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Remastered Games and the 'Newer is Better' Problem

Remastered Games and the 'Newer is Better' Problem

Written Monday, July 21, 2014 By John Robertson

In amongst all the talk of cloud streaming, maturing subscription models, virtual reality and social connectivity, one next-gen phenomenon currently stands tallest and most prominently above all others. Despite the lofty, near-Biblical promises designed to convince us that the latest wave of consoles are set to revolutionise video games, that they're somehow going to take everything you knew before and make it look like it was designed by a dog fumbling over a keyboard, it's currently the provocative 're-release' that's dominating the console landscape.

Look at the line-up between now and Christmas. The promised Holy Grails of Destiny, Alien Isolation and Evolve sandwiched between The Last of Us Remastered, Metro Redux, The Walking: Dead Game of the Year Edition, Halo: The Master Chief Collection, Diablo 3: Ultimate Evil Edition and PS4/Xbox One editions of Minecraft and Grand Theft Auto V PS4/Xbox One.

While the list is substantial (and longer than detailed), the prevalence of the re-release should come as little surprise. The optimistic view of their existence is that they provide another chance for people to experience them; either because they haven't owned the system/s upon which they were originally released, they were busy with other games or they're looking to play them again. The cynical view is that they're cheap to produce, their exalted status makes them a definite sale and it's easy to take advantage of people's willingness to forget their old system/s existed as soon they buy a new one.

Both viewpoints are likely correct depending on perspective; the side you gravitate towards probably dependent on how many of these games you've already played and how eager you are for genuinely new experiences.

It has been suggested that the re-release phenomenon represents a dramatic shift in how we think about games, that we're getting over the caustic mindset of the newest games being automatically the best games. This mindset, incidentally, is one of the most poisonous elements inherent to the technology-obsessed video game industry at large - preventing back-catalogue products achieving the same revered status as examples from film, literature and music.

We tend to think of old games, particularly those that originally appeared on 'legacy' consoles (i.e. pre-PS1 era), as being part of a landscape that no longer exists and has only the most threadbare link to our present. If the re-release approach can solve this issue of transience then more power to it.

Does repackaging The Last of Us, Diablo 3 and GTA V genuinely suggest that we're finally embracing and celebrating older games, though? No, it doesn't. Diablo 3 is a little over two years old, The Last of Us has only just celebrated its one-year anniversary and GTA V is still suckling at Rockstar's teat it's so young. These are not the games of yesterday being re-touched and brought to a new audience, they're the games of today delivered with a sparkly new paint job.

In a sense these releases only serve to strengthen the idea that the bulk of consumers are interested only in the prettiest, newest games. How many people that haven't already played The Last of Us would think about picking up a PS3 copy today? Conversely, how many people would buy the PS4 thanks to the (presumably) improved visuals and its status as a 'new release'?

That's still not the say that such releases are an entirely negative thing (not least because there are people that won't have had access to them in the past, especially given PS4's success in attracting fresh Sony loyalists), but they're most certainly not indicative of a consumer base willing to look to the video gaming past and view it as the equal of the present.

Another school of thought says that the fact such re-releases feature improved visuals means that they're closer to what their developers had always intended them to be. Again, this view only demonstrates further that video games' understanding of 'better' equates to 'more technologically advanced'; that somehow moving closer to photo-realism is the ultimate goal of game design.

The idea that The Last of Us on PS3 should be the equal of the PS4 version would be ridiculous in this context, despite its status as the original (and originally celebrated) proposition.

Could you imagine someone saying that a Charlie Chaplin movie would be 'better' if it was given an HD upgrade, had colour added and voices dubbed over the top? Such movies stand as wonderful examples of the kind of entertainment that characterised their time and place, altering them to fit a new consumer base is akin to erasing (or at least brushing over) their original history.

Similarly, you wouldn't repaint the Mona Lisa simply because a new compound of paint was invented capable of adding a little extra gloss.

When extra care and attention is given to a re-release it can, however, provide a good opportunity for fans of the original to experience a game from a different viewpoint. Metro Redux seems to be a good example for this, 4A Games going the extra step to add new features, redesign whole levels and shake things up with game-changing difficulty alterations.

This care and attention taken to provide something tweaked and different, rather than solely upscaling the visuals, makes Metro Redux interesting as an additional companion piece to the original games - a director's cut as opposed to a remastering, an alternate vision to the original rather than a replacing of it.

For certain is the fact that re-releases are here to stay, the cycle of hardware improvements that dominates the video game ecosystem will make sure of that. What's less certain is the lasting value of the majority of these products beyond the obvious financial gain. While it's nice for new players to have a convenient way to explore pre-existing games that they've not yet played, the idea that older games are somehow immediately superior (worth playing at all, in fact) when they appear on new hardware is a view that undermines video games as a means of expression and creativity.

Furthermore, there's another interesting question surrounding this topic pertinent exclusively to the PlayStation brand and the upcoming PlayStation Now launch. The whole idea of PS Now is to provide access to back-catalogue games, so why release remastered editions at all other than to prove that newer really does equate to 'better'?





