use them. The thing that impressed me was the graphics, it looks like console are finally on par or close to PC games.. Lets give MS time to show us more, our time at E3 is coming, so hold on and lets see what they wow us with. I hope they have some new awesome titles. I preordered BF4 for the 360, changing it to the new consoles soon as I can.. no more new games for me to buy..


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Comment #118 by Howling Mad Rik
Wednesday, May 29, 2013 @ 05:38:17 AM
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Well, my 4th Xbox died on me, so waiting on them to drop in price, did see some pics of the xboxone, some wag must of played in photoshop to add the 3 rrod.

Guessing these can never be retro machines, how many servers will be up in 20 years to let you play the games!!


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Comment #119 by Farrmark
Wednesday, May 29, 2013 @ 12:52:16 PM
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TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV TV SPORTS TV TV TV TV COD

That about sums up the presentation for me.

All the information people really wanted was dripped out after the event by various contradictory MS sources and still needs to be cleared up. This could be the console that breaks UK Retail not reinvigorates it :(


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Comment #120 by jordanwyo
Wednesday, May 29, 2013 @ 05:46:19 PM
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Let me pose a question to microsoft. Why have achievements and gamerscore keep going to the next generation box if games aren't backwards compatible? This must be the plan to keep a little interest going for the 360 long after the new xbox is out.


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Comment #121 by Dx2008Dx
Thursday, May 30, 2013 @ 02:47:49 AM
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Xbox One and Used Games

We know there is some confusion around used games on Xbox One and wanted to provide a bit of clarification on exactly what we’ve confirmed today. While there have been many potential scenarios discussed, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail.

Beyond that, we have not confirmed any specific scenarios.

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend’s house – should you choose to play your game at your friend’s house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.

found this article on

http://majornelson.com/page/2/


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Comment #122 by xSEWER CIDERx
Thursday, May 30, 2013 @ 08:58:07 AM
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i just want to play games.
GAMES.
i have a smart phone for most of the other shit.
i'm sticking with the 360 until Microsoft unfuck themselves.
i am also an overweight alcoholic i have no desire to bounce around in front of the fucking kinect 2 like a stupid "healthy" clown-person spilling my beer and ashing my cigarette all over the floor.
sigh........................................



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Comment #123 by LFC IGGY
Thursday, May 30, 2013 @ 02:19:05 PM
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amazon.co.uk have listed it at £599 and fifa 14, cod: ghosts and watchdogs at £89.99, all tho these could be placeholder prices.


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Comment #124 by Xenolith666
Thursday, May 30, 2013 @ 09:04:29 PM
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I am not (and who is really) a big fan of this used game fee.. what does this do to a company like Gamefly; or gamers that rely on Gamefly for a source of their games?


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Comment #125 by Slayinfool
Friday, May 31, 2013 @ 12:01:42 PM
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Time for a new hobby me thinks.


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Comment #126 by BraSSmonkeyS25
Sunday, June 02, 2013 @ 03:44:10 PM
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Looks a little beefy... but I know that i'll stick with Microsoft because of their achievement system instead of Sony's bull s*** trophy system.


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Comment #127 by RockMan Respect
Sunday, June 02, 2013 @ 05:01:57 PM
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I watched the XboxOne reveal with a friend and afterwards he turned to me and said "Well that was the best ad for a PS4 I've seen so far."


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Comment #128 by bluHatter
Monday, June 03, 2013 @ 10:45:45 AM
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I'm a little concerned about privacy with the Xbox One. It appears Microsoft is integrating Skype as the communication platform for the new generation. Unfortunately, security experts recently uncovered a built-in backdoor that allows Microsoft (and potentially hackers) to read "encrypted" communications. That sort of practice makes me nervous about allowing the same company to place an always-listening 1080p monitoring device in my living room. I hope a 3rd party develops some sort of privacy switch or screen. Or maybe I'll just have to stop gaming in my pajamas...


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Comment #130 by crispykiller96
Wednesday, June 05, 2013 @ 08:07:11 PM
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Stupid name stupid system

the details shown so far are depressing and boring

how can you possibly call this an all in one machine if it has no bearings on the 360 sorry the most successfull money making machine this generation if the xbox one wants some stability it needs to implant support for the 360 judging by the sheer size of the console was developing a smaller version of the 360 motherboard too much hard work the early ps3 had it why not this there is nothing that entices me to move to the big One the preowned part is bullshit too i just cant afford new games all the time and being the tight ass i am wait until games are dirt cheap there is absolutly nothing that excited me about the xbox one at all!!!!

I have a huge backlog of 360 games i want to play and 100% so im not worried


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Comment #131 by crispykiller96
Wednesday, June 05, 2013 @ 08:10:01 PM
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im massively considering moving to the PC next generation sorry not the failboxOne


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Comment #132 by lighthouse777
Thursday, June 06, 2013 @ 05:55:22 PM
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well no more renting games.. it has been confirmed
used games up to the publisher.. but you can only lend a game , once, and only to a person on your friends list
you must have an internet connection to play the xbone, but you only need to be online once every 24 hrs.. but you must connect at least every 24 hrs or you will not be able to play your xbone..
so for those of you who take their console on vacation.. and do not have internet connection.. forget about playing your xbox.. sigh

i will NOT be getting xbone.. done with micro$oft
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/main


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Comment #133 by Duds911
Saturday, June 08, 2013 @ 07:13:39 PM
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People, I think question we should all be asking here is...will it blend?


