Achievement Discussion - 16th June 08

Achievement Discussion - 16th June 08

Written Monday, June 16, 2008 By Dan Webb
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Welcome to the first in a new series of a weekly features we like to call “Achievement Discussion”. Those who know their way around the forums will realise it’s a long standing tradition to call the thread regarding discussion of achievements in each game forum, the “Achievement Discussion” thread. Yes, the staff were at their most creative when they came up with that. That being said, the point of discussion of this feature will be anything achievement related. So long as it has that magic "achievement" word in it, we’ll let it fly. We’ll start by looking in detail at the week’s achievement lists and we’ll also discuss any talking points that have cropped up in the achievement world during that week. Whether it be someone in the community hitting a substantial milestone or something like that, it all goes. I’m literally open to suggestions, so if you have any that you think would make a decent topic, fire me an e-mail (dan.webb [a] I’m not sure what day this will drop on a weekly basis yet, but we’ll keep going with it and see where it eventually falls. As is, we're leaning toward Sunday so then the weekend surfers can take a butchers and the Monday morning “Don’t want to be at work today” crew can take a peek while they have their morning coffees. Anyway, without further ado, we’ll get started.

Being as this is the first one, I wasn’t entirely sure where to start... I certainly wasn’t going to go back to December 05 and go through every list; by the time I was finished the next Xbox would have released!! So, I thought, we’ll roll back the clocks to a list that certainly took my attention just over a week ago, namely Star Wars: The Force Unleashed.
It seems to me as if this was a rushed set of achievements. The pictures are scatty and the achievements are fairly generic. "Complete this", "kill a 100 of this with this skill", and so on. No clever names, nor any fancy achievements either, but hey, you’ll be happy to know we’ll be searching the galaxy for every last little “Jedi holocron”. *sigh* Another developer that forces [Pun intended! Go me!] us to search every nook and cranny in yet another fetch quest masquerading as quality gameplay. All in all, a pretty disappointing list for a title that is surely going to rock. I suppose, to add insult to injury, the difficullty achievements will end up not stacking forcing players to play the game 4 times! Oh yes, developers STILL make that mistake. *shock horror*

Two lists that didn’t quite wow me this week were the Space Chimps and Supreme Commander lists. I hate to say it though, but with Brash creating and publishing Space Chimps and knowing the rep of their last game, Jumper, I didn't expect much. Take note, the lists do have their resemblances.
The list that did however please me this week was the Guitar Hero: Aerosmith one. Maybe the little jibe at the Guitar Hero 3 list in the Achievement Awards made an impact? Am I being cynical? Maybe, but we can all hope that the message gets across sometimes. Goodbye to those god-awful controller achievements and lefty flip achievements [well, unless they are one of the 16 secret achievements, then I’ll retract this praise at a later date]. Hell, they may have even stacked the achievements, or am I expecting a bit too much there? The point is though that the list certainly looks more enjoyable and workable for those who love the whole instrument genre.

To finish up this week’s focus, I’m going to discuss two lists, both covering the same event and will effectively be pretty much the same game. On the one hand, we have a great example of a what to do when creating achievements and on the other hand, we have an absolutely shocking list.
The Good: Beijing 2008
The Bad: Summer Athletics
The Beijing 2008 list looks to be fair whilst quite challenging, giving gamers something to aim for. It appears that the times and distances we'll be expected to beat for the achievements are close to the actual world record that's held in each event.  Aaron Peirsol of  the USA set the 100m backstroke world record on 27 March 2007 with a time of 52.98; the achievement asks that you get a time under 53.10 seconds. Another example is the 1500m long distance running achievement, which requires you to beat a time of 3 minute 26 seconds for it to be unlocked which is currently the world record as was set by Hicham El Guerrouj on 14 Jul 1998 in Rome, Italy. So all in all, the achievements require you to set new real-world records and the list shows a clear amount of skill, effort and research has been put in to it. Kudos to Eurocom and SEGA.

Now contrast that with Summer Athletics which require you to create a male and female character for a point each *yawn* Yes, I did say 1 point. Damn uneven achievement values again! The game has 8 individual 1 pointers which "reward" [I use that term loosely] gamers for false starts, getting a timeout [whatever that is] and knocking over 5 hurdles in a 110m metre race. Do I need to say anything else on that matter? It speaks for itself. The game has 4 100 point achievements which are rewarded for “original” things like maxing out your skills and winning all competitions.

In the battle of the two lists, I’m fairly sure  it's quite easy to tell which one is the overall winner. We’ll be sending a cookie out to SEGA and Eurocom tomorrow while ordering dtp and 49 Games to go stand in the corner, to just think about what they’ve done. Naughty boys!

On a lighter note, in some community related news, I did notice Deathisland hit his 100,000 gamerscore this week [on the button as well], so congrats go out to Quebec’s number 2 gamerscore whore.
That’ll be it for this week, but to see us out, turn on a slow song [can I suggest “Everybody Hurts” by REM] and check out our favourite and most detested achievements of the week. Till next week.