 
 

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Comment #1 by LH Cerberus
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 06:48:56 PM
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IMO: Moneygrabbing Bastards !
They just release the 'alltime clasics' which where popular back then.
If I want to play an old/classic game I grab one of my old consoles or even sometimes an emulator on pc and go for it.
But I need new games for my new console and not games I had played years ago.
I have no prob with a sequel or prequel for an old game. But to play e.g. Halo remastered or Halo re-remastered Elite Superpro Edition? No thanks.


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Comment #2 by Fire Hawk D
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 06:54:53 PM
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@1: You say "Moneygrabbing" like that's a bad thing (it's "moneygrubbing", by the way). Welcome to capitalism! It makes money. It works. Why in the world wouldn't they do it?

My opinion on the matter is that I don't really care. Heck, I haven't played any of the remasterings listed except Minecraft and The Walking Dead, so I'll happily play them on Xbox One. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has either never played those games being re-released or will happily play them again.


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Comment #3 by hisnameisfrank
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 08:37:41 PM
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I'm with #2 on this one. There were quite a few games that I just didn't play yet, and I'm actually glad they are releasing them for current gen. Even those that I HAVE played, some may warrant another playthrough just because I enjoyed them so much.

Besides, this may be new to the video game industry, but it's been going on with movies for decades.


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Comment #4 by xN1GHT SH4D0Wx
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 08:47:33 PM
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I didnt mind a few re releases at the beginning of the consoles life cycle and yes I no its not a year old yet but when some of these re masters come out it will be and tbh I think by the thats when the consoles should be starting to get pushed a bit more and not doing basically reskins of not even old games. in my opinion the sooner we start getting more actual new games developed specifically for the new consoles and start getting less re makes the better.


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Comment #5 by Grummy
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 09:05:20 PM
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As usual I greatly disagree with a lot of the suggestions put forward on such articles on this site.

For one thing, you're putting a hell of a lot more thought into this than is warranted. You're talking about how people buying these games means this and that about how we perceive old games, but you have nothing to back that up. The reality is that these are simple cash grabs, more profit for little new financial outlay, which I have no problem with, they're businesses selling a product for profit, we choose to buy it or not, it's that simple, there is nothing unjust, underhand or otherwise wrong about them doing it.

This following quote from the article was interesting to me in so far as I find it almost completely untrue;

"We tend to think of old games, particularly those that originally appeared on 'legacy' consoles (i.e. pre-PS1 era), as being part of a landscape that no longer exists and has only the most threadbare link to our present."

Who is 'we' exactly? Can you provide me some evidence of this to prove your point as from my perspective, whilst in the past it is true to say that landscape didn't exist anymore I don't know anyone who has ever suggested that it only has a threadbare link to our present. If anything, all seasoned gamers are very very aware that our present only exists because of our past, they take pride in it, that they were a part of those early generations that set the foundations for what we have now. They see the progression of ideas and themes from those early games to what we have today. The real truth is that modern gaming has grown in numbers thanks to publicity and the new gamers are marginally aware of the past at best, they have no reason to be interested in it. This isn't unique to the games industry. Many teenagers will be able to tell you all about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but will never have watched Casablanca or To Kill a Mockingbird, they will enjoy watching Supernatural, but have no idea of X-Files, They'll watch the WWE without ever knowing about the territory system and the legacy of the AWA/NWA/WCCW et al, they'll watch United vs Chelsea but not have a clue that the Premier League has barely been around for 20 years. The fact is that new consumers have no experience of the best and need to be educated. In the recent past that has been left individuals making the effort and the occasional 'ultimate collection' turning up. But more and more recently old school style games have been making their way back thanks to XBLA and other outlets for the indie games scene.

A development studio wanting to make their game the absolute best it can be does not intrinsically mean 'better graphics' or anything else, it means have better resources available to create the experience they wanted. Bioware talk about Dragon Age: Inquisition being the DA game they always wanted to make, but they don't talk about graphics, it's about being able to produce the complete experience with all the gameplay and design they always wanted. There is no crime in that and them wanting that does not mean that they want photo realism, that is something you have completely spun out of thin air to try and prove your ridiculous theory. No one is saying that technological superiority equates to better, it simply means that in some cases it is necessary for a developer to create the exact experience they intended. Again, that is not a crime, it is not saying that 'more is better', only that sometimes 'more is necessary' and you can't deny the truth in that. Regardless what you may think about all of this, sometimes 'more' is necessary for the experience that a developer wants to create. That isn't to say it's necessary for all games and some developers wanting it doesn't mean that all of gaming is doomed to want it just because they automatically assume 'more is better'.

This entire article is you pinning thoughts and opinions, justifications and reasons, explanations on things that have no concrete proof, only some spurious circumstantial evidence at best. Just because new gamers are uneducated about the past doesn't mean that the past is forgotten and just because some people like photorealism and the 'more is better' approach it doesn't mean that everyone does and that the games industry is doomed to be filled with shallow, pointless experiences.