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Comment #134 by HareJordan23
Monday, June 10, 2013 @ 12:19:53 AM
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Xbox. One you shouldn't buy?


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Comment #135 by RockMan Respect
Monday, June 10, 2013 @ 09:55:57 PM
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Microsoft is pulling a major Xboner


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Comment #136 by KingAntz
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 03:42:38 AM
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Don't want a multi media unit! Want a games console!!! Don't want to be limited to Internet accessed play only an does not want to be spied upon through the Kinect either. Sovhow does the 24hr log in limit work? if we dont play every day does that mean we will be blocked out?!?! The fact that there is no 2nd hand market means its new games all the way at what £60 a pop, really?!
PS4 sounds slightly more inviting this time around now.


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Comment #137 by Dazz
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 01:47:28 PM
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Yep, my mind's made up after seeing the E3 press conferences. It'll be the Wii U all the way for me in the next gen.

The 24 hour log in limit sounds dumb, the lack of backwards compatibility is ridiculous if they suddenly cut off support for the 360 and its online with games still left to be played for the first time.

Most frustrating thing is you can't borrow discs from friends or family to try them out before deciding if you wanna purchase or just to swap games for a brief period like gamers have done since consoles first hit the market in the 80s. That means if I wanted to borrow a game from a cousin and lend him one in return, wouldn't be able to do that at all.

Not to mention the only game I was interested in during the conference was Killer Instinct's return to consoles. I'd even turn to the dark side and buy a Sony console if theirs looked interesting, which it doesn't.

Oh well, so long Microsoft. It was nice knowing you these past 6 years.


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Comment #138 by Allionia
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 @ 10:50:30 PM
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I honestly didn't really like the name of the console they chosen, "Xbox One"
I was really hopeing they would stick with the console name "Xbox Infinite"
Other than that, seem's like a great console.


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Comment #139 by Bala Bing
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 @ 07:30:57 AM
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Can someone help me out here.

If you read through the web, you can see a host of gamers jumping ship and claiming the PS4 is the new way forward for them. I for one am not giving up 6 years of gamerscore that easily, but I do need convincing on one issue.

Call me mad, but I can log online when im due to play and Xbox can watch me chill out on my sofa if they really want to, but as an older gamer who has always bought the latest/best console, I just wanna know if its worth paying out £525 to be able to have COD Ghosts and BF4 on the X1 as opposed to just paying £80 and having them both on the 360.

Am I gonna notice a major differnce between the formats?

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I dont wanna get involved in PS4 vs X1, I just wanna make sure either console wows me with a step forward in all I wanna do - play games.


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Comment #140 by irish fury187
Friday, June 14, 2013 @ 10:36:10 PM
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xbox one was exactly what I thought it would be....359 steps backwards


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Comment #141 by bjh_27
Saturday, June 15, 2013 @ 02:19:06 PM
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I am an Xbox gamer since day one of the first box in 2001.
Unfortunately the arrogance of MS has driven me to move to PS4.
They made the ultimate mistake: forgot the gamers who would be buying their console...astonishing.


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Comment #142 by Aeterna Miseria
Tuesday, June 18, 2013 @ 10:09:17 PM
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Meh unless they make a version that plays 360 discs I wont buy it


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Comment #143 by FSparacino4
Wednesday, June 19, 2013 @ 09:38:06 AM
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@139 Well asides from looking alot better and having more destructability (BF4 anyways), the player count for BF4 on the 360 will remain the same 16v16, while the XB1 will allow 32v32 play with 60 frames/second. That os a huge improvement in my opinion. Sorry, but I dont have much info on CoD Ghosts.

@140 How is this any steps backwards? They havent forgotten about gamers. They are giving us amazing games and a bunch of extras. I think you just like to complain for no reason.

@141 Neither is the PS4. It isn't possible with the new hardware.


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Comment #144 by BasqueNYC
Friday, June 21, 2013 @ 08:48:58 AM
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I pre bought both I figure me and my wife will use the X1 for it multimedia and the PS4 for playin games we set 1000 aside once we heard about this and they both seem equal really Cept X1 seems more on movies,music,etc than games which is cool but I see why mad heads are pissed

We will see all the youtube vids the day after on Nov 31st of people being in bliss over it of people ranting

Me persnally I don't care about my gamer score if I have to start another no big but I understand some cats are very proud of their hard work yrs worth bein tossed in the blink of an eye


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Comment #145 by IndomitableNige
Saturday, June 22, 2013 @ 06:28:47 PM
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Xbox
19 June
We at Xbox love games. More importantly, we at Xbox love gamers. Today we announced changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, loan and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Also, an internet connection won’t be required to play offline Xbox One games. We look forward to gaming with you for years to come. http://xbx.lv/15kFTfp


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Comment #146 by EbonyPegasus1
Sunday, July 07, 2013 @ 06:15:05 PM
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I doesn't really matter what they put out. I'll be buying it anyway. That's sad...


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Comment #147 by RockMan Respect
Saturday, July 20, 2013 @ 11:20:00 AM
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I like how they failed to bother with compatibility for 360 games and 360 arcade games, yet they force kinect down our throats. Moving forward does not mean forgetting the past.


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