I Don't Want to Miss a Thing                                                                          30

Earn a gold star rating on a song on Medium or harder difficulty (Local only)

Perfect achievement. Attainable with practice and available to the vast majority of people through hard work and commitment. Fantastically appropriate name as well. Top marks.


STAGGERING                                                                                                        1

Knock over five hurdles in a 110m Hurdles race in single player.

Why, oh why, oh why? Not only is it a ridiculous point value to put on 1 achievement, but it's hardly an "achievement" in the classic sense of the word. Tut tut.


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Comment #1 by SengIV
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 06:44:24 PM
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This was a great idea. Gives me something to read now when online. 10/10

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Comment #2 by Blind x360a
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 06:46:01 PM
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Firsttttt jk. :)

I agree with the first but there could have been a worse achieve. :)

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Comment #3 by steelefan15
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 06:48:11 PM
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totaly agree
Aerosmith FTW!

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Comment #4 by TheColdWolf
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 06:50:38 PM
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Great idea and agree that Areosmith's list is better than starwars's list achievements. If they hope to make KOTOR 3(Rummor) then they better have a list of achievements that are good and not to force you to find anything list Assassin's Creed

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Comment #5 by JC
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:12:30 PM
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Cool, nice idea webb!

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Comment #6 by Godge
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:16:12 PM
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Great idea! And I agree with both of those fine selections.

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Comment #7 by OMGIZZLEZ
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:24:03 PM
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I agree, this is a great idea.

And hurray for GuitarHero Aerosmith! Err....the achievements that is... XD

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Comment #8 by mackin1978
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:25:41 PM
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i didnt mind searching about in assassins creed, was an extremely detailed world to run about in. as for the two listed achievements i agree with the first one, that is a good name for an achievement. but wouldnt a more pointless one be on guitar hero 3, the "Tail Between Your Legs" where you get nil points for it??

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Comment #9 by boofarama
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:26:54 PM
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this is really kool nice job guys 10/10

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Comment #10 by TWD_Zombie
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:32:29 PM
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I like this, keep this going.

Also yes the hurdles achievement is just plain lame.

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Comment #11 by Tasty Ace
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:38:03 PM
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loved this, its a great addition and exactly what an achievement siteshould have.

if your podcast ever airs again, it should have something like this,cause it would be awesome!

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Comment #12 by tooFACEkiller69
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 07:52:54 PM
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Comment #13 by mentaljason
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 08:32:18 PM
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Collection achievements are awesome dont complain about em
And too comment above me, just cuz you suck at guitar hero doesnt mean it sucks ;)

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Comment #14 by discord
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 08:56:12 PM
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i agree as well, this achievement discussion idea rocks

while we are on the topic, the best achievement i have seen in the last few months is the Lego Indiana Jones one. Not because they are original or anything mind blowing but for using actual quotes and memorable ones at that for each achievement. Also kudos to Travelers Tales for getting rid of complete each level without dying.

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Comment #15 by Perfectionist66
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 09:05:25 PM
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good idea. toofacekillers comment bugs me though lol. its all in caps and yes, I do play real guitar, and yes, I think guitar hero is cool. Does that mean I am a hypocrite?

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Comment #16 by Hammer 5O2
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 09:09:51 PM
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i think to face is trying to make some point about something buy he doesnt even know what it is yet lol

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Comment #17 by narcolepticshee
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 09:17:22 PM
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Was a bit pessimistic when I first saw the new feature but I have to say what a great read it was!

Well done x360a!


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Comment #18 by Parkerktm
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 09:22:35 PM
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Great Idea Guys, Hopefully whoever thought of this gets 2 idea rewards

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Comment #19 by BootlegWarrior6
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 09:55:33 PM
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i play guitar, and have for a long time. i also love playing guitar hero and rock band. so just because YOU SUCK at guitar hero it doesnt give you the right to bash it. please dont comment that "THIS GAME SUCKS", it gets old. i really cant stand it.

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Comment #20 by psymunn
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 10:08:00 PM
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yeah, the 'i don't want to miss a thing' achievement struck me as very clever and reasonable, while still being an 'achievement.' way better than 'play every song on a tuesday while doing a hand stand.'


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Comment #21 by INSANEKID13
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 10:08:48 PM
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great addition guys yet another reason this site rocks

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Comment #22 by odysseus123
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 10:13:21 PM
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Wow, nice job. I think I'll be enjoying this. Is anyone else going to be doing these? Anyway my only little pet peeve is this statement "...looks to be quite challenging but with something for gamers to attempt to achieve." It just seems like you have a tendency to be a little contradictory sometimes, but all in all this was a good idea.

I was really surprised at the currently revealed Aerosmith achievements. I just might rent it if the secret ones are like the others.

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Comment #23 by Webb [STAFF]
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 11:09:44 PM
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@ Odysseus - Fixed that sentence. Was a little fragmented and confusing.