As something to support MY opinions, I'll point to Sunset Overdrive. Whilst yes it is a game in a fully rendered 3D world, that really is where the 'more is better' approach ends. Sunset Overdrive is a game I'm particularly excited by because it reminds me so much of those classic pre-PS1 games, where silly ideas prevailed just because fun was the goal, where logic and photorealism didn't matter, where developers did things just because they were silly and cool, it has that same childish heart, that same innocent soul that permeated through fat little Italian plumbers and blue hedgehogs back in the day. Sure its shinier, bigger, has a 3D world, voice acting and lots of enemies on screen, but it couldn't be the game it is without those things. It also couldn't be the game it is with just those things, it needs the soul of old school gaming as well, which is has. In your pessimistic view of how all of gaming has become shallow and obsessed with 'perfection' of graphics (which I don't entirely disagree with, it would be remiss of me to say this isn't something which exists because it noticeably does) you have overlooked the fact that not everyone thinks that way and that there are games out there, indie and 'mainstream' (I really don't have a better term for it) that are bridging the gap between old and modern, games that remember and revel in the past, recapture that old, innocent fun in modern trappings.


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Comment #6 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 11:03:15 PM
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They're remastering all these games because the new consoles are backward compatible and its more convenient to buy the new version instead of hooking up the old console. Which is good for game companies. I know people will bring up just hook up your old console but we live in an age of convenience.


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Comment #7 by Jaws as Crowns
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 11:06:29 PM
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Arent*


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Comment #8 by OptimumBanana
Monday, July 21, 2014 @ 11:18:28 PM
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@5 So what date is your book out ?


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Comment #9 by BigFresh
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 12:27:38 AM
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@5

Bioware say DA Inquisition is the game 'they always wanted to make' because it would sound stupid if they didn't. "Oh, hey! Buy this new Dragon Age, it's not the one we always wanted to make, but buy it!"

And your point about this paragraph...

"We tend to think of old games, particularly those that originally appeared on 'legacy' consoles (i.e. pre-PS1 era), as being part of a landscape that no longer exists and has only the most threadbare link to our present."

People do think of those games are being part of a different world. Why do you think we have the cute, patronising little 'retro games' term? You don't listen to a Led Zeppelin album and say 'I'm going to listen to retro music now'. No, it's all just 'music'. In games it's 'new games' and 'retro games'.

This is an industry obsessed with putting new labels and new tags onto things in order to shift them to customers.

I pretty much agree with this article, especially the bit about people playing The Last of us Remastered coz it's on PS4. Those same people not caring about it if was only on PS3 coz the graphics aint as good. I know people that have said the exact same thing.


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Comment #10 by kaiyo penguin
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 01:57:35 AM
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personally if i wanna play a certain game i own on an older system i will do just that, the ps2 and mega drive still get some much deserved love for instance, but saying that i would quite happily buy another copy for a newer system if it meant being able to play with friends from other places in the world rather than just local.


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Comment #11 by bateboyback
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 06:32:31 AM
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I think Re-releases and Remastered games are great, if its been enough time since it first came out. They should no Re-releases of any games from last gen unless they bundle it with a new game or a sequel (like Bayonetta 2 coming with Bayonetta 1). Games like Metro and Halo shouldn't be Remastered, games like Star wars KOTOR and the The Elder Scrolls Trilogy should.


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Comment #12 by The_Truth
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 10:11:18 AM
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I'm rebuying the Last of Us for the same reason I always buy the new releases of Star Wars. Because it's an experience that means the world to me, and although I can never do it for the first time again I can have the joy and excitement of getting it from a somewhat fresh perspective. Gullible maybe, but at least TLoU:R won't feature a surprise Hayden Christensen cameo.


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Comment #13 by MathGuy42
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 10:50:41 AM
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Given the site we're on, I'm surprised the article didn't mention stacking achievements as a reason some will buy a remastered game.


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Comment #14 by MV Agusta 1078R
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 12:05:07 PM
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There needs to be a Fatal Frame HD Collection seeing as Silent Hill got one and Resident Evil had 4 and Code: Veronica in HD.


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Comment #15 by TheKeyPit
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 12:17:16 PM
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Gameplay is going to be the same. THE reason why I haven't bought Tomb Raider: Definitive Edition. It's the same experience with slightly better graphics.


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Comment #16 by Grumftheld
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 02:57:53 PM
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@9 Thanks for taking the time to read my list, I've identified 3 points in your reply and will respond to them in order.

First Bioware and DA, whilst you're not wrong, it doesn't mean that it cant be both. Of course they're going to spin it as 'the best DA yet', but does that really mean that it isn't ALSO the DA game they always wanted to make? Of course not, and it would be remiss of you to suggest otherwise (not that you have).

On your point about 'retro'. I didn't say there wasn't a separation, in fact I spoke at length about how new gamers are largely unaware of the past. I also showed how this isn't something that is unique to the games industry. Go to youtube in a Justin Bieber video and see the arguments about whether ir not he us the best ever or if he sucks and is nothing compared to "real music" from Zeppelin or ACDC. Young people are always unaware of the quality of the last if they're not educated to it, but that still doesn't mean that no-one appreciates the past. Older people, seasoned gamers etc, we remember and appreciate the past, revel in it.
As for the question of the term 'retro', this is still a juvenile media compared to cinema and music, its still trying to find its identity and find acceptance as a media and art form. The term retro is simply one of many labels in the industry, one used to identify with our past, not to ignore it. It might not be the right label, but its the one we have. But whilst we're on the subject, its not just the gaming industry that uses labels. What, exactly, us 'real' music? Who really is the 'Prince of Pop' and the 'King if Rock n Roll'? When was the 'Golden Age' of Hollywood? Get my point, media uses labels to give identity to its history, its a way to pay homage to it, to show respect and reverance, 'retro gaming' is such a label. Regardless of that though, having the retro label does not intrinsically mean that the oadt is forgotten or relegated, just the opposite it is remembered and repackaged for new generations to appreciate.

Finally, TLOU remaster. Why is this an issue? Why is it wrong for someone to choose a remastered version because it looks better? Graphics and photo realism are treated like dirty words, but they're not. If someone has bought a PS4, why shouldn't they play the PS4 version. Them doing so doesn't mean anything accept that that individual wanted the best experience for himself. This doesn't mean we all think the same or that we all think better graphics make games better, it just means that some people do. Good for them, there is a world of difference between getting a shinier version of a shiny game and thinking a game is less worthy if its less shiny. This industry isn't that shallow, if it was, games like Minecraft would never have found success. Remasters don't make older versions worthless and there is nothing deeper to the whole charade than a simple money grab. I bought the remaster of Tomb Raider as I never played the 360 version. Does that mean I now have no regard for other games that aren't as photorealistic? Based on these 2 posts I don't think I need to answer that.


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Comment #17 by Grummy
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 03:01:18 PM
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Oops. It appears I have a second account I didn't even know about. Not sure how that happened. Anyway, just to confirm, the previous post is from me as well. Cheers.


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Comment #18 by s2h6
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 04:59:13 PM
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Personally I would say the gaming industry has shared the same path as the film industry. When DVD came market there were loads of films that were 'digitally remastered' and filled with extras. We have had the same with Blu-ray now. Hell we even have versions of Star Wars where George Lucas has gone back and changed the films (the infamous who shot first).
Like everything it has both its positives and negatives, but the honest true is its done because it makes money with a lot less financial risk and the reason why it makes money is because we as consumers buy them.
I do think there are a couple of further points that the article missed:
Sometimes the remakes/remasters are actually for games that are no longer avaiable; Grim Fandango would be an example and one I would recommend personally.
At the early stage of a consoles life there aren't great numbers of games available and it takes time for games to be developed. This is one way of expanding titles on a console a lot quicker.
As I said before this is a way to generate revenue at less expense. The money they are making from this is money the developers and publishers will be using to invest in future games.


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Comment #19 by SinisterPledge
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 05:15:04 PM
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Once again John Robertson is spreading his bullshit. After your pathetic E3 summary you proved to be completely hypocritic and biased. Why are you still writing for this site?


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Comment #20 by Jaws as Crowns
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 06:20:08 PM
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@19 "I don't agree with you therefore you're wrong"


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Comment #21 by Miikesmama
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 06:55:48 PM
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I'm generally ok with re-releases, but I am sure this way of making a quick dollar is the main reason why neither MS nor Sony thought about making their new consoles backwards compatible!!

I would buy a One in a second if it still could play my 360 games!


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Comment #22 by HGONZ
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 08:30:14 PM
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i have no problem with remasters and re-releases. I am going to get the Last of us remastered on the 29th as I never played it on the PS3 and it comes with all the DLC so it is a steal in that sense. But I am also getting the Halo Master chief collection due to not being into Halo in the past. I currently finished Final Fantasy X HD and that was great, the graphical upgrade was well worth it, if they did that with Final Fantasy 6 or 7 that would be even better and well worth the money.


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Comment #23 by deluxnugs
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 @ 08:55:12 PM
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Metro is going to look so sweet.


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Comment #24 by FullMoonBeaver
Wednesday, July 23, 2014 @ 02:12:54 PM
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Some people will play a game again, due to achievements. Don't forget that. I will get Walking Dead again on XBO. I will also get Minecraft again as well, but not just for achievements.


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Comment #25 by BigFresh
Wednesday, July 23, 2014 @ 11:44:57 PM
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@16

I think on some level we have common ground and, even if thats not the case, it's nice (and unusual) to converse with someone actually willing to talk 'properly'. i.e. without simple insults over disagreements.

The 'retro' term is, though, I think, used to separate games into different existences. On the one side you have the retro experiences (typical download only and featuring a style that is no longer used) and on the other side you have 'new experiences'.

There's no other medium that so obviously separates its art into the 'now' and the 'old'. The 'retro' label is the biggest example of that. The examples about movies and music you gave ('Prince of Pop' and 'Golden Age' etc) are used to describe either specific time periods or specific artists. They're not used to symbolise everything that came before a certain date.