Not sure anyone else will do them. Wanting to get rid of me already :P

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Comment #24 by BootlegWarrior6
Monday, June 16, 2008 @ 11:17:22 PM
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i play guitar, and have for a long time. i also love playing guitar hero and rock band. so just because YOU SUCK at guitar hero it doesnt give you the right to bash it. please dont comment that "THIS GAME SUCKS", it gets old. i really cant stand it.

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Comment #25 by Pmptendo
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 12:35:32 AM
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This Should be a pretty Boss Idea, I'm Diggin it already.
Love the Cheers and Jeers section, Huzzah to Aerosmith :)

and Honestly why all the Guitar Hero Bashing (Aka : It sucks learn to play a Real Guitar. ) if thats the case then we should throw away all games, don't play a sports game.. go out catch a real ball. Don't play racing games.. Go drive ur own car into a Wall. Don't play FPS's.... Go shoot your friends for Real. I say Jeers to those of you out there that say such things.

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Comment #26 by EricDC
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 01:18:09 AM
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Great idea!

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Comment #27 by -ToXiN-
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 06:39:04 AM
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I think this is a great effort, heh, this is perfect extra editorial content for a site like this and all of us achievement hunters :)

The Summer Athletics list is indeed one of the worst Ive seen. Not like anyone is actually gonna play that, though...

As for the Force Unleashed difficulty achievements not being stackable, that SUCKS bigtime. I usually play my games on harder difficulty right away, so this is basically gonna force 4 plays, a few on easier levels that will probably be rather un-entertaining and easy... I was planning to rent it, but if they dont stack, that sucks, it may definietley make afew of the hardcore achievement heads buy instead of rent... Well see, hope its not true, though it looks like its gonna be a bit of a dissapointment already. All te focus seems on t

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Comment #28 by -ToXiN-
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 06:43:54 AM
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All the focus seems on the Wii version (which is great, i guess, finally THE lightsaber game weve all been waitng for, but on the other hand, bad for the 360/PS3 versions... No online, what the hell?).

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Comment #29 by RadioactiveT
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 07:22:20 AM
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this was an excellent read.

will definitely be lookin forward to sundays now

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Comment #30 by Almighty Tubsta
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 09:26:44 AM
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Great show, Dan!

I like the more difficult achievements, because it shows that you have actually achieved something, as opposed to creating a character or flicking a switch.

Oh and I can't stand those pointless negative achievements either.

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Comment #31 by clankyyoda
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 09:38:44 AM
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I like this idea and im up for harder to get get achievements that cant be boosted it seems at mo achievements are getting real dull and repeated. good achievements can add to the longivity to a game esp online which would boost there sales I really wish they would get rid of collecting achievements as the only game that was fun enough to actually look for anything is crackdown as most other games you really have had enough of playing the game let alone having the time to find stuff when there is so many other games you could be playing

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Comment #32 by barbour99
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 09:43:12 AM
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great idea - enjoyed the read...

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Comment #33 by richs180
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 10:42:06 AM
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Very good. Looking forward to GH:Aerosmith more than I was but still a little concerned about those secret achievements.

Keep up the good work Webby.

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Comment #34 by Screwface89
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 10:52:08 AM
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Personally i will not be bothering with any of the games mentioned this week, however this is a brilliant idea to summarise all the recent achievements within a week.

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Comment #35 by Jonman
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 01:44:49 PM
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Good, so they've fixed one of the sucky things with Guitar Hero. Now if they only sort out their instrument compatability, then it might be a viable purchase again.

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Comment #36 by Webb [STAFF]
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 03:20:38 PM
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@ Toxin - I didn't say the achievement difficulties for SW:TFU weren't stacked, I was just saying that if they weren't it would rub salt in to the wound.

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Comment #37 by boringyanks
Tuesday, June 17, 2008 @ 08:15:21 PM
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This is awesome, i will be part of the Monday crew reading the reviews. I love your guys web site I am here checking and reading achievements all the time, keep up the good work fellas...long live achievments!!!!

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Comment #38 by SKIBADABOMSKI
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 @ 01:08:23 AM
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How much can a grizzly bear !!!

Love this idea and this site........

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Comment #39 by Papageorgiou G
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 @ 06:31:00 AM
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Comment #40 by mjc0961
Wednesday, June 18, 2008 @ 11:21:01 AM
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Yes, you may suggest R.E.M.. In fact, I happen to have that song right here. And I think I'll need it if I get whatever pathetic game has that one GS point achievement in it.

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Comment #41 by manieldoran
Saturday, June 21, 2008 @ 06:29:43 PM
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Enjoyed reading it Webb. Thanks for swaying me towards having a look at Beijing, as I was on the fence ;)

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Comment #42 by timaart
Tuesday, June 24, 2008 @ 10:54:44 AM
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everybody like achievements but achievement junks like me do much to get even an achievement for 1 GS otherwise you could never get al 1000/1000 or 1250/1250

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Comment #43 by MakoBallistic
Thursday, January 08, 2009 @ 06:43:43 PM
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im tempted to rent summer ass-letic's just to even my gamerscore back out after i was dumb enough to play luxor...

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