The Golden Age of Hollywood was a very specific time, it doesn't include everything made before 1994 (or whatever year you want to pick). Hollywood of the 70s is considered very different than Hollywood of the 40s.

In games that doesn't happen, it's either next-gen or old-gen. Or it's new or retro. When I read the article that's what I thought about and I think it's true that we do think about it like that.


@19

Yeah... you don't agree so it's all bull. Even if you don't agree this is a topic that does actually mean something to games industry today and is worth talking about, no matter what your opinion is.



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Comment #26 by WackyCactus
Thursday, July 24, 2014 @ 06:57:21 AM
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I will just say this. Bad Company 2 remastered. Now that I would love, and that I would buy. Other than that, if I want a game, I just get it on my 360. Any new games that come out though, I buy for the X One.


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Comment #27 by Kaztrofy
Thursday, July 24, 2014 @ 08:04:36 AM
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I see these "easy cash grabs" the same way that see dvd/bd releases; like if you want to play this game today, this is the version you want to play (given it's faithful to the original).

Aside from that theres a more important aspect than that, one of availability. Theres so many games out there that is almost impossible to access because they're out of print or the required systems are no longer being made. If i wanted to watch Star Wars in the 80's i bought a VHS copy, if i wanted to watch it in the 90's i bought a dvd copy and if i want to watch it today i buy the bd.

So if you're against these remasters should i stick to the vhs copy or perhaps reside to memories if i happened to be in the theatre 30 years ago? Maybe forget the movie even existed?

I get the point that some games being remastered a little too soon but this issue isnt time related imo its technical driven, the last generation was very long so alot of games had some limited framerate and resolutions that stopped them from being what they could and should have been. This is also why so few games are being remasterd for the PC, they already look like they should and is also forward compatible, thats the idea anyway.

So to sum it up, these remasters are needed to preserve games and to make them available in the best condition for those who "weren't there" when it was hot, not to mention coming generations who didnt even had the chance.


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Comment #28 by Luis Ownz
Thursday, July 24, 2014 @ 04:23:38 PM
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Major titles like Halo, GTA V, The Last of Us I can see being exceptional. Games like Minecraft are just too big to keep on last gen consoles. But games like Sleeping Dogs and Metro should not be ported. Not to say any of those two are bad but they dont have the triple A status or strong fanbases of the major titles mentioned.


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Comment #29 by angelusanya78
Friday, July 25, 2014 @ 06:27:50 AM
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@21 I hear that. I keep hoping that they will bring it in so that I can justify it to my girlfriend lol


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Comment #30 by adz5000
Friday, July 25, 2014 @ 06:45:17 PM
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I have only had xbox consoles but plan to add a PS4 to my collection within the next 12-18 months and I will gladly buy the remastered editions of the amazing PS exclusives I may have missed such as Uncharted and Last Of Us.

If you like 'em buy 'em if you don't then don't. Like it or not the remasters are here to stay.

Heck think of all the "Pre-Blu-Ray Era" movies that have been remastered in Blu Ray and TV series box sets too and people lap them up and they are only a new lick of paint too!


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Comment #31 by macd
Monday, July 28, 2014 @ 02:47:52 PM
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4 of the last games I bought on steam are: Final Fantasy VII, Final fantasy VIII, Age of Mythology HD, Age of Empires 2 HD. All of which I own on PSX or PC already but wanted the "improved" versions as my PS2 is mostly knackered (and my PSX got chucked I guess? I haven't seen it in years) and the disks for both PC games are a pain (between not entirely working and needing them if I'm away soemwhere).


I also replay a lot of old games on emulators.

I feel some are a bit of a money grab (I think for the 4 games I mentioned about on Steam, they could have upgraded the graphics a little more without incurring a prohibitive cost). FF7 still has a couple of well known glitches in it too. Seriously, they were very lazy about this. Now, the games all still stand up because they are games I love and they are also generally great games. But I do feel they rather mug us off. Then again, I keep giving them money, so I can't fault them.


Another gripe is with stuff like Halo:CE Anniversary. I knew it was Halo: CE again but I expected some of the newer features from Halo games to be included assuming they weren't plot related developments. So boarding vehicles wasn't in CE, but because they hadn't thought of it yet. On the plus side, they at least bothered to overhaul the graphics to bring it up to standard, unlike the steam games I mentioned above.


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Comment #32 by SinisterPledge
Monday, July 28, 2014 @ 10:22:06 PM
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@20 Yes.

@25 No.


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Comment #33 by Play Up Pomp3y
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 @ 01:24:54 PM
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I'm probably against reissues like GTA V, but at least that game will probably be a smooth, trouble free game to play. As someone who just spent £40 on Sniper Elite 3 on the One, no wonder older games are being bought by gamers when studios release new games that are so unfinished they are essentially broken.
I would like to see reworkings of old games rather than boring reissue versions. Tomb raider anniversary was a great game that was different enough to be exciting but kept enough of the original to be nostalgic. A similar idea applied to resident evil 1&2 or silent hill would be a day one buy from me!


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Comment #34 by Spandex Stiffy
Tuesday, July 29, 2014 @ 04:13:27 PM
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If people will buy them, they should be ported. Why not? There's plenty of new great games in the pipeline. If all we were getting was recycled material, yes, this would be valid. Otherwise, play and let play.


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Comment #35 by Destro
Wednesday, July 30, 2014 @ 03:22:38 AM
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well... re-release of the same games are really unnessary in a way. For exemple yes i will buy Diablo 3 reaper of soul, but only because i want to do the extension... i could had deal with just a simple DLC on the market place.

Then the HALO compilation, well its cool because Halo 2 was not remade and now you will be able to have the whole serie on the same consol. But remaking GTA5 and such for new consols... thats of no consequence to me but if they want to do it then why not... not like it prevent them from working over other stuff.. And for the huge fans, thats another achievement run.. so why not.

Personally i love remakes of old games tough, i would love some title to be remade from the old era, games that look too old now to fully enjoy and aged badly... Or sometimes even just a re-release on live arcade is satisfying....


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Comment #36 by oxy71
Wednesday, July 30, 2014 @ 09:29:21 AM
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I am looking foward to mass effect trilogy remaster. I know its not announced yet but im hoping. Really loved that series and if i could drop hundreds of hours back into it and make new GS, oh yeah a day 1 purchase for me. I am getting metro redux, great games!


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Comment #37 by captnWOOPYpants
Saturday, August 02, 2014 @ 03:10:54 PM
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@9 i'm 20 y/o and I classify led zepplin and other music before my time as old school or retro.


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Comment #38 by Oversig
Sunday, August 03, 2014 @ 03:28:45 AM
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ITS A COPOUT NOT TO MAKE GAMES WITH THE VERY BEST GRAPHICS, RESOLUTION & FRAMES PER SECOND THAT IT CAN BE ON ITS INTENDED PLATFORM!

Accept nothing less this gen.
The gaming industry is a Multi-Billion dollar behemoth that only an idiot would think developers would lose money by making AAA titles that are made at the highest possible standard of graphics, resolution & frames per second possible.

Indie games are cheaper with less time & development.
AAA Titles should offer the highest possible grade throughout or it's not worth the sixty plus dollar price period!!!


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Comment #39 by Mister Spraggsy
Sunday, August 03, 2014 @ 08:21:41 PM
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I don't mind re releases because I like having all my games on one system. It's also my choice if I want to buy them, no one is making me buy them.


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Comment #40 by the action frampton
Tuesday, August 05, 2014 @ 12:03:28 PM
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I disagree with almost all of this article. #5 has it spot on.

I love old games, and if there is a really great game that I love and haven't played for a while (Halo 2), then I'm going to buy it if it releases on the newest console.

These are classic games being 'remastered' here, not shit ones. If they tell me they are going to bring out a remastered Hanna Montana game, then start to worry.


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Comment #41 by RDrules
Tuesday, August 05, 2014 @ 02:12:12 PM
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@25 id have to disagree that this is anything different to how we think about movies or music, the word itself "retro" isnt so much used to classify these media types into 2 separate entities but "classic" is, we always have 2 distinct types for old and new forms of media and will always have people clinging to the nostalgia that comes from the older forms.

music especially is actually worse for this than games are, it gets split down in such a way that each decade stands as its own entity and you have classic music and modern music and modern bands cover the classic songs, you could hear all the same arguments there but from a much more fractured set of values.


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Comment #42 by Mobius Evalon
Thursday, August 07, 2014 @ 11:55:49 AM
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I'm with the article writer on this. A game that just gets a new paint job slapped on it and resold is a lazy copout cash-grab and anybody who buys them should feel ashamed of themselves. You're buying the game you already purchased and somehow you've been bamboozled into thinking that's a good thing. A remake that actually adds content, refines gameplay, or shifts things around is always a welcome addition (and I don't mean just sticking the DLC on the disc, or adding one completely inconsequential extra mission, or something else equally as lazy.)

Game development has bloated to such unreasonable proportions that several million sold copies is considered a failure. Stop supporting their stupidness by re-buying lazy re-skins or re-releases of a game you already bought two years ago.


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Comment #43 by Tim 13
Friday, August 08, 2014 @ 02:35:03 AM
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This article gave me a headache. I'm a proofreader, why in the name of fuck can't I find a fucking job?


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Comment #44 by Nicholas x
Friday, August 08, 2014 @ 01:38:50 PM
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because you ent looking i bet. remastered YES, the remastered fable was sick & im sure i'll love the new resident evel 2. remaking classics can only be a good thing for gaming as good singleplayer games are like a good book or film, you will go back & relive it again. Any shit ones i won't be buying


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Comment #45 by jleek1992xx
Saturday, August 09, 2014 @ 01:56:33 PM
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I only Completed Silent Hill 2 on HD and I Completed RE4 HD and RECV HD and they are Classic's. (:


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Comment #46 by Grummy
Saturday, August 09, 2014 @ 08:08:27 PM
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@25, You've contradicted yourself there a bit mate. You say no other media demonstrably separates new from old and yet, actually highlight when 'Golden Age' of Hollywood represents, which by any measure is 'old'. They may not call it old, but things are either Golden Age or not, this isn't like DC comics with its Golden Age, Silver Age, Iron Age, Stone Age and whatever other ages they use to actively identify new generations.

If anything, the film industry does it more often than the games industry as we like to often talk about gaming generations 'last gen, next gen, current gen'. Those titles are moving, they don't represent a specific generation or time frame, but they're a constant discussion of 3 generations in gaming. You could argue then that gaming has 4 active labels, last/next/current gen and retro, but even that isn't entirely true. Retro doesn't cover everything pre-last gen, I don't know of anyone who considers the PS2/Xbox generation as retro, generally retro seems to indicate pre-3D rendering. 16 bit consoles and previous. That is the crux of the issue though, 'retro' isn't an official label that is specific to anything, it's a widely used label that is different for each person and the people who tend to use it are those who do so fondly. Regardless of when it represents, those of us who like to talk about retro do so because they're the games of OUR past, the games we enjoyed 'back in the day'. Retro is a label of respect and love, of good memories, not one that dismisses and forgets the past. To those people who don't care, they're not 'retro', as that signifies something worth revisiting, they're just old and outdated. If anything, I would say the retro label is a constant reminder of the greatness of the past, the earlier years of the gaming industry, the history, the foundation that brought us to where we are today.


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Comment #47 by X KNIGHTBREED X
Sunday, August 10, 2014 @ 10:30:49 AM
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In my opinion there should be a nonwriten law that should say that not only games but also movies cant be re-made within 10 year' s of it's releasedate.. That would solve the problem we see today and give us better entertainment and ip's..

But that's just my opinion


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Comment #48 by wbs 101
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 01:18:48 AM
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I just posted an idea on MS's feedback website to add a section to the Xbox One that allows gamers to vote on which Xbox Originals and 360 games they would like to see get a reboot. If there is any old game you would like to see updated for the Xbox One please vote and share my idea.

http://xbox.uservoice.com/forums/251647-gaming-achievements/suggestions/6288984-allow-us-to-vote-on-which-games-get-an-hd-remake


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Comment #49 by wellssh
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 02:55:29 AM
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I like the remastered games. I have limited space and so I do not keep old consoles. The very best games that get re-made are great because I have them on my Xbox One.


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Comment #50 by Dourden3366
Wednesday, August 13, 2014 @ 12:41:14 PM
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i NEVER buy a game new. why would you. if you wait a year or two then you can get the "ultimate" versions with all the DLC's for about 1/2 to 1/3 the price of the new no DLC game when it came out.

also with the games with gold it really makes it cheap, HOWEVER my problem with games with gold is that you have no hard copy of the game to sell for ridiculous amounts of money in 20 years when everyone gets all nostalgic for their youth.


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Comment #51 by Johje Bueas
Thursday, August 14, 2014 @ 12:52:26 AM
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I am very much looking forward to Metro Redux and would gladly buy the Bioshock Trilogy if it were to be "remade" on XBone.


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Comment #52 by a44Special
Saturday, August 16, 2014 @ 07:46:06 AM
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@50 if you never buy a game brand new you always have to wait to experience greatness. So that would mean you don't own a thing on Xbox One and the last game you bought just recently would be GTA 5 since that was a year ago.

As for everyone else no one is forcing you to buy them. Some people will always buy remastered versions. Myself personally I will be getting the halo collection as 4 games for 60 bucks is a steal plus i never got the chance to play halo 2 when it came out. I'll skip metro and sleeping dogs, as well s gta.


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Comment #53 by three15
Monday, August 18, 2014 @ 04:55:05 PM
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Why spend money making new/original games when you can just keep churning out 5-10 year old games with a very slight enhancement? Problems is, Idiots keep buying them, so they'll keep making them.


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Comment #54 by TURBOWANDS
Friday, August 22, 2014 @ 04:11:23 AM
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Hmm interesting standpoint, me personally I like the remasters it allows me to play an old favorite of mine or a game that I may not have had the chance to play. Not everyone keeps their consoles forever and some even didn't have one to begin with. It's not like anyone is forcing you to buy the remastered game anyways, a large amount of the remasters were demanded by fans to begin with. That said I can't wait for The Master Chief Collection!!!


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Comment #55 by MAJIN BOOSH
Friday, August 29, 2014 @ 01:57:07 PM
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who wouldn't love to see the original Knights of the Old Republic remade with modern xbox one graphics??


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Comment #56 by shakenotstirred
Friday, August 29, 2014 @ 08:42:11 PM
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IMO: More GamerScore? Fine by me :P


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Comment #57 by Sertoria
Sunday, August 31, 2014 @ 08:34:55 PM
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There are lots of games that I either haven't had the chance to play yet, or that I have played and really loved, that I'd relish getting the chance to replay them having been updated to fit newer consoles. It also gives other people a chance at it as well, if they're new gamers and haven't owned the older console that they were originally made for, and remasters often contain DLC and expansion packs grouped in with the deals, too.

Besides, graphics are impressive to look at, and imo I really appreciated buying the remastered versions of classics such as FF: Tactics, Tactics Ogre: LUCT, and FFX/FFX-2 HD, because it gave me a chance to relive those games with the same excitement but with better visuals. The originals are great as well, sure! But it's not a crime to be willing to spend money to look at something you love being given a new shine to it.

Having said all this, though, I do admit that releasing Last of Us onto PS4 with the remaster tagline is a bit obnoxious, considering it only came out very, very recently. I won't begrudge anybody who buys it, though, but I do wonder if this is setting a bad trend.

At the end of the day, games are there to be enjoyed. If people enjoy the remasters, more power to them. Not to mention the opportunities it gives for achievement/trophy-whoring. I love that, too.

tbh, this all reeks of hysteria. I'd say the push for deadlines and demand for quicker and more frequent releases and attempt at pandering to the AAA gaming trends is harming the industry's creativity more than releasing remasters is. I know that EA forced Bioware to scrap their original Mass Effect scripts because they thought it would be too complicated for the average gamer, and that's nothing to do with remastering.


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Comment #58 by RM20
Sunday, August 31, 2014 @ 11:36:22 PM
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I do like the idea of the prettier, shinier versions of games we love, but it feels like this generation of consoles is being filled with games we have probably already played a few years ago. I didn't initially mind at first seeing some remastered versions of last gen games, but it feels like more and more games are getting the "Definitive Edition" or "Remastered" treatment that were from last gen and it is now somewhat bothering me just because to me it feels somewhat lazy or just wanting a quick cash grab at the very beginning. I wouldn't be so annoyed about this if they spread all of the re-releases out further. This gen is not even a year old yet, so I can understand that maybe some of it is trying to get a grasp of how this new console hardware works, but overall I am not too pleased with how next gen is looking in terms of remakes.


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Comment #59 by zr122
Wednesday, September 03, 2014 @ 12:58:02 AM
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While the thoughts represented in this article are interesting, I kept getting hung up on all the grammatical errors. This is supposed to be a news site. It's been around for at least, what, eight years? There has to be a higher standard for the quality of these articles. Did no one proofread this?

Of course, there should never be an opinion piece on a news site. There is no "news" in this article.


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Comment #60 by TheSilvermaster
Wednesday, September 10, 2014 @ 08:50:11 PM
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I really don't see the issue here if you are a person who finds the concept HD Remakes or Ultimate Editions or Game of the Editions offensive then here is a very complicated solution don't buy them. I am always for a good remaster especially if it is one of significant age like 8 to 10 years or older or if its a game that has been say a PC exclusive until now like the original Crysis I loved the 2011 console port of Crysis 1 it was great something I never would have experienced otherwise. I am not saying every game should get a remaster but some definitely should Halo 2 Anniversary in the Master Chief collection is a prime example. I was still playing Nintendo gamecube when Halo 2 was released was still playing it after Halo 2 and the Original xbox servers where shutdown. I bought an xbox 360 and Halo 3 in 2008 and thus have never ever experienced Halo 2's legendary multiplayer something I am more than just a little excited for this November and think how many people out there just like me who either where not into Halo at the time or because many other reasons never got to experience it well now we can thanks to an HD collection. I love Game of the Year editions just picked up Borderlands 2 Game of the Year Collection over 100 dollars of bonus content plus thegame for 40 bucks not only is that a great offering its also a steal rather than paying 60 bucks for the game when it was new and then another 20 or 30 bucks for the season pass I got it all except for the newest DLC for 40 bucks what a bargain!!! I am mostly an advocate of PS2, Original Xbox, and PC exclusives getting HD remakes but if they want to make say a Dead Space trilogy collection for Xbox One/PS4 who is to say that is a bad idea? Some games really need HD remasters like Return to Castle Wolfenstein, the pc Mod Black Mesa needs a console release (which by the way soon it will cease to be mod as Black Mesa is being remade with the Source 2 engine and given a retail release on Steam for money which means it could become available in store someday who knows though), and maybe a Timesplitters HD collection is in order and I am sure there are many other examples I am not thinking of. Point is HD remakes or remasters are a great way to experience an older game that maybe was in some way or another out of your reach when it was new...


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Comment #61 by 2Chalupas
Thursday, September 11, 2014 @ 02:53:50 PM
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Interesting fact: Charlie Chaplin actually provided new soundtracks and voiceovers for many of his silent features - so I guess he could imagine that. ;)


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Comment #62 by tasteslikepain
Friday, September 19, 2014 @ 06:13:55 AM
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Saying that you don't think old games should come to new consoles is essentially the same as saying that The Lion King Shouldn't be available on DVD, or the Beatles shouldn't be available on cassette.


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Comment #63 by powerlesscheese
Friday, September 19, 2014 @ 05:57:22 PM
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da fuck?! i just buy them to stack achievements


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